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  • OT: Michael Parenti | FIRST YUGOSLAVIA now UKRAINE

    From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 28 01:46:42 2023
    https://youtu.be/59pI2mwAWbw

    Comments, please!

    TIA

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 28 02:24:39 2023
    Op dinsdag 28 maart 2023 om 10:46:45 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
    https://youtu.be/59pI2mwAWbw

    And next year Taiwan - etc. etc.

    Power is the ability to restrict the freedom of action of others, one of my bosses once said.
    Has the relationship between power and paranoia ever been researched?

    Henk

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 28 10:49:15 2023
    On 3/28/2023 5:24 AM, HT wrote:
    Op dinsdag 28 maart 2023 om 10:46:45 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
    https://youtu.be/59pI2mwAWbw

    And next year Taiwan - etc. etc.

    Power is the ability to restrict the freedom of action of others, one of my bosses once said.
    Has the relationship between power and paranoia ever been researched?

    Henk




    No disrespect to your former boss, but I would have thought that was intuitively obvious.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 28 07:40:38 2023
    On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7, HT wrote:
    Op dinsdag 28 maart 2023 om 10:46:45 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
    https://youtu.be/59pI2mwAWbw

    And next year Taiwan - etc. etc.

    Power is the ability to restrict the freedom of action of others, one of my bosses
    once said. Has the relationship between power and paranoia ever been researched?

    https://www.amazon.com/Power-Paranoia-Narrative-American-1940-1950/dp/0231062850

    And probably more.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 28 07:49:30 2023
    On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7, HT wrote:

    Power is the ability to restrict the freedom of
    action of others, one of my bosses once said.

    You had a "boss" ?!?

    dk

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 28 08:26:37 2023
    Op dinsdag 28 maart 2023 om 16:49:29 UTC+2 schreef Frank Berger:
    On 3/28/2023 5:24 AM, HT wrote:

    No disrespect to your former boss, but I would have thought that was intuitively obvious.

    It was intuitively obvious for those who knew him well ...

    Henk

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 28 08:35:11 2023
    Op dinsdag 28 maart 2023 om 17:24:39 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:

    Were they anything like
    Herman or Marc S? ;-)

    There is nothing bossy about those two. There is a vast difference between restricting behaviour and hoping that behaviour will be restricted.

    Henk

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 28 08:22:20 2023
    Op dinsdag 28 maart 2023 om 16:49:33 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
    On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7, HT wrote:

    Power is the ability to restrict the freedom of
    action of others, one of my bosses once said.
    You had a "boss" ?!?

    dk

    More than one!

    Henk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 28 08:24:36 2023
    On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 8:22:22 AM UTC-7, HT wrote:
    Op dinsdag 28 maart 2023 om 16:49:33 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
    On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7, HT wrote:

    Power is the ability to restrict the freedom of
    action of others, one of my bosses once said.

    You had a "boss" ?!?

    More than one!

    OMG! How did you survive?

    Were they anything like
    Herman or Marc S? ;-)

    dk

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 28 11:46:41 2023
    On 3/28/2023 11:26 AM, HT wrote:
    Op dinsdag 28 maart 2023 om 16:49:29 UTC+2 schreef Frank Berger:
    On 3/28/2023 5:24 AM, HT wrote:

    No disrespect to your former boss, but I would have thought that was intuitively obvious.

    It was intuitively obvious for those who knew him well ...

    Henk

    I suppose there are good bosses somewhere. I never encountered one, though some were worse than others. I think it may depend more on the structure of the organization than the individuals themselves. Bosses in bureaucracies tend to be the worst. None
    of this means that bad bosses are bad people. Just normal people responding to weird incentives.

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 28 11:50:31 2023
    On 3/28/2023 11:35 AM, HT wrote:
    Op dinsdag 28 maart 2023 om 17:24:39 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:

    Were they anything like
    Herman or Marc S? ;-)

    There is nothing bossy about those two. There is a vast difference between restricting behaviour and hoping that behaviour will be restricted.

    Henk

    How can you tell what they would do if they were in a position of power? I don't think any assumptions are warranted.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Tue Mar 28 09:13:56 2023
    On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 8:46:54 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/28/2023 11:26 AM, HT wrote:
    Op dinsdag 28 maart 2023 om 16:49:29 UTC+2 schreef Frank Berger:
    On 3/28/2023 5:24 AM, HT wrote:

    No disrespect to your former boss, but I would have thought that was intuitively obvious.

    It was intuitively obvious for those who knew him well ...

    I suppose there are good bosses somewhere. I never
    encountered one, though some were worse than others.

    My experience has been that good managers are far
    rarer and harder to find than good engineers, even
    though popular opinion claims the opposite.

    Managers coming out of Amazon and Microsoft in
    particular appear to be irrevocably brainfucked.

    dk

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 28 10:02:56 2023
    How can you tell what they would do if they were in a position of power? I don't think any assumptions are warranted.

    It is not out of the question that someone may come to power who had no power before. In that case, he will do what other people in power do. The same applies to the aforementioned colleagues.
    The question is only whether, all else being equal, that will ever happen. Their ambitions clearly lie elsewhere. Herman believes in self-regulation of his colleagues, and Marc S believes in Dan.

    Henk

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  • From James Goodzeit@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Tue Mar 28 09:49:13 2023
    On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 4:46:45 AM UTC-4, Dan Koren wrote:
    https://youtu.be/59pI2mwAWbw

    Comments, please!

    TIA

    I listened to about 5 minutes, and get the impression he knows even less about the history of the Balkans than I do. No mention that Yugoslavia began to fall apart after Tito died, no mention of what exactly Serb nationalists under Milosevic were doing
    in Bosnia and Kosovo. He begins with a grand analogy between the United States and the Roman Empire as if making such a comparison automatically makes it true. He sounds like a tankie, as someone in an ivory tower with zero contact with the people and
    cultures he is analyzing.

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 28 13:27:46 2023
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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Tue Mar 28 20:58:38 2023
    On 3/28/2023 8:33 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 10:30:19 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:

    Good genes are good genes. If you're good at
    one thing you're likely to be good at another.

    So you think one could play in the NBA
    because one is a good programmer?

    Or maybe one should join the Bolshoi
    Ballet.... intriguing thought ....

    dk

    There is a positive correlation between looks and brains, I've read a few places. That holds in a population, not each and every individual. All of which is conveyed to a sharp reader by my use of the word "likely."

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Tue Mar 28 17:33:48 2023
    On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 10:30:19 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:

    Good genes are good genes. If you're good at
    one thing you're likely to be good at another.

    So you think one could play in the NBA
    because one is a good programmer?

    Or maybe one should join the Bolshoi
    Ballet.... intriguing thought ....

    dk

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  • From Owen Hartnett@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Wed Mar 29 10:14:30 2023
    On 2023-03-28 16:13:56 +0000, Dan Koren said:

    On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 8:46:54 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/28/2023 11:26 AM, HT wrote:> > Op dinsdag 28 maart 2023 om
    16:49:29 UTC+2 schreef Frank Berger:> >> On 3/28/2023 5:24 AM, HT
    wrote:> >> >> No disrespect to your former boss, but I would have
    thought that was intuitively obvious.> >> > It was intuitively obvious
    for those who knew him well ...>> I suppose there are good bosses
    somewhere. I never> encountered one, though some were worse than others.
    My experience has been that good managers are farrarer and harder to
    find than good engineers, eventhough popular opinion claims the
    opposite.
    Managers coming out of Amazon and Microsoft inparticular appear to be irrevocably brainfucked.
    dk

    When I was younger I wanted to work for Apple, or IBM or one of the big
    tech giants. What a mistake that would have been!

    Some of the best engineers I've met would have made absolutely horrible managers, due to their lack of social skills. Also, there's a class of
    CEOs who think they're the next Steve Jobs (think Elizabeth Holmes) and
    can send a company down the toilet fast.

    -Owen

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Owen Hartnett on Wed Mar 29 08:32:52 2023
    On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 7:14:37 AM UTC-7, Owen Hartnett wrote:
    On 2023-03-28 16:13:56 +0000, Dan Koren said:

    On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 8:46:54 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/28/2023 11:26 AM, HT wrote:> > Op dinsdag 28 maart 2023 om
    16:49:29 UTC+2 schreef Frank Berger:> >> On 3/28/2023 5:24 AM, HT
    wrote:> >> >> No disrespect to your former boss, but I would have
    thought that was intuitively obvious.> >> > It was intuitively obvious
    for those who knew him well ...>> I suppose there are good bosses
    somewhere. I never> encountered one, though some were worse than others.

    My experience has been that good managers are
    far rarer and harder to find than good engineers,
    event hough popular opinion claims the opposite.
    Managers coming out of Amazon and Microsoft
    in particular appear to be irrevocably brainfucked.

    When I was younger I wanted to work for Apple, or
    IBM or one of the big tech giants. What a mistake
    that would have been!

    I missed your opportunity to be IBM-formed! ;-)

    Some of the best engineers I've met would have made
    absolutely horrible managers, due to their lack of social
    skills. Also, there's a class of CEOs who think they're the
    next Steve Jobs (think Elizabeth Holmes) and can send a
    company down the toilet fast.

    Check Elon Musk.

    dk

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  • From Owen Hartnett@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Wed Mar 29 15:02:13 2023
    On 2023-03-29 15:32:52 +0000, Dan Koren said:

    On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 7:14:37 AM UTC-7, Owen Hartnett wrote:
    On 2023-03-28 16:13:56 +0000, Dan Koren said:>> > On Tuesday, March 28,
    2023 at 8:46:54 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:> >> On 3/28/2023 11:26
    AM, HT wrote:> > Op dinsdag 28 maart 2023 om> >> 16:49:29 UTC+2 schreef
    Frank Berger:> >> On 3/28/2023 5:24 AM, HT> >> wrote:> >> >> No
    disrespect to your former boss, but I would have> >> thought that was
    intuitively obvious.> >> > It was intuitively obvious> >> for those who
    knew him well ...>> I suppose there are good bosses> >> somewhere. I
    never> encountered one, though some were worse than others.

    My experience has been that good managers are> > far rarer and harder
    to find than good engineers,> > event hough popular opinion claims the
    opposite.> > Managers coming out of Amazon and Microsoft> > in
    particular appear to be irrevocably brainfucked.>> When I was younger I
    wanted to work for Apple, or> IBM or one of the big tech giants. What a
    mistake> that would have been!
    I missed your opportunity to be IBM-formed! ;-)

    They made me an offer, but it was way too low. Plus it would've
    involved a lot more travel.


    Some of the best engineers I've met would have made> absolutely
    horrible managers, due to their lack of social> skills. Also, there's a
    class of CEOs who think they're the> next Steve Jobs (think Elizabeth
    Holmes) and can send a> company down the toilet fast.
    Check Elon Musk.

    Not just twitter. Except for Apple, all the tech giants are shedding
    staff like dead skin.

    I worked for a company that had a successful video editing
    software/hardware package that sold in the neighborhood of $17K. Ran
    on a Mac, which was where most of the video editing market was at the
    time. Our genius CEO decided to replace it with an about to be written
    Windows version costing $66000. Apple had just come out with Final Cut
    Pro which sold for $1000 (didn't use hardware), which took up a lot of
    the low end market. Of course delivery was overpromised and
    underdelivered. They "sold" 10 whole units, that they had to
    ultimately take back and refund all of them. The company sold
    preferred stock in order to stay afloat, which when they went
    completely belly up, all the original common stock holders got screwed
    out of everything.


    -Owen

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