I've become really intrigued by this recording. Is there anyone else who makes these etudes sound so beautiful? And makes them sound so consistent with Debussy's style in other music like Preludes II.them sound to me like some of Debussy's best poetry.
I just tried to listen to Joseph Moog play the first book, and though it's clearly fabulous pianism, I felt it didn't have the magic of Ferber. Somehow Moog seemed reductive, reducing the music to thrills about speed and piano technique. Ferber makes
Here, if you don't know it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk_bU7nlX2c&ab_channel=OnTheTopofDamavandforever
Op donderdag 23 maart 2023 om 17:59:01 UTC+1 schreef Mandryka:them sound to me like some of Debussy's best poetry.
I've become really intrigued by this recording. Is there anyone else who makes these etudes sound so beautiful? And makes them sound so consistent with Debussy's style in other music like Preludes II.
I just tried to listen to Joseph Moog play the first book, and though it's clearly fabulous pianism, I felt it didn't have the magic of Ferber. Somehow Moog seemed reductive, reducing the music to thrills about speed and piano technique. Ferber makes
Here, if you don't know it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk_bU7nlX2c&ab_channel=OnTheTopofDamavandforever
Moog's version of the Debussy études is one of the least interesting I know. Ferber is good but not one of my favourites.
Henk
I've become really intrigued by this recording. Is there anyone else who makes these etudes sound so beautiful? And makes them sound so consistent with Debussy's style in other music like Preludes II.
On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 16:59:01 UTC, Mandryka wrote:Other good ones are Gieseking, Rosen, Thibaudet, Queffelec. If you want something a bit more original there's Bonaventura. I don't think there's a perfect set of these etudes - some pianists come closer than others.
I've become really intrigued by this recording. Is there anyone else who makes these etudes sound so beautiful? And makes them sound so consistent with Debussy's style in other music like Preludes II.Ferber pulls the music about a lot, and I would hate to call that "consistent with Debussy's style" any more than pulling Chopin about represents "Chopin style". Paul Jacobs and others play the music fairly straight but with feeling and musicality.
On 3/23/2023 2:03 PM, HT wrote:makes them sound to me like some of Debussy's best poetry.
Op donderdag 23 maart 2023 om 17:59:01 UTC+1 schreef Mandryka:
I've become really intrigued by this recording. Is there anyone else who makes these etudes sound so beautiful? And makes them sound so consistent with Debussy's style in other music like Preludes II.
I just tried to listen to Joseph Moog play the first book, and though it's clearly fabulous pianism, I felt it didn't have the magic of Ferber. Somehow Moog seemed reductive, reducing the music to thrills about speed and piano technique. Ferber
Here, if you don't know it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk_bU7nlX2c&ab_channel=OnTheTopofDamavandforever
Moog's version of the Debussy études is one of the least interesting I know. Ferber is good but not one of my favourites.
Henk
Prefer his Fauré.
On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 6:29:56 PM UTC, Andy Evans wrote:Other good ones are Gieseking, Rosen, Thibaudet, Queffelec. If you want something a bit more original there's Bonaventura. I don't think there's a perfect set of these etudes - some pianists come closer than others.
On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 16:59:01 UTC, Mandryka wrote:
I've become really intrigued by this recording. Is there anyone else who makes these etudes sound so beautiful? And makes them sound so consistent with Debussy's style in other music like Preludes II.Ferber pulls the music about a lot, and I would hate to call that "consistent with Debussy's style" any more than pulling Chopin about represents "Chopin style". Paul Jacobs and others play the music fairly straight but with feeling and musicality.
Mercifully I don’t play piano well enough to notice whether the music is being pulled about. What Ferber does sounds quite natural to me.listen again to Queffelec and Jacobs to comment - to be honest I don’t remember their recordings at all.
Of those you mentioned, the only one which has caught my imagination is Bonaventura - but I can certainly see that Thibaudet is interesting and I intend to give it more time. I can do without Gieseking and Rosen myself in this music, I should need to
On 3/23/2023 2:03 PM, HT wrote:makes them sound to me like some of Debussy's best poetry.
Op donderdag 23 maart 2023 om 17:59:01 UTC+1 schreef Mandryka:
I've become really intrigued by this recording. Is there anyone else who makes these etudes sound so beautiful? And makes them sound so consistent with Debussy's style in other music like Preludes II.
I just tried to listen to Joseph Moog play the first book, and though it's clearly fabulous pianism, I felt it didn't have the magic of Ferber. Somehow Moog seemed reductive, reducing the music to thrills about speed and piano technique. Ferber
Here, if you don't know it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk_bU7nlX2c&ab_channel=OnTheTopofDamavandforever
Moog's version of the Debussy études is one of the least interesting I know. Ferber is good but not one of my favourites.
Henk
Prefer his Fauré.
Op donderdag 23 maart 2023 om 19:40:31 UTC+1 schreef Mandryka:Other good ones are Gieseking, Rosen, Thibaudet, Queffelec. If you want something a bit more original there's Bonaventura. I don't think there's a perfect set of these etudes - some pianists come closer than others.
On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 6:29:56 PM UTC, Andy Evans wrote:
On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 16:59:01 UTC, Mandryka wrote:
I've become really intrigued by this recording. Is there anyone else who makes these etudes sound so beautiful? And makes them sound so consistent with Debussy's style in other music like Preludes II.Ferber pulls the music about a lot, and I would hate to call that "consistent with Debussy's style" any more than pulling Chopin about represents "Chopin style". Paul Jacobs and others play the music fairly straight but with feeling and musicality.
listen again to Queffelec and Jacobs to comment - to be honest I don’t remember their recordings at all.Mercifully I don’t play piano well enough to notice whether the music is being pulled about. What Ferber does sounds quite natural to me.
Of those you mentioned, the only one which has caught my imagination is Bonaventura - but I can certainly see that Thibaudet is interesting and I intend to give it more time. I can do without Gieseking and Rosen myself in this music, I should need to
Bonaventura is special. These days I'm not only a fan of Crochet's Bach but also of her Fauré. Jacobs and Queffelec are excellent - and quite a few more.
Henk
On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 7:05:53 PM UTC, HT wrote:musicality. Other good ones are Gieseking, Rosen, Thibaudet, Queffelec. If you want something a bit more original there's Bonaventura. I don't think there's a perfect set of these etudes - some pianists come closer than others.
Op donderdag 23 maart 2023 om 19:40:31 UTC+1 schreef Mandryka:
On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 6:29:56 PM UTC, Andy Evans wrote:
On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 16:59:01 UTC, Mandryka wrote:
I've become really intrigued by this recording. Is there anyone else who makes these etudes sound so beautiful? And makes them sound so consistent with Debussy's style in other music like Preludes II.Ferber pulls the music about a lot, and I would hate to call that "consistent with Debussy's style" any more than pulling Chopin about represents "Chopin style". Paul Jacobs and others play the music fairly straight but with feeling and
to listen again to Queffelec and Jacobs to comment - to be honest I don’t remember their recordings at all.Mercifully I don’t play piano well enough to notice whether the music is being pulled about. What Ferber does sounds quite natural to me.
Of those you mentioned, the only one which has caught my imagination is Bonaventura - but I can certainly see that Thibaudet is interesting and I intend to give it more time. I can do without Gieseking and Rosen myself in this music, I should need
Bonaventura is special. These days I'm not only a fan of Crochet's Bach but also of her Fauré. Jacobs and Queffelec are excellent - and quite a few more.
HenkWhat do you think of Soulima Stravinsky, Igor's son? I've only just found it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwLErZ9mXM4&ab_channel=OnTheTopofDamavandforever
Oh I now see that you said a couple of years ago that you don't like it at all. Sorry to raise a bad memory!
On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 7:05:53 PM UTC, HT wrote:musicality. Other good ones are Gieseking, Rosen, Thibaudet, Queffelec. If you want something a bit more original there's Bonaventura. I don't think there's a perfect set of these etudes - some pianists come closer than others.
Op donderdag 23 maart 2023 om 19:40:31 UTC+1 schreef Mandryka:
On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 6:29:56 PM UTC, Andy Evans wrote:
On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 16:59:01 UTC, Mandryka wrote:
I've become really intrigued by this recording. Is there anyone else who makes these etudes sound so beautiful? And makes them sound so consistent with Debussy's style in other music like Preludes II.Ferber pulls the music about a lot, and I would hate to call that "consistent with Debussy's style" any more than pulling Chopin about represents "Chopin style". Paul Jacobs and others play the music fairly straight but with feeling and
to listen again to Queffelec and Jacobs to comment - to be honest I don’t remember their recordings at all.Mercifully I don’t play piano well enough to notice whether the music is being pulled about. What Ferber does sounds quite natural to me.
Of those you mentioned, the only one which has caught my imagination is Bonaventura - but I can certainly see that Thibaudet is interesting and I intend to give it more time. I can do without Gieseking and Rosen myself in this music, I should need
Bonaventura is special. These days I'm not only a fan of Crochet's Bach but also of her Fauré. Jacobs and Queffelec are excellent - and quite a few more.
HenkWhat do you think of Soulima Stravinsky, Igor's son? I've only just found it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwLErZ9mXM4&ab_channel=OnTheTopofDamavandforever
Anyone heard Nina Tichman’s Debussy?
(I’ve been enjoying her variations sérieuses
and I’m wondering whether to take a punt on
anything else from her.)
Anyone heard Nina Tichman’s Debussy? (I’ve been enjoying her variations sérieuses and I’m wondering whether to take a punt on anything else from her.)
Op zaterdag 25 maart 2023 om 06:45:36 UTC+1 schreef Mandryka:
Anyone heard Nina Tichman’s Debussy?
(I’ve been enjoying her variations sérieuses
and I’m wondering whether to take a punt on
anything else from her.)
She's not in my top 20 but she can certainly play the
études. You should give her a try if you can find the
time.
Op zaterdag 25 maart 2023 om 11:46:39 UTC+1 schreef Dan Koren:
Because it wouldn't be a waste of time, if you have the time. Tichman really can play the études. It's just a matter of taste. I probably have 100 versions of the études and only really dislike Moog and Soulima Stravinsky and a few others.
Henk
Cheers Henk. Is it Vol 1, this one?
https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8657855--debussy-integrale-loeuvre
Op zaterdag 25 maart 2023 om 12:38:40 UTC+1 schreef Mandryka:
Cheers Henk. Is it Vol 1, this one?
https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8657855--debussy-integrale-loeuvreYes, it is:
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Nina-Tichman/dp/B000025SFV/ref=sr_1_10?crid=I4VNCXQ58EXO&keywords=tichman&qid=1679746638&s=music&sprefix=tichman%2Cpopular%2C74&sr=1-10
Henk
On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 12:19:28 PM UTC, HT wrote:
Op zaterdag 25 maart 2023 om 12:38:40 UTC+1 schreef Mandryka:
Cheers Henk. Is it Vol 1, this one?
https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8657855--debussy-integrale-loeuvreYes, it is:
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Nina-Tichman/dp/B000025SFV/ref=sr_1_10?crid=I4VNCXQ58EXO&keywords=tichman&qid=1679746638&s=music&sprefix=tichman%2Cpopular%2C74&sr=1-10
HenkThanks, I’ve ordered a copy.
I tried the Korstick this afternoon but it seemed a little too intrusive to me, as if I was always aware of a pianist “having ideas.” And the tone didn’t appeal - I expect I’ll get more out of it another day, another mood.
More positively I’ve started to listen to Beroff on Denon, and I’m getting into it. Put it like this - if it were a concert I’d be on my feet shouting “bravo”
Op zaterdag 25 maart 2023 om 19:10:29 UTC+1 schreef Mandryka:
On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 12:19:28 PM UTC, HT wrote:
Op zaterdag 25 maart 2023 om 12:38:40 UTC+1 schreef Mandryka:Thanks, I’ve ordered a copy.
Cheers Henk. Is it Vol 1, this one?Yes, it is:
https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8657855--debussy-integrale-loeuvre
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Nina-Tichman/dp/B000025SFV/ref=sr_1_10?crid=I4VNCXQ58EXO&keywords=tichman&qid=1679746638&s=music&sprefix=tichman%2Cpopular%2C74&sr=1-10
Henk
I tried the Korstick this afternoon but it seemed a little too intrusive to me, as if I was always aware of a pianist “having ideas.” And the tone didn’t appeal - I expect I’ll get more out of it another day, another mood.
More positively I’ve started to listen to Beroff on Denon, and I’m getting into it. Put it like this - if it were a concert I’d be on my feet shouting “bravo”
Beroff is one of the best. Did you try the early Bavouzet version?
Henk
Henk
Anne Queffelec
On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 4:07:53 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
Anne Queffelec
This is it: https://youtu.be/Bx6ufmtUEHs
On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 4:07:53 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
Anne Queffelec
This is it: https://youtu.be/Bx6ufmtUEHs
Enjoy! And stay away from Mitsuko.
Op zondag 26 maart 2023 om 07:48:25 UTC+2 schreef Dan Koren:
On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 4:07:53 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:
Anne Queffelec
This is it: https://youtu.be/Bx6ufmtUEHs
Enjoy! And stay away from Mitsuko.
No reason to stay away from her. Her version is fine,
although there are more interesting versions.
On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 6:38:21 PM UTC, HT wrote:
Did you try the early Bavouzet version?
HenkAh, I see I really am dealing with a completist. I'm going to have to hear that now by hook or by crook.
For all the problems with rmcr, it's still an extraordinary place.
Got it! Will comment later on the differences between Bav I and Bav II. All I can say now is that the earlier seems less about transcendental virtuosity. I’m noticing more humane and tender moments. But I could be wrong of course.
Op zondag 26 maart 2023 om 18:43:20 UTC+2 schreef Mandryka:
Got it! Will comment later on the differences between Bav I and Bav II. All I can say now is that the earlier seems less about transcendental virtuosity. I’m noticing more humane and tender moments. But I could be wrong of course.Looking forward to your review!
Henk
On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 2:27:01 PM UTC-4, HT wrote:
Op zondag 26 maart 2023 om 18:43:20 UTC+2 schreef Mandryka:
Got it! Will comment later on the differences between Bav I and Bav II. All I can say now is that the earlier seems less about transcendental virtuosity. I’m noticing more humane and tender moments. But I could be wrong of course.Looking forward to your review!
Henk
Albert Ferber is my favorite Faure pianist, so I was disappointed with his complete Debussy set. This may not have been entirely the pianists’ fault as the sound engineering was not very good on this set.
For the Etudes I’m a DiBonaventura fan and eagerly await the release of Steven Osborne’s recording on Hyperion.
On 3/26/2023 4:20 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 2:27:01 PM UTC-4, HT wrote:
Op zondag 26 maart 2023 om 18:43:20 UTC+2 schreef Mandryka:
Got it! Will comment later on the differences between Bav I and BavLooking forward to your review!
II. All I can say now is that the earlier seems less about
transcendental virtuosity. I’m noticing more humane and tender
moments. But I could be wrong of course.
Henk
Albert Ferber is my favorite Faure pianist, so I was disappointed with
his complete Debussy set. This may not have been entirely the
pianists’ fault as the sound engineering was not very good on this set.
For the Etudes I’m a DiBonaventura fan and eagerly await the release
of Steven Osborne’s recording on Hyperion.
Never on CD, right?
Albert Ferber is my favorite Faure pianist,
Op zaterdag 25 maart 2023 om 12:38:40 UTC+1 schreef Mandryka:
Cheers Henk. Is it Vol 1, this one?
https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8657855--debussy-integrale-loeuvreYes, it is:
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Nina-Tichman/dp/B000025SFV/ref=sr_1_10?crid=I4VNCXQ58EXO&keywords=tichman&qid=1679746638&s=music&sprefix=tichman%2Cpopular%2C74&sr=1-10
Henk
On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 12:19:28 PM UTC, HT wrote:
Op zaterdag 25 maart 2023 om 12:38:40 UTC+1 schreef Mandryka:
Cheers Henk. Is it Vol 1, this one?
https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8657855--debussy-integrale-loeuvreYes, it is:
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Nina-Tichman/dp/B000025SFV/ref=sr_1_10?crid=I4VNCXQ58EXO&keywords=tichman&qid=1679746638&s=music&sprefix=tichman%2Cpopular%2C74&sr=1-10
HenkI think it’s exceptional - thanks for your help locating it.
The two Bavouzet Etudes recording.
I heard Bavouzet give a concert on Monday, including some Debussy - his transcription of Jeux.
He is a real entertainer, he communicates a sense of thoroughly enjoying what he’s doing, enjoying showing off his technique too. His music making is totally charming and fun.
I think this spirit is caught better in the second recording, which I like more and more each time I hear it. I’m not quite sure what to make of the first.
Op donderdag 20 april 2023 om 19:24:11 UTC+2 schreef Mandryka:
The two Bavouzet Etudes recording.
I heard Bavouzet give a concert on Monday, including some Debussy - his transcription of Jeux.
He is a real entertainer, he communicates a sense of thoroughly enjoying what he’s doing, enjoying showing off his technique too. His music making is totally charming and fun.
I think this spirit is caught better in the second recording, which I like more and more each time I hear it. I’m not quite sure what to make of the first.I have a slight preference for the first version. There was still much terra incognita. Although I like performances that 'read' like a dissertation (you can 'hear' the footnotes), I also like it when a performer can be surprised by what he is doing.
Henk
Nic Hodges, peviously of this newsgroup, used to play the Etudes quite a lot in concert but never recorded them, alas.
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/classical/reviews/nicolas-hodges-wigmore-hall-classical-review-pianist-dazzles-with-debussy-9733709.html
Op vrijdag 21 april 2023 om 11:44:16 UTC+2 schreef Andy Evans:Ferneyhough, or even more nonmusical, for more than 40 hours a week have have a psychological effect?
Nic Hodges, peviously of this newsgroup, used to play the Etudes quite a lot in concert but never recorded them, alas.
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/classical/reviews/nicolas-hodges-wigmore-hall-classical-review-pianist-dazzles-with-debussy-9733709.htmlThanks for the link. It made me listen to some of NH's video's on YT - and that made me wonder. If, as some believe, music (for example by Mozart) can be a healing factor, what are the effects of nonmusical music on people? Does playing composers like
Henk
Op vrijdag 21 april 2023 om 11:44:16 UTC+2 schreef Andy Evans:
Nic Hodges, peviously of this newsgroup, used to play the
Etudes quite a lot in concert but never recorded them, alas.
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/classical/reviews/nicolas-hodges-wigmore-hall-classical-review-pianist-dazzles-with-debussy-9733709.html
Thanks for the link. It made me listen to some of NH's video's
on YT - and that made me wonder. If, as some believe, music
(for example by Mozart) can be a healing factor, what are the
effects of nonmusical music on people? Does playing composers
like Ferneyhough, or even more nonmusical, for more than 40
hours a week have have a psychological effect?
Would you please clarify for the audience the meaning of
the phrase "non-musical music"? I ask the question ......
Henk
On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 9:42:36 AM UTC+1, HT wrote:
It's an essay about music (often) written in the language of music and performed with traditional means.
Like Pour les Sonorités opposées -- an essay (etude) in music about decomposing and recomposing all the elements of modern piano -- touch, tempo, dynamics, rhythm, texture, timbre.
Op zaterdag 22 april 2023 om 14:28:45 UTC+2 schreef Mandryka:
On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 9:42:36 AM UTC+1, HT wrote:<g> Does Pour les Sonorités make a point, or is it the point? The same question could, of course, be asked about Barrett's Track. Not seeing the point suggests (at least in my mind) that Barrett is trying to make one.
It's an essay about music (often) written in the language of music and performed with traditional means.
Like Pour les Sonorités opposées -- an essay (etude) in music about decomposing and recomposing all the elements of modern piano -- touch, tempo, dynamics, rhythm, texture, timbre.
Henk
If you've still got it have a look at the essay on the Debussy etudes in Tichman's CD -- a good little essay I think.
The two Bavouzet Etudes recording.
I heard Bavouzet give a concert on Monday, including some Debussy - his transcription of Jeux.
He is a real entertainer, he communicates a sense of thoroughly enjoying what he’s doing, enjoying showing off his technique too. His music making is totally charming and fun.
I think this spirit is caught better in the second recording, which I like more and more each time I hear it. I’m not quite sure what to make of the first.
On Thu, 20 Apr 2023, Mandryka wrote:
The two Bavouzet Etudes recording.
I heard Bavouzet give a concert on Monday, including some Debussy - his transcription of Jeux.
He is a real entertainer, he communicates a sense of thoroughly enjoying what he’s doing, enjoying showing off his technique too. His music making is totally charming and fun.
I think this spirit is caught better in the second recording, which I like more and more each time I hear it. I’m not quite sure what to make of the first.What are his first and second versions? I've only heard what he did as
part of his complete Debussy on Chandos.
--
Al Eisner
| Sysop: | Keyop |
|---|---|
| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 497 |
| Nodes: | 16 (2 / 14) |
| Uptime: | 05:04:29 |
| Calls: | 9,779 |
| Calls today: | 20 |
| Files: | 13,748 |
| D/L today: |
1 files (1K bytes) |
| Messages: | 6,186,716 |