• Re: Hyperion CD-R??

    From Jonathan Ben Schragadove@21:1/5 to Jonathan Ben Schragadove on Mon Mar 20 23:16:54 2023
    On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 9:51:50 PM UTC-8, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
    Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at Berkshire Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It was factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion
    keeping older titles "in print" these days by burning CD-R's?

    I’ve been bamboozled again…another Hyperion CD purchased from Berkshire Record Outlet turned out to be a CD-R…this time, the Hamelin Liszt Sonata (CDA67760) from 2010. The only retailer I’ve seen that actually identifies the product as a CD-R is
    HMV Japan (they also have a listing for the original CD). Haven’t listened to the entire disc yet, but the Bénédiction is stunning!!!

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  • From Jerry@21:1/5 to Jonathan Ben Schragadove on Tue Mar 21 05:06:20 2023
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 2:16:56 AM UTC-4, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 9:51:50 PM UTC-8, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
    Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at Berkshire Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It was factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion
    keeping older titles "in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
    I’ve been bamboozled again…another Hyperion CD purchased from Berkshire Record Outlet turned out to be a CD-R…this time, the Hamelin Liszt Sonata (CDA67760) from 2010. The only retailer I’ve seen that actually identifies the product as a CD-R
    is HMV Japan (they also have a listing for the original CD). Haven’t listened to the entire disc yet, but the Bénédiction is stunning!!!

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  • From Jerry@21:1/5 to Jonathan Ben Schragadove on Tue Mar 21 05:22:39 2023
    A Naxos March 2023 release purchased in the U.S. was a CD-R, the first of that type I’ve ever encountered from that label. I’ve written to Naxos but have not yet received an explanation.

    The major issue here, as JBS noted, is a lack of disclosure. Many purchasers, like a Brooklyn-based YouTube reviewer, don’t have an issue with CD-RsOn Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 2:16:56 AM UTC-4, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 9:51:50 PM UTC-8, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
    Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at Berkshire Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It was factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion
    keeping older titles "in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
    I’ve been bamboozled again…another Hyperion CD purchased from Berkshire Record Outlet turned out to be a CD-R…this time, the Hamelin Liszt Sonata (CDA67760) from 2010. The only retailer I’ve seen that actually identifies the product as a CD-R
    is HMV Japan (they also have a listing for the original CD). Haven’t listened to the entire disc yet, but the Bénédiction is stunning!!!

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  • From Pluted Pup@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 21 17:53:46 2023
    On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:21:43 -0800, Nstor Castiglione wrote:

    On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 10:43:28 AM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Frank Berger wrote:

    On 3/9/2022 9:30 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/9/2022 6:50 PM, Review by Jonathan wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:58:16 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 1/14/2022 1:22 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 5:05:35 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 1/12/2022 12:51 AM, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
    Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at Berkshire
    Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It was
    factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on
    glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion keeping older titles
    "in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
    Which CD was it? I have a lot of Hyperions from BRO and I'd like to
    check.
    York Bowen
    Piano Music
    Stephen Hough
    CDA66838

    One of Stephen Houghs best BTW - here the performer and composer are
    very well aligned!
    His British Album is also very fine.
    I'm going to order it. We'll see if it is a CD-R. Can you believe BRO has
    4 Hyperion all titled "York Bowen: Piano Music?" Reminds of the Bob Newhart Show where a guy introduce his brother Darryl and his other brother Darryl.

    A few more Hyperions and no other CD-Rs yet, thankfully. Frank, did your
    Bowen disc turn out to be a CD-R?

    I bought it, but forgot to look. Now I have to find it.

    Found it. It's a CD-R. Nowhere indicated. Bought it from Berkshire Record Outlet and their listing did not indicate it was a CD-R. Not their fault, they couldn't know. Like I said, this is not a hot button issue for me, but
    they really ought to indicate it. Discogs shows an original release in 1996
    and an undated re-release which is not dated. I bet the original was CD and
    the re-release CD-R.
    I should know this, and I think I once did: whata's the easiest way
    to tell? I want to check a few recent Hyperion purchases from BRO.
    TIA.
    --
    Al Eisner

    CD-Rs have a blue-greenish tint on the data side, whereas CDs typically are silver.

    My Joyce Hatto CD-Rs are clear, like the CD-Rs that I
    burn myself.

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  • From Pluted Pup@21:1/5 to Pluted Pup on Tue Mar 21 17:56:24 2023
    On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:53:46 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:21:43 -0800, Nstor Castiglione wrote:

    On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 10:43:28 AM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Frank Berger wrote:

    On 3/9/2022 9:30 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/9/2022 6:50 PM, Review by Jonathan wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:58:16 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 1/14/2022 1:22 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 5:05:35 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 1/12/2022 12:51 AM, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
    Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at Berkshire
    Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It was
    factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on
    glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion keeping older titles
    "in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
    Which CD was it? I have a lot of Hyperions from BRO and I'd like to
    check.
    York Bowen
    Piano Music
    Stephen Hough
    CDA66838

    One of Stephen Houghs best BTW - here the performer and composer are
    very well aligned!
    His British Album is also very fine.
    I'm going to order it. We'll see if it is a CD-R. Can you believe BRO has
    4 Hyperion all titled "York Bowen: Piano Music?" Reminds of the Bob
    Newhart Show where a guy introduce his brother Darryl and his other
    brother Darryl.

    A few more Hyperions and no other CD-Rs yet, thankfully. Frank, did your
    Bowen disc turn out to be a CD-R?

    I bought it, but forgot to look. Now I have to find it.

    Found it. It's a CD-R. Nowhere indicated. Bought it from Berkshire Record
    Outlet and their listing did not indicate it was a CD-R. Not their fault,
    they couldn't know. Like I said, this is not a hot button issue for me, but
    they really ought to indicate it. Discogs shows an original release in 1996
    and an undated re-release which is not dated. I bet the original was CD and
    the re-release CD-R.
    I should know this, and I think I once did: whata's the easiest way
    to tell? I want to check a few recent Hyperion purchases from BRO.
    TIA.
    --
    Al Eisner

    CD-Rs have a blue-greenish tint on the data side, whereas CDs typically are silver.

    My Joyce Hatto CD-Rs are clear, like the CD-Rs that I
    burn myself.

    I meant clear, as in silver like a pressed CD.

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  • From Pluted Pup@21:1/5 to Alan P Dawes on Tue Mar 21 17:51:19 2023
    On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 03:52:55 -0700, Alan P Dawes wrote:

    Google tells me that "a way to tell a CDR vs. a CD is to look at the side that plays. A CDR will have a demarcation line where the laser finished
    its writing. A real CD will not have this line since it is stamped from a glass-master." This seems to be true fro the CDs and CDRs I've just looked at.

    Many pressed CDs do have a visible line showing where the
    music stops, it's just not as visible.

    CD-Rs I've seen have serial numbers, including the CD-Rs
    in regular packaging, like with the Lyrita label.

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  • From Mikro Phonie@21:1/5 to Pluted Pup on Mon Mar 27 10:29:53 2023
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:53:46 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:21:43 -0800, Néstor Castiglione wrote:

    On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 10:43:28 AM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Frank Berger wrote:

    On 3/9/2022 9:30 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/9/2022 6:50 PM, Review by Jonathan wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:58:16 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 1/14/2022 1:22 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben
    Schragadove wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 5:05:35 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 1/12/2022 12:51 AM, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
    Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at Berkshire
    Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It was
    factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on
    glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion keeping older titles
    "in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
    Which CD was it? I have a lot of Hyperions from BRO and I'd like to
    check.
    York Bowen
    Piano Music
    Stephen Hough
    CDA66838

    One of Stephen Hough´s best BTW - here the performer and composer are
    very well aligned!
    His British Album is also very fine.
    I'm going to order it. We'll see if it is a CD-R. Can you believe BRO has
    4 Hyperion all titled "York Bowen: Piano Music?" Reminds of the Bob
    Newhart Show where a guy introduce his brother Darryl and his other
    brother Darryl.

    A few more Hyperions and no other CD-Rs yet, thankfully. Frank, did your
    Bowen disc turn out to be a CD-R?

    I bought it, but forgot to look. Now I have to find it.

    Found it. It's a CD-R. Nowhere indicated. Bought it from Berkshire Record
    Outlet and their listing did not indicate it was a CD-R. Not their fault,
    they couldn't know. Like I said, this is not a hot button issue for me, but
    they really ought to indicate it. Discogs shows an original release in 1996
    and an undated re-release which is not dated. I bet the original was CD and
    the re-release CD-R.
    I should know this, and I think I once did: whata's the easiest way
    to tell? I want to check a few recent Hyperion purchases from BRO. TIA.
    --
    Al Eisner

    CD-Rs have a blue-greenish tint on the data side, whereas CDs typically are silver.

    My Joyce Hatto CD-Rs are clear, like the CD-Rs that I
    burn myself.
    I meant clear, as in silver like a pressed CD.
    What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs have a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I ever
    receive a CD-R I send it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs when they are advertised as CDs. If they are going to sell CD-Rs they need to make it clear that's what they are selling.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mikro Phonie on Mon Mar 27 10:54:20 2023
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 10:29:55 AM UTC-7, Mikro Phonie wrote:

    What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed
    silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs have
    a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I ever receive a CD-R I send it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs
    when they are advertised as CDs. If they are going to sell CD-Rs they
    need to make it clear that's what they are selling.

    Just rip them to an electronic format and save the
    files. Physical media are unnecessary burdens.

    dk

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  • From Mikro Phonie@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Mon Mar 27 11:10:46 2023
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 10:54:23 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 10:29:55 AM UTC-7, Mikro Phonie wrote:

    What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed
    silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs have
    a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I ever receive a CD-R I send it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs when they are advertised as CDs. If they are going to sell CD-Rs they
    need to make it clear that's what they are selling.
    Just rip them to an electronic format and save the
    files. Physical media are unnecessary burdens.

    dk
    Your opinion regarding physical media is unnecessary. I don't give a hoot what you do. People like you are so annoying, just because you rip everything doesn't mean everyone else should do the same. Have fun with your virtual collection until your hard
    drive fails.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mikro Phonie on Mon Mar 27 11:26:14 2023
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 11:10:49 AM UTC-7, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 10:54:23 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 10:29:55 AM UTC-7, Mikro Phonie wrote:

    What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed
    silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs have
    a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I ever receive a CD-R I send
    it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs when they are advertised as CDs. If they are going to sell CD-Rs they need to make it clear that's what they are selling.

    Just rip them to an electronic format and save the
    files. Physical media are unnecessary burdens.

    Your opinion regarding physical media is unnecessary.

    Just like your opinion about CD-R.

    I don't give a hoot what you do.

    Ditto.

    People like you are so annoying, just because you rip
    everything doesn't mean everyone else should do the
    same.

    I don't rip anything. I don't have time. I have an entire
    garage filled with LPs and CDs.

    Have fun with your virtual collection until your hard
    drive fails.

    Have you heard of cloud storage? Backblaze? How
    about when one's home burns down, or is flooded
    or tornadoed? Hard drives are not the only things
    that can break down.

    Or how about escargots encroaching on one's
    shellac?

    dk

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  • From Mikro Phonie@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Mon Mar 27 11:55:19 2023
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 11:26:18 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 11:10:49 AM UTC-7, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 10:54:23 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 10:29:55 AM UTC-7, Mikro Phonie wrote:

    What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed
    silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs have
    a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I ever receive a CD-R I send
    it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs when they are advertised as CDs. If they are going to sell CD-Rs they need to make it clear that's what they are selling.

    Just rip them to an electronic format and save the
    files. Physical media are unnecessary burdens.

    Your opinion regarding physical media is unnecessary.
    Just like your opinion about CD-R.
    I don't give a hoot what you do.
    Ditto.
    People like you are so annoying, just because you rip
    everything doesn't mean everyone else should do the
    same.
    I don't rip anything. I don't have time. I have an entire
    garage filled with LPs and CDs.
    Have fun with your virtual collection until your hard
    drive fails.
    Have you heard of cloud storage? Backblaze? How
    about when one's home burns down, or is flooded
    or tornadoed? Hard drives are not the only things
    that can break down.

    Or how about escargots encroaching on one's
    shellac?

    dk
    Hey Einstein, this is a discussion regarding CD-Rs, so my opinion of CD-Rs is relevant. Your unasked for opinions regarding ripping and storage of music are not relevant.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mikro Phonie on Mon Mar 27 12:18:11 2023
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 11:55:21 AM UTC-7, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 11:26:18 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 11:10:49 AM UTC-7, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 10:54:23 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 10:29:55 AM UTC-7, Mikro Phonie wrote:

    What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs have
    a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I ever receive a CD-R I send
    it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs
    when they are advertised as CDs. If they are going to sell CD-Rs they
    need to make it clear that's what they are selling.

    Just rip them to an electronic format and save the
    files. Physical media are unnecessary burdens.

    Your opinion regarding physical media is unnecessary.
    Just like your opinion about CD-R.
    I don't give a hoot what you do.
    Ditto.
    People like you are so annoying, just because you rip
    everything doesn't mean everyone else should do the
    same.
    I don't rip anything. I don't have time. I have an entire
    garage filled with LPs and CDs.
    Have fun with your virtual collection until your hard
    drive fails.
    Have you heard of cloud storage? Backblaze? How
    about when one's home burns down, or is flooded
    or tornadoed? Hard drives are not the only things
    that can break down.

    Or how about escargots encroaching on one's
    shellac?

    Hey Einstein, this is a discussion regarding CD-Rs,
    so my opinion of CD-Rs is relevant. Your unasked
    for opinions regarding ripping and storage of music
    are not relevant.

    Hey Mikro Phoney, your opinions are not worth the
    paper on which you write them. You know where to
    throw it, don't you?

    dk

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Mikro Phonie on Mon Mar 27 15:17:58 2023
    On 3/27/2023 1:29 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:53:46 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:21:43 -0800, Néstor Castiglione wrote:

    On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 10:43:28 AM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Frank Berger wrote:

    On 3/9/2022 9:30 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/9/2022 6:50 PM, Review by Jonathan wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:58:16 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 1/14/2022 1:22 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben >>>>>>>>>> Schragadove wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 5:05:35 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 1/12/2022 12:51 AM, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at Berkshire
    Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It was
    factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on
    glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion keeping older titles
    "in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
    Which CD was it? I have a lot of Hyperions from BRO and I'd like to
    check.
    York Bowen
    Piano Music
    Stephen Hough
    CDA66838

    One of Stephen Hough´s best BTW - here the performer and composer are
    very well aligned!
    His British Album is also very fine.
    I'm going to order it. We'll see if it is a CD-R. Can you believe BRO has
    4 Hyperion all titled "York Bowen: Piano Music?" Reminds of the Bob >>>>>>>>> Newhart Show where a guy introduce his brother Darryl and his other >>>>>>>>> brother Darryl.

    A few more Hyperions and no other CD-Rs yet, thankfully. Frank, did your
    Bowen disc turn out to be a CD-R?

    I bought it, but forgot to look. Now I have to find it.

    Found it. It's a CD-R. Nowhere indicated. Bought it from Berkshire Record
    Outlet and their listing did not indicate it was a CD-R. Not their fault,
    they couldn't know. Like I said, this is not a hot button issue for me, but
    they really ought to indicate it. Discogs shows an original release in 1996
    and an undated re-release which is not dated. I bet the original was CD and
    the re-release CD-R.
    I should know this, and I think I once did: whata's the easiest way
    to tell? I want to check a few recent Hyperion purchases from BRO.
    TIA.
    --
    Al Eisner

    CD-Rs have a blue-greenish tint on the data side, whereas CDs typically are silver.

    My Joyce Hatto CD-Rs are clear, like the CD-Rs that I
    burn myself.
    I meant clear, as in silver like a pressed CD.
    What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs >have a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I ever
    receive a CD-R I send it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs when they are advertised as CDs. If they >are going to sell CD-Rs they need to make it clear that's what they are selling.

    Every time this subject comes up I say the same thing. I agree that seller should disclose that they are selling CD-Rs. Not because it really matters, but because some people think it does and they are entitled to know what they are getting.

    Also, every time someone asserts something about the lack of longevity of CD-Rs, I grab a half dozen CD-Rs that I burned myself years 30 or so years ago. They always play perfectly. Including today. Also I grab a couple of CD-Rs that I bought (perhaps
    unknowingly at the time) and they also play fine. I have yet to have a single CD-R go bad. For that matter, I have a cassette recorded by a friend for me around 1975, containing Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon and Queen's A Night at the Opera that I
    just listened to. Perfect.

    I do not keep my media on the dashboard of my car in the hot sun, or use them as coasters or frisbies. That may have has much to do with their longevity as anything else.

    I concluded years ago that the crap about CD-R longevity was mostly conspiracy theory stuff.

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  • From Mikro Phonie@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Mon Mar 27 13:19:09 2023
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 12:18:12 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/27/2023 1:29 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:53:46 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:21:43 -0800, Néstor Castiglione wrote:

    On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 10:43:28 AM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Frank Berger wrote:

    On 3/9/2022 9:30 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/9/2022 6:50 PM, Review by Jonathan wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:58:16 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 1/14/2022 1:22 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben >>>>>>>>>> Schragadove wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 5:05:35 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 1/12/2022 12:51 AM, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at Berkshire
    Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It was
    factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on
    glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion keeping older titles
    "in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
    Which CD was it? I have a lot of Hyperions from BRO and I'd like to
    check.
    York Bowen
    Piano Music
    Stephen Hough
    CDA66838

    One of Stephen Hough´s best BTW - here the performer and composer are
    very well aligned!
    His British Album is also very fine.
    I'm going to order it. We'll see if it is a CD-R. Can you believe BRO has
    4 Hyperion all titled "York Bowen: Piano Music?" Reminds of the Bob
    Newhart Show where a guy introduce his brother Darryl and his other
    brother Darryl.

    A few more Hyperions and no other CD-Rs yet, thankfully. Frank, did your
    Bowen disc turn out to be a CD-R?

    I bought it, but forgot to look. Now I have to find it.

    Found it. It's a CD-R. Nowhere indicated. Bought it from Berkshire Record
    Outlet and their listing did not indicate it was a CD-R. Not their fault,
    they couldn't know. Like I said, this is not a hot button issue for me, but
    they really ought to indicate it. Discogs shows an original release in 1996
    and an undated re-release which is not dated. I bet the original was CD and
    the re-release CD-R.
    I should know this, and I think I once did: whata's the easiest way >>>>> to tell? I want to check a few recent Hyperion purchases from BRO. >>>>> TIA.
    --
    Al Eisner

    CD-Rs have a blue-greenish tint on the data side, whereas CDs typically are silver.

    My Joyce Hatto CD-Rs are clear, like the CD-Rs that I
    burn myself.
    I meant clear, as in silver like a pressed CD.
    What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs >have a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I ever
    receive a CD-R I send it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs when they are advertised as CDs. If they >are going to sell CD-Rs they need to make it clear that's what they are selling.
    Every time this subject comes up I say the same thing. I agree that seller should disclose that they are selling CD-Rs. Not because it really matters, but because some people think it does and they are entitled to know what they are getting.

    Also, every time someone asserts something about the lack of longevity of CD-Rs, I grab a half dozen CD-Rs that I burned myself years 30 or so years ago. They always play perfectly. Including today. Also I grab a couple of CD-Rs that I bought (perhaps
    unknowingly at the time) and they also play fine. I have yet to have a single CD-R go bad. For that matter, I have a cassette recorded by a friend for me around 1975, containing Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon and Queen's A Night at the Opera that I
    just listened to. Perfect.

    I do not keep my media on the dashboard of my car in the hot sun, or use them as coasters or frisbies. That may have has much to do with their longevity as anything else.

    I concluded years ago that the crap about CD-R longevity was mostly conspiracy theory stuff.
    You must be the luckiest person in the world to not ever have a problem with a CD-R. You should buy a lottery ticket! First of all CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath as factory pressed silver CDs, so they can more easily be damaged.
    And no, I don't scratch my CDs so that's not the reason they don't play. Second of all, many CD-Rs have issues with the dyes used which cause them to become unplayable. So opposed to your alleged experience with perfect CD-Rs I'll just state that almost
    all the CD-Rs I've burned have started to glitch, and the CD-Rs I've inadvertently bought from dishonest sellers have started to glitch also. CD-Rs are disposable junk and you'll find that out eventually. Also CD-Rs have no resale value. So enjoy your
    junky CD-Rs while they last.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mikro Phonie on Mon Mar 27 15:11:40 2023
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 1:19:12 PM UTC-7, Mikro Phonie wrote:

    CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath as
    factory pressed silver CDs, so they can more easily be damaged.

    The "silver" layer is actually aluminum, and it oxidizes
    faster than anyone would have imagined. The reason
    for having it is merely to provide a light reflecting layer.
    It does not "protect" against anything physical hazards.

    dk

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Mikro Phonie on Mon Mar 27 18:18:17 2023
    On 3/27/2023 4:19 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 12:18:12 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/27/2023 1:29 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:53:46 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:21:43 -0800, Néstor Castiglione wrote:

    On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 10:43:28 AM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Frank Berger wrote:

    On 3/9/2022 9:30 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/9/2022 6:50 PM, Review by Jonathan wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:58:16 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 1/14/2022 1:22 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben >>>>>>>>>>>> Schragadove wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 5:05:35 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 1/12/2022 12:51 AM, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at Berkshire
    Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It was
    factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on
    glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion keeping older titles
    "in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
    Which CD was it? I have a lot of Hyperions from BRO and I'd like to
    check.
    York Bowen
    Piano Music
    Stephen Hough
    CDA66838

    One of Stephen Hough´s best BTW - here the performer and composer are
    very well aligned!
    His British Album is also very fine.
    I'm going to order it. We'll see if it is a CD-R. Can you believe BRO has
    4 Hyperion all titled "York Bowen: Piano Music?" Reminds of the Bob >>>>>>>>>>> Newhart Show where a guy introduce his brother Darryl and his other >>>>>>>>>>> brother Darryl.

    A few more Hyperions and no other CD-Rs yet, thankfully. Frank, did your
    Bowen disc turn out to be a CD-R?

    I bought it, but forgot to look. Now I have to find it.

    Found it. It's a CD-R. Nowhere indicated. Bought it from Berkshire Record
    Outlet and their listing did not indicate it was a CD-R. Not their fault,
    they couldn't know. Like I said, this is not a hot button issue for me, but
    they really ought to indicate it. Discogs shows an original release in 1996
    and an undated re-release which is not dated. I bet the original was CD and
    the re-release CD-R.
    I should know this, and I think I once did: whata's the easiest way >>>>>>> to tell? I want to check a few recent Hyperion purchases from BRO. >>>>>>> TIA.
    --
    Al Eisner

    CD-Rs have a blue-greenish tint on the data side, whereas CDs typically are silver.

    My Joyce Hatto CD-Rs are clear, like the CD-Rs that I
    burn myself.
    I meant clear, as in silver like a pressed CD.
    What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs >have a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I ever
    receive a CD-R I send it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs when they are advertised as CDs. If they >are going to sell CD-Rs they need to make it clear that's what they are selling.
    Every time this subject comes up I say the same thing. I agree that seller should disclose that they are selling CD-Rs. Not because it really matters, but because some people think it does and they are entitled to know what they are getting.

    Also, every time someone asserts something about the lack of longevity of CD-Rs, I grab a half dozen CD-Rs that I burned myself years 30 or so years ago. They always play perfectly. Including today. Also I grab a couple of CD-Rs that I bought (perhaps
    unknowingly at the time) and they also play fine. I have yet to have a single CD-R go bad. For that matter, I have a cassette recorded by a friend for me around 1975, containing Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon and Queen's A Night at the Opera that I
    just listened to. Perfect.

    I do not keep my media on the dashboard of my car in the hot sun, or use them as coasters or frisbies. That may have has much to do with their longevity as anything else.

    I concluded years ago that the crap about CD-R longevity was mostly conspiracy theory stuff.
    You must be the luckiest person in the world to not ever have a problem with a CD-R. You should buy a lottery ticket! First of all CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath as factory pressed silver CDs, so they can more easily be damaged.

    As I said, I don't abuse my CD-Rs. YMMV.


    And no, I don't scratch my CDs so that's not the reason they don't play. Second of all, many CD-Rs have issues with the dyes used which cause them to become unplayable. So opposed to your >alleged experience with perfect CD-Rs I'll just state that
    almost all the CD-Rs I've burned have started to glitch,

    I've always purchased the best CD-Rs available. Virtually all Taiyo Yuden. No dye problem AFAIK.

    and the CD-Rs I've inadvertently bought from dishonest sellers have started to glitch also. CD-Rs are disposable junk and you'll find that out eventually.

    I don't expect to live that long.

    Also CD-Rs have no resale value. So >enjoy your junky CD-Rs while they last.

    I'll sell them to suckers.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mikro Phonie@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Mon Mar 27 16:41:00 2023
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 3:11:43 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 1:19:12 PM UTC-7, Mikro Phonie wrote:

    CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath as
    factory pressed silver CDs, so they can more easily be damaged.
    The "silver" layer is actually aluminum, and it oxidizes
    faster than anyone would have imagined. The reason
    for having it is merely to provide a light reflecting layer.
    It does not "protect" against anything physical hazards.

    dk
    You're completely clueless aren't you? I never said the "silver" (aluminum) layer is what protects CDs. Factory pressed CDs have an extra layer of plastic at the bottom of the disc which helps protect against scratches. CD-Rs do not have the same extra
    layer of plastic underneath the disc, which makes them much more prone to play issues from minor scratches. Bozo. And no CD I have has ever had oxidation issues due to the aluminum in the disc. Do you just pull this stuff out of your rear end?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mikro Phonie@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Mon Mar 27 16:42:58 2023
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 3:18:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/27/2023 4:19 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 12:18:12 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/27/2023 1:29 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:53:46 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:21:43 -0800, Néstor Castiglione wrote:

    On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 10:43:28 AM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Frank Berger wrote:

    On 3/9/2022 9:30 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/9/2022 6:50 PM, Review by Jonathan wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:58:16 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 1/14/2022 1:22 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben >>>>>>>>>>>> Schragadove wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 5:05:35 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 1/12/2022 12:51 AM, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at Berkshire
    Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It was
    factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on
    glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion keeping older titles
    "in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
    Which CD was it? I have a lot of Hyperions from BRO and I'd like to
    check.
    York Bowen
    Piano Music
    Stephen Hough
    CDA66838

    One of Stephen Hough´s best BTW - here the performer and composer are
    very well aligned!
    His British Album is also very fine.
    I'm going to order it. We'll see if it is a CD-R. Can you believe BRO has
    4 Hyperion all titled "York Bowen: Piano Music?" Reminds of the Bob
    Newhart Show where a guy introduce his brother Darryl and his other
    brother Darryl.

    A few more Hyperions and no other CD-Rs yet, thankfully. Frank, did your
    Bowen disc turn out to be a CD-R?

    I bought it, but forgot to look. Now I have to find it.

    Found it. It's a CD-R. Nowhere indicated. Bought it from Berkshire Record
    Outlet and their listing did not indicate it was a CD-R. Not their fault,
    they couldn't know. Like I said, this is not a hot button issue for me, but
    they really ought to indicate it. Discogs shows an original release in 1996
    and an undated re-release which is not dated. I bet the original was CD and
    the re-release CD-R.
    I should know this, and I think I once did: whata's the easiest way >>>>>>> to tell? I want to check a few recent Hyperion purchases from BRO. >>>>>>> TIA.
    --
    Al Eisner

    CD-Rs have a blue-greenish tint on the data side, whereas CDs typically are silver.

    My Joyce Hatto CD-Rs are clear, like the CD-Rs that I
    burn myself.
    I meant clear, as in silver like a pressed CD.
    What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs >have a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I ever
    receive a CD-R I send it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs when they are advertised as CDs. If they >are going to sell CD-Rs they need to make it clear that's what they are selling.
    Every time this subject comes up I say the same thing. I agree that seller should disclose that they are selling CD-Rs. Not because it really matters, but because some people think it does and they are entitled to know what they are getting.

    Also, every time someone asserts something about the lack of longevity of CD-Rs, I grab a half dozen CD-Rs that I burned myself years 30 or so years ago. They always play perfectly. Including today. Also I grab a couple of CD-Rs that I bought (
    perhaps unknowingly at the time) and they also play fine. I have yet to have a single CD-R go bad. For that matter, I have a cassette recorded by a friend for me around 1975, containing Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon and Queen's A Night at the Opera
    that I just listened to. Perfect.

    I do not keep my media on the dashboard of my car in the hot sun, or use them as coasters or frisbies. That may have has much to do with their longevity as anything else.

    I concluded years ago that the crap about CD-R longevity was mostly conspiracy theory stuff.
    You must be the luckiest person in the world to not ever have a problem with a CD-R. You should buy a lottery ticket! First of all CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath as factory pressed silver CDs, so they can more easily be
    damaged.
    As I said, I don't abuse my CD-Rs. YMMV.
    And no, I don't scratch my CDs so that's not the reason they don't play. Second of all, many CD-Rs have issues with the dyes used which cause them to become unplayable. So opposed to your >alleged experience with perfect CD-Rs I'll just state that
    almost all the CD-Rs I've burned have started to glitch,
    I've always purchased the best CD-Rs available. Virtually all Taiyo Yuden. No dye problem AFAIK.
    and the CD-Rs I've inadvertently bought from dishonest sellers have started to glitch also. CD-Rs are disposable junk and you'll find that out eventually.
    I don't expect to live that long.
    Also CD-Rs have no resale value. So >enjoy your junky CD-Rs while they last.
    I'll sell them to suckers.
    Try selling your CD-Rs to a used record store or on Discogs and see what you can get for them. Nuthin. Might as well toss them in the trash.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Mikro Phonie on Mon Mar 27 19:55:11 2023
    On 3/27/2023 7:42 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 3:18:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/27/2023 4:19 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 12:18:12 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/27/2023 1:29 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:53:46 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:21:43 -0800, Néstor Castiglione wrote:

    On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 10:43:28 AM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Frank Berger wrote:

    On 3/9/2022 9:30 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/9/2022 6:50 PM, Review by Jonathan wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:58:16 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 1/14/2022 1:22 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Schragadove wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 5:05:35 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 1/12/2022 12:51 AM, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at Berkshire
    Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It was
    factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on
    glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion keeping older titles
    "in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
    Which CD was it? I have a lot of Hyperions from BRO and I'd like to
    check.
    York Bowen
    Piano Music
    Stephen Hough
    CDA66838

    One of Stephen Hough´s best BTW - here the performer and composer are
    very well aligned!
    His British Album is also very fine.
    I'm going to order it. We'll see if it is a CD-R. Can you believe BRO has
    4 Hyperion all titled "York Bowen: Piano Music?" Reminds of the Bob
    Newhart Show where a guy introduce his brother Darryl and his other
    brother Darryl.

    A few more Hyperions and no other CD-Rs yet, thankfully. Frank, did your
    Bowen disc turn out to be a CD-R?

    I bought it, but forgot to look. Now I have to find it.

    Found it. It's a CD-R. Nowhere indicated. Bought it from Berkshire Record
    Outlet and their listing did not indicate it was a CD-R. Not their fault,
    they couldn't know. Like I said, this is not a hot button issue for me, but
    they really ought to indicate it. Discogs shows an original release in 1996
    and an undated re-release which is not dated. I bet the original was CD and
    the re-release CD-R.
    I should know this, and I think I once did: whata's the easiest way >>>>>>>>> to tell? I want to check a few recent Hyperion purchases from BRO. >>>>>>>>> TIA.
    --
    Al Eisner

    CD-Rs have a blue-greenish tint on the data side, whereas CDs typically are silver.

    My Joyce Hatto CD-Rs are clear, like the CD-Rs that I
    burn myself.
    I meant clear, as in silver like a pressed CD.
    What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs >have a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I ever
    receive a CD-R I send it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs when they are advertised as CDs. If they >are going to sell CD-Rs they need to make it clear that's what they are selling.
    Every time this subject comes up I say the same thing. I agree that seller should disclose that they are selling CD-Rs. Not because it really matters, but because some people think it does and they are entitled to know what they are getting.

    Also, every time someone asserts something about the lack of longevity of CD-Rs, I grab a half dozen CD-Rs that I burned myself years 30 or so years ago. They always play perfectly. Including today. Also I grab a couple of CD-Rs that I bought (
    perhaps unknowingly at the time) and they also play fine. I have yet to have a single CD-R go bad. For that matter, I have a cassette recorded by a friend for me around 1975, containing Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon and Queen's A Night at the Opera
    that I just listened to. Perfect.

    I do not keep my media on the dashboard of my car in the hot sun, or use them as coasters or frisbies. That may have has much to do with their longevity as anything else.

    I concluded years ago that the crap about CD-R longevity was mostly conspiracy theory stuff.
    You must be the luckiest person in the world to not ever have a problem with a CD-R. You should buy a lottery ticket! First of all CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath as factory pressed silver CDs, so they can more easily be
    damaged.
    As I said, I don't abuse my CD-Rs. YMMV.
    And no, I don't scratch my CDs so that's not the reason they don't play. Second of all, many CD-Rs have issues with the dyes used which cause them to become unplayable. So opposed to your >alleged experience with perfect CD-Rs I'll just state that
    almost all the CD-Rs I've burned have started to glitch,
    I've always purchased the best CD-Rs available. Virtually all Taiyo Yuden. No dye problem AFAIK.
    and the CD-Rs I've inadvertently bought from dishonest sellers have started to glitch also. CD-Rs are disposable junk and you'll find that out eventually.
    I don't expect to live that long.
    Also CD-Rs have no resale value. So >enjoy your junky CD-Rs while they last.
    I'll sell them to suckers.
    Try selling your CD-Rs to a used record store or on Discogs and see what you can get for them. Nuthin. Might as well toss them in the trash.

    I was joking. I have so few CD-Rs in my collection that the question of selling them is irrelevant. Also, why is an occasional failure of a CD-R which must account for a small percentage of just about anyone's collection, actually matter. Why does this
    almost non-issue matter so much to you?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mikro Phonie@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Mon Mar 27 17:12:49 2023
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 4:55:25 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/27/2023 7:42 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 3:18:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/27/2023 4:19 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 12:18:12 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote: >>>> On 3/27/2023 1:29 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:53:46 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:21:43 -0800, Néstor Castiglione wrote: >>>>>>>
    On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 10:43:28 AM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Frank Berger wrote:

    On 3/9/2022 9:30 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/9/2022 6:50 PM, Review by Jonathan wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:58:16 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 1/14/2022 1:22 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben
    Schragadove wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 5:05:35 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 1/12/2022 12:51 AM, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at Berkshire
    Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It was
    factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on
    glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion keeping older titles
    "in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
    Which CD was it? I have a lot of Hyperions from BRO and I'd like to
    check.
    York Bowen
    Piano Music
    Stephen Hough
    CDA66838

    One of Stephen Hough´s best BTW - here the performer and composer are
    very well aligned!
    His British Album is also very fine.
    I'm going to order it. We'll see if it is a CD-R. Can you believe BRO has
    4 Hyperion all titled "York Bowen: Piano Music?" Reminds of the Bob
    Newhart Show where a guy introduce his brother Darryl and his other
    brother Darryl.

    A few more Hyperions and no other CD-Rs yet, thankfully. Frank, did your
    Bowen disc turn out to be a CD-R?

    I bought it, but forgot to look. Now I have to find it. >>>>>>>>>>
    Found it. It's a CD-R. Nowhere indicated. Bought it from Berkshire Record
    Outlet and their listing did not indicate it was a CD-R. Not their fault,
    they couldn't know. Like I said, this is not a hot button issue for me, but
    they really ought to indicate it. Discogs shows an original release in 1996
    and an undated re-release which is not dated. I bet the original was CD and
    the re-release CD-R.
    I should know this, and I think I once did: whata's the easiest way
    to tell? I want to check a few recent Hyperion purchases from BRO. >>>>>>>>> TIA.
    --
    Al Eisner

    CD-Rs have a blue-greenish tint on the data side, whereas CDs typically are silver.

    My Joyce Hatto CD-Rs are clear, like the CD-Rs that I
    burn myself.
    I meant clear, as in silver like a pressed CD.
    What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs >have a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I
    ever receive a CD-R I send it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs when they are advertised as CDs. If they >are going to sell CD-Rs they need to make it clear that's what they are selling.
    Every time this subject comes up I say the same thing. I agree that seller should disclose that they are selling CD-Rs. Not because it really matters, but because some people think it does and they are entitled to know what they are getting.

    Also, every time someone asserts something about the lack of longevity of CD-Rs, I grab a half dozen CD-Rs that I burned myself years 30 or so years ago. They always play perfectly. Including today. Also I grab a couple of CD-Rs that I bought (
    perhaps unknowingly at the time) and they also play fine. I have yet to have a single CD-R go bad. For that matter, I have a cassette recorded by a friend for me around 1975, containing Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon and Queen's A Night at the Opera
    that I just listened to. Perfect.

    I do not keep my media on the dashboard of my car in the hot sun, or use them as coasters or frisbies. That may have has much to do with their longevity as anything else.

    I concluded years ago that the crap about CD-R longevity was mostly conspiracy theory stuff.
    You must be the luckiest person in the world to not ever have a problem with a CD-R. You should buy a lottery ticket! First of all CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath as factory pressed silver CDs, so they can more easily be
    damaged.
    As I said, I don't abuse my CD-Rs. YMMV.
    And no, I don't scratch my CDs so that's not the reason they don't play. Second of all, many CD-Rs have issues with the dyes used which cause them to become unplayable. So opposed to your >alleged experience with perfect CD-Rs I'll just state that
    almost all the CD-Rs I've burned have started to glitch,
    I've always purchased the best CD-Rs available. Virtually all Taiyo Yuden. No dye problem AFAIK.
    and the CD-Rs I've inadvertently bought from dishonest sellers have started to glitch also. CD-Rs are disposable junk and you'll find that out eventually.
    I don't expect to live that long.
    Also CD-Rs have no resale value. So >enjoy your junky CD-Rs while they last.
    I'll sell them to suckers.
    Try selling your CD-Rs to a used record store or on Discogs and see what you can get for them. Nuthin. Might as well toss them in the trash.
    I was joking. I have so few CD-Rs in my collection that the question of selling them is irrelevant. Also, why is an occasional failure of a CD-R which must account for a small percentage of just about anyone's collection, actually matter. Why does this
    almost non-issue matter so much to you?
    Seems like it matters more to you. You're the one who has been blathering on about how great CD-Rs are for more than a year.

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Mikro Phonie on Mon Mar 27 20:23:59 2023
    On 3/27/2023 8:12 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 4:55:25 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/27/2023 7:42 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 3:18:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/27/2023 4:19 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 12:18:12 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote: >>>>>> On 3/27/2023 1:29 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:53:46 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:21:43 -0800, Néstor Castiglione wrote: >>>>>>>>>
    On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 10:43:28 AM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Frank Berger wrote:

    On 3/9/2022 9:30 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/9/2022 6:50 PM, Review by Jonathan wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:58:16 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 1/14/2022 1:22 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Schragadove wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 5:05:35 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 1/12/2022 12:51 AM, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at Berkshire
    Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It was
    factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on
    glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion keeping older titles
    "in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
    Which CD was it? I have a lot of Hyperions from BRO and I'd like to
    check.
    York Bowen
    Piano Music
    Stephen Hough
    CDA66838

    One of Stephen Hough´s best BTW - here the performer and composer are
    very well aligned!
    His British Album is also very fine.
    I'm going to order it. We'll see if it is a CD-R. Can you believe BRO has
    4 Hyperion all titled "York Bowen: Piano Music?" Reminds of the Bob
    Newhart Show where a guy introduce his brother Darryl and his other
    brother Darryl.

    A few more Hyperions and no other CD-Rs yet, thankfully. Frank, did your
    Bowen disc turn out to be a CD-R?

    I bought it, but forgot to look. Now I have to find it. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    Found it. It's a CD-R. Nowhere indicated. Bought it from Berkshire Record
    Outlet and their listing did not indicate it was a CD-R. Not their fault,
    they couldn't know. Like I said, this is not a hot button issue for me, but
    they really ought to indicate it. Discogs shows an original release in 1996
    and an undated re-release which is not dated. I bet the original was CD and
    the re-release CD-R.
    I should know this, and I think I once did: whata's the easiest way >>>>>>>>>>> to tell? I want to check a few recent Hyperion purchases from BRO. >>>>>>>>>>> TIA.
    --
    Al Eisner

    CD-Rs have a blue-greenish tint on the data side, whereas CDs typically are silver.

    My Joyce Hatto CD-Rs are clear, like the CD-Rs that I
    burn myself.
    I meant clear, as in silver like a pressed CD.
    What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs >have a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I
    ever receive a CD-R I send it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs when they are advertised as CDs. If they >are going to sell CD-Rs they need to make it clear that's what they are selling.
    Every time this subject comes up I say the same thing. I agree that seller should disclose that they are selling CD-Rs. Not because it really matters, but because some people think it does and they are entitled to know what they are getting.

    Also, every time someone asserts something about the lack of longevity of CD-Rs, I grab a half dozen CD-Rs that I burned myself years 30 or so years ago. They always play perfectly. Including today. Also I grab a couple of CD-Rs that I bought (
    perhaps unknowingly at the time) and they also play fine. I have yet to have a single CD-R go bad. For that matter, I have a cassette recorded by a friend for me around 1975, containing Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon and Queen's A Night at the Opera
    that I just listened to. Perfect.

    I do not keep my media on the dashboard of my car in the hot sun, or use them as coasters or frisbies. That may have has much to do with their longevity as anything else.

    I concluded years ago that the crap about CD-R longevity was mostly conspiracy theory stuff.
    You must be the luckiest person in the world to not ever have a problem with a CD-R. You should buy a lottery ticket! First of all CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath as factory pressed silver CDs, so they can more easily be
    damaged.
    As I said, I don't abuse my CD-Rs. YMMV.
    And no, I don't scratch my CDs so that's not the reason they don't play. Second of all, many CD-Rs have issues with the dyes used which cause them to become unplayable. So opposed to your >alleged experience with perfect CD-Rs I'll just state that
    almost all the CD-Rs I've burned have started to glitch,
    I've always purchased the best CD-Rs available. Virtually all Taiyo Yuden. No dye problem AFAIK.
    and the CD-Rs I've inadvertently bought from dishonest sellers have started to glitch also. CD-Rs are disposable junk and you'll find that out eventually.
    I don't expect to live that long.
    Also CD-Rs have no resale value. So >enjoy your junky CD-Rs while they last.
    I'll sell them to suckers.
    Try selling your CD-Rs to a used record store or on Discogs and see what you can get for them. Nuthin. Might as well toss them in the trash.
    I was joking. I have so few CD-Rs in my collection that the question of selling them is irrelevant. Also, why is an occasional failure of a CD-R which must account for a small percentage of just about anyone's collection, actually matter. Why does
    this almost non-issue matter so much to you?
    Seems like it matters more to you. You're the one who has been blathering on about how great CD-Rs are for more than a year.

    Every time I win an argument I'm accused of blathering. When was the last time I mentioned it, since you obviously looked it up. More than a year ago, I bet. Blathering. Right.
    You don't agree with what I am saying so you starting to get personal. Fuck off.

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  • From Jonathan Ben Schragadove@21:1/5 to Jerry on Mon Mar 27 18:56:21 2023
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:22:42 AM UTC-7, Jerry wrote:
    A Naxos March 2023 release purchased in the U.S. was a CD-R, the first of that type I’ve ever encountered from that label. I’ve written to Naxos but have not yet received an explanation.
    The major issue here, as JBS noted, is a lack of disclosure. Many purchasers, like a Brooklyn-based YouTube reviewer, don’t have an issue with CD-RsOn Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 2:16:56 AM UTC-4, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 9:51:50 PM UTC-8, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
    Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at Berkshire Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It was factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion
    keeping older titles "in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
    I’ve been bamboozled again…another Hyperion CD purchased from Berkshire Record Outlet turned out to be a CD-R…this time, the Hamelin Liszt Sonata (CDA67760) from 2010. The only retailer I’ve seen that actually identifies the product as a CD-R
    is HMV Japan (they also have a listing for the original CD). Haven’t listened to the entire disc yet, but the Bénédiction is stunning!!!

    Would be interested to hear Naxos' response, especially given that it's a new release. My experience so far with Hyperion, Sony, and Chandos CD-Rs have been with older titles - presumably their excuse is that it's not cost effective for them to do
    another run since physical sales are so low.

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  • From Mikro Phonie@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Mon Mar 27 19:14:40 2023
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 5:24:13 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/27/2023 8:12 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 4:55:25 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/27/2023 7:42 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 3:18:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote: >>>> On 3/27/2023 4:19 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 12:18:12 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote: >>>>>> On 3/27/2023 1:29 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:53:46 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:21:43 -0800, Néstor Castiglione wrote: >>>>>>>>>
    On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 10:43:28 AM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Frank Berger wrote:

    On 3/9/2022 9:30 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/9/2022 6:50 PM, Review by Jonathan wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:58:16 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 1/14/2022 1:22 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben
    Schragadove wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 5:05:35 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 1/12/2022 12:51 AM, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at Berkshire
    Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It was
    factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on
    glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion keeping older titles
    "in print" these days by burning CD-R's? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which CD was it? I have a lot of Hyperions from BRO and I'd like to
    check.
    York Bowen
    Piano Music
    Stephen Hough
    CDA66838

    One of Stephen Hough´s best BTW - here the performer and composer are
    very well aligned!
    His British Album is also very fine.
    I'm going to order it. We'll see if it is a CD-R. Can you believe BRO has
    4 Hyperion all titled "York Bowen: Piano Music?" Reminds of the Bob
    Newhart Show where a guy introduce his brother Darryl and his other
    brother Darryl.

    A few more Hyperions and no other CD-Rs yet, thankfully. Frank, did your
    Bowen disc turn out to be a CD-R?

    I bought it, but forgot to look. Now I have to find it. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    Found it. It's a CD-R. Nowhere indicated. Bought it from Berkshire Record
    Outlet and their listing did not indicate it was a CD-R. Not their fault,
    they couldn't know. Like I said, this is not a hot button issue for me, but
    they really ought to indicate it. Discogs shows an original release in 1996
    and an undated re-release which is not dated. I bet the original was CD and
    the re-release CD-R.
    I should know this, and I think I once did: whata's the easiest way
    to tell? I want to check a few recent Hyperion purchases from BRO.
    TIA.
    --
    Al Eisner

    CD-Rs have a blue-greenish tint on the data side, whereas CDs typically are silver.

    My Joyce Hatto CD-Rs are clear, like the CD-Rs that I
    burn myself.
    I meant clear, as in silver like a pressed CD.
    What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs >have a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I
    ever receive a CD-R I send it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs when they are advertised as CDs. If they >are going to sell CD-Rs they need to make it clear that's what they are selling.
    Every time this subject comes up I say the same thing. I agree that seller should disclose that they are selling CD-Rs. Not because it really matters, but because some people think it does and they are entitled to know what they are getting.

    Also, every time someone asserts something about the lack of longevity of CD-Rs, I grab a half dozen CD-Rs that I burned myself years 30 or so years ago. They always play perfectly. Including today. Also I grab a couple of CD-Rs that I bought (
    perhaps unknowingly at the time) and they also play fine. I have yet to have a single CD-R go bad. For that matter, I have a cassette recorded by a friend for me around 1975, containing Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon and Queen's A Night at the Opera
    that I just listened to. Perfect.

    I do not keep my media on the dashboard of my car in the hot sun, or use them as coasters or frisbies. That may have has much to do with their longevity as anything else.

    I concluded years ago that the crap about CD-R longevity was mostly conspiracy theory stuff.
    You must be the luckiest person in the world to not ever have a problem with a CD-R. You should buy a lottery ticket! First of all CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath as factory pressed silver CDs, so they can more easily be
    damaged.
    As I said, I don't abuse my CD-Rs. YMMV.
    And no, I don't scratch my CDs so that's not the reason they don't play. Second of all, many CD-Rs have issues with the dyes used which cause them to become unplayable. So opposed to your >alleged experience with perfect CD-Rs I'll just state
    that almost all the CD-Rs I've burned have started to glitch,
    I've always purchased the best CD-Rs available. Virtually all Taiyo Yuden. No dye problem AFAIK.
    and the CD-Rs I've inadvertently bought from dishonest sellers have started to glitch also. CD-Rs are disposable junk and you'll find that out eventually.
    I don't expect to live that long.
    Also CD-Rs have no resale value. So >enjoy your junky CD-Rs while they last.
    I'll sell them to suckers.
    Try selling your CD-Rs to a used record store or on Discogs and see what you can get for them. Nuthin. Might as well toss them in the trash.
    I was joking. I have so few CD-Rs in my collection that the question of selling them is irrelevant. Also, why is an occasional failure of a CD-R which must account for a small percentage of just about anyone's collection, actually matter. Why does
    this almost non-issue matter so much to you?
    Seems like it matters more to you. You're the one who has been blathering on about how great CD-Rs are for more than a year.
    Every time I win an argument I'm accused of blathering. When was the last time I mentioned it, since you obviously looked it up. More than a year ago, I bet. Blathering. Right.
    You don't agree with what I am saying so you starting to get personal. Fuck off.
    First, you lost the argument. Second, I count 24 posts of yours in this thread since it started over a year ago. That qualifies as blathering. Now go play with your glitch-ridden garbage CD-Rs.

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  • From Mikro Phonie@21:1/5 to Jonathan Ben Schragadove on Mon Mar 27 19:17:44 2023
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 6:56:24 PM UTC-7, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:22:42 AM UTC-7, Jerry wrote:
    A Naxos March 2023 release purchased in the U.S. was a CD-R, the first of that type I’ve ever encountered from that label. I’ve written to Naxos but have not yet received an explanation.
    The major issue here, as JBS noted, is a lack of disclosure. Many purchasers, like a Brooklyn-based YouTube reviewer, don’t have an issue with CD-RsOn Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 2:16:56 AM UTC-4, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 9:51:50 PM UTC-8, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
    Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at Berkshire Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It was factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on glossy paper (not laser printed). Is
    Hyperion keeping older titles "in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
    I’ve been bamboozled again…another Hyperion CD purchased from Berkshire Record Outlet turned out to be a CD-R…this time, the Hamelin Liszt Sonata (CDA67760) from 2010. The only retailer I’ve seen that actually identifies the product as a CD-
    R is HMV Japan (they also have a listing for the original CD). Haven’t listened to the entire disc yet, but the Bénédiction is stunning!!!
    Would be interested to hear Naxos' response, especially given that it's a new release. My experience so far with Hyperion, Sony, and Chandos CD-Rs have been with older titles - presumably their excuse is that it's not cost effective for them to do
    another run since physical sales are so low.
    There are pressing plants in Europe that will do small runs of pressed silver CDs for not much more than $1 or so each. One plant will even do counts as low as 50 or 100. These labels releasing CD-Rs are just being extra cheap and lazy. No excuses at all.

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Mikro Phonie on Mon Mar 27 22:58:27 2023
    On 3/27/2023 10:14 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 5:24:13 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/27/2023 8:12 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 4:55:25 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/27/2023 7:42 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 3:18:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote: >>>>>> On 3/27/2023 4:19 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 12:18:12 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote: >>>>>>>> On 3/27/2023 1:29 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:53:46 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:21:43 -0800, Néstor Castiglione wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
    On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 10:43:28 AM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Frank Berger wrote:

    On 3/9/2022 9:30 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/9/2022 6:50 PM, Review by Jonathan wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:58:16 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 1/14/2022 1:22 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben
    Schragadove wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 5:05:35 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 1/12/2022 12:51 AM, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at Berkshire
    Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It was
    factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on
    glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion keeping older titles
    "in print" these days by burning CD-R's? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which CD was it? I have a lot of Hyperions from BRO and I'd like to
    check.
    York Bowen
    Piano Music
    Stephen Hough
    CDA66838

    One of Stephen Hough´s best BTW - here the performer and composer are
    very well aligned!
    His British Album is also very fine.
    I'm going to order it. We'll see if it is a CD-R. Can you believe BRO has
    4 Hyperion all titled "York Bowen: Piano Music?" Reminds of the Bob
    Newhart Show where a guy introduce his brother Darryl and his other
    brother Darryl.

    A few more Hyperions and no other CD-Rs yet, thankfully. Frank, did your
    Bowen disc turn out to be a CD-R?

    I bought it, but forgot to look. Now I have to find it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Found it. It's a CD-R. Nowhere indicated. Bought it from Berkshire Record
    Outlet and their listing did not indicate it was a CD-R. Not their fault,
    they couldn't know. Like I said, this is not a hot button issue for me, but
    they really ought to indicate it. Discogs shows an original release in 1996
    and an undated re-release which is not dated. I bet the original was CD and
    the re-release CD-R.
    I should know this, and I think I once did: whata's the easiest way
    to tell? I want to check a few recent Hyperion purchases from BRO.
    TIA.
    --
    Al Eisner

    CD-Rs have a blue-greenish tint on the data side, whereas CDs typically are silver.

    My Joyce Hatto CD-Rs are clear, like the CD-Rs that I
    burn myself.
    I meant clear, as in silver like a pressed CD.
    What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs >have a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I
    ever receive a CD-R I send it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs when they are advertised as CDs. If they >are going to sell CD-Rs they need to make it clear that's what they are selling.
    Every time this subject comes up I say the same thing. I agree that seller should disclose that they are selling CD-Rs. Not because it really matters, but because some people think it does and they are entitled to know what they are getting.

    Also, every time someone asserts something about the lack of longevity of CD-Rs, I grab a half dozen CD-Rs that I burned myself years 30 or so years ago. They always play perfectly. Including today. Also I grab a couple of CD-Rs that I bought (
    perhaps unknowingly at the time) and they also play fine. I have yet to have a single CD-R go bad. For that matter, I have a cassette recorded by a friend for me around 1975, containing Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon and Queen's A Night at the Opera
    that I just listened to. Perfect.

    I do not keep my media on the dashboard of my car in the hot sun, or use them as coasters or frisbies. That may have has much to do with their longevity as anything else.

    I concluded years ago that the crap about CD-R longevity was mostly conspiracy theory stuff.
    You must be the luckiest person in the world to not ever have a problem with a CD-R. You should buy a lottery ticket! First of all CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath as factory pressed silver CDs, so they can more easily be
    damaged.
    As I said, I don't abuse my CD-Rs. YMMV.
    And no, I don't scratch my CDs so that's not the reason they don't play. Second of all, many CD-Rs have issues with the dyes used which cause them to become unplayable. So opposed to your >alleged experience with perfect CD-Rs I'll just state
    that almost all the CD-Rs I've burned have started to glitch,
    I've always purchased the best CD-Rs available. Virtually all Taiyo Yuden. No dye problem AFAIK.
    and the CD-Rs I've inadvertently bought from dishonest sellers have started to glitch also. CD-Rs are disposable junk and you'll find that out eventually.
    I don't expect to live that long.
    Also CD-Rs have no resale value. So >enjoy your junky CD-Rs while they last.
    I'll sell them to suckers.
    Try selling your CD-Rs to a used record store or on Discogs and see what you can get for them. Nuthin. Might as well toss them in the trash.
    I was joking. I have so few CD-Rs in my collection that the question of selling them is irrelevant. Also, why is an occasional failure of a CD-R which must account for a small percentage of just about anyone's collection, actually matter. Why does
    this almost non-issue matter so much to you?
    Seems like it matters more to you. You're the one who has been blathering on about how great CD-Rs are for more than a year.
    Every time I win an argument I'm accused of blathering. When was the last time I mentioned it, since you obviously looked it up. More than a year ago, I bet. Blathering. Right.
    You don't agree with what I am saying so you starting to get personal. Fuck off.
    First, you lost the argument. Second, I count 24 posts of yours in this thread since it started over a year ago. That qualifies as blathering. Now go play with your glitch-ridden garbage CD-Rs.

    I participated in the thread like a lot of other people. Have you checked to see which of them are also blatherers? As I said I don't have that many CD-Rs and none of them have any glitches. You are making stuff up. What an idiot.

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