• Kirill Petrenko's Shostakovich Symphonies Nos.8, 9, 10 on BP Recordings

    From Oscar@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 23 22:52:44 2023
    It has now dropped on AppleMusic and is streaming in an especial and absorbing Dolby Atmos mix. Looking forward to making my way through this set as the Atmos mix is just killer. Also available on CD + Blu-ray Disc set. Let's get this Shostakovich party
    started. Integrale!


    From Berliner Philharmoniker Recordings:

    << Berliner Philharmoniker
    Kirill Petrenko

    Dmitri Shostakovich
    Symphony No. 8 in C minor op. 65
    Symphony No. 9 in E flat major op. 70
    Symphony No. 10 E minor op. 93

    Kirill Petrenko describes Dmitri Shostakovich’s Eighth Symphony as an “incredible psychological drama”. The composer wrote it while his life was in danger during the Second World War: between a perilous existence and Stalinist censorship. The Ninth
    and Tenth also bear vivid witness to Shostakovich’s confrontation with the regime – and his self-assertion. Berliner Philharmoniker Recordings now releases the recordings of Symphonies 8–10 as the orchestra’s second major hardcover edition with
    chief conductor Kirill Petrenko.

    Musically, each of the three symphonies is a world of its own – what unites them is the desire for freedom: in one case whispered behind closed doors, in another ironically distorted, in another shouted out. Shostakovich’s Eighth delivered a forced-
    smile tragedy to the authority greedy for patriotic hymns. And despite all the camouflage, the work was banned after a few years. With his Ninth Symphony, the composer then made a surprising u-turn, so that he had to remain silent as a symphonist until
    after Stalin’s death – in order to survive himself. Not only the traditional significance of the numbering of the Ninth, but also the fact that the war had been won led the people and officials of the Soviet Union to hope for a grand heroic
    celebration. Instead of redemption at the end of the war, Shostakovich saw the countless victims – and the approach of the next catastrophe. In the detached tone of the First Viennese School and with grotesque gaiety, his Ninth depicts a circus world
    that held up a distorting mirror to the regime.

    The Tenth burst out of Shostakovich – after an eight-year hiatus – immediately after Stalin’s death. Kirill Petrenko calls the work in which the composer makes himself the protagonist the “greatest liberation in his artistic work after the Fifth
    : his monogram in tones – DSCH – triumphs in a fierce battle over the mighty machinery of the dictatorship. The hope for freedom that stands at the end of this symphony holds great topicality as a musical message.

    The edition contains the recordings, made during the Corona pandemic, on two CDs and a Blu-ray. They are accompanied by an interview film with Kirill Petrenko and in-depth texts on Shostakovich’s works. In the foreword, the chief conductor of the
    Berliner Philharmoniker also explains his attachment to the composer’s work. The edition was designed by Thomas Demand. His photographs symbolise the tensions faced by Shostakovich in the creation of his works: on the outside, the oppressively uniform
    row of iron lockers; on the inside, photographs of flowers in Moscow’s Gorky Park. >>


    https://www.berliner-philharmoniker-recordings.com/shostakovich.html?___store=rec_en

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Oscar on Fri Mar 24 00:57:41 2023
    On Friday, 24 March 2023 at 16:52:47 UTC+11, Oscar wrote:
    It has now dropped on AppleMusic and is streaming in an especial and absorbing Dolby Atmos mix. Looking forward to making my way through this set as the Atmos mix is just killer. Also available on CD + Blu-ray Disc set. Let's get this Shostakovich
    party started. Integrale!


    From Berliner Philharmoniker Recordings:

    << Berliner Philharmoniker
    Kirill Petrenko

    Dmitri Shostakovich
    Symphony No. 8 in C minor op. 65
    Symphony No. 9 in E flat major op. 70
    Symphony No. 10 E minor op. 93

    Kirill Petrenko describes Dmitri Shostakovich’s Eighth Symphony as an “incredible psychological drama”. The composer wrote it while his life was in danger during the Second World War: between a perilous existence and Stalinist censorship. The
    Ninth and Tenth also bear vivid witness to Shostakovich’s confrontation with the regime – and his self-assertion. Berliner Philharmoniker Recordings now releases the recordings of Symphonies 8–10 as the orchestra’s second major hardcover edition
    with chief conductor Kirill Petrenko.

    Musically, each of the three symphonies is a world of its own – what unites them is the desire for freedom: in one case whispered behind closed doors, in another ironically distorted, in another shouted out. Shostakovich’s Eighth delivered a forced-
    smile tragedy to the authority greedy for patriotic hymns. And despite all the camouflage, the work was banned after a few years. With his Ninth Symphony, the composer then made a surprising u-turn, so that he had to remain silent as a symphonist until
    after Stalin’s death – in order to survive himself. Not only the traditional significance of the numbering of the Ninth, but also the fact that the war had been won led the people and officials of the Soviet Union to hope for a grand heroic
    celebration. Instead of redemption at the end of the war, Shostakovich saw the countless victims – and the approach of the next catastrophe. In the detached tone of the First Viennese School and with grotesque gaiety, his Ninth depicts a circus world
    that held up a distorting mirror to the regime.

    The Tenth burst out of Shostakovich – after an eight-year hiatus – immediately after Stalin’s death. Kirill Petrenko calls the work in which the composer makes himself the protagonist the “greatest liberation in his artistic work after the
    Fifth”: his monogram in tones – DSCH – triumphs in a fierce battle over the mighty machinery of the dictatorship. The hope for freedom that stands at the end of this symphony holds great topicality as a musical message.

    The edition contains the recordings, made during the Corona pandemic, on two CDs and a Blu-ray. They are accompanied by an interview film with Kirill Petrenko and in-depth texts on Shostakovich’s works. In the foreword, the chief conductor of the
    Berliner Philharmoniker also explains his attachment to the composer’s work. The edition was designed by Thomas Demand. His photographs symbolise the tensions faced by Shostakovich in the creation of his works: on the outside, the oppressively uniform
    row of iron lockers; on the inside, photographs of flowers in Moscow’s Gorky Park. >>


    https://www.berliner-philharmoniker-recordings.com/shostakovich.html?___store=rec_en

    Hi Oscar. Maybe you can deliver us a review of Kirill Petrenko's readings of 8, 9, and 10, with some comparisons, which would be much appreciated.

    Ray

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to raymond....@gmail.com on Fri Mar 24 03:08:06 2023
    On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 12:57:45 AM UTC-7, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:

    Hi Oscar. Maybe you can deliver us a
    review of Kirill Petrenko's readings of
    8, 9, and 10, with some comparisons,
    which would be much appreciated.


    Oscar is likely to find Bohm's readings
    superior to all others.

    dk

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Fri Mar 24 07:17:07 2023
    On Friday, 24 March 2023 at 21:08:09 UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 12:57:45 AM UTC-7, raymond....gmail.com wrote:

    Hi Oscar. Maybe you can deliver us a
    review of Kirill Petrenko's readings of
    8, 9, and 10, with some comparisons,
    which would be much appreciated.

    Oscar is likely to find Bohm's readings
    superior to all others.

    dk

    I don't think Bohm ever heard of Shosty, let alone conduct him. Has the VPO ever played him. Maybe Fedoseyev did some with the VPO?

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From Bastian Kubis@21:1/5 to raymond....@gmail.com on Fri Mar 24 16:54:08 2023
    On 24.03.23 15:17, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, 24 March 2023 at 21:08:09 UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 12:57:45 AM UTC-7, raymond....gmail.com wrote:

    Hi Oscar. Maybe you can deliver us a
    review of Kirill Petrenko's readings of
    8, 9, and 10, with some comparisons,
    which would be much appreciated.

    Oscar is likely to find Bohm's readings
    superior to all others.

    dk

    I don't think Bohm ever heard of Shosty, let alone conduct him. Has the VPO ever played him. Maybe Fedoseyev did some with the VPO?

    Bernstein recorded 6 & 9 with the VPO for DG. Don't know what else they
    did.

    Bastian

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  • From Bastian Kubis@21:1/5 to Bastian Kubis on Fri Mar 24 17:00:23 2023
    On 24.03.23 16:54, Bastian Kubis wrote:
    On 24.03.23 15:17, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, 24 March 2023 at 21:08:09 UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 12:57:45 AM UTC-7, raymond....gmail.com
    wrote:

    Hi Oscar. Maybe you can deliver us a
    review of Kirill Petrenko's readings of
    8, 9, and 10, with some comparisons,
    which would be much appreciated.

    Oscar is likely to find Bohm's readings
    superior to all others.

    dk

    I don't think Bohm ever heard of Shosty, let alone conduct him. Has
    the VPO ever played him. Maybe Fedoseyev did some with the VPO?

    Bernstein recorded 6 & 9 with the VPO for DG.  Don't know what else they did.

    Solti and Janssons also (both) did the 5th.

    Bastian

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Bastian Kubis on Fri Mar 24 12:02:23 2023
    On 3/24/2023 11:54 AM, Bastian Kubis wrote:
    On 24.03.23 15:17, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, 24 March 2023 at 21:08:09 UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 12:57:45 AM UTC-7, raymond....gmail.com wrote:

    Hi Oscar. Maybe you can deliver us a
    review of Kirill Petrenko's readings of
    8, 9, and 10, with some comparisons,
    which would be much appreciated.

    Oscar is likely to find Bohm's readings
    superior to all others.

    dk

    I don't think Bohm ever heard of Shosty, let alone conduct him. Has the VPO ever played him. Maybe Fedoseyev did some with the VPO?

    Bernstein recorded 6 & 9 with the VPO for DG.  Don't know what else they did.

    Bastian



    4th - Rozhdestvensky - 1978 - Cincin
    5th - Silvestri - 1969 - EMI

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  • From Al Eisner@21:1/5 to Bob Harper on Sat Mar 25 15:37:42 2023
    On Fri, 24 Mar 2023, Bob Harper wrote:

    Has en=yone else heard the Michael Sanderling set of all 15 with the Dresden Philharmonic which was available (briefly) a few year ago? I was lucky enough to strike while the iron was hot and found them really excellent both as performances and as recordings.

    Bob Harper

    I see the set is listed on ebay, new, from somewhere in Japan, at $130 including shipping, more than I would be in the mood to spend. Individua; symphonies are available in MP3 from Amazon at about $4 or $5 each. Are
    there any you would particulasry recommend trying out?

    I'm sure you know his father's terrific partial set.
    --
    Al Eisner

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to raymond....@gmail.com on Sun Mar 26 07:36:58 2023
    On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 7:17:10 AM UTC-7, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, 24 March 2023 at 21:08:09 UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 12:57:45 AM UTC-7, raymond....gmail.com wrote:

    Hi Oscar. Maybe you can deliver us a
    review of Kirill Petrenko's readings of
    8, 9, and 10, with some comparisons,
    which would be much appreciated.

    Oscar is likely to find Bohm's readings
    superior to all others.

    I don't think Bohm ever heard of Shosty, let
    alone conduct him. Has the VPO ever played
    him. Maybe Fedoseyev did some with the VPO?

    In December 1946 Celibidache conducted the
    7th performed by the Berlin Philharmonic:

    https://youtu.be/Uva14858qhQ

    Quite possibly Bohm may have noticed this
    event. I wish someone had interviewed the
    members of the orchestra after the concert.

    dk

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to Oscar on Sun Mar 26 07:26:27 2023
    On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 4:52:47 PM UTC+11, Oscar wrote:
    It has now dropped on AppleMusic and is streaming in an especial and absorbing Dolby Atmos mix. Looking forward to making my way through this set as the Atmos mix is just killer. Also available on CD + Blu-ray Disc set. Let's get this Shostakovich
    party started. Integrale!


    From Berliner Philharmoniker Recordings:

    << Berliner Philharmoniker
    Kirill Petrenko

    Dmitri Shostakovich
    Symphony No. 8 in C minor op. 65
    Symphony No. 9 in E flat major op. 70
    Symphony No. 10 E minor op. 93

    Kirill Petrenko describes Dmitri Shostakovich’s Eighth Symphony as an “incredible psychological drama”. The composer wrote it while his life was in danger during the Second World War: between a perilous existence and Stalinist censorship. The
    Ninth and Tenth also bear vivid witness to Shostakovich’s confrontation with the regime – and his self-assertion. Berliner Philharmoniker Recordings now releases the recordings of Symphonies 8–10 as the orchestra’s second major hardcover edition
    with chief conductor Kirill Petrenko.

    Musically, each of the three symphonies is a world of its own – what unites them is the desire for freedom: in one case whispered behind closed doors, in another ironically distorted, in another shouted out. Shostakovich’s Eighth delivered a forced-
    smile tragedy to the authority greedy for patriotic hymns. And despite all the camouflage, the work was banned after a few years. With his Ninth Symphony, the composer then made a surprising u-turn, so that he had to remain silent as a symphonist until
    after Stalin’s death – in order to survive himself. Not only the traditional significance of the numbering of the Ninth, but also the fact that the war had been won led the people and officials of the Soviet Union to hope for a grand heroic
    celebration. Instead of redemption at the end of the war, Shostakovich saw the countless victims – and the approach of the next catastrophe. In the detached tone of the First Viennese School and with grotesque gaiety, his Ninth depicts a circus world
    that held up a distorting mirror to the regime.

    The Tenth burst out of Shostakovich – after an eight-year hiatus – immediately after Stalin’s death. Kirill Petrenko calls the work in which the composer makes himself the protagonist the “greatest liberation in his artistic work after the
    Fifth”: his monogram in tones – DSCH – triumphs in a fierce battle over the mighty machinery of the dictatorship. The hope for freedom that stands at the end of this symphony holds great topicality as a musical message.

    The edition contains the recordings, made during the Corona pandemic, on two CDs and a Blu-ray. They are accompanied by an interview film with Kirill Petrenko and in-depth texts on Shostakovich’s works. In the foreword, the chief conductor of the
    Berliner Philharmoniker also explains his attachment to the composer’s work. The edition was designed by Thomas Demand. His photographs symbolise the tensions faced by Shostakovich in the creation of his works: on the outside, the oppressively uniform
    row of iron lockers; on the inside, photographs of flowers in Moscow’s Gorky Park. >>


    https://www.berliner-philharmoniker-recordings.com/shostakovich.html?___store=rec_en

    Live performances of all three conducted by Petrenko are available at the Digital Concert Hall. There is a strong possibility that these were the performances now available on CD.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From Gerard@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 26 08:05:19 2023
    Op zondag 26 maart 2023 om 16:26:29 UTC+2 schreef Andrew Clarke:
    On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 4:52:47 PM UTC+11, Oscar wrote:
    It has now dropped on AppleMusic and is streaming in an especial and absorbing Dolby Atmos mix. Looking forward to making my way through this set as the Atmos mix is just killer. Also available on CD + Blu-ray Disc set. Let's get this Shostakovich
    party started. Integrale!


    From Berliner Philharmoniker Recordings:

    << Berliner Philharmoniker
    Kirill Petrenko

    Dmitri Shostakovich
    Symphony No. 8 in C minor op. 65
    Symphony No. 9 in E flat major op. 70
    Symphony No. 10 E minor op. 93

    Kirill Petrenko describes Dmitri Shostakovich’s Eighth Symphony as an “incredible psychological drama”. The composer wrote it while his life was in danger during the Second World War: between a perilous existence and Stalinist censorship. The
    Ninth and Tenth also bear vivid witness to Shostakovich’s confrontation with the regime – and his self-assertion. Berliner Philharmoniker Recordings now releases the recordings of Symphonies 8–10 as the orchestra’s second major hardcover edition
    with chief conductor Kirill Petrenko.

    Musically, each of the three symphonies is a world of its own – what unites them is the desire for freedom: in one case whispered behind closed doors, in another ironically distorted, in another shouted out. Shostakovich’s Eighth delivered a
    forced-smile tragedy to the authority greedy for patriotic hymns. And despite all the camouflage, the work was banned after a few years. With his Ninth Symphony, the composer then made a surprising u-turn, so that he had to remain silent as a symphonist
    until after Stalin’s death – in order to survive himself. Not only the traditional significance of the numbering of the Ninth, but also the fact that the war had been won led the people and officials of the Soviet Union to hope for a grand heroic
    celebration. Instead of redemption at the end of the war, Shostakovich saw the countless victims – and the approach of the next catastrophe. In the detached tone of the First Viennese School and with grotesque gaiety, his Ninth depicts a circus world
    that held up a distorting mirror to the regime.

    The Tenth burst out of Shostakovich – after an eight-year hiatus – immediately after Stalin’s death. Kirill Petrenko calls the work in which the composer makes himself the protagonist the “greatest liberation in his artistic work after the
    Fifth”: his monogram in tones – DSCH – triumphs in a fierce battle over the mighty machinery of the dictatorship. The hope for freedom that stands at the end of this symphony holds great topicality as a musical message.

    The edition contains the recordings, made during the Corona pandemic, on two CDs and a Blu-ray. They are accompanied by an interview film with Kirill Petrenko and in-depth texts on Shostakovich’s works. In the foreword, the chief conductor of the
    Berliner Philharmoniker also explains his attachment to the composer’s work. The edition was designed by Thomas Demand. His photographs symbolise the tensions faced by Shostakovich in the creation of his works: on the outside, the oppressively uniform
    row of iron lockers; on the inside, photographs of flowers in Moscow’s Gorky Park. >>


    https://www.berliner-philharmoniker-recordings.com/shostakovich.html?___store=rec_en
    Live performances of all three conducted by Petrenko are available at the Digital Concert Hall. There is a strong possibility that these were the performances now available on CD.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

    They are available on CD. https://www.musicwebinternational.com/2023/03/shostakovich-symphonies-8-10-berliner-philharmoniker-recordings/

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  • From Gerard@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 26 14:51:44 2023
    Op zondag 26 maart 2023 om 23:37:55 UTC+2 schreef Andrew Clarke:
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 2:05:22 AM UTC+11, Gerard wrote:
    Op zondag 26 maart 2023 om 16:26:29 UTC+2 schreef Andrew Clarke:
    On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 4:52:47 PM UTC+11, Oscar wrote:
    It has now dropped on AppleMusic and is streaming in an especial and absorbing Dolby Atmos mix. Looking forward to making my way through this set as the Atmos mix is just killer. Also available on CD + Blu-ray Disc set. Let's get this
    Shostakovich party started. Integrale!


    From Berliner Philharmoniker Recordings:

    << Berliner Philharmoniker
    Kirill Petrenko

    Dmitri Shostakovich
    Symphony No. 8 in C minor op. 65
    Symphony No. 9 in E flat major op. 70
    Symphony No. 10 E minor op. 93

    Kirill Petrenko describes Dmitri Shostakovich’s Eighth Symphony as an “incredible psychological drama”. The composer wrote it while his life was in danger during the Second World War: between a perilous existence and Stalinist censorship.
    The Ninth and Tenth also bear vivid witness to Shostakovich’s confrontation with the regime – and his self-assertion. Berliner Philharmoniker Recordings now releases the recordings of Symphonies 8–10 as the orchestra’s second major hardcover
    edition with chief conductor Kirill Petrenko.

    Musically, each of the three symphonies is a world of its own – what unites them is the desire for freedom: in one case whispered behind closed doors, in another ironically distorted, in another shouted out. Shostakovich’s Eighth delivered a
    forced-smile tragedy to the authority greedy for patriotic hymns. And despite all the camouflage, the work was banned after a few years. With his Ninth Symphony, the composer then made a surprising u-turn, so that he had to remain silent as a symphonist
    until after Stalin’s death – in order to survive himself. Not only the traditional significance of the numbering of the Ninth, but also the fact that the war had been won led the people and officials of the Soviet Union to hope for a grand heroic
    celebration. Instead of redemption at the end of the war, Shostakovich saw the countless victims – and the approach of the next catastrophe. In the detached tone of the First Viennese School and with grotesque gaiety, his Ninth depicts a circus world
    that held up a distorting mirror to the regime.

    The Tenth burst out of Shostakovich – after an eight-year hiatus – immediately after Stalin’s death. Kirill Petrenko calls the work in which the composer makes himself the protagonist the “greatest liberation in his artistic work after
    the Fifth”: his monogram in tones – DSCH – triumphs in a fierce battle over the mighty machinery of the dictatorship. The hope for freedom that stands at the end of this symphony holds great topicality as a musical message.

    The edition contains the recordings, made during the Corona pandemic, on two CDs and a Blu-ray. They are accompanied by an interview film with Kirill Petrenko and in-depth texts on Shostakovich’s works. In the foreword, the chief conductor of
    the Berliner Philharmoniker also explains his attachment to the composer’s work. The edition was designed by Thomas Demand. His photographs symbolise the tensions faced by Shostakovich in the creation of his works: on the outside, the oppressively
    uniform row of iron lockers; on the inside, photographs of flowers in Moscow’s Gorky Park. >>


    https://www.berliner-philharmoniker-recordings.com/shostakovich.html?___store=rec_en
    Live performances of all three conducted by Petrenko are available at the Digital Concert Hall. There is a strong possibility that these were the performances now available on CD.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    They are available on CD. https://www.musicwebinternational.com/2023/03/shostakovich-symphonies-8-10-berliner-philharmoniker-recordings/
    The point I was making, Gerard, is that if you subscribe to the Digital Concert Hall, as Al and I do, you do not need the CDs.


    I misunderstood your remark "There is a strong possibility that these were the performances now available on CD. ". I did not see "were" and "now".

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to Gerard on Sun Mar 26 14:37:52 2023
    On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 2:05:22 AM UTC+11, Gerard wrote:
    Op zondag 26 maart 2023 om 16:26:29 UTC+2 schreef Andrew Clarke:
    On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 4:52:47 PM UTC+11, Oscar wrote:
    It has now dropped on AppleMusic and is streaming in an especial and absorbing Dolby Atmos mix. Looking forward to making my way through this set as the Atmos mix is just killer. Also available on CD + Blu-ray Disc set. Let's get this Shostakovich
    party started. Integrale!


    From Berliner Philharmoniker Recordings:

    << Berliner Philharmoniker
    Kirill Petrenko

    Dmitri Shostakovich
    Symphony No. 8 in C minor op. 65
    Symphony No. 9 in E flat major op. 70
    Symphony No. 10 E minor op. 93

    Kirill Petrenko describes Dmitri Shostakovich’s Eighth Symphony as an “incredible psychological drama”. The composer wrote it while his life was in danger during the Second World War: between a perilous existence and Stalinist censorship. The
    Ninth and Tenth also bear vivid witness to Shostakovich’s confrontation with the regime – and his self-assertion. Berliner Philharmoniker Recordings now releases the recordings of Symphonies 8–10 as the orchestra’s second major hardcover edition
    with chief conductor Kirill Petrenko.

    Musically, each of the three symphonies is a world of its own – what unites them is the desire for freedom: in one case whispered behind closed doors, in another ironically distorted, in another shouted out. Shostakovich’s Eighth delivered a
    forced-smile tragedy to the authority greedy for patriotic hymns. And despite all the camouflage, the work was banned after a few years. With his Ninth Symphony, the composer then made a surprising u-turn, so that he had to remain silent as a symphonist
    until after Stalin’s death – in order to survive himself. Not only the traditional significance of the numbering of the Ninth, but also the fact that the war had been won led the people and officials of the Soviet Union to hope for a grand heroic
    celebration. Instead of redemption at the end of the war, Shostakovich saw the countless victims – and the approach of the next catastrophe. In the detached tone of the First Viennese School and with grotesque gaiety, his Ninth depicts a circus world
    that held up a distorting mirror to the regime.

    The Tenth burst out of Shostakovich – after an eight-year hiatus – immediately after Stalin’s death. Kirill Petrenko calls the work in which the composer makes himself the protagonist the “greatest liberation in his artistic work after the
    Fifth”: his monogram in tones – DSCH – triumphs in a fierce battle over the mighty machinery of the dictatorship. The hope for freedom that stands at the end of this symphony holds great topicality as a musical message.

    The edition contains the recordings, made during the Corona pandemic, on two CDs and a Blu-ray. They are accompanied by an interview film with Kirill Petrenko and in-depth texts on Shostakovich’s works. In the foreword, the chief conductor of the
    Berliner Philharmoniker also explains his attachment to the composer’s work. The edition was designed by Thomas Demand. His photographs symbolise the tensions faced by Shostakovich in the creation of his works: on the outside, the oppressively uniform
    row of iron lockers; on the inside, photographs of flowers in Moscow’s Gorky Park. >>


    https://www.berliner-philharmoniker-recordings.com/shostakovich.html?___store=rec_en
    Live performances of all three conducted by Petrenko are available at the Digital Concert Hall. There is a strong possibility that these were the performances now available on CD.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    They are available on CD. https://www.musicwebinternational.com/2023/03/shostakovich-symphonies-8-10-berliner-philharmoniker-recordings/

    The point I was making, Gerard, is that if you subscribe to the Digital Concert Hall, as Al and I do, you do not need the CDs.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From Bob Harper@21:1/5 to Al Eisner on Sun Mar 26 16:46:12 2023
    On 3/25/23 3:37 PM, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Fri, 24 Mar 2023, Bob Harper wrote:

    Has anyone else heard the Michael Sanderling set of all 15 with the
    Dresden Philharmonic which was available (briefly) a few year ago? I
    was lucky enough to strike while the iron was hot and found them
    really excellent both as performances and as recordings.

    Bob Harper

    I see the set is listed on ebay, new, from somewhere in Japan, at $130 including shipping, more than I would be in the mood to spend.  Individua; symphonies are available in MP3 from Amazon at about $4 or $5 each.  Are there any you would particulasry recommend trying out?

    I'm sure you know his father's terrific partial set.

    It's been a while since I listened to them, but 8, 10, and 15 I
    particularly thought excellent. The sound is outstanding throughout.

    Yes, I'm familiar with his father's recordings. Typically grim (not a
    negative criticism). That said, I think his live 15th, coupled with the
    Haydn 82nd on a Welt am Sonntag CD (part of a series called 'Im Takt Der
    Zeit') the finest I've ever heard.

    The series can be found here:
    tinyurl.com/47t365x6
    Don't remember how I happened to score this particular CD.

    Bob Harper

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  • From mswdesign@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Bob Harper on Mon Mar 27 06:02:46 2023
    On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 6:46:17 PM UTC-5, Bob Harper wrote:
    tinyurl.com/47t365x6
    Don't remember how I happened to score this particular CD.

    Link isn't working for me. Got a replacement? Thx

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  • From mswdesign@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Bob Harper on Mon Mar 27 06:01:04 2023
    On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 6:46:17 PM UTC-5, Bob Harper wrote:
    On 3/25/23 3:37 PM, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Fri, 24 Mar 2023, Bob Harper wrote:

    Has anyone else heard the Michael Sanderling set of all 15 with the
    Dresden Philharmonic which was available (briefly) a few year ago? I
    was lucky enough to strike while the iron was hot and found them
    really excellent both as performances and as recordings.

    Bob Harper

    I see the set is listed on ebay, new, from somewhere in Japan, at $130 including shipping, more than I would be in the mood to spend. Individua; symphonies are available in MP3 from Amazon at about $4 or $5 each. Are there any you would particulasry recommend trying out?

    I'm sure you know his father's terrific partial set.
    It's been a while since I listened to them, but 8, 10, and 15 I
    particularly thought excellent. The sound is outstanding throughout.

    Yes, I'm familiar with his father's recordings. Typically grim (not a negative criticism). That said, I think his live 15th, coupled with the Haydn 82nd on a Welt am Sonntag CD (part of a series called 'Im Takt Der Zeit') the finest I've ever heard.

    The series can be found here:
    tinyurl.com/47t365x6
    Don't remember how I happened to score this particular CD.

    Bob Harper

    Bob, I thought the Michael Sanderling recordings had something good going for them in well-directed performances, excellent sound, and a playing manner from the Dresden orchestra that is clearly German and refined, yet still effective. Thing is, I can't
    remember which symphony impressed me most for this. 6? It is a shame these are so hard to come by at this point. I've had his disc of Shosty 1/Beethoven 1 on a list for a long time and it never dips below $30 for the single disc.

    Michael

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to mswd...@gmail.com on Mon Mar 27 12:33:50 2023
    On 3/27/2023 9:01 AM, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 6:46:17 PM UTC-5, Bob Harper wrote:
    On 3/25/23 3:37 PM, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Fri, 24 Mar 2023, Bob Harper wrote:

    Has anyone else heard the Michael Sanderling set of all 15 with the
    Dresden Philharmonic which was available (briefly) a few year ago? I
    was lucky enough to strike while the iron was hot and found them
    really excellent both as performances and as recordings.

    Bob Harper

    I see the set is listed on ebay, new, from somewhere in Japan, at $130
    including shipping, more than I would be in the mood to spend. Individua; >>> symphonies are available in MP3 from Amazon at about $4 or $5 each. Are >>> there any you would particulasry recommend trying out?

    I'm sure you know his father's terrific partial set.
    It's been a while since I listened to them, but 8, 10, and 15 I
    particularly thought excellent. The sound is outstanding throughout.

    Yes, I'm familiar with his father's recordings. Typically grim (not a
    negative criticism). That said, I think his live 15th, coupled with the
    Haydn 82nd on a Welt am Sonntag CD (part of a series called 'Im Takt Der
    Zeit') the finest I've ever heard.

    The series can be found here:
    tinyurl.com/47t365x6
    Don't remember how I happened to score this particular CD.

    Bob Harper

    Bob, I thought the Michael Sanderling recordings had something good going for them in well-directed performances, excellent sound, and a playing manner from the Dresden orchestra that is clearly German and refined, yet still effective. Thing is, I can'
    t remember which symphony impressed me most for this. 6? It is a shame these are so hard to come by at this point. I've had his disc of Shosty 1/Beethoven 1 on a list for a long time and it never dips below $30 for the single disc.

    Michael


    The box of Sanderling's Shostakovich symphonies shows up now and then on Ebay. Last sold for $110. Interesting that his Beethoven symphonies (about which I know nothing) appear only to have been released on a set of disks each paired with a Shostakovich
    symphony.

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  • From Al Eisner@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Tue Mar 28 21:35:29 2023
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Mon, 27 Mar 2023, Frank Berger wrote:

    On 3/27/2023 9:01 AM, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 6:46:17 PM UTC-5, Bob Harper wrote:
    On 3/25/23 3:37 PM, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Fri, 24 Mar 2023, Bob Harper wrote:

    Has anyone else heard the Michael Sanderling set of all 15 with the
    Dresden Philharmonic which was available (briefly) a few year ago? I >>>>> was lucky enough to strike while the iron was hot and found them
    really excellent both as performances and as recordings.

    Bob Harper

    I see the set is listed on ebay, new, from somewhere in Japan, at $130 >>>> including shipping, more than I would be in the mood to spend.
    Individua;
    symphonies are available in MP3 from Amazon at about $4 or $5 each. Are >>>> there any you would particulasry recommend trying out?

    I'm sure you know his father's terrific partial set.
    It's been a while since I listened to them, but 8, 10, and 15 I
    particularly thought excellent. The sound is outstanding throughout.

    Yes, I'm familiar with his father's recordings. Typically grim (not a
    negative criticism). That said, I think his live 15th, coupled with the
    Haydn 82nd on a Welt am Sonntag CD (part of a series called 'Im Takt Der >>> Zeit') the finest I've ever heard.

    The series can be found here:
    tinyurl.com/47t365x6
    Don't remember how I happened to score this particular CD.

    Bob Harper

    Bob, I thought the Michael Sanderling recordings had something good going >> for them in well-directed performances, excellent sound, and a playing
    manner from the Dresden orchestra that is clearly German and refined, yet >> still effective. Thing is, I can't remember which symphony impressed me
    most for this. 6? It is a shame these are so hard to come by at this point. >> I've had his disc of Shosty 1/Beethoven 1 on a list for a long time and it >> never dips below $30 for the single disc.

    Michael


    The box of Sanderling's Shostakovich symphonies shows up now and then on Ebay. Last sold for $110.

    As noted above, still available there. But I think I'll try it out by downloading one symphony from Amazon. Probably 8 or 10, which I can then compare to the K. Petrenko.

    Interesting that his Beethoven symphonies (about
    which I know nothing) appear only to have been released on a set of disks each paired with a Shostakovich symphony.
    --
    Al Eisner

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  • From Mr. Mike@21:1/5 to bob.harper@comcast.net on Wed Mar 29 06:42:21 2023
    On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 17:06:57 -0700, Bob Harper
    <bob.harper@comcast.net> wrote:

    Has en=yone else heard the Michael Sanderling set of all 15 with the
    Dresden Philharmonic which was available (briefly) a few year ago? I was >lucky enough to strike while the iron was hot and found them really
    excellent both as performances and as recordings.

    When Hurwitz was discussing "the best Shostakovich box" a while ago,
    he mentioned the M. Sanderling one, which he had just received and
    expressed some enthusiasm for it. Some time later, someone commented
    to one of his YouTube videos, wondering what he finally thought of it,
    but Hurwitz said words to the effect that "considering it went out of
    print almost immediately, I didn't deal with it."

    M. Sanderling did a sensational version of the Leningrad symphony on
    01 Jun 2019 with the Berlin Philharmonic, available in the Digital
    Concert Hall. At its conclusion, the audience went totally nuts
    (favorably).

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  • From Alex Brown@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Wed Mar 29 15:22:20 2023
    On 27/03/2023 17:33, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/27/2023 9:01 AM, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 6:46:17 PM UTC-5, Bob Harper wrote:
    On 3/25/23 3:37 PM, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Fri, 24 Mar 2023, Bob Harper wrote:

    Has anyone else heard the Michael Sanderling set of all 15 with the
    Dresden Philharmonic which was available (briefly) a few year ago? I >>>>> was lucky enough to strike while the iron was hot and found them
    really excellent both as performances and as recordings.

    Bob Harper

    I see the set is listed on ebay, new, from somewhere in Japan, at $130 >>>> including shipping, more than I would be in the mood to spend.
    Individua;
    symphonies are available in MP3 from Amazon at about $4 or $5 each.
    Are
    there any you would particulasry recommend trying out?

    I'm sure you know his father's terrific partial set.
    It's been a while since I listened to them, but 8, 10, and 15 I
    particularly thought excellent. The sound is outstanding throughout.

    Yes, I'm familiar with his father's recordings. Typically grim (not a
    negative criticism). That said, I think his live 15th, coupled with the
    Haydn 82nd on a Welt am Sonntag CD (part of a series called 'Im Takt Der >>> Zeit') the finest I've ever heard.

    The series can be found here:
    tinyurl.com/47t365x6
    Don't remember how I happened to score this particular CD.

    Bob Harper

    Bob, I thought the Michael Sanderling recordings had something good
    going for them in well-directed performances, excellent sound, and a
    playing manner from the Dresden orchestra that is clearly German and
    refined, yet still effective. Thing is, I can't remember which
    symphony impressed me most for this. 6? It is a shame these are so
    hard to come by at this point. I've had his disc of Shosty 1/Beethoven
    1 on a list for a long time and it never dips below $30 for the single
    disc.

    Michael


    The box of Sanderling's Shostakovich symphonies shows up now and then on Ebay. Last sold for $110. Interesting that his Beethoven symphonies
    (about which I know nothing) appear only to have been released on a set
    of disks each paired with a Shostakovich symphony.

    The set is available to stream hi-res from Qobuz.

    With the and the Wigglesworth cycle from BIS we're rather spoiled for
    excellent 'modern' Shosti symphony recordings.

    --
    - Alex Brown

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  • From Bob Harper@21:1/5 to mswd...@gmail.com on Wed Mar 29 08:30:11 2023
    On 3/27/23 6:02 AM, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 6:46:17 PM UTC-5, Bob Harper wrote:
    tinyurl.com/47t365x6
    Don't remember how I happened to score this particular CD.

    Link isn't working for me. Got a replacement? Thx

    Try this:

    https://www.amazon.com/Berliner-Philharmoniker-Im-Takt-Zeit/dp/3898162478/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?keywords=Im+Takt+der+zeit+bpo+cds&qid=1680103749&sr=8-2-fkmr0

    Just worked for me.

    Bob Harper

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  • From Bob Harper@21:1/5 to Mr. Mike on Wed Mar 29 08:32:02 2023
    On 3/29/23 6:42 AM, Mr. Mike wrote:
    On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 17:06:57 -0700, Bob Harper
    <bob.harper@comcast.net> wrote:

    Has en=yone else heard the Michael Sanderling set of all 15 with the
    Dresden Philharmonic which was available (briefly) a few year ago? I was
    lucky enough to strike while the iron was hot and found them really
    excellent both as performances and as recordings.

    When Hurwitz was discussing "the best Shostakovich box" a while ago,
    he mentioned the M. Sanderling one, which he had just received and
    expressed some enthusiasm for it. Some time later, someone commented
    to one of his YouTube videos, wondering what he finally thought of it,
    but Hurwitz said words to the effect that "considering it went out of
    print almost immediately, I didn't deal with it."

    M. Sanderling did a sensational version of the Leningrad symphony on
    01 Jun 2019 with the Berlin Philharmonic, available in the Digital
    Concert Hall. At its conclusion, the audience went totally nuts
    (favorably).


    Yeah, that box is the new Szell box :)--or so it would seem.

    Bob Harper

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