• A One Hour Symphony

    From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 21 00:28:08 2023
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/2nym3e34uxodczy/One%20Hour%20Symphony.m4a?dl=0

    Possibly the first choral-less symphony
    written in the history of music to exceed
    an hour. Hint: this is not 60 repetitions of
    the Minute Waltz, so don't skip any sections.

    Rough timings: 1st movement 21 minutes,
    2nd movement 16 minutes, 3rd movement
    11 minutes, 4th movement 13 minutes.

    Enjoy!

    dk

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  • From Juan I. Cahis@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Tue Mar 21 08:35:15 2023
    Dan Koren <dan.koren@gmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/2nym3e34uxodczy/One%20Hour%20Symphony.m4a?dl=0

    Possibly the first choral-less symphony
    written in the history of music to exceed
    an hour. Hint: this is not 60 repetitions of
    the Minute Waltz, so don't skip any sections.

    Rough timings: 1st movement 21 minutes,
    2nd movement 16 minutes, 3rd movement
    11 minutes, 4th movement 13 minutes.

    Enjoy!

    dk


    Very enjoyable. Shazam say that it is “Symphony No. 5, Op. 52”, but it doesn’t mention the Composer name. Who is he?

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Juan I. Cahis on Tue Mar 21 06:56:03 2023
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:35:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
    Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/2nym3e34uxodczy/One%20Hour%20Symphony.m4a?dl=0

    Possibly the first choral-less symphony
    written in the history of music to exceed
    an hour. Hint: this is not 60 repetitions of
    the Minute Waltz, so don't skip any sections.

    Rough timings: 1st movement 21 minutes,
    2nd movement 16 minutes, 3rd movement
    11 minutes, 4th movement 13 minutes.

    Very enjoyable. Shazam say that it is “Symphony
    No. 5, Op. 52”, but it doesn’t mention the Composer
    name. Who is he?

    No cheating please!

    Did Shazam tell you the composer's gender?

    dk

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  • From Juan I. Cahis@21:1/5 to Juan I. Cahis on Tue Mar 21 10:57:47 2023
    Juan I. Cahis <jicahis.SINBASURA@gmail.com> wrote:
    Dan Koren <dan.koren@gmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/2nym3e34uxodczy/One%20Hour%20Symphony.m4a?dl=0

    Possibly the first choral-less symphony
    written in the history of music to exceed
    an hour. Hint: this is not 60 repetitions of
    the Minute Waltz, so don't skip any sections.

    Rough timings: 1st movement 21 minutes,
    2nd movement 16 minutes, 3rd movement
    11 minutes, 4th movement 13 minutes.

    Enjoy!

    dk


    Very enjoyable. Shazam say that it is “Symphony No. 5, Op. 52”, but it doesn’t mention the Composer name. Who is he?


    I found it: Franz Lachner

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  • From Juan I. Cahis@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Tue Mar 21 11:15:07 2023
    Dan Koren <dan.koren@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:35:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
    Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/2nym3e34uxodczy/One%20Hour%20Symphony.m4a?dl=0 >>>
    Possibly the first choral-less symphony
    written in the history of music to exceed
    an hour. Hint: this is not 60 repetitions of
    the Minute Waltz, so don't skip any sections.

    Rough timings: 1st movement 21 minutes,
    2nd movement 16 minutes, 3rd movement
    11 minutes, 4th movement 13 minutes.

    Very enjoyable. Shazam say that it is “Symphony
    No. 5, Op. 52”, but it doesn’t mention the Composer
    name. Who is he?

    No cheating please!

    Did Shazam tell you the composer's gender?

    dk


    Have you heard of a female Composer from the very early romantic period,
    with at least 52 published works, and at least 5 Symphonies composed? I don’t. Even the great Fanny Mendelssohn could do it.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Juan I. Cahis on Tue Mar 21 19:02:15 2023
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 7:15:20 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
    Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:35:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
    Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/2nym3e34uxodczy/One%20Hour%20Symphony.m4a?dl=0 >>>
    Possibly the first choral-less symphony
    written in the history of music to exceed
    an hour. Hint: this is not 60 repetitions of
    the Minute Waltz, so don't skip any sections.

    Rough timings: 1st movement 21 minutes,
    2nd movement 16 minutes, 3rd movement
    11 minutes, 4th movement 13 minutes.

    Very enjoyable. Shazam say that it is “Symphony
    No. 5, Op. 52”, but it doesn’t mention the Composer
    name. Who is he?

    No cheating please!

    Did Shazam tell you the composer's gender?

    Have you heard of a female Composer from the
    very early romantic period, with at least 52 published
    works, and at least 5 Symphonies composed? I
    don’t. Even the great Fanny Mendelssohn could
    do it.

    Sexist and misogynistic as usual.

    dk

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  • From Juan I. Cahis@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Wed Mar 22 08:29:21 2023
    Dan Koren <dan.koren@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 7:15:20 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
    Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:35:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
    Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/2nym3e34uxodczy/One%20Hour%20Symphony.m4a?dl=0 >>>>>
    Possibly the first choral-less symphony
    written in the history of music to exceed
    an hour. Hint: this is not 60 repetitions of
    the Minute Waltz, so don't skip any sections.

    Rough timings: 1st movement 21 minutes,
    2nd movement 16 minutes, 3rd movement
    11 minutes, 4th movement 13 minutes.

    Very enjoyable. Shazam say that it is “Symphony
    No. 5, Op. 52”, but it doesn’t mention the Composer
    name. Who is he?

    No cheating please!

    Did Shazam tell you the composer's gender?

    Have you heard of a female Composer from the
    very early romantic period, with at least 52 published
    works, and at least 5 Symphonies composed? I
    don’t. Even the great Fanny Mendelssohn could
    do it.

    Sexist and misogynistic as usual.

    dk


    You misunderstood me, when I mention the great Fanny Mendelssohn, I meant
    that this great Composer was not allowed to compose 5 Symphonies and to
    publish 52 works because she was a women. And this is the opposite you understood.

    Don’t forget that not all people in the world speak English as his/her
    mother language.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Juan I. Cahis on Wed Mar 22 08:00:48 2023
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 4:29:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
    Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 7:15:20 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
    Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:35:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote: >>>> Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/2nym3e34uxodczy/One%20Hour%20Symphony.m4a?dl=0

    Possibly the first choral-less symphony
    written in the history of music to exceed
    an hour. Hint: this is not 60 repetitions of
    the Minute Waltz, so don't skip any sections.

    Rough timings: 1st movement 21 minutes,
    2nd movement 16 minutes, 3rd movement
    11 minutes, 4th movement 13 minutes.

    Very enjoyable. Shazam say that it is “Symphony
    No. 5, Op. 52”, but it doesn’t mention the Composer
    name. Who is he?

    No cheating please!

    Did Shazam tell you the composer's gender?

    Have you heard of a female Composer from the
    very early romantic period, with at least 52 published
    works, and at least 5 Symphonies composed? I
    don’t. Even the great Fanny Mendelssohn could
    do it.

    Sexist and misogynistic as usual.

    You misunderstood me, when I mention the great Fanny
    Mendelssohn, I meant that this great Composer was not
    allowed to compose 5 Symphonies and to publish 52
    works because she was a women.

    In what way was Fanny Mendelssohn "not allowed" to
    publish all her works?

    And this is the opposite you understood.

    I did not understand anything in particular. I never do. All I
    can do is read what other people write. There is no way to
    read other people's minds to figure out if they really mean
    what they appear to be saying.

    Don’t forget that not all people in the world speak English
    as his/her mother language.

    How could I possibly forget that? I am not a native English
    speaker myself! I only masquerade as one. ;-)

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Marc S on Wed Mar 22 10:13:06 2023
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 9:45:34 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 16:00:51 UTC+1:
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 4:29:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
    Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 7:15:20 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
    Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:35:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:


    Have you heard of a female Composer from the
    very early romantic period, with at least 52 published
    works, and at least 5 Symphonies composed? I
    don’t. Even the great Fanny Mendelssohn could
    do it.

    Sexist and misogynistic as usual.

    You misunderstood me, when I mention the great Fanny
    Mendelssohn, I meant that this great Composer was not
    allowed to compose 5 Symphonies and to publish 52
    works because she was a women.

    In what way was Fanny Mendelssohn
    "not allowed" to publish all her works?

    After his explanation it is reasonable
    why he assumed it was a he;

    "Assuming" someone's gender using
    indirect and inferred information is an
    obvious misogynism symptom. Like
    assuming Jeanne d'Arc was a man
    by looking at her armor.

    dk

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Wed Mar 22 09:45:31 2023
    Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 16:00:51 UTC+1:
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 4:29:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
    Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 7:15:20 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
    Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:35:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote: >>>> Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/2nym3e34uxodczy/One%20Hour%20Symphony.m4a?dl=0

    Possibly the first choral-less symphony
    written in the history of music to exceed
    an hour. Hint: this is not 60 repetitions of
    the Minute Waltz, so don't skip any sections.

    Rough timings: 1st movement 21 minutes,
    2nd movement 16 minutes, 3rd movement
    11 minutes, 4th movement 13 minutes.

    Very enjoyable. Shazam say that it is “Symphony
    No. 5, Op. 52”, but it doesn’t mention the Composer
    name. Who is he?

    No cheating please!

    Did Shazam tell you the composer's gender?

    Have you heard of a female Composer from the
    very early romantic period, with at least 52 published
    works, and at least 5 Symphonies composed? I
    don’t. Even the great Fanny Mendelssohn could
    do it.

    Sexist and misogynistic as usual.

    You misunderstood me, when I mention the great Fanny
    Mendelssohn, I meant that this great Composer was not
    allowed to compose 5 Symphonies and to publish 52
    works because she was a women.
    In what way was Fanny Mendelssohn "not allowed" to
    publish all her works?

    After his explanation it is reasonable why he assumed it was a he; got nothing to do with being misogynistic - you could acknowledge this; instead you are being unneccesarily nit-picky, or rather ahem a dick.

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Wed Mar 22 10:33:28 2023
    Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 18:13:09 UTC+1:
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 9:45:34 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 16:00:51 UTC+1:
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 4:29:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
    Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 7:15:20 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
    Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:35:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:


    Have you heard of a female Composer from the
    very early romantic period, with at least 52 published
    works, and at least 5 Symphonies composed? I
    don’t. Even the great Fanny Mendelssohn could
    do it.

    Sexist and misogynistic as usual.

    You misunderstood me, when I mention the great Fanny
    Mendelssohn, I meant that this great Composer was not
    allowed to compose 5 Symphonies and to publish 52
    works because she was a women.

    In what way was Fanny Mendelss
    No,ohn
    "not allowed" to publish all her works?

    After his explanation it is reasonable
    why he assumed it was a he;
    "Assuming" someone's gender using
    indirect and inferred information is an
    obvious misogynism symptom. Like
    assuming Jeanne d'Arc was a man
    by looking at her armor.

    dk

    No. It is just a method of narrowing down who the composer might be... Juan hears the music, thinks about who the composer might be, hears early romantic music (which btw is mostly composed by men), and then sees op 52. and assumes it was a he... very
    simple.

    You want to know what is misogynistic? Gender quotas. It is misogynist, because women aren't evaluated by their abilities, but by their gender... It is not only misogynstic, but also misandrist, as men who might be suited better would for the job not be
    allowed to, because they have the wrong gender... (just like Jews had the wrong ethnicity and/or religion you know?)

    This is an example of how 3rd wave feminism has become misogynist and misandrist...

    Dirty Harry on feminism and women's quotas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViZEDSfX9EI

    If I saw a picture of a knight whose face was covered I'd assume he was a man and so would 99% of the women, not because of being misogynistic, but because of experience...

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Marc S on Wed Mar 22 10:34:56 2023
    Marc S schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 18:33:31 UTC+1:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 18:13:09 UTC+1:
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 9:45:34 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 16:00:51 UTC+1:
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 4:29:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
    Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 7:15:20 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:
    Dan Koren <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:35:30 AM UTC-7, Juan I. Cahis wrote:


    Have you heard of a female Composer from the
    very early romantic period, with at least 52 published
    works, and at least 5 Symphonies composed? I
    don’t. Even the great Fanny Mendelssohn could
    do it.

    Sexist and misogynistic as usual.

    You misunderstood me, when I mention the great Fanny
    Mendelssohn, I meant that this great Composer was not
    allowed to compose 5 Symphonies and to publish 52
    works because she was a women.

    In what way was Fanny Mendelss
    No,ohn
    "not allowed" to publish all her works?

    After his explanation it is reasonable
    why he assumed it was a he;
    "Assuming" someone's gender using
    indirect and inferred information is an
    obvious misogynism symptom. Like
    assuming Jeanne d'Arc was a man
    by looking at her armor.

    dk
    No. It is just a method of narrowing down who the composer might be... Juan hears the music, thinks about who the composer might be, hears early romantic music (which btw is mostly composed by men), and then sees op 52. and assumes it was a he... very
    simple.

    You want to know what is misogynistic? Gender quotas. It is misogynist, because women aren't evaluated by their abilities, but by their gender... It is not only misogynstic, but also misandrist, as men who might be suited better would for the job not
    be allowed to, because they have the wrong gender... (just like Jews had the wrong ethnicity and/or religion you know?)

    This is an example of how 3rd wave feminism has become misogynist and misandrist...

    Dirty Harry on feminism and women's quotas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViZEDSfX9EI

    If I saw a picture of a knight whose face was covered I'd assume he was a man and so would 99% of the women, not because of being misogynistic, but because of experience...

    *misogynist in all cases

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Marc S on Wed Mar 22 10:38:38 2023
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 10:33:31 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:

    You want to know what is misogynistic? Gender quotas.
    It is misogynist, because women aren't evaluated by their
    abilities, but by their gender... It is not only misogynstic,
    but also misandrist, as men who might be suited better
    would for the job not be allowed to, because they have
    the wrong gender...

    Not limited to quotas. Lower pay, different oftentimes
    worse working conditions, derogatory or dismissive
    treatment, fewer promotion opportunities, barred
    from certain roles or professions, etc., etc....

    dk

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Wed Mar 22 10:57:10 2023
    Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 18:38:41 UTC+1:
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 10:33:31 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:

    You want to know what is misogynistic? Gender quotas.
    It is misogynist, because women aren't evaluated by their
    abilities, but by their gender... It is not only misogynstic,
    but also misandrist, as men who might be suited better
    would for the job not be allowed to, because they have
    the wrong gender...
    Not limited to quotas. Lower pay, different oftentimes
    worse working conditions, derogatory or dismissive
    treatment, fewer promotion opportunities, barred
    from certain roles or professions, etc., etc....

    dk

    The difference between the examples you mentioned and gender quotas is, that gender quotas were designed to fix the problems you name; it is supposed to guarantee a better treatment of women, but it only backfires... Gender quotas were specifically
    designed against men and for women - which is a crime as much as the things you mention, but an "officialy" legitimated crime as opposed to the things you name...

    While what you say often is true ofc... it also often gets exaggerated by feminists tbh... #metoo is a joke, the campaign against Weinstein was as much a farce as against Trump... yes our opinions will differ on this hehe.

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Marc S on Wed Mar 22 11:10:15 2023
    Marc S schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 18:57:13 UTC+1:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 18:38:41 UTC+1:
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 10:33:31 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:

    You want to know what is misogynistic? Gender quotas.
    It is misogynist, because women aren't evaluated by their
    abilities, but by their gender... It is not only misogynstic,
    but also misandrist, as men who might be suited better
    would for the job not be allowed to, because they have
    the wrong gender...
    Not limited to quotas. Lower pay, different oftentimes
    worse working conditions, derogatory or dismissive
    treatment, fewer promotion opportunities, barred
    from certain roles or professions, etc., etc....

    dk
    The difference between the examples you mentioned and gender quotas is, that gender quotas were designed to fix the problems you name; it is supposed to guarantee a better treatment of women, but it only backfires... Gender quotas were specifically
    designed against men and for women - which is a crime as much as the things you mention, but an "officialy" legitimated crime as opposed to the things you name...

    While what you say often is true ofc... it also often gets exaggerated by feminists tbh... #metoo is a joke, the campaign against Weinstein was as much a farce as against Trump... yes our opinions will differ on this hehe.

    It depends on the place in the world... in the west (and also South Korea for example) the women seem to get treated quite well... female presidents, etc etc...

    Pakistan, "Palestine", Saudi Arabia, Iran are another matter.

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Marc S on Wed Mar 22 11:31:44 2023
    Marc S schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 19:10:17 UTC+1:
    Marc S schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 18:57:13 UTC+1:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. März 2023 um 18:38:41 UTC+1:
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 10:33:31 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:

    You want to know what is misogynistic? Gender quotas.
    It is misogynist, because women aren't evaluated by their
    abilities, but by their gender... It is not only misogynstic,
    but also misandrist, as men who might be suited better
    would for the job not be allowed to, because they have
    the wrong gender...
    Not limited to quotas. Lower pay, different oftentimes
    worse working conditions, derogatory or dismissive
    treatment, fewer promotion opportunities, barred
    from certain roles or professions, etc., etc....

    dk
    The difference between the examples you mentioned and gender quotas is, that gender quotas were designed to fix the problems you name; it is supposed to guarantee a better treatment of women, but it only backfires... Gender quotas were specifically
    designed against men and for women - which is a crime as much as the things you mention, but an "officialy" legitimated crime as opposed to the things you name...

    While what you say often is true ofc... it also often gets exaggerated by feminists tbh... #metoo is a joke, the campaign against Weinstein was as much a farce as against Trump... yes our opinions will differ on this hehe.
    It depends on the place in the world... in the west (and also South Korea for example) the women seem to get treated quite well... female presidents, etc etc...

    Pakistan, "Palestine", Saudi Arabia, Iran are another matter.

    *I do believe that Weinstein is responsible for foul play etc. or coercing women to sleep with him and he is probably not a nice guy; but it clearly seemed to me that things got blown way out of proportion.

    If I remember correctly some of the "rape"-victims were seen with him on many other occasions after the rape supposedly occured...and I just think... you know, if you get raped, then you don't hang around with the guy who raped you anymore; very simple...
    and not accuse him of raping you years after it supposedly happened.

    If he promises someone career opportunities for sleeping with him; it would ofc be wrong, but in the end it's not a rape anymore then. There were probably many women who said no to Weinstein btw.

    I don't know, anyway I think it got blown way out of proportion and suddenly everyone was raped by someone...

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