• Hurwitz: Amazon Classical Is A Garbage Dump

    From Mr. Mike@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 22 08:45:45 2023
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb28KyMakvc

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mr. Mike on Sat Apr 22 16:43:58 2023
    On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 8:46:06 AM UTC-7, Mr. Mike wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb28KyMakvc


    Most people have figured this out
    without any help from Dave Hurwitz.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Sat Apr 22 17:04:44 2023
    On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 4:44:01 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 8:46:06 AM UTC-7, Mr. Mike wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb28KyMakvc

    Most people have figured this out
    without any help from Dave Hurwitz.


    How the Streaming Era Turned Music Into Sludge:

    https://www.wired.com/story/plaintext-how-the-streaming-era-turned-music-into-sludge/

    dk

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  • From Todd M. McComb@21:1/5 to plutedpup@outlook.com on Sun Apr 23 00:46:27 2023
    In article <0001HW.29F4B5E300789C7A30ADD138F@news.giganews.com>,
    Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> wrote:
    To add another way Amazon seeks to discourage sales, is that with
    most third-party sellers Amazon now won't let you see theseller's
    inventory, which in the past led to much purchasesfor me sometimes.

    I figured they did this to protect the third-party sellers who
    routinely lie about their stock, i.e. most of them. (E.g. when the
    release date comes along for a CD, the ones that don't make it on
    time to the major vendors, and perhaps don't show up for a considerable
    period at that, are always immediately "in stock" at a variety of
    Amazon partners.)

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  • From Pluted Pup@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Sat Apr 22 17:40:03 2023
    On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 16:43:58 -0700, Dan Koren wrote:

    On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 8:46:06???AM UTC-7, Mr. Mike wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb28KyMakvc

    Most people have figured this out
    without any help from Dave Hurwitz.

    It would be too arduous to listen to a 17 minute talking
    head, so I just looked at the comments, and find one useful,
    my comments in brackets:

    1. As mentioned the search engine seems to have gone downhill
    recently. Not only does it mix in products from other
    categories, but it mixes downloads and LPs (and even cassettes)
    in the listing with CDs. There needs to be a RELIABLE way to
    narrow the search to a specific product format. To make matters
    worse, each track of a download is listed as a separate entity,
    so finding the one listing for the physical CD among the 10 or
    more individual track listings of the download is an added burden
    (especially when they all typically use the same artwork in the
    search results).

    2. The entry for a CD will often not list the contents.
    Sometimes there is a photo of the back cover of the CD packaging,
    but often not. Even when there is a back photo, it may be
    inadequate in the case of a box set. I like to know what I'm
    buying. (This complaint applies to many ebay listings as well.).
    One used to encounter some risible attempts to provide a "list of
    the songs" on the CD by listing the tempo markings of the
    movements -- very helpful to see the contents listed as " Allegro
    Adagio Presto".

    3. I don't object to the customer comments. Yes, there are a lot
    of comments that are useless praise posted by someone who has
    never heard another recording of the same work, but often the
    comments are the only way to overcome the lack of contents
    listing. John Fowler's content listings are often especially
    helpful in the case of box sets. In time one learns to separate
    the useless from the valuable.

    [He means reviews, all comments to reviews were deleted by
    Amazon without warning in 2020, messing up all of Fowler's
    reviews up to 2020 because he included comments in his
    reviews, and would refer directly to his comments.]

    4. What is with the "Nog geen afbeelding beschikbaar" message
    when no image is available for a listing? I've nothing against
    the Dutch, but one would think a company as large as Amazon could
    make the effort to use the local language(s) on each of their
    websites.

    [Google Translate says it is Dutch for "No image available yet";
    Amazon uses it perhaps to help steer people away from the CD
    and steer you towards something else. Many of the CDs I
    bought through Amazon had pictures when I bought them that
    Amazon now says are not pictured yet.]

    5. Even when you find the listing for the product you want,
    Amazon does not usually give the manufacturer's catalog number.
    No doubt this is to make it more difficult to do a general Google
    search and find another source, but it also makes it more
    difficult to find information (e.g., track listings, recording
    dates, etc.) not present in the Amazon listing.

    [Amazon always kept the catalog numbers as well as the
    bar code secret. If you already have the bar code, without
    dashes or spaces, it may be the only way of finding
    something on Amazon.]

    [To add another way Amazon seeks to discourage sales, is
    that with most third-party sellers Amazon now won't let you
    see theseller's inventory, which in the past led to much
    purchasesfor me sometimes.]

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  • From Pluted Pup@21:1/5 to Todd M. McComb on Sat Apr 22 18:38:59 2023
    On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 17:46:27 -0700, Todd M. McComb wrote:

    In article<0001HW.29F4B5E300789C7A30ADD138F@news.giganews.com>,
    Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> wrote:
    To add another way Amazon seeks to discourage sales, is that with
    most third-party sellers Amazon now won't let you see theseller's inventory, which in the past led to much purchasesfor me sometimes.

    I figured they did this to protect the third-party sellers who
    routinely lie about their stock, i.e. most of them. (E.g. when the
    release date comes along for a CD, the ones that don't make it on
    time to the major vendors, and perhaps don't show up for a considerable period at that, are always immediately "in stock" at a variety of
    Amazon partners.)

    So Amazon acts to protect the bad sellers by hurting the good sellers!

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  • From Todd M. McComb@21:1/5 to plutedpup@outlook.com on Sun Apr 23 02:24:02 2023
    In article <0001HW.29F4C3B3007BD93B30ADD138F@news.giganews.com>,
    Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> wrote:
    So Amazon acts to protect the bad sellers by hurting the good sellers!

    I don't know, but complaining that their vendors are liars doesn't
    seem to have an effect....

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