For some reason other pianists like to race through the
opening of Brahms op. 76 no. 1. But's here's Walter Klien:
https://youtu.be/aVGTFqCCqKA
On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 9:10:59 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
For some reason other pianists like to race through the
opening of Brahms op. 76 no. 1. But's here's Walter Klien:
https://youtu.be/aVGTFqCCqKA
Very ugly steely sound. He should
have skipped this piece altogether.
May I respectfully ask what drives
you towards retarded pianists? Can
you point out the "exact moments"
that make you like them?
dk
On 3/31/2023 5:01 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 9:10:59 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
For some reason other pianists like to race through the
opening of Brahms op. 76 no. 1. But's here's Walter Klien:
https://youtu.be/aVGTFqCCqKA
Very ugly steely sound. He should
have skipped this piece altogether.
May I respectfully ask what drives
you towards retarded pianists? Can
you point out the "exact moments"
that make you like them?
I recently found out that Klien is pronounced 'clean." I had no idea.
On 3/31/2023 5:01 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 9:10:59 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
For some reason other pianists like to race through the
opening of Brahms op. 76 no. 1. But's here's Walter Klien:
https://youtu.be/aVGTFqCCqKA
Very ugly steely sound. He should
have skipped this piece altogether.
May I respectfully ask what drives
you towards retarded pianists? Can
you point out the "exact moments"
that make you like them?
dk
I recently found out that Klien is pronounced 'clean." I had no idea.
On 3/31/23 3:27 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 2:49:36 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
On 3/31/2023 5:01 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 9:10:59 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote: >>>> For some reason other pianists like to race through the
opening of Brahms op. 76 no. 1. But's here's Walter Klien:
https://youtu.be/aVGTFqCCqKA
Very ugly steely sound. He should
have skipped this piece altogether.
May I respectfully ask what drives
you towards retarded pianists? Can
you point out the "exact moments"
that make you like them?
I recently found out that Klien is pronounced 'clean." I had no idea.
Standard German pronounciation.
He was Austrian. One of the most
metronomic, mechanical machines
ever on record. Steely, clangorous
pluted zound.
His pluted Brahmz recordingz may
be found here:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ng_gEeRKQ6PSj6rEWt9VgJjEF2DsqR1JU
His Mozart PC 17 and 27 on Vox with
the Minnesota O/Skrowaczewski does
not, IMO, fit that description. For that
matter, neither do his Mozart Sonatas,
also on Vox.
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 2:49:36 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
On 3/31/2023 5:01 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 9:10:59 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
For some reason other pianists like to race through the
opening of Brahms op. 76 no. 1. But's here's Walter Klien:
https://youtu.be/aVGTFqCCqKA
Very ugly steely sound. He should
have skipped this piece altogether.
May I respectfully ask what drives
you towards retarded pianists? Can
you point out the "exact moments"
that make you like them?
I recently found out that Klien is pronounced 'clean." I had no idea.
Standard German pronounciation.
He was Austrian. One of the most
metronomic, mechanical machines
ever on record. Steely, clangorous
pluted zound.
His pluted Brahmz recordingz may
be found here:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ng_gEeRKQ6PSj6rEWt9VgJjEF2DsqR1JU
dk
For some reason other pianists like to race through the
opening of Brahms op. 76 no. 1. But's here's Walter Klien:
https://youtu.be/aVGTFqCCqKA
May I respectfully ask what drives
you towards retarded pianists? Can
you point out the "exact moments"
that make you like them?
dk
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 3:45:29 PM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:
On 3/31/23 3:27 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 2:49:36 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
On 3/31/2023 5:01 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 9:10:59 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote: >>>>>> For some reason other pianists like to race through the
opening of Brahms op. 76 no. 1. But's here's Walter Klien:
https://youtu.be/aVGTFqCCqKA
Very ugly steely sound. He should
have skipped this piece altogether.
May I respectfully ask what drives
you towards retarded pianists? Can
you point out the "exact moments"
that make you like them?
I recently found out that Klien is pronounced 'clean." I had no idea.
Standard German pronounciation.
He was Austrian. One of the most
metronomic, mechanical machines
ever on record. Steely, clangorous
pluted zound.
His pluted Brahmz recordingz may
be found here:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ng_gEeRKQ6PSj6rEWt9VgJjEF2DsqR1JU
His Mozart PC 17 and 27 on Vox with
the Minnesota O/Skrowaczewski does
not, IMO, fit that description. For that
matter, neither do his Mozart Sonatas,
also on Vox.
Can you point to any recordings by
anyone that sound less pluted?
dk
On 3/31/23 3:27 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 2:49:36 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
On 3/31/2023 5:01 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 9:10:59 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote: >>>> For some reason other pianists like to race through the
opening of Brahms op. 76 no. 1. But's here's Walter Klien:
https://youtu.be/aVGTFqCCqKA
Very ugly steely sound. He should
have skipped this piece altogether.
May I respectfully ask what drives
you towards retarded pianists? Can
you point out the "exact moments"
that make you like them?
I recently found out that Klien is pronounced 'clean." I had no idea.
Standard German pronounciation.
He was Austrian. One of the most
metronomic, mechanical machines
ever on record. Steely, clangorous
pluted zound.
His pluted Brahmz recordingz may
be found here:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ng_gEeRKQ6PSj6rEWt9VgJjEF2DsqR1JU
His Mozart PC 17 and 27 on Vox with
the Minnesota O/Skrowaczewski does
not, IMO, fit that description.
For that matter, neither do his Mozart
Sonatas, also on Vox.
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 10:01:29 PM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
May I respectfully ask what drives
you towards retarded pianists? Can
you point out the "exact moments"
that make you like them?
Listen to the silences, the phrasing
and the silences, in op 117/i and
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 3:45:29 PM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:(snip)
His [W. Klien's] Mozart PC 17 and 27 on Vox with
the Minnesota O/Skrowaczewski does
not, IMO, fit that description.
It does. Very mechanical, metronomic,
and mono-chromatic.
For that matter, neither do his Mozart
Sonatas, also on Vox.
They do. See above.
dk
On 4/1/23 1:56 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 3:45:29 PM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:(snip)
His [W. Klien's] Mozart PC 17 and 27 on Vox with
the Minnesota O/Skrowaczewski does
not, IMO, fit that description.
It does. Very mechanical, metronomic,
and mono-chromatic.
For that matter, neither do his Mozart
Sonatas, also on Vox.
They do. See above.
Perhaps my taste is defective, but it is mine,
and I find those performances quite satisfactory,
the concertos more than that. YMMV. Sorry.
On 4/1/23 1:56 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 3:45:29 PM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:(snip)
His [W. Klien's] Mozart PC 17 and 27 on Vox with
the Minnesota O/Skrowaczewski does
not, IMO, fit that description.
It does. Very mechanical, metronomic,
and mono-chromatic.
For that matter, neither do his Mozart
Sonatas, also on Vox.
They do. See above.
dkPerhaps my taste is defective, but it is mine, and I find those
performances quite satisfactory, the concertos more than that. YMMV. Sorry.
Bob Harper
Bob Harper schrieb am Sonntag, 2. April 2023 um 06:23:39 UTC+2:good one. Well, at least you seem to have a better taste wrt composers than Dan... which is probably more important than a good taste in performances.
On 4/1/23 1:56 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 3:45:29 PM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:(snip)
Perhaps my taste is defective, but it is mine, and I find those
His [W. Klien's] Mozart PC 17 and 27 on Vox with
the Minnesota O/Skrowaczewski does
not, IMO, fit that description.
It does. Very mechanical, metronomic,
and mono-chromatic.
For that matter, neither do his Mozart
Sonatas, also on Vox.
They do. See above.
dk
I find the expression "defective" quite curious; as if taste were something that could be repaired, as if you were a machine with a malfunction. I don't think that your taste is defective, Bob, you just have bad taste - maybe you can still develop a
performances quite satisfactory, the concertos more than that. YMMV. Sorry.
I remember the sonatas being very bad (haven't listened to him playing Mozart concertos). And Dan seems to describe quite well what is wrong with Klien's approach.
If you think Klien's Sonatas are "quite satisfactory" and the concertos even "more than that", I wonder what pianists you consider non-satisfactory in Mozart? I mean, you can't get much worse than Klien...
Bob Harper
Marc, Dan is pompous,
but you're just plain offensive.
On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 1:04:07 PM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:
Marc, Dan is pompous,
Never heard that one.
Thank you!
but you're just plain offensive.
I can be offensive too.
Would you like me to try?
dk
On 4/2/23 12:32 AM, Marc S wrote:good one. Well, at least you seem to have a better taste wrt composers than Dan... which is probably more important than a good taste in performances.
Bob Harper schrieb am Sonntag, 2. April 2023 um 06:23:39 UTC+2:
On 4/1/23 1:56 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 3:45:29 PM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:(snip)
Perhaps my taste is defective, but it is mine, and I find those
His [W. Klien's] Mozart PC 17 and 27 on Vox with
the Minnesota O/Skrowaczewski does
not, IMO, fit that description.
It does. Very mechanical, metronomic,
and mono-chromatic.
For that matter, neither do his Mozart
Sonatas, also on Vox.
They do. See above.
dk
I find the expression "defective" quite curious; as if taste were something that could be repaired, as if you were a machine with a malfunction. I don't think that your taste is defective, Bob, you just have bad taste - maybe you can still develop a
performances quite satisfactory, the concertos more than that. YMMV. Sorry.
I remember the sonatas being very bad (haven't listened to him playing Mozart concertos). And Dan seems to describe quite well what is wrong with Klien's approach.
If you think Klien's Sonatas are "quite satisfactory" and the concertos even "more than that", I wonder what pianists you consider non-satisfactory in Mozart? I mean, you can't get much worse than Klien...
Marc, Dan is pompous, but you're just plain offensive.
Bob Harper
Bob Harper
On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 1:04:07 PM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:
Marc, Dan is pompous,
Never heard that one.
Thank you!
but you're just plain offensive.I can be offensive too.
Would you like me to try?
dk
On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 1:04:07 PM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:
Marc, Dan is pompous,
Never heard that one.
Thank you!
but you're just plain offensive.I can be offensive too.
Would you like me to try?
dk
On 4/2/23 2:29 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 1:04:07 PM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:
Marc, Dan is pompous,
Never heard that one.
Thank you!
but you're just plain offensive.
I can be offensive too.
Would you like me to try?
dk
Not really.
Bob Harper
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