• Box set: Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga

    From Pluted Pup@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 15 22:10:32 2023
    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018).

    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they HIP and
    strip chamber music of all romance and sentiment or are
    they different from the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Pluted Pup on Wed Mar 15 22:21:54 2023
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 10:10:45 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018).

    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they
    HIP and strip chamber music of all romance
    and sentiment or are they different from the
    others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

    Thanks for the tip. I've already ordered it!

    The Prazak are/were one of the top Central
    European Stringers - easily on par with any
    of the better known names. Absolutely not
    HIP. How different they are from others
    only your pluted ears can tell (mine are
    not pluted). Check this for samples:

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCM_kpnXXb8bMh_brcOle5bQ

    At 3 bucks per plate, this is an incredible
    bargain.

    dk

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  • From Al Eisner@21:1/5 to Pluted Pup on Thu Mar 16 13:23:00 2023
    On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Pluted Pup wrote:


    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018).

    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they HIP and
    strip chamber music of all romance and sentiment or are
    they different from the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

    Quite the opposite. Very accomplished Eastern EUropean group. I find
    them sometimes overly sentimental for my taste, e.g., in some Dvorak.
    Their style works superbly for Janacek. I'm sure you can find
    examples to lisren to.
    --
    Al Eisner

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Al Eisner on Thu Mar 16 14:23:57 2023
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:23:08 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Pluted Pup wrote:


    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018).

    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they HIP and
    strip chamber music of all romance and sentiment or are
    they different from the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

    Quite the opposite. Very accomplished
    Eastern European group.

    CENTRAL.

    dk

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  • From Pluted Pup@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Thu Mar 16 15:41:45 2023
    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 14:23:57 -0700, Dan Koren wrote:

    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:23:08???PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Pluted Pup wrote:


    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018).

    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they HIP and
    strip chamber music of all romance and sentiment or are
    they different from the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

    Quite the opposite. Very accomplished
    Eastern European group.

    CENTRAL.

    Eastern, Germany is central.

    Note that it appears to come as CDs, but don't see
    anything about the SACDs that individual releases
    had.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Pluted Pup on Thu Mar 16 16:29:02 2023
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 3:41:58 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 14:23:57 -0700, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:23:08???PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Pluted Pup wrote:


    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018).

    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they HIP and
    strip chamber music of all romance and sentiment or are
    they different from the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

    Quite the opposite. Very accomplished
    Eastern European group.

    CENTRAL.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Republic

    "The Czech Republic,[c][12] also known as
    Czechia,[d][13] is a landlocked country in
    " Central Europe.

    If one looks at the map of Europe, Prague
    is right in the middle. Except of course for
    blind deaf dumb rabid anti-semitic idiots
    like you.

    dk

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  • From Bob Harper@21:1/5 to Pluted Pup on Thu Mar 16 16:19:34 2023
    On 3/16/23 3:41 PM, Pluted Pup wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 14:23:57 -0700, Dan Koren wrote:

    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:23:08???PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Pluted Pup wrote:


    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018).

    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they HIP and
    strip chamber music of all romance and sentiment or are
    they different from the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

    Quite the opposite. Very accomplished
    Eastern European group.

    CENTRAL.

    Eastern, Germany is central.

    Note that it appears to come as CDs, but don't see
    anything about the SACDs that individual releases
    had.


    Don't know the details, but some of the 'SACD's were converted Redbook
    CDs. No sonic problems I ever heard.

    Bob Harper

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  • From Al Eisner@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Thu Mar 16 22:19:37 2023
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:23:08 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Pluted Pup wrote:


    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018).

    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they HIP and
    strip chamber music of all romance and sentiment or are
    they different from the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

    Quite the opposite. Very accomplished
    Eastern European group.

    CENTRAL.

    dk

    Most of us here remember the Cold War usage of the terms; the Soviet
    republics were not called "Eastern Euope".

    Anyway, WTF does it matter?
    --
    Al Eisner

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Al Eisner on Thu Mar 16 22:29:21 2023
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:19:46 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:23:08 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Pluted Pup wrote:


    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018).

    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they HIP and
    strip chamber music of all romance and sentiment or
    are they different from the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

    Quite the opposite. Very accomplished
    Eastern European group.

    CENTRAL.

    Most of us here remember the Cold War usage of the
    terms; the Soviet republics were not called "Eastern
    Euope".

    Anyway, WTF does it matter?

    Yes, it does. Any Prague dweller or Czech citizen
    would feel deeply insulted if they were called
    "Eastern Europeans". As I pointed out, this is
    also inconsistent with geographical reality.

    There can be no doubt Pluted's intent was to
    deliberately insult an entire nation, its people
    and its culture. This was no accidental error.

    dk

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Fri Mar 17 00:10:53 2023
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:29:24 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:


    There can be no doubt Pluted's intent was to
    deliberately insult an entire nation, its people
    and its culture. This was no accidental error.

    dk

    And on it goes....

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Herman on Fri Mar 17 00:22:40 2023
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 12:10:56 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:29:24 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:

    There can be no doubt Pluted's intent was to
    deliberately insult an entire nation, its people
    and its culture. This was no accidental error.

    And on it goes....

    YOU ALWAYS question posters' intent and
    motives, and YOU ALWAYS accuse other
    posters of acting with malicious intent.

    And you have the chutzpah to complain
    about others doing the same ?!?

    EXCREMENT !!!

    dk

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Fri Mar 17 01:06:50 2023
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 00:29:06 UTC+1:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 3:41:58 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 14:23:57 -0700, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:23:08???PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Pluted Pup wrote:


    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018).

    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they HIP and
    strip chamber music of all romance and sentiment or are
    they different from the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

    Quite the opposite. Very accomplished
    Eastern European group.

    CENTRAL.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Republic

    "The Czech Republic,[c][12] also known as
    Czechia,[d][13] is a landlocked country in
    " Central Europe.

    If one looks at the map of Europe, Prague
    is right in the middle. Except of course for
    blind deaf dumb rabid anti-semitic idiots
    like you.

    dk

    You are right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Europe#/media/File:Grossgliederung_Europas-en.svg

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Fri Mar 17 01:11:12 2023
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 06:29:24 UTC+1:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:19:46 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:23:08 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Pluted Pup wrote:


    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018).

    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they HIP and
    strip chamber music of all romance and sentiment or
    are they different from the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

    Quite the opposite. Very accomplished
    Eastern European group.

    CENTRAL.

    Most of us here remember the Cold War usage of the
    terms; the Soviet republics were not called "Eastern
    Euope".

    Anyway, WTF does it matter?
    Yes, it does. Any Prague dweller or Czech citizen
    would feel deeply insulted if they were called
    "Eastern Europeans". As I pointed out, this is
    also inconsistent with geographical reality.

    There can be no doubt Pluted's intent was to
    deliberately insult an entire nation, its people
    and its culture. This was no accidental error.

    dk

    I do not believe it was Pluted's intent was to insult people in this case; he just did have a wrong notion of things - why? I don't know.

    Note: Even Al Eisner thought of them as Eastern European.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Marc S on Fri Mar 17 01:27:36 2023
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:11:15 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 06:29:24 UTC+1:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:19:46 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:23:08 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Pluted Pup wrote:


    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018).

    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they HIP and
    strip chamber music of all romance and sentiment or
    are they different from the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

    Quite the opposite. Very accomplished
    Eastern European group.

    CENTRAL.

    Most of us here remember the Cold War usage of the
    terms; the Soviet republics were not called "Eastern
    Euope".

    Anyway, WTF does it matter?
    Yes, it does. Any Prague dweller or Czech citizen
    would feel deeply insulted if they were called
    "Eastern Europeans". As I pointed out, this is
    also inconsistent with geographical reality.

    There can be no doubt Pluted's intent was to
    deliberately insult an entire nation, its people
    and its culture. This was no accidental error.

    I do not believe it was Pluted's intent was to
    insult people in this case; he just did have a
    wrong notion of things - why? I don't know.

    Note: Even Al Eisner thought of them as
    Eastern European.

    THEY DON'T THINK OF THEMSELVES AS
    EASTERN EUROPEANS !!!

    dk

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Fri Mar 17 02:26:10 2023
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 09:27:39 UTC+1:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:11:15 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 06:29:24 UTC+1:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:19:46 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:23:08 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Pluted Pup wrote:


    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018).

    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they HIP and
    strip chamber music of all romance and sentiment or
    are they different from the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

    Quite the opposite. Very accomplished
    Eastern European group.

    CENTRAL.

    Most of us here remember the Cold War usage of the
    terms; the Soviet republics were not called "Eastern
    Euope".

    Anyway, WTF does it matter?
    Yes, it does. Any Prague dweller or Czech citizen
    would feel deeply insulted if they were called
    "Eastern Europeans". As I pointed out, this is
    also inconsistent with geographical reality.

    There can be no doubt Pluted's intent was to
    deliberately insult an entire nation, its people
    and its culture. This was no accidental error.

    I do not believe it was Pluted's intent was to
    insult people in this case; he just did have a
    wrong notion of things - why? I don't know.

    Note: Even Al Eisner thought of them as
    Eastern European.
    THEY DON'T THINK OF THEMSELVES AS
    EASTERN EUROPEANS !!!

    dk

    You are talking besides the point. I never argued they were eastern europeans, and if someone (like Al Eisner) thinks of them as eastern europeans that does not necessarily imply that they want to insult them.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Marc S on Fri Mar 17 02:45:27 2023
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 2:26:13 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 09:27:39 UTC+1:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:11:15 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 06:29:24 UTC+1:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:19:46 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:23:08 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Pluted Pup wrote:


    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018).

    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they HIP and
    strip chamber music of all romance and sentiment or
    are they different from the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

    Quite the opposite. Very accomplished
    Eastern European group.

    CENTRAL.

    Most of us here remember the Cold War usage of the
    terms; the Soviet republics were not called "Eastern
    Euope".

    Anyway, WTF does it matter?
    Yes, it does. Any Prague dweller or Czech citizen
    would feel deeply insulted if they were called
    "Eastern Europeans". As I pointed out, this is
    also inconsistent with geographical reality.

    There can be no doubt Pluted's intent was to
    deliberately insult an entire nation, its people
    and its culture. This was no accidental error.

    I do not believe it was Pluted's intent was to
    insult people in this case; he just did have a
    wrong notion of things - why? I don't know.

    Note: Even Al Eisner thought of them as
    Eastern European.

    THEY DON'T THINK OF THEMSELVES AS
    EASTERN EUROPEANS !!!

    You are talking besides the point.

    I MAKE THE POINT! ;-)

    I never argued they were eastern europeans,

    HOW DARE YOU NOT ARGUE WITH ME? ;-)

    dk

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Fri Mar 17 03:14:47 2023
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 10:45:30 UTC+1:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 2:26:13 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 09:27:39 UTC+1:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:11:15 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 06:29:24 UTC+1:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:19:46 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:23:08 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Pluted Pup wrote:


    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018).

    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they HIP and
    strip chamber music of all romance and sentiment or
    are they different from the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

    Quite the opposite. Very accomplished
    Eastern European group.

    CENTRAL.

    Most of us here remember the Cold War usage of the
    terms; the Soviet republics were not called "Eastern
    Euope".

    Anyway, WTF does it matter?
    Yes, it does. Any Prague dweller or Czech citizen
    would feel deeply insulted if they were called
    "Eastern Europeans". As I pointed out, this is
    also inconsistent with geographical reality.

    There can be no doubt Pluted's intent was to
    deliberately insult an entire nation, its people
    and its culture. This was no accidental error.

    I do not believe it was Pluted's intent was to
    insult people in this case; he just did have a
    wrong notion of things - why? I don't know.

    Note: Even Al Eisner thought of them as
    Eastern European.

    THEY DON'T THINK OF THEMSELVES AS
    EASTERN EUROPEANS !!!


    Okay, I think you were being funny here.

    You are talking besides the point.
    I MAKE THE POINT! ;-)
    I never argued they were eastern europeans,
    HOW DARE YOU NOT ARGUE WITH ME? ;-)

    dk

    I am sorry, but the one I love to argue most with is myself.

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Fri Mar 17 03:47:09 2023
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 11:40:02 UTC+1:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 3:14:50 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 10:45:30 UTC+1:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 2:26:13 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 09:27:39 UTC+1:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:11:15 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 06:29:24 UTC+1:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:19:46 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:23:08 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Pluted Pup wrote:


    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018).

    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they HIP and
    strip chamber music of all romance and sentiment or
    are they different from the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

    Quite the opposite. Very accomplished
    Eastern European group.

    CENTRAL.

    Most of us here remember the Cold War usage of the
    terms; the Soviet republics were not called "Eastern
    Euope".

    Anyway, WTF does it matter?
    Yes, it does. Any Prague dweller or Czech citizen
    would feel deeply insulted if they were called
    "Eastern Europeans". As I pointed out, this is
    also inconsistent with geographical reality.

    There can be no doubt Pluted's intent was to
    deliberately insult an entire nation, its people
    and its culture. This was no accidental error.

    I do not believe it was Pluted's intent was to
    insult people in this case; he just did have a
    wrong notion of things - why? I don't know.

    Note: Even Al Eisner thought of them as
    Eastern European.

    THEY DON'T THINK OF THEMSELVES AS
    EASTERN EUROPEANS !!!


    You are talking besides the point.

    I MAKE THE POINT! ;-)

    I never argued they were eastern europeans,

    HOW DARE YOU NOT ARGUE WITH ME? ;-)

    I am sorry, but the one I love to argue most with is myself.
    That must be very boring.

    dk

    Not really. It's kind of funny and much less frustrating. Unfortunately, most other people cannot follow my thoughts.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Marc S on Fri Mar 17 03:39:59 2023
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 3:14:50 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 10:45:30 UTC+1:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 2:26:13 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 09:27:39 UTC+1:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:11:15 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 06:29:24 UTC+1:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:19:46 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:23:08 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Pluted Pup wrote:


    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018).

    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they HIP and
    strip chamber music of all romance and sentiment or
    are they different from the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

    Quite the opposite. Very accomplished
    Eastern European group.

    CENTRAL.

    Most of us here remember the Cold War usage of the
    terms; the Soviet republics were not called "Eastern
    Euope".

    Anyway, WTF does it matter?
    Yes, it does. Any Prague dweller or Czech citizen
    would feel deeply insulted if they were called
    "Eastern Europeans". As I pointed out, this is
    also inconsistent with geographical reality.

    There can be no doubt Pluted's intent was to
    deliberately insult an entire nation, its people
    and its culture. This was no accidental error.

    I do not believe it was Pluted's intent was to
    insult people in this case; he just did have a
    wrong notion of things - why? I don't know.

    Note: Even Al Eisner thought of them as
    Eastern European.

    THEY DON'T THINK OF THEMSELVES AS
    EASTERN EUROPEANS !!!


    You are talking besides the point.

    I MAKE THE POINT! ;-)

    I never argued they were eastern europeans,

    HOW DARE YOU NOT ARGUE WITH ME? ;-)

    I am sorry, but the one I love to argue most with is myself.

    That must be very boring.

    dk

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Fri Mar 17 12:58:23 2023
    On 3/17/2023 4:27 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:11:15 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 06:29:24 UTC+1:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:19:46 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:23:08 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Pluted Pup wrote:


    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018).

    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they HIP and
    strip chamber music of all romance and sentiment or
    are they different from the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

    Quite the opposite. Very accomplished
    Eastern European group.

    CENTRAL.

    Most of us here remember the Cold War usage of the
    terms; the Soviet republics were not called "Eastern
    Euope".

    Anyway, WTF does it matter?
    Yes, it does. Any Prague dweller or Czech citizen
    would feel deeply insulted if they were called
    "Eastern Europeans". As I pointed out, this is
    also inconsistent with geographical reality.

    There can be no doubt Pluted's intent was to
    deliberately insult an entire nation, its people
    and its culture. This was no accidental error.

    I do not believe it was Pluted's intent was to
    insult people in this case; he just did have a
    wrong notion of things - why? I don't know.

    Note: Even Al Eisner thought of them as
    Eastern European.

    THEY DON'T THINK OF THEMSELVES AS
    EASTERN EUROPEANS !!!

    dk


    I'm no expert on European geography, politics, or the Soviet Union. But to the extent there has always been the terms Easter, Central and Western Europe, and France, Germany, Spain, etc. or Western and Poland, Russia and whatnot Eastern, wouldn't
    Czechoslavakia HAVE to be Central. Just sayin'.

    Wikipedia says this, FWIQ:


    Following World War II, large parts of Europe that were culturally and historically Western became part of the Eastern bloc. Czech author Milan Kundera (emigrant to France) thus wrote in 1984 about the "Tragedy of Central Europe" in the New York Review
    of Books.[48] The boundary between the two blocks was called the Iron Curtain. Consequently, the English term Central Europe was increasingly applied only to the westernmost former Warsaw Pact countries (East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary) to
    specify them as communist states that were culturally tied to Western Europe.[citation needed] This usage continued after the end of the Warsaw Pact when these countries started to undergo transition.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Marc S on Fri Mar 17 19:25:59 2023
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 3:47:12 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 11:40:02 UTC+1:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 3:14:50 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 10:45:30 UTC+1:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 2:26:13 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 09:27:39 UTC+1:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:11:15 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 06:29:24 UTC+1:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:19:46 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:23:08 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Pluted Pup wrote:


    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018). >>>
    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they HIP and >>> strip chamber music of all romance and sentiment or
    are they different from the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

    Quite the opposite. Very accomplished
    Eastern European group.

    CENTRAL.

    Most of us here remember the Cold War usage of the
    terms; the Soviet republics were not called "Eastern
    Euope".

    Anyway, WTF does it matter?
    Yes, it does. Any Prague dweller or Czech citizen
    would feel deeply insulted if they were called
    "Eastern Europeans". As I pointed out, this is
    also inconsistent with geographical reality.

    There can be no doubt Pluted's intent was to
    deliberately insult an entire nation, its people
    and its culture. This was no accidental error.

    I do not believe it was Pluted's intent was to
    insult people in this case; he just did have a
    wrong notion of things - why? I don't know.

    Note: Even Al Eisner thought of them as
    Eastern European.

    THEY DON'T THINK OF THEMSELVES AS
    EASTERN EUROPEANS !!!


    You are talking besides the point.

    I MAKE THE POINT! ;-)

    I never argued they were eastern europeans,

    HOW DARE YOU NOT ARGUE WITH ME? ;-)

    I am sorry, but the one I love to argue most with is myself.

    That must be very boring.

    Not really. It's kind of funny and much less frustrating.
    Unfortunately, most other people cannot follow my
    thoughts.

    It appears even you cannot follow your own thoughts.

    dk

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Fri Mar 17 19:36:59 2023
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 9:58:39 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/17/2023 4:27 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:11:15 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 06:29:24 UTC+1:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:19:46 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote: >>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:23:08 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Pluted Pup wrote:


    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018).

    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they HIP and
    strip chamber music of all romance and sentiment or
    are they different from the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

    Quite the opposite. Very accomplished
    Eastern European group.

    CENTRAL.

    Most of us here remember the Cold War usage of the
    terms; the Soviet republics were not called "Eastern
    Euope".

    Anyway, WTF does it matter?
    Yes, it does. Any Prague dweller or Czech citizen
    would feel deeply insulted if they were called
    "Eastern Europeans". As I pointed out, this is
    also inconsistent with geographical reality.

    There can be no doubt Pluted's intent was to
    deliberately insult an entire nation, its people
    and its culture. This was no accidental error.

    I do not believe it was Pluted's intent was to
    insult people in this case; he just did have a
    wrong notion of things - why? I don't know.

    Note: Even Al Eisner thought of them as
    Eastern European.

    THEY DON'T THINK OF THEMSELVES AS
    EASTERN EUROPEANS !!!

    I'm no expert on European geography, politics,
    or the Soviet Union. But to the extent there has
    always been the terms Easter, Central and
    Western Europe, and France, Germany, Spain,
    etc. or Western and Poland, Russia and what
    not Eastern, wouldn't Czechoslavakia HAVE to
    be Central. Just sayin'.

    No need for expertise or complicated thinking.
    Just open Google Maps and select any Prague
    (except the 5 in the US and one in Slovakia).

    https://goo.gl/maps/Kwf24HZPdPH3U7UVA

    Eyeball its position relative to Europe's limits:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_points_of_Europe

    Please write up your conclusions and post them.

    Wikipedia says this, FWIQ:

    Following World War II, large parts of Europe that
    were culturally and historically Western became
    part of the Eastern bloc. Czech author Milan
    Kundera (emigrant to France) thus wrote in
    1984 about the "Tragedy of Central Europe"
    in the New York Review of Books.[48] The
    boundary between the two blocks was called
    the Iron Curtain. Consequently, the English term
    Central Europe was increasingly applied only to
    the westernmost former Warsaw Pact countries
    (East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary)
    to specify them as communist states that were
    culturally tied to Western Europe.[citation needed]
    This usage continued after the end of the Warsaw
    Pact when these countries started to undergo
    transition.

    The quote above clearly shows Poland, Hungary,
    East Germany, Czechia and Slovakia belong in
    "Central" Europe. BTW Czechia actually lies
    West of the others.

    dk

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Sat Mar 18 00:47:08 2023
    Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 18. März 2023 um 03:26:03 UTC+1:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 3:47:12 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 11:40:02 UTC+1:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 3:14:50 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 10:45:30 UTC+1:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 2:26:13 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 09:27:39 UTC+1:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:11:15 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 06:29:24 UTC+1:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:19:46 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:23:08 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Pluted Pup wrote:


    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018). >>>
    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they HIP and >>> strip chamber music of all romance and sentiment or >>> are they different from the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

    Quite the opposite. Very accomplished
    Eastern European group.

    CENTRAL.

    Most of us here remember the Cold War usage of the
    terms; the Soviet republics were not called "Eastern Euope".

    Anyway, WTF does it matter?
    Yes, it does. Any Prague dweller or Czech citizen
    would feel deeply insulted if they were called
    "Eastern Europeans". As I pointed out, this is
    also inconsistent with geographical reality.

    There can be no doubt Pluted's intent was to
    deliberately insult an entire nation, its people
    and its culture. This was no accidental error.

    I do not believe it was Pluted's intent was to
    insult people in this case; he just did have a
    wrong notion of things - why? I don't know.

    Note: Even Al Eisner thought of them as
    Eastern European.

    THEY DON'T THINK OF THEMSELVES AS
    EASTERN EUROPEANS !!!


    You are talking besides the point.

    I MAKE THE POINT! ;-)

    I never argued they were eastern europeans,

    HOW DARE YOU NOT ARGUE WITH ME? ;-)

    I am sorry, but the one I love to argue most with is myself.

    That must be very boring.

    Not really. It's kind of funny and much less frustrating.
    Unfortunately, most other people cannot follow my
    thoughts.
    It appears even you cannot follow your own thoughts.

    dk

    Obviously it will seem this way to people who cannot follow my thoughts. Keywords in your "observation" are: *It appears*.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bob Harper@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Sat Mar 18 09:26:39 2023
    On 3/17/23 9:58 AM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/17/2023 4:27 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:11:15 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 06:29:24 UTC+1:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:19:46 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:23:08 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Pluted Pup wrote:


    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018).

    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they HIP and
    strip chamber music of all romance and sentiment or
    are they different from the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

    Quite the opposite. Very accomplished
    Eastern European group.

    CENTRAL.

    Most of us here remember the Cold War usage of the
    terms; the Soviet republics were not called "Eastern
    Euope".

    Anyway, WTF does it matter?
    Yes, it does. Any Prague dweller or Czech citizen
    would feel deeply insulted if they were called
    "Eastern Europeans". As I pointed out, this is
    also inconsistent with geographical reality.

    There can be no doubt Pluted's intent was to
    deliberately insult an entire nation, its people
    and its culture. This was no accidental error.

    I do not believe it was Pluted's intent was to
    insult people in this case; he just did have a
    wrong notion of things - why? I don't know.

    Note: Even Al Eisner thought of them as
    Eastern European.

    THEY DON'T THINK OF THEMSELVES AS
    EASTERN EUROPEANS !!!

    dk


    I'm no expert on European geography, politics, or the Soviet  Union.
    But to the extent there has always been the terms Easter, Central and
    Western Europe, and France, Germany, Spain, etc. or Western and Poland, Russia and whatnot Eastern, wouldn't Czechoslavakia  HAVE to be
    Central.  Just sayin'.

    Wikipedia says this, FWIQ:


    Following World War II, large parts of Europe that were culturally and historically Western became part of the Eastern bloc. Czech author Milan Kundera (emigrant to France) thus wrote in 1984 about the "Tragedy of
    Central Europe" in the New York Review of Books.[48] The boundary
    between the two blocks was called the Iron Curtain. Consequently, the
    English term Central Europe was increasingly applied only to the
    westernmost former Warsaw Pact countries (East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary) to specify them as communist states that were culturally tied to Western Europe.[citation needed] This usage continued after the end of the Warsaw Pact when these countries started to undergo transition.

    Frank, remember: Dan, Herman, Pluted, and Marc are not about to let
    facts like geographic reality get in the way of their p*****g contest.
    They're having too much "fun".

    Bob Harper

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Bob Harper on Sat Mar 18 10:42:52 2023
    Bob Harper schrieb am Samstag, 18. März 2023 um 17:26:45 UTC+1:
    On 3/17/23 9:58 AM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/17/2023 4:27 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:11:15 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 06:29:24 UTC+1:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:19:46 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:23:08 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Pluted Pup wrote:


    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018).

    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they HIP and
    strip chamber music of all romance and sentiment or
    are they different from the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

    Quite the opposite. Very accomplished
    Eastern European group.

    CENTRAL.

    Most of us here remember the Cold War usage of the
    terms; the Soviet republics were not called "Eastern
    Euope".

    Anyway, WTF does it matter?
    Yes, it does. Any Prague dweller or Czech citizen
    would feel deeply insulted if they were called
    "Eastern Europeans". As I pointed out, this is
    also inconsistent with geographical reality.

    There can be no doubt Pluted's intent was to
    deliberately insult an entire nation, its people
    and its culture. This was no accidental error.

    I do not believe it was Pluted's intent was to
    insult people in this case; he just did have a
    wrong notion of things - why? I don't know.

    Note: Even Al Eisner thought of them as
    Eastern European.

    THEY DON'T THINK OF THEMSELVES AS
    EASTERN EUROPEANS !!!

    dk


    I'm no expert on European geography, politics, or the Soviet Union.
    But to the extent there has always been the terms Easter, Central and Western Europe, and France, Germany, Spain, etc. or Western and Poland, Russia and whatnot Eastern, wouldn't Czechoslavakia HAVE to be
    Central. Just sayin'.

    Wikipedia says this, FWIQ:


    Following World War II, large parts of Europe that were culturally and historically Western became part of the Eastern bloc. Czech author Milan Kundera (emigrant to France) thus wrote in 1984 about the "Tragedy of Central Europe" in the New York Review of Books.[48] The boundary
    between the two blocks was called the Iron Curtain. Consequently, the English term Central Europe was increasingly applied only to the westernmost former Warsaw Pact countries (East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary) to specify them as communist states that were culturally tied to Western Europe.[citation needed] This usage continued after the end of the Warsaw Pact when these countries started to undergo transition.
    Frank, remember: Dan, Herman, Pluted, and Marc are not about to let
    facts like geographic reality get in the way of their p*****g contest. They're having too much "fun".

    Bob Harper

    Why are you censoring "pissing"? Take off your muzzle. Loosen up. Or just let us have fun our way, and you have fun your way.

    Geographic reality? I posted a map that clearly showed what is considered central europe and what is not - the map seems to have been made by geographers or people in that sort of field. You seem to be confusing history with geographic reality.

    It is understandable why some people would think that Czechia is eastern european, but according to geographic reality it is not.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Bob Harper on Sat Mar 18 11:58:15 2023
    Bob Harper schrieb am Samstag, 18. März 2023 um 17:26:45 UTC+1:
    On 3/17/23 9:58 AM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/17/2023 4:27 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:11:15 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 06:29:24 UTC+1:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:19:46 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:23:08 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Pluted Pup wrote:


    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018).

    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they HIP and
    strip chamber music of all romance and sentiment or
    are they different from the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

    Quite the opposite. Very accomplished
    Eastern European group.

    CENTRAL.

    Most of us here remember the Cold War usage of the
    terms; the Soviet republics were not called "Eastern
    Euope".

    Anyway, WTF does it matter?
    Yes, it does. Any Prague dweller or Czech citizen
    would feel deeply insulted if they were called
    "Eastern Europeans". As I pointed out, this is
    also inconsistent with geographical reality.

    There can be no doubt Pluted's intent was to
    deliberately insult an entire nation, its people
    and its culture. This was no accidental error.

    I do not believe it was Pluted's intent was to
    insult people in this case; he just did have a
    wrong notion of things - why? I don't know.

    Note: Even Al Eisner thought of them as
    Eastern European.

    THEY DON'T THINK OF THEMSELVES AS
    EASTERN EUROPEANS !!!

    dk


    I'm no expert on European geography, politics, or the Soviet Union.
    But to the extent there has always been the terms Easter, Central and Western Europe, and France, Germany, Spain, etc. or Western and Poland, Russia and whatnot Eastern, wouldn't Czechoslavakia HAVE to be
    Central. Just sayin'.

    Wikipedia says this, FWIQ:


    Following World War II, large parts of Europe that were culturally and historically Western became part of the Eastern bloc. Czech author Milan Kundera (emigrant to France) thus wrote in 1984 about the "Tragedy of Central Europe" in the New York Review of Books.[48] The boundary
    between the two blocks was called the Iron Curtain. Consequently, the English term Central Europe was increasingly applied only to the westernmost former Warsaw Pact countries (East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary) to specify them as communist states that were culturally tied to Western Europe.[citation needed] This usage continued after the end of the Warsaw Pact when these countries started to undergo transition.
    Frank, remember: Dan, Herman, Pluted, and Marc are not about to let
    facts like geographic reality get in the way of their p*****g contest. They're having too much "fun".

    Bob Harper

    The map I posted that considers Czechia central european is actually by the Standing Committee on Geographical Names, Germany...

    How about for once you loosen up and actually take time to look at things and think about them before you judge. I was just naming facts and agreeing with Dan; and then making some nonsensical comments j4f.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bob Harper@21:1/5 to Marc S on Sun Mar 19 11:30:14 2023
    On 3/18/23 11:58 AM, Marc S wrote:
    Bob Harper schrieb am Samstag, 18. März 2023 um 17:26:45 UTC+1:
    On 3/17/23 9:58 AM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/17/2023 4:27 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:11:15 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 06:29:24 UTC+1:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:19:46 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:23:08 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Pluted Pup wrote:


    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018).

    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they HIP and
    strip chamber music of all romance and sentiment or
    are they different from the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

    Quite the opposite. Very accomplished
    Eastern European group.

    CENTRAL.

    Most of us here remember the Cold War usage of the
    terms; the Soviet republics were not called "Eastern
    Euope".

    Anyway, WTF does it matter?
    Yes, it does. Any Prague dweller or Czech citizen
    would feel deeply insulted if they were called
    "Eastern Europeans". As I pointed out, this is
    also inconsistent with geographical reality.

    There can be no doubt Pluted's intent was to
    deliberately insult an entire nation, its people
    and its culture. This was no accidental error.

    I do not believe it was Pluted's intent was to
    insult people in this case; he just did have a
    wrong notion of things - why? I don't know.

    Note: Even Al Eisner thought of them as
    Eastern European.

    THEY DON'T THINK OF THEMSELVES AS
    EASTERN EUROPEANS !!!

    dk


    I'm no expert on European geography, politics, or the Soviet Union.
    But to the extent there has always been the terms Easter, Central and
    Western Europe, and France, Germany, Spain, etc. or Western and Poland,
    Russia and whatnot Eastern, wouldn't Czechoslavakia HAVE to be
    Central. Just sayin'.

    Wikipedia says this, FWIQ:


    Following World War II, large parts of Europe that were culturally and
    historically Western became part of the Eastern bloc. Czech author Milan >>> Kundera (emigrant to France) thus wrote in 1984 about the "Tragedy of
    Central Europe" in the New York Review of Books.[48] The boundary
    between the two blocks was called the Iron Curtain. Consequently, the
    English term Central Europe was increasingly applied only to the
    westernmost former Warsaw Pact countries (East Germany, Poland,
    Czechoslovakia, Hungary) to specify them as communist states that were
    culturally tied to Western Europe.[citation needed] This usage continued >>> after the end of the Warsaw Pact when these countries started to undergo >>> transition.
    Frank, remember: Dan, Herman, Pluted, and Marc are not about to let
    facts like geographic reality get in the way of their p*****g contest.
    They're having too much "fun".

    Bob Harper

    The map I posted that considers Czechia central european is actually by the Standing Committee on Geographical Names, Germany...

    How about for once you loosen up and actually take time to look at things and think about them before you judge. I was just naming facts and agreeing with Dan; and then making some nonsensical comments j4f.

    You have utterly misunderstood the burden of my post, but I don't think
    it's worth it to try to untangle your misunderstanding. I'm sure Frank
    will understand; after all, I was writing to him.

    Bob Harper

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Bob Harper on Mon Apr 3 13:53:19 2023
    Bob Harper schrieb am Sonntag, 19. März 2023 um 19:30:19 UTC+1:
    On 3/18/23 11:58 AM, Marc S wrote:
    Bob Harper schrieb am Samstag, 18. März 2023 um 17:26:45 UTC+1:
    On 3/17/23 9:58 AM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/17/2023 4:27 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:11:15 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 06:29:24 UTC+1:
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:19:46 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:23:08 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Pluted Pup wrote:


    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018).

    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they HIP and
    strip chamber music of all romance and sentiment or
    are they different from the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

    Quite the opposite. Very accomplished
    Eastern European group.

    CENTRAL.

    Most of us here remember the Cold War usage of the
    terms; the Soviet republics were not called "Eastern
    Euope".

    Anyway, WTF does it matter?
    Yes, it does. Any Prague dweller or Czech citizen
    would feel deeply insulted if they were called
    "Eastern Europeans". As I pointed out, this is
    also inconsistent with geographical reality.

    There can be no doubt Pluted's intent was to
    deliberately insult an entire nation, its people
    and its culture. This was no accidental error.

    I do not believe it was Pluted's intent was to
    insult people in this case; he just did have a
    wrong notion of things - why? I don't know.

    Note: Even Al Eisner thought of them as
    Eastern European.

    THEY DON'T THINK OF THEMSELVES AS
    EASTERN EUROPEANS !!!

    dk


    I'm no expert on European geography, politics, or the Soviet Union.
    But to the extent there has always been the terms Easter, Central and >>> Western Europe, and France, Germany, Spain, etc. or Western and Poland, >>> Russia and whatnot Eastern, wouldn't Czechoslavakia HAVE to be
    Central. Just sayin'.

    Wikipedia says this, FWIQ:


    Following World War II, large parts of Europe that were culturally and >>> historically Western became part of the Eastern bloc. Czech author Milan >>> Kundera (emigrant to France) thus wrote in 1984 about the "Tragedy of >>> Central Europe" in the New York Review of Books.[48] The boundary
    between the two blocks was called the Iron Curtain. Consequently, the >>> English term Central Europe was increasingly applied only to the
    westernmost former Warsaw Pact countries (East Germany, Poland,
    Czechoslovakia, Hungary) to specify them as communist states that were >>> culturally tied to Western Europe.[citation needed] This usage continued >>> after the end of the Warsaw Pact when these countries started to undergo >>> transition.
    Frank, remember: Dan, Herman, Pluted, and Marc are not about to let
    facts like geographic reality get in the way of their p*****g contest.
    They're having too much "fun".

    Bob Harper

    The map I posted that considers Czechia central european is actually by the Standing Committee on Geographical Names, Germany...

    How about for once you loosen up and actually take time to look at things and think about them before you judge. I was just naming facts and agreeing with Dan; and then making some nonsensical comments j4f.
    You have utterly misunderstood the burden of my post, but I don't think
    it's worth it to try to untangle your misunderstanding. I'm sure Frank
    will understand; after all, I was writing to him.

    Bob Harper

    Bob... I have not "utterly" misunderstood what you wrote. The only thing I misunderstood was that I thought you denied the fact that Czechia was considered central european.

    Conveniently - as a Christian who reads the Bible ignores all the points that would made one doubt its veracity - you ignore all the points I made first:

    1) That you are being utterly idiotic in censoring yourself wrt "pissing" - why use this in the first place if you end up censoring yourself... be open to criticism Bob... this behaviour was quite idiotic...

    2) That I am not interested in having an "intellectual" discussion with you Bob... or with Frank... and that you two can have fun your way, and we have fun our way. So I actually did get your point; you wanted a "civilised" discussion about this topic -
    this is your right my dear friend. And it is my right to do otherwise.

    Seems you didn't get my points... tomatohead!

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Marc S on Mon Apr 3 13:56:29 2023
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 1:53:21 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:

    I am not interested in having an "intellectual"
    discussion with you Bob... or with Frank...

    You wouldn't be able to have an "intellectual"
    discussion with a rock.

    dk

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Mon Apr 3 14:09:14 2023
    Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 3. April 2023 um 22:56:32 UTC+2:
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 1:53:21 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:

    I am not interested in having an "intellectual"
    discussion with you Bob... or with Frank...
    You wouldn't be able to have an "intellectual"
    discussion with a rock.

    Says Dan the Intellectual.


    dk

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Mon Apr 3 14:14:18 2023
    Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 3. April 2023 um 22:56:32 UTC+2:
    On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 1:53:21 PM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:

    I am not interested in having an "intellectual"
    discussion with you Bob... or with Frank...
    You wouldn't be able to have an "intellectual"
    discussion with a rock.

    dk

    You never discuss the merits of an interpretation based on the score; going in depth, explaing how artists deviate from the score, how it might shed lights on different things etc. Posting examples etc.

    You always only scratch the surface with your descriptions, and maybe not even... "intellectual"...

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Marc S on Mon Apr 3 14:21:41 2023
    Marc S schrieb am Montag, 3. April 2023 um 22:53:21 UTC+2:
    Bob Harper schrieb am Sonntag, 19. März 2023 um 19:30:19 UTC+1:
    On 3/18/23 11:58 AM, Marc S wrote:
    Bob Harper schrieb am Samstag, 18. März 2023 um 17:26:45 UTC+1:
    On 3/17/23 9:58 AM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/17/2023 4:27 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:11:15 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 17. März 2023 um 06:29:24 UTC+1: >>>>>> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 10:19:46 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:23:08 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Pluted Pup wrote:


    There's a Prazak Quartet 50 CDs on Praga (1992-2018). >>>>>>>>>>
    What sort of players are the Prazak, are they HIP and >>>>>>>>>> strip chamber music of all romance and sentiment or
    are they different from the others?

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGSWVMWW

    Quite the opposite. Very accomplished
    Eastern European group.

    CENTRAL.

    Most of us here remember the Cold War usage of the
    terms; the Soviet republics were not called "Eastern
    Euope".

    Anyway, WTF does it matter?
    Yes, it does. Any Prague dweller or Czech citizen
    would feel deeply insulted if they were called
    "Eastern Europeans". As I pointed out, this is
    also inconsistent with geographical reality.

    There can be no doubt Pluted's intent was to
    deliberately insult an entire nation, its people
    and its culture. This was no accidental error.

    I do not believe it was Pluted's intent was to
    insult people in this case; he just did have a
    wrong notion of things - why? I don't know.

    Note: Even Al Eisner thought of them as
    Eastern European.

    THEY DON'T THINK OF THEMSELVES AS
    EASTERN EUROPEANS !!!

    dk


    I'm no expert on European geography, politics, or the Soviet Union. >>> But to the extent there has always been the terms Easter, Central and >>> Western Europe, and France, Germany, Spain, etc. or Western and Poland,
    Russia and whatnot Eastern, wouldn't Czechoslavakia HAVE to be
    Central. Just sayin'.

    Wikipedia says this, FWIQ:


    Following World War II, large parts of Europe that were culturally and >>> historically Western became part of the Eastern bloc. Czech author Milan
    Kundera (emigrant to France) thus wrote in 1984 about the "Tragedy of >>> Central Europe" in the New York Review of Books.[48] The boundary
    between the two blocks was called the Iron Curtain. Consequently, the >>> English term Central Europe was increasingly applied only to the
    westernmost former Warsaw Pact countries (East Germany, Poland,
    Czechoslovakia, Hungary) to specify them as communist states that were >>> culturally tied to Western Europe.[citation needed] This usage continued
    after the end of the Warsaw Pact when these countries started to undergo
    transition.
    Frank, remember: Dan, Herman, Pluted, and Marc are not about to let
    facts like geographic reality get in the way of their p*****g contest. >> They're having too much "fun".

    Bob Harper

    The map I posted that considers Czechia central european is actually by the Standing Committee on Geographical Names, Germany...

    How about for once you loosen up and actually take time to look at things and think about them before you judge. I was just naming facts and agreeing with Dan; and then making some nonsensical comments j4f.
    You have utterly misunderstood the burden of my post, but I don't think it's worth it to try to untangle your misunderstanding. I'm sure Frank will understand; after all, I was writing to him.

    Bob Harper
    Bob... I have not "utterly" misunderstood what you wrote. The only thing I misunderstood was that I thought you denied the fact that Czechia was considered central european.

    Conveniently - as a Christian who reads the Bible ignores all the points that would made one doubt its veracity - you ignore all the points I made first:

    that would *make him


    1) That you are being utterly idiotic in censoring yourself wrt "pissing" - why use this in the first place if you end up censoring yourself... be open to criticism Bob... this behaviour was quite idiotic...

    2) That I am not interested in having an "intellectual" discussion with you Bob... or with Frank... and that you two can have fun your way, and we have fun our way. So I actually did get your point; you wanted a "civilised" discussion about this topic -
    this is your right my dear friend. And it is my right to do otherwise.

    Seems you didn't get my points... tomatohead!

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  • From Bob Harper@21:1/5 to Marc S on Tue Apr 4 14:01:16 2023
    On 4/3/23 2:21 PM, Marc S wrote:

    Bob... I have not "utterly" misunderstood what you wrote. The only thing I misunderstood was that I thought you denied the fact that Czechia was considered central european.

    Conveniently - as a Christian who reads the Bible ignores all the points that would made one doubt its veracity - you ignore all the points I made first:

    that would *make him


    1) That you are being utterly idiotic in censoring yourself wrt "pissing" - why use this in the first place if you end up censoring yourself... be open to criticism Bob... this behaviour was quite idiotic...

    2) That I am not interested in having an "intellectual" discussion with you Bob... or with Frank... and that you two can have fun your way, and we have fun our way. So I actually did get your point; you wanted a "civilised" discussion about this topic
    - this is your right my dear friend. And it is my right to do otherwise.

    Seems you didn't get my points... tomatohead!

    I'm beginning to get the sense that you are Michael Schaffer's
    reincarnation. Once was enough. Goodbye.

    Bob Harper

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Bob Harper on Tue Apr 4 15:35:00 2023
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 2:01:22 PM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:

    I'm beginning to get the sense that you are Michael
    Schaffer's reincarnation. Once was enough. Goodbye.


    Maybe Schaffer was Marc's pre-incarnation?

    dk

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  • From Bob Harper@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Wed Apr 5 09:06:14 2023
    On 4/4/23 3:35 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 2:01:22 PM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:

    I'm beginning to get the sense that you are Michael
    Schaffer's reincarnation. Once was enough. Goodbye.


    Maybe Schaffer was Marc's pre-incarnation?

    dk

    :). Either way, Basta!

    Bob Harper

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Bob Harper on Wed Apr 5 10:50:29 2023
    Bob Harper schrieb am Dienstag, 4. April 2023 um 23:01:22 UTC+2:
    On 4/3/23 2:21 PM, Marc S wrote:

    Bob... I have not "utterly" misunderstood what you wrote. The only thing I misunderstood was that I thought you denied the fact that Czechia was considered central european.

    Conveniently - as a Christian who reads the Bible ignores all the points that would made one doubt its veracity - you ignore all the points I made first:

    that would *make him


    1) That you are being utterly idiotic in censoring yourself wrt "pissing" - why use this in the first place if you end up censoring yourself... be open to criticism Bob... this behaviour was quite idiotic...

    2) That I am not interested in having an "intellectual" discussion with you Bob... or with Frank... and that you two can have fun your way, and we have fun our way. So I actually did get your point; you wanted a "civilised" discussion about this
    topic - this is your right my dear friend. And it is my right to do otherwise.

    Seems you didn't get my points... tomatohead!
    I'm beginning to get the sense that you are Michael Schaffer's

    "Beginning"? You already told me that months ago... Seems as Schaffer was right about some things.

    reincarnation. Once was enough. Goodbye.

    Well... what a pity... what a loss... at least I got to make fun of you a second time.

    Enjoy yourself with the people who deem the USA responsible for the war in the Ukraine... and who think the USA is wrong in protecting Taiwan... and who quote Al Jazeera on Israel, but scream about Fox-News being biased... who talk in a similar tone as
    conspiracy theorists... etc. - in short absolute idiots...

    Goodbye Mr I am a Christian and I love myself too much to admit any mistakes. What an awesome teacher you must be.


    Bob Harper

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