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  • Arrau Schubert 894

    From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 5 02:46:59 2023
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbwmId4m4h4&ab_channel=FirstPublicChannel

    I'm enjoying the way he balances the LH and RH, and lets the notes resound, to create interesting harmonies.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Fri May 5 02:50:25 2023
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 2:47:02 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbwmId4m4h4

    I'm enjoying the way he balances the LH and RH, and
    lets the notes resound, to create interesting harmonies.

    Listen to a real pianist for a change:

    https://youtu.be/Mjn3NW0LftI

    dk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Fri May 5 02:52:15 2023
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 10:50:28 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 2:47:02 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbwmId4m4h4

    I'm enjoying the way he balances the LH and RH, and
    lets the notes resound, to create interesting harmonies.
    Listen to a real pianist for a change:

    https://youtu.be/Mjn3NW0LftI


    Interesting to contrast that with the Arrau I agree.

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Fri May 5 04:18:28 2023
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 5. Mai 2023 um 11:50:28 UTC+2:
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 2:47:02 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbwmId4m4h4

    I'm enjoying the way he balances the LH and RH, and
    lets the notes resound, to create interesting harmonies.
    Listen to a real pianist for a change:

    https://youtu.be/Mjn3NW0LftI

    dk

    It's probably my favourite version alongside Lupu's (not sure which I like more as of yet) - I think he also ornaments less than Lupu which I seemed to prefer...

    I don't like Richter, Brendel, Uchida, Sokolov, Arrau, Gieseking and others here... just listened a bit to Kempff... his trills are so god damn crude... I don't understand what Arri likes about Kempff...

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Marc S on Fri May 5 06:04:48 2023
    Marc S schrieb am Freitag, 5. Mai 2023 um 13:18:30 UTC+2:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 5. Mai 2023 um 11:50:28 UTC+2:
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 2:47:02 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbwmId4m4h4

    I'm enjoying the way he balances the LH and RH, and
    lets the notes resound, to create interesting harmonies.
    Listen to a real pianist for a change:

    https://youtu.be/Mjn3NW0LftI

    dk
    It's probably my favourite version alongside Lupu's (not sure which I like more as of yet) - I think he also ornaments less than Lupu which I seemed to prefer...

    I don't like Richter, Brendel, Uchida, Sokolov, Arrau, Gieseking and others here... just listened a bit to Kempff... his trills are so god damn crude...

    *besides - and more imprtantly - not having a single clue how to play this piece...

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Marc S on Fri May 5 10:01:39 2023
    Marc S schrieb am Freitag, 5. Mai 2023 um 13:18:30 UTC+2:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 5. Mai 2023 um 11:50:28 UTC+2:
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 2:47:02 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbwmId4m4h4

    I'm enjoying the way he balances the LH and RH, and
    lets the notes resound, to create interesting harmonies.
    Listen to a real pianist for a change:

    https://youtu.be/Mjn3NW0LftI

    dk
    It's probably my favourite version alongside Lupu's (not sure which I like more as of yet) - I think he also ornaments less than Lupu which I seemed to prefer...

    *seemed

    Discovered a new upload on yt of Lupu playing 894 live in 1974, Schwetzingen (a city in the southeast of Germany):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUXcEYaLvw0

    And I think it's better than Volodos', much better... also the ornaments - my favourite version.

    Would have to listen to his studio recording again and compare... maybe - in my estimation - Volodos is not so good after all, he is just too concerned with the texture and touch and pedal or sth; it drags in a way...

    his D. 600 (I think it was) was very interesting... but same problem. I think he often sounds artifical - sorry.

    In the light of this version I just don't like the other versions... I wonder what I would like if this version didn't exist, but I can't tell as it exists...


    I don't like Richter, Brendel, Uchida, Sokolov, Arrau, Gieseking and others here... just listened a bit to Kempff... his trills are so god damn crude... I don't understand what Arri likes about Kempff...

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Marc S on Sat May 6 07:21:05 2023
    Marc S schrieb am Freitag, 5. Mai 2023 um 19:01:42 UTC+2:
    Marc S schrieb am Freitag, 5. Mai 2023 um 13:18:30 UTC+2:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 5. Mai 2023 um 11:50:28 UTC+2:
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 2:47:02 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbwmId4m4h4

    I'm enjoying the way he balances the LH and RH, and
    lets the notes resound, to create interesting harmonies.
    Listen to a real pianist for a change:

    https://youtu.be/Mjn3NW0LftI

    dk
    It's probably my favourite version alongside Lupu's (not sure which I like more as of yet) - I think he also ornaments less than Lupu which I seemed to prefer...
    *seemed

    Discovered a new upload on yt of Lupu playing 894 live in 1974, Schwetzingen (a city in the southeast of Germany):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUXcEYaLvw0

    And I think it's better than Volodos', much better... also the ornaments - my favourite version.

    Would have to listen to his studio recording again and compare... maybe - in my estimation - Volodos is not so good after all, he is just too concerned with the texture and touch and pedal or sth; it drags in a way...

    his D. 600 (I think it was) was very interesting... but same problem. I think he often sounds artifical - sorry.

    artificial is probably the wrong word... and his tone is really great... but there is no fun in his Schubert... he seems too concerned about not making "ugly" sounds (just like Celibidache never makes things sound "ugly"). There are moments I find Lupu's
    playing a bit too harsh (as the "runners" in the beginning; looking at it from a different perspective, it also works in some way maybe...), but he is actually having fun; and the piano sonority is darker which I quite like... have to think about this a
    bit more...


    In the light of this version I just don't like the other versions... I wonder what I would like if this version didn't exist, but I can't tell as it exists...

    I don't like Richter, Brendel, Uchida, Sokolov, Arrau, Gieseking and others here... just listened a bit to Kempff... his trills are so god damn crude... I don't understand what Arri likes about Kempff...

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Marc S on Sat May 6 07:24:15 2023
    Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 6. Mai 2023 um 16:21:08 UTC+2:
    Marc S schrieb am Freitag, 5. Mai 2023 um 19:01:42 UTC+2:
    Marc S schrieb am Freitag, 5. Mai 2023 um 13:18:30 UTC+2:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 5. Mai 2023 um 11:50:28 UTC+2:
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 2:47:02 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbwmId4m4h4

    I'm enjoying the way he balances the LH and RH, and
    lets the notes resound, to create interesting harmonies.
    Listen to a real pianist for a change:

    https://youtu.be/Mjn3NW0LftI

    dk
    It's probably my favourite version alongside Lupu's (not sure which I like more as of yet) - I think he also ornaments less than Lupu which I seemed to prefer...
    *seemed

    Discovered a new upload on yt of Lupu playing 894 live in 1974, Schwetzingen (a city in the southeast of Germany):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUXcEYaLvw0

    And I think it's better than Volodos', much better... also the ornaments - my favourite version.

    Would have to listen to his studio recording again and compare... maybe - in my estimation - Volodos is not so good after all, he is just too concerned with the texture and touch and pedal or sth; it drags in a way...

    his D. 600 (I think it was) was very interesting... but same problem. I think he often sounds artifical - sorry.
    artificial is probably the wrong word... and his tone is really great... but there is no fun in his Schubert... he seems too concerned about not making "ugly" sounds (just like Celibidache never makes things sound "ugly"). There are moments I find Lupu'
    s playing a bit too harsh (as the "runners" in the beginning; looking at it from a different perspective, it also works in some way maybe...), but he is actually having fun; and the piano sonority is darker which I quite like... have to think about this
    a bit more...

    In the light of this version I just don't like the other versions... I wonder what I would like if this version didn't exist, but I can't tell as it exists...

    I don't like Richter, Brendel, Uchida, Sokolov, Arrau, Gieseking and others here... just listened a bit to Kempff... his trills are so god damn crude... I don't understand what Arri likes about Kempff...

    should probably listen to Sokolov again... Richter, Brendel, Uchida, Arrau, Gieseking and Kempff are all worse imo than Volodos... and I am really unsure about Lupu because of the tone the more I think about it... but I liek the dark sonority of the
    piano.

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Marc S on Sat May 6 07:30:55 2023
    Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 6. Mai 2023 um 16:24:17 UTC+2:
    Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 6. Mai 2023 um 16:21:08 UTC+2:
    Marc S schrieb am Freitag, 5. Mai 2023 um 19:01:42 UTC+2:
    Marc S schrieb am Freitag, 5. Mai 2023 um 13:18:30 UTC+2:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 5. Mai 2023 um 11:50:28 UTC+2:
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 2:47:02 AM UTC-7, Mandryka wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbwmId4m4h4

    I'm enjoying the way he balances the LH and RH, and
    lets the notes resound, to create interesting harmonies.
    Listen to a real pianist for a change:

    https://youtu.be/Mjn3NW0LftI

    dk
    It's probably my favourite version alongside Lupu's (not sure which I like more as of yet) - I think he also ornaments less than Lupu which I seemed to prefer...
    *seemed

    Discovered a new upload on yt of Lupu playing 894 live in 1974, Schwetzingen (a city in the southeast of Germany):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUXcEYaLvw0

    And I think it's better than Volodos', much better... also the ornaments - my favourite version.

    Would have to listen to his studio recording again and compare... maybe - in my estimation - Volodos is not so good after all, he is just too concerned with the texture and touch and pedal or sth; it drags in a way...

    his D. 600 (I think it was) was very interesting... but same problem. I think he often sounds artifical - sorry.
    artificial is probably the wrong word... and his tone is really great... but there is no fun in his Schubert... he seems too concerned about not making "ugly" sounds (just like Celibidache never makes things sound "ugly"). There are moments I find
    Lupu's playing a bit too harsh (as the "runners" in the beginning; looking at it from a different perspective, it also works in some way maybe...), but he is actually having fun; and the piano sonority is darker which I quite like... have to think about
    this a bit more...

    In the light of this version I just don't like the other versions... I wonder what I would like if this version didn't exist, but I can't tell as it exists...

    I don't like Richter, Brendel, Uchida, Sokolov, Arrau, Gieseking and others here... just listened a bit to Kempff... his trills are so god damn crude... I don't understand what Arri likes about Kempff...
    should probably listen to Sokolov again... Richter, Brendel, Uchida, Arrau, Gieseking and Kempff are all worse imo than Volodos... and I am really unsure about Lupu because of the tone the more I think about it... but I liek the dark sonority of the
    piano.

    *I also wasn't too impressed with Lupu's studio effort... ya definitely Volodos is better... and I was an idiot, but now I know a little more (partly thanks to Arri). It seems Volodos is my favourite here... and Volodos has fun with Schubert - but in a
    different way. Sorry folks for the confusion.

    I guess I always do it like this... I try to trash some of my favourite versions and see if they can handle it and prove me wrong.......

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