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    From 753815@pdsb.net@21:1/5 to Surya Ramaswami on Sun Mar 15 12:20:49 2020
    On Thursday, January 13, 2005 at 7:03:00 PM UTC-5, Surya Ramaswami wrote:
    Friends:

    Can someone please help me with this simple question?

    In Carnatic music, we learn first the very basic notes: Typically in
    raag Mayamalavagowla " Sa Ri Ga Ma Pa Da Ni Sa - Sa Ni Da Pa Ma Ga Ri
    Sa" Arohanam and avarohanam.

    Can you please translate this swaram to Western Music notes, so that I
    can give it to my friend who wants to play it on the piano? I can play
    Sa ri Ga ma on the piano but I don't know how to translate it and write
    it in Western Music notes.

    I'll greatly appreciate any help on this.
    Thank you very very much.

    Surya

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  • From mulherkarst@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 13 11:07:37 2020
    Hindustani and Carnatic are same. It is same as 'G minor', 'E flat', etc. It is not just waste, unless you are unaware about it.

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  • From savvysubu@21:1/5 to John Wright on Tue Jul 14 21:03:13 2020
    On Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 8:33:11 AM UTC-5, John Wright wrote:
    Does anyone know the history behind the origin of the terms "Shuddha" & "Komal" in Hindusthani, and "Shuddha", "Sadharana", "Anthara" etc. in Carnatic?

    Both systems in my view introduced unnecessary complexity when they named their swaras centuries ago. Discussions between musicians or music lovers of the two systems inevitably leads to mighty confusion when they discuss the swaras in a raga - without sometimes realising for example that Shuddha Ga in Carnatic is the Hindusthani Shuddha Re.

    Regards - JW

    The answer to why there is a difference between hindustani and carnatic is complex, but if you just want to treat it like alphabets, and not question why c after b, then it is easier to follow.

    In hindustani system, the equivalent of major scale or 'shankarabharanam' of carnatic is the "shuddha variants of notes". So each of those notes are shuddha variety of "Re Ga, etc". Further, life is simpler with only two variants for Re Ga Ma Dha Ni, so
    the terms "komal" (lower) and "tivra" (higher) can define the notes.

    In carnatic, the term shuddha does not align with the hindustani definition of shuddha and that is the source of confusion.. So my suggestion is do not try to get what "shuddha dhaivata means", but just get used to what it is called in different systems,
    which you mostly relate to as "featured in some raga"..

    Subu

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