• Roland D-10/D-110 failures: here's a solution...

    From iwosret@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 24 03:11:08 2019
    What a gem!
    Dug out my old D10 for my son and had the same issue with the display characters messed up followed by high pitch squealing out from the audio. Checked the power rails for +/- 12v and 5v all ok. gave the main CPU a push in and bingo.

    I wouldn't advise putting paper under the chip to raise it as it would then have the tendency to work it's way out with heat expansion over time and fail again (especially when you don't want it too) The socket is designed to snap it into place to
    prevent movement. I suggest only cleaning the socket pins and gently cleaning the chip pins with contact cleaner drying before replacement. Even the process of removing and re-fitting should scratch and light corrosion off the contacts.

    Thanks for your help on diagnosing the problem and others confirming from Roland the same issue (may change socket for gold plated if it reoccurs)

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  • From iwosret@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 24 03:17:10 2019
    What a gem!
    Dug out my old D10 for my son and had the same issue with the display characters messed up followed by high pitch squealing out from the audio. Checked the power rails for +/- 12v and 5v all ok. gave the main CPU a push in and bingo.

    I wouldn't advise putting paper under the chip to raise it as it would then have the tendency to work it's way out with heat expansion over time and fail again (especially when you don't want it too) The socket is designed to snap it into place to
    prevent movement. I suggest only cleaning the socket pins and gently cleaning the chip pins with contact cleaner drying before replacement. Even the process of removing and re-fitting should scratch any light corrosion off the contacts.

    Thanks for your help on diagnosing the problem and others confirming from Roland the same issue (may change socket for gold plated contacts if it reoccurs)

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  • From P_ Owl@21:1/5 to Paul Joannis on Sat Aug 21 09:36:26 2021
    On Thursday, May 7, 1998 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-4, Paul Joannis wrote:
    A few months ago, someone posted an article concerning a
    failure on a D-10 or D-110 from Roland. I posted back saying I
    had experienced the same failure intermittently myself, and
    had to reset the unit to get it to work. Well, now the failure
    is constant, and I was able to fiddle a little bit with the
    keyboard to get it to work properly.
    First, the failure: Upon turning the unit on, you always see
    the upper row on the display light up, and after a second it
    comes up 'Roland D-10 Linear Synthesizer'. When the failure
    occurs, the upper row stays lit, and the message never
    appears. This is sometimes accompanied by a deafening white
    noise out of the analog outputs, as if all synth voices were
    putting out garbage at the same time.
    As I had previously posted, I suspected the problem to be
    related to the central processing circuit. When you turn the
    keyboard on, the program that's burned in the eproms and runs
    the whole show makes (among other things) that little message
    appear. If that doesn't happen, then the processing doesn't
    happen. This is not an audio failure, even if the noise comes
    out (it is probably just the way the signal generators react
    when the unit is not booting up properly).
    So, when mine began doing so permanently, I opened it up.
    First, I checked the battery, 3.22 volts, fine. Then, I
    cleaned out the dust and the components with standard head and
    contact cleaner (Radio Shack, 8 bucks a can). Then I looked at
    the main processor. It is a square chip (about one inch
    square) on a black socket, Intel 80 series microcontroller. I
    recognized this kind of socket, since my company used to use
    them in some of our assemblies, and here's the problem with
    them: these are 'Surface Mount' components, and that
    particular socket makes a poor contact when the chip is
    pressed all the way in. Looking at the chip in profile, the
    contact is sort of like this :
    chip pin -> _( <- contact on socket
    When the chip is inserted all the way down, the pin makes a
    poor contact on the bottom of the socket. By placing a small
    piece of paper under the chip (either an ordinary piece of
    paper folded 4-6 times, or a piece of cereal box cardboard or
    two), you get something like this:
    chip pin -> -( <- contact on socket
    It's hard to explain on the internet, but all I can say is
    I've seen this before on other circuits, and it works.
    Carefully remove the chip form the socket by gently lifting it
    out corner by corner with a small jeweller's screwdriver. Note
    orientation (put it in backwards and you've just blown up your
    unit!!! - one of the corners of the chip is cut off a bit, and
    it is the same on the socket. Match them up!!!). Clean off
    pins and socket with contact cleaner and toothbrush. If you
    can connect your body to a building ground while you do this,
    you will avoid electro-static damage. Place small cardboard or
    folded paper inside socket, and insert chip in (with correct
    orientation!!!) and snap into place. Make sure carboard is not
    to thick, as chip will tend to pop out and you will have the
    same problem.
    It is possible that cleaning alone can alleviate this problem,
    no need for the cardboard. However, just for good measure, I
    also removed the two software eproms. These are DIP types,
    side by side, with pins pointing down and a Roland Label on
    them, a little over an inch long and 1/2 inch wide - just
    remove carefully (note orientation!) by lifting on either side
    with a small screwdriver, clean off socket and pins as above,
    and reinsert carefully, noting orientation and not bending any
    pins underneath - that would cause a similar problem again. If
    any pins on the microcontroller that runs the program or the
    eproms that contain the program aren't connecting, then the
    synth will never boot up and diplay the message.
    A faulty power supply might also cause this (not enough power
    to the CMOS circuit will cause them not to work - as little as
    a quarter of a volt DC can do this) but this is unlikely -
    Roland stuff usually have good power supplies.
    I can't garantee this is the perfect solution, nor do I
    pretend to know everything. All I can say is, before I did
    this, mine never worked, and since I've done this, it always
    works fine. Maybe it just needed a good cleaning, but whatever
    does the trick...
    --
    I've been looking for a solution to this for weeks! Thank you so much!

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