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  • Re: Mazeppa without heels

    From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Thu Mar 16 03:20:54 2023
    On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 11:15:22 UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:

    Why don't you listen to France Clidat ?!?
    dk
    Because her left hand figures are somewhen blurred and they need to be as distinct as possible to make sense of the piece.

    I think this is a ridiculous piece in the first place. The only way to rescue it from a plodding metronomic RH melody is to somehow inject some kind of lyricism into the melody. This is something that most pianists fail to do and who can blame them.

    Probably Berman comes closer than others, but it's a silly piece anyway so who cares. It would take a genius with magic hands to make it work. Maybe Liszt could do it but who knows.....

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Thu Mar 16 03:40:02 2023
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 3:20:56 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
    On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 11:15:22 UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:

    Why don't you listen to France Clidat ?!?

    Because her left hand figures are somewhen blurred and
    they need to be as distinct as possible to make sense of
    the piece.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw

    I think this is a ridiculous piece in the first place.

    Many Liszt works are "ridiculous".

    The only way to rescue it from a plodding metronomic
    RH melody is to somehow inject some kind of lyricism
    into the melody. This is something that most pianists
    fail to do and who can blame them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw

    Probably Berman comes closer than others, but it's a silly
    piece anyway so who cares. It would take a genius with
    magic hands to make it work. Maybe Liszt could do it
    but who knows.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Thu Mar 16 03:42:46 2023
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 3:40:05 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 3:20:56 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
    On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 11:15:22 UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:

    Why don't you listen to France Clidat ?!?

    Because her left hand figures are somewhen blurred and
    they need to be as distinct as possible to make sense of
    the piece.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw

    I think this is a ridiculous piece in the first place.

    Many Liszt works are "ridiculous".

    The only way to rescue it from a plodding metronomic
    RH melody is to somehow inject some kind of lyricism
    into the melody. This is something that most pianists
    fail to do and who can blame them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw

    Probably Berman comes closer than others, but it's a silly
    piece anyway so who cares. It would take a genius with
    magic hands to make it work. Maybe Liszt could do it
    but who knows.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw


    Also

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfkvDR87dZQ

    dk

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Thu Mar 16 04:45:55 2023
    On Thursday, 16 March 2023 at 10:42:49 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 3:40:05 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 3:20:56 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
    On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 11:15:22 UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:

    Why don't you listen to France Clidat ?!?

    Because her left hand figures are somewhen blurred and
    they need to be as distinct as possible to make sense of
    the piece.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw

    I think this is a ridiculous piece in the first place.

    Many Liszt works are "ridiculous".

    The only way to rescue it from a plodding metronomic
    RH melody is to somehow inject some kind of lyricism
    into the melody. This is something that most pianists
    fail to do and who can blame them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw

    Probably Berman comes closer than others, but it's a silly
    piece anyway so who cares. It would take a genius with
    magic hands to make it work. Maybe Liszt could do it
    but who knows.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw

    Also

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfkvDR87dZQ

    dk

    Ervin Nyíregyházi is good - I know that version. I'm not so keen on Cziffra here, though his LH figures are nice and clear. The melody is rather metronomic.

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  • From AB@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Thu Mar 16 10:44:36 2023
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 6:42:49 AM UTC-4, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 3:40:05 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 3:20:56 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
    On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 11:15:22 UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:

    Why don't you listen to France Clidat ?!?

    Because her left hand figures are somewhen blurred and
    they need to be as distinct as possible to make sense of
    the piece.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw

    I think this is a ridiculous piece in the first place.

    Many Liszt works are "ridiculous".

    The only way to rescue it from a plodding metronomic
    RH melody is to somehow inject some kind of lyricism
    into the melody. This is something that most pianists
    fail to do and who can blame them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw

    Probably Berman comes closer than others, but it's a silly
    piece anyway so who cares. It would take a genius with
    magic hands to make it work. Maybe Liszt could do it
    but who knows.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw

    Also

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfkvDR87dZQ

    dk

    wow- fabulous.
    AB

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 16 23:30:27 2023
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:44:39 AM UTC-7, AB wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 6:42:49 AM UTC-4, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 3:40:05 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 3:20:56 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
    On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 11:15:22 UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:

    Why don't you listen to France Clidat ?!?

    Because her left hand figures are somewhen blurred and
    they need to be as distinct as possible to make sense of
    the piece.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw

    I think this is a ridiculous piece in the first place.

    Many Liszt works are "ridiculous".

    The only way to rescue it from a plodding metronomic
    RH melody is to somehow inject some kind of lyricism
    into the melody. This is something that most pianists
    fail to do and who can blame them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw

    Probably Berman comes closer than others, but it's a silly
    piece anyway so who cares. It would take a genius with
    magic hands to make it work. Maybe Liszt could do it
    but who knows.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOqRn2KkADw

    Also

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfkvDR87dZQ

    wow- fabulous.

    Also of historical interest:

    Emil von Sauer:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHjU0aj7J_k

    Louis Kentner:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORjGkiHv3zE

    And some younger artists:

    Melodie Zhao:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZNhcRzJTO4

    Mei Rui:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GwvxdICK7s

    dk

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