Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at Berkshire Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It was factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperionkeeping older titles "in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 9:51:50 PM UTC-8, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:keeping older titles "in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at Berkshire Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It was factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion
I’ve been bamboozled again…another Hyperion CD purchased from Berkshire Record Outlet turned out to be a CD-R…this time, the Hamelin Liszt Sonata (CDA67760) from 2010. The only retailer I’ve seen that actually identifies the product as a CD-Ris HMV Japan (they also have a listing for the original CD). Haven’t listened to the entire disc yet, but the Bénédiction is stunning!!!
On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 9:51:50 PM UTC-8, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:keeping older titles "in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at Berkshire Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It was factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion
I’ve been bamboozled again…another Hyperion CD purchased from Berkshire Record Outlet turned out to be a CD-R…this time, the Hamelin Liszt Sonata (CDA67760) from 2010. The only retailer I’ve seen that actually identifies the product as a CD-Ris HMV Japan (they also have a listing for the original CD). Haven’t listened to the entire disc yet, but the Bénédiction is stunning!!!
On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 10:43:28 AM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Frank Berger wrote:
On 3/9/2022 9:30 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
On 3/9/2022 6:50 PM, Review by Jonathan wrote:
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:58:16 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/14/2022 1:22 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 5:05:35 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/12/2022 12:51 AM, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:York Bowen
Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at BerkshireWhich CD was it? I have a lot of Hyperions from BRO and I'd like to
Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It was
factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on
glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion keeping older titles
"in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
check.
Piano Music
Stephen Hough
CDA66838
One of Stephen Hough´s best BTW - here the performer and composer areI'm going to order it. We'll see if it is a CD-R. Can you believe BRO has
very well aligned!
His British Album is also very fine.
4 Hyperion all titled "York Bowen: Piano Music?" Reminds of the Bob Newhart Show where a guy introduce his brother Darryl and his other brother Darryl.
A few more Hyperions and no other CD-Rs yet, thankfully. Frank, did your
Bowen disc turn out to be a CD-R?
I bought it, but forgot to look. Now I have to find it.
Found it. It's a CD-R. Nowhere indicated. Bought it from Berkshire Record Outlet and their listing did not indicate it was a CD-R. Not their fault, they couldn't know. Like I said, this is not a hot button issue for me, butI should know this, and I think I once did: whata's the easiest way
they really ought to indicate it. Discogs shows an original release in 1996
and an undated re-release which is not dated. I bet the original was CD and
the re-release CD-R.
to tell? I want to check a few recent Hyperion purchases from BRO.
TIA.
--
Al Eisner
CD-Rs have a blue-greenish tint on the data side, whereas CDs typically are silver.
On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:21:43 -0800, Néstor Castiglione wrote:
On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 10:43:28 AM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Frank Berger wrote:
On 3/9/2022 9:30 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
On 3/9/2022 6:50 PM, Review by Jonathan wrote:
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:58:16 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/14/2022 1:22 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 5:05:35 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/12/2022 12:51 AM, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:York Bowen
Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at BerkshireWhich CD was it? I have a lot of Hyperions from BRO and I'd like to
Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It was
factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on
glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion keeping older titles
"in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
check.
Piano Music
Stephen Hough
CDA66838
One of Stephen Hough´s best BTW - here the performer and composer areI'm going to order it. We'll see if it is a CD-R. Can you believe BRO has
very well aligned!
His British Album is also very fine.
4 Hyperion all titled "York Bowen: Piano Music?" Reminds of the Bob
Newhart Show where a guy introduce his brother Darryl and his other
brother Darryl.
A few more Hyperions and no other CD-Rs yet, thankfully. Frank, did your
Bowen disc turn out to be a CD-R?
I bought it, but forgot to look. Now I have to find it.
Found it. It's a CD-R. Nowhere indicated. Bought it from Berkshire RecordI should know this, and I think I once did: whata's the easiest way
Outlet and their listing did not indicate it was a CD-R. Not their fault,
they couldn't know. Like I said, this is not a hot button issue for me, but
they really ought to indicate it. Discogs shows an original release in 1996
and an undated re-release which is not dated. I bet the original was CD and
the re-release CD-R.
to tell? I want to check a few recent Hyperion purchases from BRO.
TIA.
--
Al Eisner
CD-Rs have a blue-greenish tint on the data side, whereas CDs typically are silver.
My Joyce Hatto CD-Rs are clear, like the CD-Rs that I
burn myself.
Google tells me that "a way to tell a CDR vs. a CD is to look at the side that plays. A CDR will have a demarcation line where the laser finished
its writing. A real CD will not have this line since it is stamped from a glass-master." This seems to be true fro the CDs and CDRs I've just looked at.
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:53:46 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote:What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs have a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I ever
On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:21:43 -0800, Néstor Castiglione wrote:
On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 10:43:28 AM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Frank Berger wrote:
On 3/9/2022 9:30 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
On 3/9/2022 6:50 PM, Review by Jonathan wrote:
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:58:16 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/14/2022 1:22 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben
Schragadove wrote:
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 5:05:35 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/12/2022 12:51 AM, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:York Bowen
Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at BerkshireWhich CD was it? I have a lot of Hyperions from BRO and I'd like to
Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It was
factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on
glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion keeping older titles
"in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
check.
Piano Music
Stephen Hough
CDA66838
One of Stephen Hough´s best BTW - here the performer and composer areI'm going to order it. We'll see if it is a CD-R. Can you believe BRO has
very well aligned!
His British Album is also very fine.
4 Hyperion all titled "York Bowen: Piano Music?" Reminds of the Bob
Newhart Show where a guy introduce his brother Darryl and his other
brother Darryl.
A few more Hyperions and no other CD-Rs yet, thankfully. Frank, did your
Bowen disc turn out to be a CD-R?
I bought it, but forgot to look. Now I have to find it.
Found it. It's a CD-R. Nowhere indicated. Bought it from Berkshire RecordI should know this, and I think I once did: whata's the easiest way
Outlet and their listing did not indicate it was a CD-R. Not their fault,
they couldn't know. Like I said, this is not a hot button issue for me, but
they really ought to indicate it. Discogs shows an original release in 1996
and an undated re-release which is not dated. I bet the original was CD and
the re-release CD-R.
to tell? I want to check a few recent Hyperion purchases from BRO. TIA.
--
Al Eisner
CD-Rs have a blue-greenish tint on the data side, whereas CDs typically are silver.
My Joyce Hatto CD-Rs are clear, like the CD-Rs that II meant clear, as in silver like a pressed CD.
burn myself.
What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed
silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs have
a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I ever receive a CD-R I send it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs
when they are advertised as CDs. If they are going to sell CD-Rs they
need to make it clear that's what they are selling.
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 10:29:55 AM UTC-7, Mikro Phonie wrote:Your opinion regarding physical media is unnecessary. I don't give a hoot what you do. People like you are so annoying, just because you rip everything doesn't mean everyone else should do the same. Have fun with your virtual collection until your hard
What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressedJust rip them to an electronic format and save the
silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs have
a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I ever receive a CD-R I send it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs when they are advertised as CDs. If they are going to sell CD-Rs they
need to make it clear that's what they are selling.
files. Physical media are unnecessary burdens.
dk
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 10:54:23 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 10:29:55 AM UTC-7, Mikro Phonie wrote:
What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed
silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs have
a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I ever receive a CD-R I send
it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs when they are advertised as CDs. If they are going to sell CD-Rs they need to make it clear that's what they are selling.
Just rip them to an electronic format and save the
files. Physical media are unnecessary burdens.
Your opinion regarding physical media is unnecessary.
I don't give a hoot what you do.
People like you are so annoying, just because you rip
everything doesn't mean everyone else should do the
same.
Have fun with your virtual collection until your hard
drive fails.
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 11:10:49 AM UTC-7, Mikro Phonie wrote:Hey Einstein, this is a discussion regarding CD-Rs, so my opinion of CD-Rs is relevant. Your unasked for opinions regarding ripping and storage of music are not relevant.
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 10:54:23 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 10:29:55 AM UTC-7, Mikro Phonie wrote:
What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed
silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs have
a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I ever receive a CD-R I send
it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs when they are advertised as CDs. If they are going to sell CD-Rs they need to make it clear that's what they are selling.
Just rip them to an electronic format and save the
files. Physical media are unnecessary burdens.
Your opinion regarding physical media is unnecessary.Just like your opinion about CD-R.
I don't give a hoot what you do.Ditto.
People like you are so annoying, just because you ripI don't rip anything. I don't have time. I have an entire
everything doesn't mean everyone else should do the
same.
garage filled with LPs and CDs.
Have fun with your virtual collection until your hardHave you heard of cloud storage? Backblaze? How
drive fails.
about when one's home burns down, or is flooded
or tornadoed? Hard drives are not the only things
that can break down.
Or how about escargots encroaching on one's
shellac?
dk
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 11:26:18 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 11:10:49 AM UTC-7, Mikro Phonie wrote:
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 10:54:23 AM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 10:29:55 AM UTC-7, Mikro Phonie wrote:
What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs have
a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I ever receive a CD-R I send
it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs
when they are advertised as CDs. If they are going to sell CD-Rs they
need to make it clear that's what they are selling.
Just rip them to an electronic format and save the
files. Physical media are unnecessary burdens.
Your opinion regarding physical media is unnecessary.Just like your opinion about CD-R.
I don't give a hoot what you do.Ditto.
People like you are so annoying, just because you ripI don't rip anything. I don't have time. I have an entire
everything doesn't mean everyone else should do the
same.
garage filled with LPs and CDs.
Have fun with your virtual collection until your hardHave you heard of cloud storage? Backblaze? How
drive fails.
about when one's home burns down, or is flooded
or tornadoed? Hard drives are not the only things
that can break down.
Or how about escargots encroaching on one's
shellac?
Hey Einstein, this is a discussion regarding CD-Rs,
so my opinion of CD-Rs is relevant. Your unasked
for opinions regarding ripping and storage of music
are not relevant.
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:receive a CD-R I send it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs when they are advertised as CDs. If they >are going to sell CD-Rs they need to make it clear that's what they are selling.
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:53:46 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote:What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs >have a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I ever
On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:21:43 -0800, Néstor Castiglione wrote:I meant clear, as in silver like a pressed CD.
On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 10:43:28 AM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Frank Berger wrote:
On 3/9/2022 9:30 PM, Frank Berger wrote:I should know this, and I think I once did: whata's the easiest way
On 3/9/2022 6:50 PM, Review by Jonathan wrote:
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:58:16 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 1/14/2022 1:22 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben >>>>>>>>>> Schragadove wrote:I'm going to order it. We'll see if it is a CD-R. Can you believe BRO has
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 5:05:35 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/12/2022 12:51 AM, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at BerkshireYork Bowen
Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It wasWhich CD was it? I have a lot of Hyperions from BRO and I'd like to
factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on
glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion keeping older titles
"in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
check.
Piano Music
Stephen Hough
CDA66838
One of Stephen Hough´s best BTW - here the performer and composer are
very well aligned!
His British Album is also very fine.
4 Hyperion all titled "York Bowen: Piano Music?" Reminds of the Bob >>>>>>>>> Newhart Show where a guy introduce his brother Darryl and his other >>>>>>>>> brother Darryl.
A few more Hyperions and no other CD-Rs yet, thankfully. Frank, did your
Bowen disc turn out to be a CD-R?
I bought it, but forgot to look. Now I have to find it.
Found it. It's a CD-R. Nowhere indicated. Bought it from Berkshire Record
Outlet and their listing did not indicate it was a CD-R. Not their fault,
they couldn't know. Like I said, this is not a hot button issue for me, but
they really ought to indicate it. Discogs shows an original release in 1996
and an undated re-release which is not dated. I bet the original was CD and
the re-release CD-R.
to tell? I want to check a few recent Hyperion purchases from BRO.
TIA.
--
Al Eisner
CD-Rs have a blue-greenish tint on the data side, whereas CDs typically are silver.
My Joyce Hatto CD-Rs are clear, like the CD-Rs that I
burn myself.
On 3/27/2023 1:29 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:receive a CD-R I send it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs when they are advertised as CDs. If they >are going to sell CD-Rs they need to make it clear that's what they are selling.
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:53:46 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote:What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs >have a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I ever
On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:21:43 -0800, Néstor Castiglione wrote:I meant clear, as in silver like a pressed CD.
On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 10:43:28 AM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Frank Berger wrote:
On 3/9/2022 9:30 PM, Frank Berger wrote:I should know this, and I think I once did: whata's the easiest way >>>>> to tell? I want to check a few recent Hyperion purchases from BRO. >>>>> TIA.
On 3/9/2022 6:50 PM, Review by Jonathan wrote:
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:58:16 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/14/2022 1:22 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben >>>>>>>>>> Schragadove wrote:I'm going to order it. We'll see if it is a CD-R. Can you believe BRO has
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 5:05:35 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/12/2022 12:51 AM, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at BerkshireYork Bowen
Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It wasWhich CD was it? I have a lot of Hyperions from BRO and I'd like to
factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on
glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion keeping older titles
"in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
check.
Piano Music
Stephen Hough
CDA66838
One of Stephen Hough´s best BTW - here the performer and composer are
very well aligned!
His British Album is also very fine.
4 Hyperion all titled "York Bowen: Piano Music?" Reminds of the Bob
Newhart Show where a guy introduce his brother Darryl and his other
brother Darryl.
A few more Hyperions and no other CD-Rs yet, thankfully. Frank, did your
Bowen disc turn out to be a CD-R?
I bought it, but forgot to look. Now I have to find it.
Found it. It's a CD-R. Nowhere indicated. Bought it from Berkshire Record
Outlet and their listing did not indicate it was a CD-R. Not their fault,
they couldn't know. Like I said, this is not a hot button issue for me, but
they really ought to indicate it. Discogs shows an original release in 1996
and an undated re-release which is not dated. I bet the original was CD and
the re-release CD-R.
--
Al Eisner
CD-Rs have a blue-greenish tint on the data side, whereas CDs typically are silver.
My Joyce Hatto CD-Rs are clear, like the CD-Rs that I
burn myself.
Every time this subject comes up I say the same thing. I agree that seller should disclose that they are selling CD-Rs. Not because it really matters, but because some people think it does and they are entitled to know what they are getting.unknowingly at the time) and they also play fine. I have yet to have a single CD-R go bad. For that matter, I have a cassette recorded by a friend for me around 1975, containing Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon and Queen's A Night at the Opera that I
Also, every time someone asserts something about the lack of longevity of CD-Rs, I grab a half dozen CD-Rs that I burned myself years 30 or so years ago. They always play perfectly. Including today. Also I grab a couple of CD-Rs that I bought (perhaps
I do not keep my media on the dashboard of my car in the hot sun, or use them as coasters or frisbies. That may have has much to do with their longevity as anything else.You must be the luckiest person in the world to not ever have a problem with a CD-R. You should buy a lottery ticket! First of all CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath as factory pressed silver CDs, so they can more easily be damaged.
I concluded years ago that the crap about CD-R longevity was mostly conspiracy theory stuff.
CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath as
factory pressed silver CDs, so they can more easily be damaged.
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 12:18:12 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:receive a CD-R I send it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs when they are advertised as CDs. If they >are going to sell CD-Rs they need to make it clear that's what they are selling.
On 3/27/2023 1:29 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:53:46 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote:What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs >have a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I ever
On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:21:43 -0800, Néstor Castiglione wrote:I meant clear, as in silver like a pressed CD.
On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 10:43:28 AM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Frank Berger wrote:
On 3/9/2022 9:30 PM, Frank Berger wrote:I should know this, and I think I once did: whata's the easiest way >>>>>>> to tell? I want to check a few recent Hyperion purchases from BRO. >>>>>>> TIA.
On 3/9/2022 6:50 PM, Review by Jonathan wrote:
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:58:16 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/14/2022 1:22 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben >>>>>>>>>>>> Schragadove wrote:I'm going to order it. We'll see if it is a CD-R. Can you believe BRO has
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 5:05:35 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/12/2022 12:51 AM, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at BerkshireYork Bowen
Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It wasWhich CD was it? I have a lot of Hyperions from BRO and I'd like to
factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on
glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion keeping older titles
"in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
check.
Piano Music
Stephen Hough
CDA66838
One of Stephen Hough´s best BTW - here the performer and composer are
very well aligned!
His British Album is also very fine.
4 Hyperion all titled "York Bowen: Piano Music?" Reminds of the Bob >>>>>>>>>>> Newhart Show where a guy introduce his brother Darryl and his other >>>>>>>>>>> brother Darryl.
A few more Hyperions and no other CD-Rs yet, thankfully. Frank, did your
Bowen disc turn out to be a CD-R?
I bought it, but forgot to look. Now I have to find it.
Found it. It's a CD-R. Nowhere indicated. Bought it from Berkshire Record
Outlet and their listing did not indicate it was a CD-R. Not their fault,
they couldn't know. Like I said, this is not a hot button issue for me, but
they really ought to indicate it. Discogs shows an original release in 1996
and an undated re-release which is not dated. I bet the original was CD and
the re-release CD-R.
--
Al Eisner
CD-Rs have a blue-greenish tint on the data side, whereas CDs typically are silver.
My Joyce Hatto CD-Rs are clear, like the CD-Rs that I
burn myself.
unknowingly at the time) and they also play fine. I have yet to have a single CD-R go bad. For that matter, I have a cassette recorded by a friend for me around 1975, containing Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon and Queen's A Night at the Opera that IEvery time this subject comes up I say the same thing. I agree that seller should disclose that they are selling CD-Rs. Not because it really matters, but because some people think it does and they are entitled to know what they are getting.
Also, every time someone asserts something about the lack of longevity of CD-Rs, I grab a half dozen CD-Rs that I burned myself years 30 or so years ago. They always play perfectly. Including today. Also I grab a couple of CD-Rs that I bought (perhaps
You must be the luckiest person in the world to not ever have a problem with a CD-R. You should buy a lottery ticket! First of all CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath as factory pressed silver CDs, so they can more easily be damaged.
I do not keep my media on the dashboard of my car in the hot sun, or use them as coasters or frisbies. That may have has much to do with their longevity as anything else.
I concluded years ago that the crap about CD-R longevity was mostly conspiracy theory stuff.
And no, I don't scratch my CDs so that's not the reason they don't play. Second of all, many CD-Rs have issues with the dyes used which cause them to become unplayable. So opposed to your >alleged experience with perfect CD-Rs I'll just state thatalmost all the CD-Rs I've burned have started to glitch,
and the CD-Rs I've inadvertently bought from dishonest sellers have started to glitch also. CD-Rs are disposable junk and you'll find that out eventually.
Also CD-Rs have no resale value. So >enjoy your junky CD-Rs while they last.
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 1:19:12 PM UTC-7, Mikro Phonie wrote:You're completely clueless aren't you? I never said the "silver" (aluminum) layer is what protects CDs. Factory pressed CDs have an extra layer of plastic at the bottom of the disc which helps protect against scratches. CD-Rs do not have the same extra
CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath asThe "silver" layer is actually aluminum, and it oxidizes
factory pressed silver CDs, so they can more easily be damaged.
faster than anyone would have imagined. The reason
for having it is merely to provide a light reflecting layer.
It does not "protect" against anything physical hazards.
dk
On 3/27/2023 4:19 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:receive a CD-R I send it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs when they are advertised as CDs. If they >are going to sell CD-Rs they need to make it clear that's what they are selling.
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 12:18:12 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
On 3/27/2023 1:29 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:53:46 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote:What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs >have a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I ever
On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:21:43 -0800, Néstor Castiglione wrote:I meant clear, as in silver like a pressed CD.
On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 10:43:28 AM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Frank Berger wrote:
On 3/9/2022 9:30 PM, Frank Berger wrote:I should know this, and I think I once did: whata's the easiest way >>>>>>> to tell? I want to check a few recent Hyperion purchases from BRO. >>>>>>> TIA.
On 3/9/2022 6:50 PM, Review by Jonathan wrote:
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:58:16 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/14/2022 1:22 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben >>>>>>>>>>>> Schragadove wrote:I'm going to order it. We'll see if it is a CD-R. Can you believe BRO has
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 5:05:35 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/12/2022 12:51 AM, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at BerkshireYork Bowen
Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It wasWhich CD was it? I have a lot of Hyperions from BRO and I'd like to
factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on
glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion keeping older titles
"in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
check.
Piano Music
Stephen Hough
CDA66838
One of Stephen Hough´s best BTW - here the performer and composer are
very well aligned!
His British Album is also very fine.
4 Hyperion all titled "York Bowen: Piano Music?" Reminds of the Bob
Newhart Show where a guy introduce his brother Darryl and his other
brother Darryl.
A few more Hyperions and no other CD-Rs yet, thankfully. Frank, did your
Bowen disc turn out to be a CD-R?
I bought it, but forgot to look. Now I have to find it.
Found it. It's a CD-R. Nowhere indicated. Bought it from Berkshire Record
Outlet and their listing did not indicate it was a CD-R. Not their fault,
they couldn't know. Like I said, this is not a hot button issue for me, but
they really ought to indicate it. Discogs shows an original release in 1996
and an undated re-release which is not dated. I bet the original was CD and
the re-release CD-R.
--
Al Eisner
CD-Rs have a blue-greenish tint on the data side, whereas CDs typically are silver.
My Joyce Hatto CD-Rs are clear, like the CD-Rs that I
burn myself.
perhaps unknowingly at the time) and they also play fine. I have yet to have a single CD-R go bad. For that matter, I have a cassette recorded by a friend for me around 1975, containing Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon and Queen's A Night at the OperaEvery time this subject comes up I say the same thing. I agree that seller should disclose that they are selling CD-Rs. Not because it really matters, but because some people think it does and they are entitled to know what they are getting.
Also, every time someone asserts something about the lack of longevity of CD-Rs, I grab a half dozen CD-Rs that I burned myself years 30 or so years ago. They always play perfectly. Including today. Also I grab a couple of CD-Rs that I bought (
damaged.You must be the luckiest person in the world to not ever have a problem with a CD-R. You should buy a lottery ticket! First of all CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath as factory pressed silver CDs, so they can more easily be
I do not keep my media on the dashboard of my car in the hot sun, or use them as coasters or frisbies. That may have has much to do with their longevity as anything else.
I concluded years ago that the crap about CD-R longevity was mostly conspiracy theory stuff.
As I said, I don't abuse my CD-Rs. YMMV.almost all the CD-Rs I've burned have started to glitch,
And no, I don't scratch my CDs so that's not the reason they don't play. Second of all, many CD-Rs have issues with the dyes used which cause them to become unplayable. So opposed to your >alleged experience with perfect CD-Rs I'll just state that
I've always purchased the best CD-Rs available. Virtually all Taiyo Yuden. No dye problem AFAIK.Try selling your CD-Rs to a used record store or on Discogs and see what you can get for them. Nuthin. Might as well toss them in the trash.
and the CD-Rs I've inadvertently bought from dishonest sellers have started to glitch also. CD-Rs are disposable junk and you'll find that out eventually.I don't expect to live that long.
Also CD-Rs have no resale value. So >enjoy your junky CD-Rs while they last.I'll sell them to suckers.
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 3:18:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:receive a CD-R I send it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs when they are advertised as CDs. If they >are going to sell CD-Rs they need to make it clear that's what they are selling.
On 3/27/2023 4:19 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 12:18:12 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
On 3/27/2023 1:29 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:53:46 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote:
What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs >have a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I ever
On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:21:43 -0800, Néstor Castiglione wrote:I meant clear, as in silver like a pressed CD.
On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 10:43:28 AM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Frank Berger wrote:
On 3/9/2022 9:30 PM, Frank Berger wrote:I should know this, and I think I once did: whata's the easiest way >>>>>>>>> to tell? I want to check a few recent Hyperion purchases from BRO. >>>>>>>>> TIA.
On 3/9/2022 6:50 PM, Review by Jonathan wrote:
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:58:16 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/14/2022 1:22 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Schragadove wrote:I'm going to order it. We'll see if it is a CD-R. Can you believe BRO has
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 5:05:35 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/12/2022 12:51 AM, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at BerkshireYork Bowen
Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It wasWhich CD was it? I have a lot of Hyperions from BRO and I'd like to
factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on
glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion keeping older titles
"in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
check.
Piano Music
Stephen Hough
CDA66838
One of Stephen Hough´s best BTW - here the performer and composer are
very well aligned!
His British Album is also very fine.
4 Hyperion all titled "York Bowen: Piano Music?" Reminds of the Bob
Newhart Show where a guy introduce his brother Darryl and his other
brother Darryl.
A few more Hyperions and no other CD-Rs yet, thankfully. Frank, did your
Bowen disc turn out to be a CD-R?
I bought it, but forgot to look. Now I have to find it.
Found it. It's a CD-R. Nowhere indicated. Bought it from Berkshire Record
Outlet and their listing did not indicate it was a CD-R. Not their fault,
they couldn't know. Like I said, this is not a hot button issue for me, but
they really ought to indicate it. Discogs shows an original release in 1996
and an undated re-release which is not dated. I bet the original was CD and
the re-release CD-R.
--
Al Eisner
CD-Rs have a blue-greenish tint on the data side, whereas CDs typically are silver.
My Joyce Hatto CD-Rs are clear, like the CD-Rs that I
burn myself.
perhaps unknowingly at the time) and they also play fine. I have yet to have a single CD-R go bad. For that matter, I have a cassette recorded by a friend for me around 1975, containing Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon and Queen's A Night at the OperaEvery time this subject comes up I say the same thing. I agree that seller should disclose that they are selling CD-Rs. Not because it really matters, but because some people think it does and they are entitled to know what they are getting.
Also, every time someone asserts something about the lack of longevity of CD-Rs, I grab a half dozen CD-Rs that I burned myself years 30 or so years ago. They always play perfectly. Including today. Also I grab a couple of CD-Rs that I bought (
damaged.You must be the luckiest person in the world to not ever have a problem with a CD-R. You should buy a lottery ticket! First of all CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath as factory pressed silver CDs, so they can more easily be
I do not keep my media on the dashboard of my car in the hot sun, or use them as coasters or frisbies. That may have has much to do with their longevity as anything else.
I concluded years ago that the crap about CD-R longevity was mostly conspiracy theory stuff.
almost all the CD-Rs I've burned have started to glitch,As I said, I don't abuse my CD-Rs. YMMV.
And no, I don't scratch my CDs so that's not the reason they don't play. Second of all, many CD-Rs have issues with the dyes used which cause them to become unplayable. So opposed to your >alleged experience with perfect CD-Rs I'll just state that
I've always purchased the best CD-Rs available. Virtually all Taiyo Yuden. No dye problem AFAIK.Try selling your CD-Rs to a used record store or on Discogs and see what you can get for them. Nuthin. Might as well toss them in the trash.
and the CD-Rs I've inadvertently bought from dishonest sellers have started to glitch also. CD-Rs are disposable junk and you'll find that out eventually.I don't expect to live that long.
Also CD-Rs have no resale value. So >enjoy your junky CD-Rs while they last.I'll sell them to suckers.
On 3/27/2023 7:42 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:ever receive a CD-R I send it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs when they are advertised as CDs. If they >are going to sell CD-Rs they need to make it clear that's what they are selling.
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 3:18:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
On 3/27/2023 4:19 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 12:18:12 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote: >>>> On 3/27/2023 1:29 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:53:46 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote:
What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs >have a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I
On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:21:43 -0800, Néstor Castiglione wrote: >>>>>>>I meant clear, as in silver like a pressed CD.
On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 10:43:28 AM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Frank Berger wrote:
On 3/9/2022 9:30 PM, Frank Berger wrote:I should know this, and I think I once did: whata's the easiest way
On 3/9/2022 6:50 PM, Review by Jonathan wrote:Found it. It's a CD-R. Nowhere indicated. Bought it from Berkshire Record
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:58:16 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/14/2022 1:22 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-5, Jonathan BenI'm going to order it. We'll see if it is a CD-R. Can you believe BRO has
Schragadove wrote:
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 5:05:35 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/12/2022 12:51 AM, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at BerkshireYork Bowen
Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It wasWhich CD was it? I have a lot of Hyperions from BRO and I'd like to
factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on
glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion keeping older titles
"in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
check.
Piano Music
Stephen Hough
CDA66838
One of Stephen Hough´s best BTW - here the performer and composer are
very well aligned!
His British Album is also very fine.
4 Hyperion all titled "York Bowen: Piano Music?" Reminds of the Bob
Newhart Show where a guy introduce his brother Darryl and his other
brother Darryl.
A few more Hyperions and no other CD-Rs yet, thankfully. Frank, did your
Bowen disc turn out to be a CD-R?
I bought it, but forgot to look. Now I have to find it. >>>>>>>>>>
Outlet and their listing did not indicate it was a CD-R. Not their fault,
they couldn't know. Like I said, this is not a hot button issue for me, but
they really ought to indicate it. Discogs shows an original release in 1996
and an undated re-release which is not dated. I bet the original was CD and
the re-release CD-R.
to tell? I want to check a few recent Hyperion purchases from BRO. >>>>>>>>> TIA.
--
Al Eisner
CD-Rs have a blue-greenish tint on the data side, whereas CDs typically are silver.
My Joyce Hatto CD-Rs are clear, like the CD-Rs that I
burn myself.
perhaps unknowingly at the time) and they also play fine. I have yet to have a single CD-R go bad. For that matter, I have a cassette recorded by a friend for me around 1975, containing Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon and Queen's A Night at the OperaEvery time this subject comes up I say the same thing. I agree that seller should disclose that they are selling CD-Rs. Not because it really matters, but because some people think it does and they are entitled to know what they are getting.
Also, every time someone asserts something about the lack of longevity of CD-Rs, I grab a half dozen CD-Rs that I burned myself years 30 or so years ago. They always play perfectly. Including today. Also I grab a couple of CD-Rs that I bought (
damaged.You must be the luckiest person in the world to not ever have a problem with a CD-R. You should buy a lottery ticket! First of all CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath as factory pressed silver CDs, so they can more easily be
I do not keep my media on the dashboard of my car in the hot sun, or use them as coasters or frisbies. That may have has much to do with their longevity as anything else.
I concluded years ago that the crap about CD-R longevity was mostly conspiracy theory stuff.
almost all the CD-Rs I've burned have started to glitch,As I said, I don't abuse my CD-Rs. YMMV.
And no, I don't scratch my CDs so that's not the reason they don't play. Second of all, many CD-Rs have issues with the dyes used which cause them to become unplayable. So opposed to your >alleged experience with perfect CD-Rs I'll just state that
almost non-issue matter so much to you?I was joking. I have so few CD-Rs in my collection that the question of selling them is irrelevant. Also, why is an occasional failure of a CD-R which must account for a small percentage of just about anyone's collection, actually matter. Why does thisI've always purchased the best CD-Rs available. Virtually all Taiyo Yuden. No dye problem AFAIK.Try selling your CD-Rs to a used record store or on Discogs and see what you can get for them. Nuthin. Might as well toss them in the trash.
and the CD-Rs I've inadvertently bought from dishonest sellers have started to glitch also. CD-Rs are disposable junk and you'll find that out eventually.I don't expect to live that long.
Also CD-Rs have no resale value. So >enjoy your junky CD-Rs while they last.I'll sell them to suckers.
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 4:55:25 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:ever receive a CD-R I send it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs when they are advertised as CDs. If they >are going to sell CD-Rs they need to make it clear that's what they are selling.
On 3/27/2023 7:42 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 3:18:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
On 3/27/2023 4:19 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 12:18:12 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote: >>>>>> On 3/27/2023 1:29 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:53:46 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote:
What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs >have a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I
On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:21:43 -0800, Néstor Castiglione wrote: >>>>>>>>>I meant clear, as in silver like a pressed CD.
On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 10:43:28 AM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Frank Berger wrote:
On 3/9/2022 9:30 PM, Frank Berger wrote:I should know this, and I think I once did: whata's the easiest way >>>>>>>>>>> to tell? I want to check a few recent Hyperion purchases from BRO. >>>>>>>>>>> TIA.
On 3/9/2022 6:50 PM, Review by Jonathan wrote:Found it. It's a CD-R. Nowhere indicated. Bought it from Berkshire Record
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:58:16 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/14/2022 1:22 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Schragadove wrote:I'm going to order it. We'll see if it is a CD-R. Can you believe BRO has
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 5:05:35 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/12/2022 12:51 AM, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at BerkshireYork Bowen
Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It wasWhich CD was it? I have a lot of Hyperions from BRO and I'd like to
factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on
glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion keeping older titles
"in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
check.
Piano Music
Stephen Hough
CDA66838
One of Stephen Hough´s best BTW - here the performer and composer are
very well aligned!
His British Album is also very fine.
4 Hyperion all titled "York Bowen: Piano Music?" Reminds of the Bob
Newhart Show where a guy introduce his brother Darryl and his other
brother Darryl.
A few more Hyperions and no other CD-Rs yet, thankfully. Frank, did your
Bowen disc turn out to be a CD-R?
I bought it, but forgot to look. Now I have to find it. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Outlet and their listing did not indicate it was a CD-R. Not their fault,
they couldn't know. Like I said, this is not a hot button issue for me, but
they really ought to indicate it. Discogs shows an original release in 1996
and an undated re-release which is not dated. I bet the original was CD and
the re-release CD-R.
--
Al Eisner
CD-Rs have a blue-greenish tint on the data side, whereas CDs typically are silver.
My Joyce Hatto CD-Rs are clear, like the CD-Rs that I
burn myself.
perhaps unknowingly at the time) and they also play fine. I have yet to have a single CD-R go bad. For that matter, I have a cassette recorded by a friend for me around 1975, containing Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon and Queen's A Night at the OperaEvery time this subject comes up I say the same thing. I agree that seller should disclose that they are selling CD-Rs. Not because it really matters, but because some people think it does and they are entitled to know what they are getting.
Also, every time someone asserts something about the lack of longevity of CD-Rs, I grab a half dozen CD-Rs that I burned myself years 30 or so years ago. They always play perfectly. Including today. Also I grab a couple of CD-Rs that I bought (
damaged.You must be the luckiest person in the world to not ever have a problem with a CD-R. You should buy a lottery ticket! First of all CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath as factory pressed silver CDs, so they can more easily be
I do not keep my media on the dashboard of my car in the hot sun, or use them as coasters or frisbies. That may have has much to do with their longevity as anything else.
I concluded years ago that the crap about CD-R longevity was mostly conspiracy theory stuff.
almost all the CD-Rs I've burned have started to glitch,As I said, I don't abuse my CD-Rs. YMMV.
And no, I don't scratch my CDs so that's not the reason they don't play. Second of all, many CD-Rs have issues with the dyes used which cause them to become unplayable. So opposed to your >alleged experience with perfect CD-Rs I'll just state that
this almost non-issue matter so much to you?I was joking. I have so few CD-Rs in my collection that the question of selling them is irrelevant. Also, why is an occasional failure of a CD-R which must account for a small percentage of just about anyone's collection, actually matter. Why doesI've always purchased the best CD-Rs available. Virtually all Taiyo Yuden. No dye problem AFAIK.Try selling your CD-Rs to a used record store or on Discogs and see what you can get for them. Nuthin. Might as well toss them in the trash.
and the CD-Rs I've inadvertently bought from dishonest sellers have started to glitch also. CD-Rs are disposable junk and you'll find that out eventually.I don't expect to live that long.
Also CD-Rs have no resale value. So >enjoy your junky CD-Rs while they last.I'll sell them to suckers.
Seems like it matters more to you. You're the one who has been blathering on about how great CD-Rs are for more than a year.
A Naxos March 2023 release purchased in the U.S. was a CD-R, the first of that type I’ve ever encountered from that label. I’ve written to Naxos but have not yet received an explanation.keeping older titles "in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
The major issue here, as JBS noted, is a lack of disclosure. Many purchasers, like a Brooklyn-based YouTube reviewer, don’t have an issue with CD-RsOn Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 2:16:56 AM UTC-4, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 9:51:50 PM UTC-8, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at Berkshire Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It was factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion
is HMV Japan (they also have a listing for the original CD). Haven’t listened to the entire disc yet, but the Bénédiction is stunning!!!I’ve been bamboozled again…another Hyperion CD purchased from Berkshire Record Outlet turned out to be a CD-R…this time, the Hamelin Liszt Sonata (CDA67760) from 2010. The only retailer I’ve seen that actually identifies the product as a CD-R
On 3/27/2023 8:12 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:ever receive a CD-R I send it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs when they are advertised as CDs. If they >are going to sell CD-Rs they need to make it clear that's what they are selling.
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 4:55:25 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
On 3/27/2023 7:42 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 3:18:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote: >>>> On 3/27/2023 4:19 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 12:18:12 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote: >>>>>> On 3/27/2023 1:29 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:53:46 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote:
What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs >have a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I
On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:21:43 -0800, Néstor Castiglione wrote: >>>>>>>>>I meant clear, as in silver like a pressed CD.
On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 10:43:28 AM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Frank Berger wrote:
On 3/9/2022 9:30 PM, Frank Berger wrote:I should know this, and I think I once did: whata's the easiest way
On 3/9/2022 6:50 PM, Review by Jonathan wrote:Found it. It's a CD-R. Nowhere indicated. Bought it from Berkshire Record
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:58:16 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/14/2022 1:22 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-5, Jonathan BenI'm going to order it. We'll see if it is a CD-R. Can you believe BRO has
Schragadove wrote:
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 5:05:35 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/12/2022 12:51 AM, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at BerkshireYork Bowen
Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It wascheck.
factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on
glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion keeping older titles
"in print" these days by burning CD-R's? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which CD was it? I have a lot of Hyperions from BRO and I'd like to
Piano Music
Stephen Hough
CDA66838
One of Stephen Hough´s best BTW - here the performer and composer are
very well aligned!
His British Album is also very fine.
4 Hyperion all titled "York Bowen: Piano Music?" Reminds of the Bob
Newhart Show where a guy introduce his brother Darryl and his other
brother Darryl.
A few more Hyperions and no other CD-Rs yet, thankfully. Frank, did your
Bowen disc turn out to be a CD-R?
I bought it, but forgot to look. Now I have to find it. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Outlet and their listing did not indicate it was a CD-R. Not their fault,
they couldn't know. Like I said, this is not a hot button issue for me, but
they really ought to indicate it. Discogs shows an original release in 1996
and an undated re-release which is not dated. I bet the original was CD and
the re-release CD-R.
to tell? I want to check a few recent Hyperion purchases from BRO.
TIA.
--
Al Eisner
CD-Rs have a blue-greenish tint on the data side, whereas CDs typically are silver.
My Joyce Hatto CD-Rs are clear, like the CD-Rs that I
burn myself.
perhaps unknowingly at the time) and they also play fine. I have yet to have a single CD-R go bad. For that matter, I have a cassette recorded by a friend for me around 1975, containing Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon and Queen's A Night at the OperaEvery time this subject comes up I say the same thing. I agree that seller should disclose that they are selling CD-Rs. Not because it really matters, but because some people think it does and they are entitled to know what they are getting.
Also, every time someone asserts something about the lack of longevity of CD-Rs, I grab a half dozen CD-Rs that I burned myself years 30 or so years ago. They always play perfectly. Including today. Also I grab a couple of CD-Rs that I bought (
damaged.You must be the luckiest person in the world to not ever have a problem with a CD-R. You should buy a lottery ticket! First of all CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath as factory pressed silver CDs, so they can more easily be
I do not keep my media on the dashboard of my car in the hot sun, or use them as coasters or frisbies. That may have has much to do with their longevity as anything else.
I concluded years ago that the crap about CD-R longevity was mostly conspiracy theory stuff.
that almost all the CD-Rs I've burned have started to glitch,As I said, I don't abuse my CD-Rs. YMMV.
And no, I don't scratch my CDs so that's not the reason they don't play. Second of all, many CD-Rs have issues with the dyes used which cause them to become unplayable. So opposed to your >alleged experience with perfect CD-Rs I'll just state
this almost non-issue matter so much to you?I was joking. I have so few CD-Rs in my collection that the question of selling them is irrelevant. Also, why is an occasional failure of a CD-R which must account for a small percentage of just about anyone's collection, actually matter. Why doesI've always purchased the best CD-Rs available. Virtually all Taiyo Yuden. No dye problem AFAIK.Try selling your CD-Rs to a used record store or on Discogs and see what you can get for them. Nuthin. Might as well toss them in the trash.
and the CD-Rs I've inadvertently bought from dishonest sellers have started to glitch also. CD-Rs are disposable junk and you'll find that out eventually.I don't expect to live that long.
Also CD-Rs have no resale value. So >enjoy your junky CD-Rs while they last.I'll sell them to suckers.
First, you lost the argument. Second, I count 24 posts of yours in this thread since it started over a year ago. That qualifies as blathering. Now go play with your glitch-ridden garbage CD-Rs.Seems like it matters more to you. You're the one who has been blathering on about how great CD-Rs are for more than a year.Every time I win an argument I'm accused of blathering. When was the last time I mentioned it, since you obviously looked it up. More than a year ago, I bet. Blathering. Right.
You don't agree with what I am saying so you starting to get personal. Fuck off.
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:22:42 AM UTC-7, Jerry wrote:Hyperion keeping older titles "in print" these days by burning CD-R's?
A Naxos March 2023 release purchased in the U.S. was a CD-R, the first of that type I’ve ever encountered from that label. I’ve written to Naxos but have not yet received an explanation.
The major issue here, as JBS noted, is a lack of disclosure. Many purchasers, like a Brooklyn-based YouTube reviewer, don’t have an issue with CD-RsOn Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 2:16:56 AM UTC-4, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 9:51:50 PM UTC-8, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at Berkshire Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It was factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on glossy paper (not laser printed). Is
R is HMV Japan (they also have a listing for the original CD). Haven’t listened to the entire disc yet, but the Bénédiction is stunning!!!I’ve been bamboozled again…another Hyperion CD purchased from Berkshire Record Outlet turned out to be a CD-R…this time, the Hamelin Liszt Sonata (CDA67760) from 2010. The only retailer I’ve seen that actually identifies the product as a CD-
Would be interested to hear Naxos' response, especially given that it's a new release. My experience so far with Hyperion, Sony, and Chandos CD-Rs have been with older titles - presumably their excuse is that it's not cost effective for them to doanother run since physical sales are so low.
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 5:24:13 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:ever receive a CD-R I send it back. It is completely dishonest for labels to send customers CD-Rs when they are advertised as CDs. If they >are going to sell CD-Rs they need to make it clear that's what they are selling.
On 3/27/2023 8:12 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 4:55:25 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
On 3/27/2023 7:42 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 3:18:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote: >>>>>> On 3/27/2023 4:19 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 12:18:12 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote: >>>>>>>> On 3/27/2023 1:29 PM, Mikro Phonie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:53:46 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote:
What you people fail to realize is that CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath that glass mastered factory pressed silver CDs have. And CD-Rs have no resale value. And CD-Rs >have a short lifespan and will start to glitch. If I
On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:21:43 -0800, Néstor Castiglione wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>I meant clear, as in silver like a pressed CD.
On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 10:43:28 AM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Frank Berger wrote:
On 3/9/2022 9:30 PM, Frank Berger wrote:I should know this, and I think I once did: whata's the easiest way
On 3/9/2022 6:50 PM, Review by Jonathan wrote:Found it. It's a CD-R. Nowhere indicated. Bought it from Berkshire Record
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:58:16 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/14/2022 1:22 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-5, Jonathan BenI'm going to order it. We'll see if it is a CD-R. Can you believe BRO has
Schragadove wrote:
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 5:05:35 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/12/2022 12:51 AM, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was surprised when I opened a Hyperion disc purchased at BerkshireYork Bowen
Record Outlet and it was a CD-R. First time that's happened. It wascheck.
factory-sealed (no saran wrap), and the booklet looked original on
glossy paper (not laser printed). Is Hyperion keeping older titles
"in print" these days by burning CD-R's? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which CD was it? I have a lot of Hyperions from BRO and I'd like to
Piano Music
Stephen Hough
CDA66838
One of Stephen Hough´s best BTW - here the performer and composer are
very well aligned!
His British Album is also very fine.
4 Hyperion all titled "York Bowen: Piano Music?" Reminds of the Bob
Newhart Show where a guy introduce his brother Darryl and his other
brother Darryl.
A few more Hyperions and no other CD-Rs yet, thankfully. Frank, did your
Bowen disc turn out to be a CD-R?
I bought it, but forgot to look. Now I have to find it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Outlet and their listing did not indicate it was a CD-R. Not their fault,
they couldn't know. Like I said, this is not a hot button issue for me, but
they really ought to indicate it. Discogs shows an original release in 1996
and an undated re-release which is not dated. I bet the original was CD and
the re-release CD-R.
to tell? I want to check a few recent Hyperion purchases from BRO.
TIA.
--
Al Eisner
CD-Rs have a blue-greenish tint on the data side, whereas CDs typically are silver.
My Joyce Hatto CD-Rs are clear, like the CD-Rs that I
burn myself.
perhaps unknowingly at the time) and they also play fine. I have yet to have a single CD-R go bad. For that matter, I have a cassette recorded by a friend for me around 1975, containing Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon and Queen's A Night at the OperaEvery time this subject comes up I say the same thing. I agree that seller should disclose that they are selling CD-Rs. Not because it really matters, but because some people think it does and they are entitled to know what they are getting.
Also, every time someone asserts something about the lack of longevity of CD-Rs, I grab a half dozen CD-Rs that I burned myself years 30 or so years ago. They always play perfectly. Including today. Also I grab a couple of CD-Rs that I bought (
damaged.You must be the luckiest person in the world to not ever have a problem with a CD-R. You should buy a lottery ticket! First of all CD-Rs do not have the same protective layer underneath as factory pressed silver CDs, so they can more easily be
I do not keep my media on the dashboard of my car in the hot sun, or use them as coasters or frisbies. That may have has much to do with their longevity as anything else.
I concluded years ago that the crap about CD-R longevity was mostly conspiracy theory stuff.
that almost all the CD-Rs I've burned have started to glitch,As I said, I don't abuse my CD-Rs. YMMV.
And no, I don't scratch my CDs so that's not the reason they don't play. Second of all, many CD-Rs have issues with the dyes used which cause them to become unplayable. So opposed to your >alleged experience with perfect CD-Rs I'll just state
this almost non-issue matter so much to you?I was joking. I have so few CD-Rs in my collection that the question of selling them is irrelevant. Also, why is an occasional failure of a CD-R which must account for a small percentage of just about anyone's collection, actually matter. Why doesI've always purchased the best CD-Rs available. Virtually all Taiyo Yuden. No dye problem AFAIK.Try selling your CD-Rs to a used record store or on Discogs and see what you can get for them. Nuthin. Might as well toss them in the trash.
and the CD-Rs I've inadvertently bought from dishonest sellers have started to glitch also. CD-Rs are disposable junk and you'll find that out eventually.I don't expect to live that long.
Also CD-Rs have no resale value. So >enjoy your junky CD-Rs while they last.I'll sell them to suckers.
First, you lost the argument. Second, I count 24 posts of yours in this thread since it started over a year ago. That qualifies as blathering. Now go play with your glitch-ridden garbage CD-Rs.Seems like it matters more to you. You're the one who has been blathering on about how great CD-Rs are for more than a year.Every time I win an argument I'm accused of blathering. When was the last time I mentioned it, since you obviously looked it up. More than a year ago, I bet. Blathering. Right.
You don't agree with what I am saying so you starting to get personal. Fuck off.
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