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  • OT: Why Singapore does not trust the CIA

    From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 2 14:56:23 2023
    https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 3 02:09:07 2023
    Op zondag 2 april 2023 om 23:56:26 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
    https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

    It's Graham Greene's "Silent American" all over again. And please remember, these are the days that the US meant well with the rest of the world. That's long since past.

    Henk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 3 11:03:10 2023
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 2:09:10 AM UTC-7, HT wrote:
    Op zondag 2 april 2023 om 23:56:26 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
    https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

    It's Graham Greene's "Silent American" all
    over again. And please remember, these
    are the days that the US meant well with
    the rest of the world. That's long since
    past.

    The US no longer knows the meaning of
    meaning. What else can one expect from
    a yoyocracy that turns around 180 degrees
    every 4 or 8 years, with every administration
    spending utmost effort to undo what the
    previous one had done, rather than working
    towards long term national goals and interests?

    Defense, energy, transportation, communications,
    foreign policy, commerce, banking and fiscal policy
    all need long term planning beyond the horizon of
    another domestic election cycle.

    I suppose Frank will correct me and remind
    us all that the most effective path to avoiding
    chaos is ..... chaos! The Gosple according to
    Hayek! ;-)

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Mon Apr 3 11:10:13 2023
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:08:51 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

    Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?

    Did Chat-GPT spit out this one for you?

    dk

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Mon Apr 3 11:08:49 2023
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

    Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 3 11:21:21 2023
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 2:09:10 AM UTC-7, HT wrote:
    Op zondag 2 april 2023 om 23:56:26 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
    https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

    It's Graham Greene's "Silent American" all over again. And please remember, these are the days that the US meant well with the rest of the world. That's long since past.

    Henk

    Wouldn't most foreigners say that U.S. foreign policy has never had anything to do with mutual benefit, much less the long term common good?

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 3 11:39:54 2023
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 2:09:10 AM UTC-7, HT wrote:
    Op zondag 2 april 2023 om 23:56:26 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
    https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

    It's Graham Greene's "Silent American" all over again. And please remember, these are the days that the US meant well with the rest of the world. That's long since past.

    Henk

    Concerning Graham Greene's THE QUIET AMERICAN, the following concludes:

    - The story is told through Fowler’s eyes, and while he is supposed to be the suitor that better understands Phuong and Vietnam, Greene suggests that neither of the Western participants are fully aware of the thoughts or desires of the natives, and
    instead vie for control over it for their own purposes.

    https://www.litcharts.com/lit/the-quiet-american/themes/vietnam-and-the-west

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 3 11:41:43 2023
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:39:57 AM UTC-7, wrote:
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 2:09:10 AM UTC-7, HT wrote:
    Op zondag 2 april 2023 om 23:56:26 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
    https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

    It's Graham Greene's "Silent American" all over again. And please remember, these are the days that the US meant well with the rest of the world. That's long since past.

    Henk
    Concerning Graham Greene's THE QUIET AMERICAN, the following concludes:

    - The story is told through Fowler’s eyes, and while he is supposed to be the suitor that better understands Phuong and Vietnam, Greene suggests that neither of the Western participants are fully aware of the thoughts or desires of the natives, and
    instead vie for control over it for their own purposes.

    https://www.litcharts.com/lit/the-quiet-american/themes/vietnam-and-the-west

    - It has always been true that the men who were defending Western ideals were bound to be in alliance with men who intended to defend only Western interests.

    Butterfield

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 3 12:29:57 2023
    Op maandag 3 april 2023 om 20:39:57 UTC+2 schreef gggg gggg:
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 2:09:10 AM UTC-7, HT wrote:
    Op zondag 2 april 2023 om 23:56:26 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
    https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

    It's Graham Greene's "Silent American" all over again. And please remember, these are the days that the US meant well with the rest of the world. That's long since past.

    Henk
    Concerning Graham Greene's THE QUIET AMERICAN, the following concludes:

    - The story is told through Fowler’s eyes, and while he is supposed to be the suitor that better understands Phuong and Vietnam, Greene suggests that neither of the Western participants are fully aware of the thoughts or desires of the natives, and
    instead vie for control over it for their own purposes.

    https://www.litcharts.com/lit/the-quiet-american/themes/vietnam-and-the-west

    The actions of a well-intentioned young American agent in South-Vietnam are depicted as being ultimately destructive, as his support for a corrupt regime leads to further instability and violence. In this sense, "The Quiet American" can be seen as a
    critique of American interventionism.

    Henk

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  • From Pluted Pup@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Wed Apr 5 19:12:25 2023
    On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:08:49 -0700, gggg gggg wrote:

    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26???PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

    Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?

    The news media trusts the CIA. There are rumors
    that the Washington Post and the New York Times
    are illegally subsidized by the CIA.

    An atrocious CIA (OSS) behavior was when they helped
    the Viet Minh (Viet Cong) and urged the Annamese to
    "kill all the French",backstabbing France and Britain,
    formal allies. This helped start what was later
    called the Vietnam War.

    Re: Alms For Oblivion, by Peter Kemp

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Wed Apr 5 21:07:48 2023
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:08:51 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

    Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?

    Considering that this year is the 60th anniversary of the JFK assassination, aren't more and more people saying that the CIA was behind that?

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Pluted Pup on Wed Apr 5 21:01:50 2023
    On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 7:12:39 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
    On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:08:49 -0700, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26???PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

    Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?
    The news media trusts the CIA. There are rumors
    that the Washington Post and the New York Times
    are illegally subsidized by the CIA.

    An atrocious CIA (OSS) behavior was when they helped
    the Viet Minh (Viet Cong) and urged the Annamese to
    "kill all the French",backstabbing France and Britain,
    formal allies. This helped start what was later
    called the Vietnam War.

    Re: Alms For Oblivion, by Peter Kemp

    (Y. upload):

    "#246 - I Love The CIA (with Whitney Webb) | The Tim Dillon Show"

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Wed Apr 5 21:08:42 2023
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:08:51 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

    Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?

    - It had all the earmarks of a CIA operation; the bomb killed everybody in the room except the intended target!

    William F. Buckley, Jr.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Pluted Pup on Wed Apr 5 23:30:37 2023
    On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 7:12:39 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
    On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:08:49 -0700, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26???PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

    Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?

    The news media trusts the CIA. There are
    rumors that the Washington Post and the
    New York Times are illegally subsidized by
    the CIA.

    How would that be "illegal"? Presumably
    the CIA operates out of a budget that is
    reviewed and approved at some level,
    even if not released publicly.

    Just curious.

    dk

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  • From Owen Hartnett@21:1/5 to Pluted Pup on Thu Apr 6 10:17:48 2023
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    On 2023-04-06 02:12:25 +0000, Pluted Pup said:

    On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:08:49 -0700, gggg gggg wrote:

    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26???PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

    Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?

    The news media trusts the CIA. There are rumors
    that the Washington Post and the New York Times
    are illegally subsidized by the CIA.

    An atrocious CIA (OSS) behavior was when they helped
    the Viet Minh (Viet Cong) and urged the Annamese to
    "kill all the French",backstabbing France and Britain,
    formal allies. This helped start what was later
    called the Vietnam War.

    Re: Alms For Oblivion, by Peter Kemp

    Does the name Ngo Dinh Diem ring a bell?

    Bay of Pigs?

    Also: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/cia-releases-documents-detailing-its-misdeeds-1.634658


    -Owen
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    <p class="p1">On 2023-04-06 02:12:25 +0000, Pluted Pup said:</p>
    <p class="p2"><br></p>
    <p class="p3">On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:08:49 -0700, gggg gggg wrote:</p>
    <p class="p4"><br></p>
    <p class="p5">On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26???PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:</p>
    <p class="p6">https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU</p>
    <p class="p7"><br></p>
    <p class="p5">Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?</p>
    <p class="p8"><br></p>
    <p class="p9">The news media trusts the CIA. There are rumors</p>
    <p class="p9">that the Washington Post and the New York Times</p>
    <p class="p9">are illegally subsidized by the CIA.</p>
    <p class="p8"><br></p>
    <p class="p9">An atrocious CIA (OSS) behavior was when they helped</p>
    <p class="p9">the Viet Minh (Viet Cong) and urged the Annamese to</p>
    <p class="p9">"kill all the French",backstabbing France and Britain,</p>
    <p class="p9">formal allies. This helped start what was later</p>
    <p class="p9">called the Vietnam War.</p>
    <p class="p8"><br></p>
    <p class="p9">Re: Alms For Oblivion, by Peter Kemp</p>
    <p class="p10"><br></p>
    <p class="p11">Does the name Ngo Dinh Diem ring a bell?</p>
    <p class="p12"><br></p>
    <p class="p13">Bay of Pigs?</p>
    <p class="p12"><br></p>
    <p class="p13">Also: <a href="https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/cia-releases-documents-detailing-its-misdeeds-1.634658">https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/cia-releases-documents-detailing-its-misdeeds-1.634658</a></p>
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    <p class="p13">-Owen</p>
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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Thu Apr 6 18:43:55 2023
    On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 9:08:45 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:08:51 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

    Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?
    - It had all the earmarks of a CIA operation; the bomb killed everybody in the room except the intended target!

    William F. Buckley, Jr.

    When it comes to incompetence, the CIA is not alone:

    https://news.yahoo.com/federal-agents-busted-wrong-hotel-204425744.html

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Thu Apr 6 19:08:11 2023
    On Tuesday, 4 April 2023 at 04:03:14 UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 2:09:10 AM UTC-7, HT wrote:
    Op zondag 2 april 2023 om 23:56:26 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
    https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

    It's Graham Greene's "Silent American" all
    over again. And please remember, these
    are the days that the US meant well with
    the rest of the world. That's long since
    past.
    The US no longer knows the meaning of
    meaning. What else can one expect from
    a yoyocracy that turns around 180 degrees
    every 4 or 8 years, with every administration
    spending utmost effort to undo what the
    previous one had done, rather than working
    towards long term national goals and interests?

    Defense, energy, transportation, communications,
    foreign policy, commerce, banking and fiscal policy
    all need long term planning beyond the horizon of
    another domestic election cycle.

    I suppose Frank will correct me and remind
    us all that the most effective path to avoiding
    chaos is ..... chaos! The Gosple according to
    Hayek! ;-)

    dk

    This is more of the kind of leadership that is badly missing now. Strong, intelligent, articulate and direct.

    https://youtu.be/VexrmTacOAA

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to raymond....@gmail.com on Thu Apr 6 19:46:04 2023
    On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 7:08:14 PM UTC-7, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, 4 April 2023 at 04:03:14 UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 2:09:10 AM UTC-7, HT wrote:
    Op zondag 2 april 2023 om 23:56:26 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
    https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

    It's Graham Greene's "Silent American" all
    over again. And please remember, these
    are the days that the US meant well with
    the rest of the world. That's long since
    past.

    The US no longer knows the meaning of
    meaning. What else can one expect from
    a yoyocracy that turns around 180 degrees
    every 4 or 8 years, with every administration
    spending utmost effort to undo what the
    previous one had done, rather than working
    towards long term national goals and interests?

    Defense, energy, transportation, communications,
    foreign policy, commerce, banking and fiscal policy
    all need long term planning beyond the horizon of
    another domestic election cycle.

    I suppose Frank will correct me and remind
    us all that the most effective path to avoiding
    chaos is ..... chaos! The Gosple according to
    Hayek! ;-)

    This is more of the kind of leadership
    that is badly missing now. Strong,
    intelligent, articulate and direct.

    https://youtu.be/VexrmTacOAA

    Thanks for posting. LKY was
    unquestionably the greatest
    statesman (er, person) of the
    20th century.

    dk

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 12 00:13:41 2023
    On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 9:07:51 PM UTC-7 wrote:
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

    Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?
    Considering that this year is the 60th anniversary of the JFK assassination, aren't more and more people saying that the CIA was behind that?

    (Y. upload):

    "JFK, the Mob and the CIA (1988)"

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 12 19:36:50 2023
    On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 9:08:45 PM UTC-7, wrote:
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

    Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?
    - It had all the earmarks of a CIA operation; the bomb killed everybody in the room except the intended target!

    William F. Buckley, Jr.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/10/10/has-the-cia-done-more-harm-than-good

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 12 19:38:25 2023
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:08:51 AM UTC-7, wrote:
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

    Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/04/09/how-assassination-became-policy-at-the-cia/

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 12 19:40:26 2023
    On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 9:07:51 PM UTC-7, wrote:
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

    Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?
    Considering that this year is the 60th anniversary of the JFK assassination, aren't more and more people saying that the CIA was behind that?

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/01/10/an-interview-with-jefferson-morley-on-the-cia-nixon-and-the-assassination-of-jfk/

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Tue Apr 18 16:13:12 2023
    On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:13:44 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 9:07:51 PM UTC-7 wrote:
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

    Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?
    Considering that this year is the 60th anniversary of the JFK assassination, aren't more and more people saying that the CIA was behind that?
    (Y. upload):

    "JFK, the Mob and the CIA (1988)"

    (2023 Y. upload):

    "NEW CLUES On Oswald's CIA Link REVEALED In JFK Docs | Counter Points"

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Mon Apr 24 13:52:50 2023
    On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 9:07:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 11:08:51 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

    Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?
    Considering that this year is the 60th anniversary of the JFK assassination, aren't more and more people saying that the CIA was behind that?

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/jfk-assassination-john-mccone-warren-commission-cia-213197/

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 25 20:09:59 2023
    On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 9:07:51 PM UTC-7, wrote:
    On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
    https://youtu.be/8K0J_5XnOjU

    Quite frankly, does ANYBODY trust the CIA?
    Considering that this year is the 60th anniversary of the JFK assassination, aren't more and more people saying that the CIA was behind that?

    (2023 Y. upload):

    "JRE | CIA's involvement in JFK Assassination"

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