https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDU52ygWPYs

Or S-E-W-I-N-G M-A-C-H-I-N-E ?!?

Yikes !!!

dk

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On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 10:35:07 PM UTC-5, Herman wrote:

All about hate

You've become the deranged Commissioner Dreyfus of RMCR, constantly twitching and attempting to murder his nemesis, but instead making a fool of himself over and over. Find something worthy of your life.

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On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 9:50:44 PM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDU52ygWPYs

Or S-E-W-I-N-G M-A-C-H-I-N-E ?!?

Yikes !!!

dk

I don't know who the "Refrence Recording" people are, but their masters are crap. Distortion, clipping, blech. I hope someone is having fun with it.

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On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 8:54:23 PM UTC-7, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 9:50:44 PM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDU52ygWPYs

Or S-E-W-I-N-G M-A-C-H-I-N-E ?!?

Yikes !!!

I don't know who the "Refrence Recording" people
are, but their masters are crap. Distortion, clipping,
blech. I hope someone is having fun with it.

La Wanda does not sound any better in other versions.
The metronomic pace and the lack of expression cannot
be masked by better sound quality.

dk

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All about hate

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mswd...@gmail.com schrieb am Dienstag, 14. März 2023 um 05:03:43 UTC+1:

On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 10:35:07 PM UTC-5, Herman wrote:

All about hate

You've become the deranged Commissioner Dreyfus of RMCR, constantly twitching and attempting to murder his nemesis, but instead making a fool of himself over and over. Find something worthy of your life.

haha - perfect take.

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On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 9:03:43 PM UTC-7, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 10:35:07 PM UTC-5, Herman wrote:

All about hate

You've become the deranged Commissioner Dreyfus of
RMCR, constantly twitching and attempting to murder
his nemesis, but instead making a fool of himself
over and over. Find something worthy of your life.

His life is half a dozen Gouda holes.

dk

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 5:03:43 AM UTC+1, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 10:35:07 PM UTC-5, Herman wrote:

All about hate

You've become the deranged Commissioner Dreyfus of RMCR, constantly twitching and attempting to murder his nemesis, but instead making a fool of himself over and over. Find something worthy of your life.

This from the guy who dug up a post of mine from weeks ago to hate upon?

Also, language? I am not "attempting to murder" anyone (the violent hyperbolic DK language is contagious).

All I did is comment on the fact that these I Hate This or That Performance / Performer are contributing to the general negative character of RMCR.

It's unnecessary to stop people from listening to Landowska, 'cause virtually no one listens to Landowska. And if they do, they do because they like Landowska. So what?

Didn't Mandryka / Howie say he liked Landowska? He is one of the most adventurous and open-minded members. Why would you want to make people unhappy about the music they are enjoying?

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On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 10:50:44 PM UTC-4, Dan Koren wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDU52ygWPYs

Or S-E-W-I-N-G M-A-C-H-I-N-E ?!?

Yikes !!!

dk

For me it’s a great recording, and the fact that it has not gone out of print for 74 years indicates something significant.

If anyone were to spend a substantial amount of time reading your voluminous posts over the years - initiating threads bashing musicians who aren’t to your liking - they would come to see how you are ruled by negativity, and sadly come to the
conclusion that you are a very unhappy person.

Now everyone can watch as you deny it or the tribal chief comes in to defend you………….nothing changes.

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 3:54:23 AM UTC, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 9:50:44 PM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDU52ygWPYs

Or S-E-W-I-N-G M-A-C-H-I-N-E ?!?

Yikes !!!

dk

I don't know who the "Refrence Recording" people are, but their masters are crap. Distortion, clipping, blech. I hope someone is having fun with it.

If you’re interested in Landowska’s ideas but can’t tolerate the sound of the recording of WTC, try Malcolm Hamilton’s 1964 recording. He was influenced by her. He uses a huge revival harpsichord with a 16’ stop.

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1gAgJIplj-nbYPnZE0jk3A8khHaO2SKi

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 1:02:47 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:

It's unnecessary to stop people from listening to Landowska,

I am not trying to stop anyone from listening to anything. I
am merely stating my dislike. You are obsessively looking
for "intent" where there is none.

'cause virtually no one listens to Landowska.

I don't keep track.

And if they do, they do because they like Landowska. So
what?

Exactly.

Didn't Mandryka / Howie say he liked Landowska? He is
one of the most adventurous and open-minded members.

Whatever makes one happy makes one happy.

Why would you want to make people unhappy about
the music they are enjoying?

Can you get it through your rotten Gouda that I DO NOT
WANT ANYTHING? I state my opinions and that's all.

You are really insane.

dk

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 1:02:47 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:

All I did is comment on the fact that these I Hate This
or That Performance / Performer are contributing to
the general negative character of RMCR.

Completely ignoring the way "hate" is frequently used
coloquially in modern society. What a prudish, strict
literalist view of language from a self-appointed
manners policeperson. So in your view people
are not allowed to say they hate sushi, or pink
socks?

The notion RMCR has a "general character" is
delusional beyond imagination. And if it does,
that character is increasingly the result of self
appointed arbiters trying to regulate speech
and taste and so on.

You really are a brainfucked imbecile liar.

dk

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 1:35:34 AM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:

On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 10:50:44 PM UTC-4, Dan Koren wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDU52ygWPYs

Or S-E-W-I-N-G M-A-C-H-I-N-E ?!?

Yikes !!!

For me it’s a great recording,

Enjoy it for as long as you live -- and beyond.

and the fact that it has not gone out of print
for 74 years indicates something significant.

So what? Plenty of questionable content has
been in print for centuries, if not millennia.

You seem to be suggesting that one should
go along with established opinions and with
shared belief systems, or at least keep one's
mouth shut so as not to offend others. This
is censorship, no matter how politely stated.

If anyone were to spend a substantial amount
of time reading your voluminous posts over
the years - initiating threads bashing musicians
who aren’t to your liking - they would come to see
how you are ruled by negativity, and sadly come to
the conclusion that you are a very unhappy person.

Playing amateur therapist like your cousin Herman?

Now everyone can watch as you deny it

So what?

dk

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 9:45:48 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:

Playing amateur therapist like your cousin Herman?

It's not a matter of playing amateur therapist.

On virtually every online group there are one or two deranged folks acting out their pathologies.
We used to have the ansermet / mouthpiece guy. Now it's you.

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You are unaware of the even the most basic communication facts.

Even a baby knows it's crying for a purpose.

If you write, as you often do, in all caps, and in this case even interspaced all caps, you are very urgently trying to tell people something.

If you're telling people, as you very often do that they are imbeciles, either or not brainfucked, you're telling them they are wrong and you are right.

In other words, you're trying to persuade them of your POV.
Your POV is mostly negative and hateful.
That's why numerous RMCRers have been asking to dial it down.
In response you double down.

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Op dinsdag 14 maart 2023 om 03:50:44 UTC+1 schreef Dan Koren:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDU52ygWPYs

Or S-E-W-I-N-G M-A-C-H-I-N-E ?!?

Yikes !!!

I don't like the instrument but love the playing, as I always did. Nothing wishy-washy about her approach to Bach.

Henk

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 1:52:47 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 9:45:48 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:

Playing amateur therapist like your cousin Herman?

It's not a matter of playing amateur therapist.
On virtually every online group there are one or
two deranged folks acting out their pathologies.

ROTFL !!!

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Op dinsdag 14 maart 2023 om 09:19:34 UTC+1 schreef Mandryka:

If you’re interested in Landowska’s ideas but can’t tolerate the sound of the recording of WTC, try Malcolm Hamilton’s 1964 recording. He was influenced by her. He uses a huge revival harpsichord with a 16’ stop.

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1gAgJIplj-nbYPnZE0jk3A8khHaO2SKi

Thanks. Hamilton's neat and far better sounding version only illustrates the enormous power and character of Landowska's performances.

Henk

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 4:45:48 AM UTC-4, Dan Koren wrote:

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 1:35:34 AM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:

On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 10:50:44 PM UTC-4, Dan Koren wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDU52ygWPYs

You seem to be suggesting that one should
go along with established opinions and with
shared belief systems, or at least keep one's
mouth shut so as not to offend others.

No. I’m suggesting that human beings are not the same as objects being rated by Consumer Reports.

In a recent thread you referred to a performer as “Turdreck’. That was insanely rude and demonstrated an utter lack of compassion. But I’m mentioning this not so much for your sake as to highlight it for others. The decent thing to do would be
to refuse to participate after seeing that.







This

is censorship, no matter how politely stated.

If anyone were to spend a substantial amount
of time reading your voluminous posts over
the years - initiating threads bashing musicians
who aren’t to your liking - they would come to see
how you are ruled by negativity, and sadly come to
the conclusion that you are a very unhappy person.

Playing amateur therapist like your cousin Herman?

Now everyone can watch as you deny it

So what?

dk

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 2:18:17 AM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 4:45:48 AM UTC-4, Dan Koren wrote:

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 1:35:34 AM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:

On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 10:50:44 PM UTC-4, Dan Koren wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDU52ygWPYs

You seem to be suggesting that one should
go along with established opinions and with
shared belief systems, or at least keep one's
mouth shut so as not to offend others.

No. I’m suggesting that human beings are not
the same as objects being rated by Consumer
Reports.

Non sequitur. Recordings are not "human beings".

In a recent thread you referred to a performer as
“Turdreck’.

Yes, I did. Nothing wrong with it.
She has been dead for a while.

That was insanely rude and demonstrated an utter
lack of compassion.

Compassion for what/whom?
"Never speak ill of the dead"?

But I’m mentioning this not so much for your sake
as to highlight it for others. The decent thing to do
would be to refuse to participate after seeing that.

In case you didn't notice, I did
praise some of her earlier
recordings. Your memory
seems to be not only short,
but also very selective.

dk

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 10:27:39 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 2:18:17 AM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:

No. I’m suggesting that human beings are not
the same as objects being rated by Consumer
Reports.

Non sequitur. Recordings are not "human beings".

In a recent thread you referred to a performer as
“Turdreck’.

Yes, I did. Nothing wrong with it.
She has been dead for a while.

That was insanely rude and demonstrated an utter
lack of compassion.

Recently you said that RMCR is not an environment but a vacuum.
In other words, other people / members do not exist.
You're just here to assert yourself.

This habit of changing performers' names into minor insults is a very familiar symptom to people in the mental health biz.
By changing people's names and refusing to ackowledge that other people have a real life,
and real name of their own, people in the grip of pathologies dehumanize the outside world
just to feel better about themselves.
This is what you're doing all the time,
by calling RMCR a vacuum for you to fill with your hatred,
by abusing members on the basis of their (perceived ) ethnicity, calling them escargots or cheese,
and by calling the brainfucked imbeciles and nazis and antisemites.

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 2:35:48 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:

This habit of changing performers'
names into minor insults is a very
familiar symptom to people in the
mental health biz.

To which you belong? Can you provide
some examples from the professional
literature? If possible peer reviewed.

By changing people's names and
refusing to ackowledge that other
people have a real life,

How do deceased people have "real
lives"?

and real name of their own, people in
the grip of pathologies dehumanize the
outside world just to feel better about
themselves.

Hallucinating again?

This is what you're doing all the time,

Not exactly. Only when I see opportunity.

by calling RMCR a vacuum for you to
fill with your hatred,

You are getting overly sentimental. Open
internet groups are vacuums by nature.
They have no boundaries and cannot
be "filled" with anything.

You got it all wrong again. I do not hate
anyone or anything. Not even low life
like you.

dk

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Herman schrieb am Dienstag, 14. März 2023 um 09:02:47 UTC+1:

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 5:03:43 AM UTC+1, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 10:35:07 PM UTC-5, Herman wrote:

All about hate

You've become the deranged Commissioner Dreyfus of RMCR, constantly twitching and attempting to murder his nemesis, but instead making a fool of himself over and over. Find something worthy of your life.

This from the guy who dug up a post of mine from weeks ago to hate upon?

Also, language? I am not "attempting to murder" anyone (the violent hyperbolic DK language is contagious).

Always hysterical...

- DK makes a funny comment => You exaggerate: "All about hate".

- mswd makes a funny comment about you => Instead of reflecting on your stupidity, you continue to make a fool out of yourself (to my joy)... "violent hyperbolic DK language"... can you be any less hysterical? It seems as if you are completely oblivious
to the point mswd was making.

I really wonder how you interpret allegories, parables or fables...

All I did is comment on the fact that these I Hate This or That Performance / Performer are contributing to the general negative character of RMCR.

I did not know people aren't allowed to express their dislike or hatred for performances.

It's unnecessary to stop people from listening to Landowska, 'cause virtually no one listens to Landowska. And if they do, they do because they like Landowska. So what?

Didn't Mandryka / Howie say he liked Landowska? He is one of the most adventurous and open-minded members. Why would you want to make people unhappy about the music they are enjoying?

Herman... I think Howie can speak for himself. No need to drag him into your shitshow. I don't believe that Howie feels in any way bad about the music he is enjoying, just because Dan mocks it - this is something you need to learn. I remember how you
said you couldn't enjoy some piano performances anymore, just because of how DK mocked them - this shows what power DK has over you and how broken your ego is. Hahaha

I also do not believe that it's DK's intent to make people feel bad about what they enjoy, he is just expressing his opinion.

According to Herman only positive statements about music are allowed - how absurd. Grow up you fool.

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 3:01:28 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:

I really wonder how you interpret allegories, parables
or fables...

He doesn't. Herman is the strictest, most paranoid
literalist I have ever encountered. He has no notion
of allegory, metaphor, or any other form of indirect
discourse. He also has no scents of humour. If
someone says he/she hates sushi, he takes it
literally as an attack on fish and seafood.

dk

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Marc S schrieb am Dienstag, 14. März 2023 um 11:01:28 UTC+1:

Herman schrieb am Dienstag, 14. März 2023 um 09:02:47 UTC+1:

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 5:03:43 AM UTC+1, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 10:35:07 PM UTC-5, Herman wrote:

All about hate

You've become the deranged Commissioner Dreyfus of RMCR, constantly twitching and attempting to murder his nemesis, but instead making a fool of himself over and over. Find something worthy of your life.

This from the guy who dug up a post of mine from weeks ago to hate upon?

Also, language? I am not "attempting to murder" anyone (the violent hyperbolic DK language is contagious).

Always hysterical...

- DK makes a funny comment => You exaggerate: "All about hate".

- mswd makes a funny comment about you => Instead of reflecting on your stupidity, you continue to make a fool out of yourself (to my joy)... "violent hyperbolic DK language"... can you be any less hysterical? It seems as if you are completely

oblivious to the point mswd was making.

*can you be any more hysterical?

I really wonder how you interpret allegories, parables or fables...

All I did is comment on the fact that these I Hate This or That Performance / Performer are contributing to the general negative character of RMCR.

I did not know people aren't allowed to express their dislike or hatred for performances.

It's unnecessary to stop people from listening to Landowska, 'cause virtually no one listens to Landowska. And if they do, they do because they like Landowska. So what?

Didn't Mandryka / Howie say he liked Landowska? He is one of the most adventurous and open-minded members. Why would you want to make people unhappy about the music they are enjoying?

Herman... I think Howie can speak for himself. No need to drag him into your shitshow. I don't believe that Howie feels in any way bad about the music he is enjoying, just because Dan mocks it - this is something you need to learn. I remember how you

said you couldn't enjoy some piano performances anymore, just because of how DK mocked them - this shows what power DK has over you and how broken your ego is. Hahaha

I also do not believe that it's DK's intent to make people feel bad about what they enjoy, he is just expressing his opinion.

According to Herman only positive statements about music are allowed - how absurd. Grow up you fool.

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 11:09:45 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 3:01:28 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:

I really wonder how you interpret allegories, parables
or fables...

He doesn't. Herman is the strictest, most paranoid
literalist I have ever encountered. He has no notion
of allegory, metaphor, or any other form of indirect
discourse. He also has no scents of humour. If
someone says he/she hates sushi, he takes it
literally as an attack on fish and seafood.

dk

you have never encountered me.
Nor have I ever encountered you.
I have no idea how you would behave in real life,
but it's pretty obvious you need RMCR to project
a huge exaggeration of yourself, and you desperately need this,
as is clear from the overwhelming volume of your posting,
and your need to demean and overwhelm everybody else on RMCR.

and sure, if you were to post obsessively about hating sushi
over and over again, and if you were to yell at people
who said "frankly I rather like sushi,"
and if you were to call them brainfucked all caps imbeciles
over and over again, most people in possession
of their mental and social faculties would call that an attack,
cause that's what it is.
I (nor anyone else here) would never say you were attacking tuna fish.
that's your manipulative misreading of human communication.
There are no tuna fish participating in RMCR.

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Constantly laughing at one's own jokes and never even being aware of other people's sense (or as you call it: scents) of humor is all very familiar to mental health professionals.
It's patients living inside their own scary universe.

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Dan Koren schrieb am Dienstag, 14. März 2023 um 11:09:45 UTC+1:

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 3:01:28 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:

I really wonder how you interpret allegories, parables
or fables...

He doesn't. Herman is the strictest, most paranoid
literalist I have ever encountered. He has no notion
of allegory, metaphor, or any other form of indirect
discourse. He also has no scents of humour. If
someone says he/she hates sushi, he takes it
literally as an attack on fish and seafood.

dk

I almost spit out my tea.

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 11:24:32 AM UTC+1, Marc S wrote:

I almost spit out my tea.

That is too interesting. Tell us when you do, Robin.

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Herman schrieb am Dienstag, 14. März 2023 um 11:23:08 UTC+1:

Constantly laughing at one's own jokes and never even being aware of other people's sense (or as you call it: scents) of humor is all very familiar to mental health professionals.
It's patients living inside their own scary universe.

It seems as if you are the one living in your own scary universe; he is not the only one laughing about his jokes.

Furthermore, mental health professionals are all very familiar with people who lack a sense of humour, especially with people who can't laugh about themselves...

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Herman schrieb am Dienstag, 14. März 2023 um 11:26:13 UTC+1:

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 11:24:32 AM UTC+1, Marc S wrote:

I almost spit out my tea.

That is too interesting. Tell us when you do, Robin.

I always liked Robin more than Batman. Kind of cute how you are trying to be funny.

Who is mswd then? Batwoman?

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 3:24:32 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:

Dan Koren schrieb am Dienstag, 14. März 2023 um 11:09:45 UTC+1:

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 3:01:28 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:

I really wonder how you interpret allegories, parables
or fables...

He doesn't. Herman is the strictest, most paranoid
literalist I have ever encountered. He has no notion
of allegory, metaphor, or any other form of indirect
discourse. He also has no scents of humour. If
someone says he/she hates sushi, he takes it
literally as an attack on fish and seafood.

I almost spit out my tea.

My apologies. Would you please be so
kind as to share what kind of tea it was?

dk

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Dan Koren schrieb am Dienstag, 14. März 2023 um 12:33:19 UTC+1:

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 3:24:32 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:

Dan Koren schrieb am Dienstag, 14. März 2023 um 11:09:45 UTC+1:

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 3:01:28 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:

I really wonder how you interpret allegories, parables
or fables...

He doesn't. Herman is the strictest, most paranoid
literalist I have ever encountered. He has no notion
of allegory, metaphor, or any other form of indirect
discourse. He also has no scents of humour. If
someone says he/she hates sushi, he takes it
literally as an attack on fish and seafood.

I almost spit out my tea.

My apologies. Would you please be so
kind as to share what kind of tea it was?

dk

Recently switched from Green Tea to Earl Grey.

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 5:45:35 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:

Dan Koren schrieb am Dienstag, 14. März 2023 um 12:33:19 UTC+1:

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 3:24:32 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:

I almost spit out my tea.

My apologies. Would you please be so
kind as to share what kind of tea it was?

Recently switched from Green Tea to Earl Grey.

You should try Oolong.

dk

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When I listen to what she does with tempo changes, I feel as though I'm hearing music from Mars. Listen to how she pulls the tempo about here, which I just chose at random

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HZTL3AYL3c&ab_channel=JohannSebastian

And to think that there are, or rather there were, people who thought this is what WTC sounds like!

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Dan Koren schrieb am Dienstag, 14. März 2023 um 13:50:09 UTC+1:

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 5:45:35 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:

Dan Koren schrieb am Dienstag, 14. März 2023 um 12:33:19 UTC+1:

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 3:24:32 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:

I almost spit out my tea.

My apologies. Would you please be so
kind as to share what kind of tea it was?

Recently switched from Green Tea to Earl Grey.

You should try Oolong.

dk

Looks good, I'll try it out.

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Op dinsdag 14 maart 2023 om 18:29:44 UTC+1 schreef Mandryka:

When I listen to what she does with tempo changes, I feel as though I'm hearing music from Mars. Listen to how she pulls the tempo about here, which I just chose at random

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HZTL3AYL3c&ab_channel=JohannSebastian

And to think that there are, or rather there were, people who thought this is what WTC sounds like!

It's doubtlessly Bach - even if he wouldn't recognize himself. Who else composed music that sounds as interesting however one plays it?

Henk

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 3:35:34 AM UTC-5, JohnGavin wrote:

If anyone were to spend a substantial amount of time reading your voluminous posts over the years - initiating threads bashing musicians who aren’t to your liking - they would come to see how you are ruled by negativity, and sadly come to the

conclusion that you are a very unhappy person.

I've been here 30 years and can only read that judgment, John, as a wish-expression on your part. Dan's posts consistently give the impression of someone enjoying himself.

But on top of that, what if he was deeply unhappy? Are you judging that as a character defect? Personally, I welcome the thoughts of anyone who wants to post even if they are in the grips of depression, and you should, too.

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 4:18:17 AM UTC-5, JohnGavin wrote:

In a recent thread you referred to a performer as “Turdreck’. That was insanely rude and demonstrated an utter lack of compassion. But I’m mentioning this not so much for your sake as to highlight it for others. The decent thing to do would be to

refuse to participate after seeing that.

I, for one, am relieved that discussion of classical music here and anywhere isn't exclusively a realm of stuffy old men demanding attention to manners and refinement. And I can't for the life of me see how strong language becomes a lack of "compassion".
That just sounds like old men taking themselves too seriously.

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 3:02:47 AM UTC-5, Herman wrote:

This from the guy who dug up a post of mine from weeks ago to hate upon?

Unfortunately, picking a post of yours that happens to be several weeks old to comment on isn't disqualifying since your present demeanor is unchanged. And I'm no hater. Frankly, you don't even raise my blood pressure. Certainly, one can argue that some
of Dan's behavior has been beyond the pale, yet here he is posting about music and I welcome that. Try it yourself and you might find yourself happier and the two of us friendlier.

Also, language? I am not "attempting to murder" anyone (the violent hyperbolic DK language is contagious).

Maybe you should figure out what it is you want, ask for it, and when you don't get it, look ahead. Unless it is simply the case that you don't "want" anything except the pleasure of calling Dan a racist over and over and the freedom to call those who
object to your behavior "haters" as well.

All I did is comment on the fact that these I Hate This or That Performance / Performer are contributing to the general negative character of RMCR.

I can't imagine how much more boring RMCR would have been over its entire existence if there was a ban on negative opinions. But you're not really paying attention: Dan posts positive opinions regularly, and I find neither his strongest positive or
negative ones confining where my own tastes are concerned.

It's unnecessary to stop people from listening to Landowska, 'cause virtually no one listens to Landowska. And if they do, they do because they like Landowska. So what?

It is simply mistaken to think that Dan's goal was to stop people from listening to Landowska. The suggestion is absurd- even to agree with Dan, you'd have to listen to her. Dan is at least clear on why he dislikes her. You might find metronomical
performances interesting.

Didn't Mandryka / Howie say he liked Landowska? He is one of the most adventurous and open-minded members. Why would you want to make people unhappy about the music they are enjoying?

It should not be necessary to be adventurous or open-minded, even if we agree those are fine attributes. I think people who are cautious and narrow with their listening habits may still have very interesting opinions, positive or negative. And I welcome
reading them.

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In article <aa62dc7e-9098-4e60-b3b0-f2f0208c2e4cn@googlegroups.com>, mswd...@gmail.com <mswdesign@gmail.com> wrote:

Personally, I welcome the thoughts of anyone who wants to post
even if they are in the grips of depression, and you should, too.

I sympathize, but frankly, it's not my responsibility, and it's not
the responsibility of the general public, to deal with someone's
mental health issues online. People get paid to do that for a
reason.

I mean, more posts about music can be more posts about music. Except
when ultra-aggressive posts about music drive other people away who
would otherwise post about music. And that definitely happens here.
It's not only (or even mainly) the tone either, but the quantity.

In other words, we need not just more posts about music, but more
opinions about music -- not only more of the same opinion. That
is the real issue.

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On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 1:26:32 AM UTC+1, Todd M. McComb wrote:

In article <aa62dc7e-9098-4e60...@googlegroups.com>,
mswd...@gmail.com <mswd...@gmail.com> wrote:

Personally, I welcome the thoughts of anyone who wants to post
even if they are in the grips of depression, and you should, too.

I sympathize, but frankly, it's not my responsibility, and it's not
the responsibility of the general public, to deal with someone's
mental health issues online.

Also, the thing is, by creating this online all caps Superman persona this guy prolongs and exacerbates his mental problems. We're not helping these guys by listening and applauding.
The internet is not the solution; it's the problem. One of the reasons we have vastly more people with mental health problems today than previously, and the problems are getting more serious, is the internet.
I'm speaking from experience, I have seen this happen, and the pandemic lockdowns provided a massive boost to these problems. People get isolated; they start living in a fantasy world; they become these huge experts (in their minds) and they're going to
tell it like it is. The lockdowns are over, fortunately, but the soldiers are still in the trenches fighting, if I may mix my metaphors. Normal has not resumed.

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In article <fd8a8b28-7715-4423-a839-f727079ef208n@googlegroups.com>,
Herman <herstx@yahoo.com> wrote:

One of the reasons we have vastly more people with mental health
problems today than previously, and the problems are getting more
serious, is the internet.

Yes. It might be the main reason.

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 7:26:32 PM UTC-5, Todd M. McComb wrote:

I sympathize, but frankly, it's not my responsibility, and it's not
the responsibility of the general public, to deal with someone's
mental health issues online.

You're missing the point. When is it appropriate to accuse someone you don't like of being a "deeply unhappy person"? In this case there's damn near zero evidence to support the claim. The judgment is offered as proof that Dan's posts are not worth
sharing, or are corrupted by some sort of character flaw. That's an opinion that would be vile even if it were true, and there's nothing on display to show that it is. Dan's strong opinions are simply not evidence on their own of misery or of any other
character flaw. Go ahead and say "I don't like people who post strong opinions in indelicate language" and you have an irrefutable, sincere statement that is worth considering. Attack the mental bearing of someone else (while complaining about the
intemperate language of that person, as well)? That's wrong. And your response takes the suggestion at face value, which is just foolish.

In other words, we need not just more posts about music, but more
opinions about music -- not only more of the same opinion. That
is the real issue.

This absolutely is the real issue. Personally, I would like the ability to read Dan's posts about music without them being hijacked by Herman constantly screaming "racist!" at the first opportunity. I feel the same about most of the political concerns
that people offer here. Complaining about Dan's manners and topics to his face, as if he will finally take note and behave the way people want is a grotesque aim when anyone here can can pay a bit of money to have the means to killfile him. You don't
like Dan, then ignore Dan, period. People need to take personal responsibility for their own happiness, and if someone is an asshole that they don't want to deal with, take the steps to purge that pollution from their lives. Engaging in personal attacks
thread after thread after thread is nothing but poison.

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 8:43:41 PM UTC-5, Herman wrote:

Also, the thing is, by creating this online all caps Superman persona this guy prolongs and exacerbates his mental problems.

I can't fathom what goes through your head or anyone else's here to decide to see someone Dan's posting activities as a demonstration of "mental problems." I don't see any evidence of it. Over 30 years, nothing has changed except volume (and perhaps in
both ways). Me, I look at Dan and think "he's probably got more time on his hands than in the past," but it sure appears to me that he's just being himself and having fun. And if anyone here can't handle that, they need to take responsibility for
themselves.

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In article <4f08a627-d6cf-4583-8839-538b4d97afe3n@googlegroups.com>, mswd...@gmail.com <mswdesign@gmail.com> wrote:

Engaging in personal attacks thread after thread after thread is
nothing but poison.

Although I agree with many of Herman's observations, I also agree
that many of his recent posts have fallen into the "repetitive &
unhelpful" category. Some are even in the "prods more bad behavior
category." (Which some call co-dependence.)

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In article <618d59f3-bf86-49cf-8590-8273ef44c21bn@googlegroups.com>, mswd...@gmail.com <mswdesign@gmail.com> wrote:

... he's just being himself and having fun. And if anyone here
can't handle that, they need to take responsibility for themselves.

And um, I also cannot accept a suggestion that "being oneself and
having fun" is a justification without limits.... (I think this
is really obvious, and probably not what you meant, but it still
seems worth saying.)

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 9:52:20 PM UTC-5, Todd M. McComb wrote:

In article <618d59f3-bf86-49cf...@googlegroups.com>,
mswd...@gmail.com <mswd...@gmail.com> wrote:

... he's just being himself and having fun. And if anyone here
can't handle that, they need to take responsibility for themselves.

And um, I also cannot accept a suggestion that "being oneself and
having fun" is a justification without limits.... (I think this
is really obvious, and probably not what you meant, but it still
seems worth saying.)

Yes, good point. "Having fun" should even suggest casual thoughtlessness.

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Herman schrieb am Mittwoch, 15. März 2023 um 07:53:04 UTC+1:

On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 3:21:21 AM UTC+1, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 8:43:41 PM UTC-5, Herman wrote:

Also, the thing is, by creating this online all caps Superman persona this guy prolongs and exacerbates his mental problems.

I can't fathom what goes through your head or anyone else's here to decide to see someone Dan's posting activities as a demonstration of "mental problems." I don't see any evidence of it. Over 30 years, nothing has changed except volume (and perhaps

in both ways). Me, I look at Dan and think "he's probably got more time on his hands than in the past," but it sure appears to me that he's just being himself and having fun. And if anyone here can't handle that, they need to take responsibility for
themselves.

So, just to be repetitive and unhelpful.... when DK starts a campaign against me, calling me an antisemite (because I mentioned Isabelle Faust as a good violinist) and starting the whole brainfucked imbecile thing I should just say that's having fun?
You haven't noticed the good contributors leaving RMCR because of all the all caps yelling and abuse?
I have noticed abt myself that I refrain from naming particular performers because the hate campaigns.

Get a life

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On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 3:21:21 AM UTC+1, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 8:43:41 PM UTC-5, Herman wrote:

Also, the thing is, by creating this online all caps Superman persona this guy prolongs and exacerbates his mental problems.

I can't fathom what goes through your head or anyone else's here to decide to see someone Dan's posting activities as a demonstration of "mental problems." I don't see any evidence of it. Over 30 years, nothing has changed except volume (and perhaps in

both ways). Me, I look at Dan and think "he's probably got more time on his hands than in the past," but it sure appears to me that he's just being himself and having fun. And if anyone here can't handle that, they need to take responsibility for
themselves.

So, just to be repetitive and unhelpful.... when DK starts a campaign against me, calling me an antisemite (because I mentioned Isabelle Faust as a good violinist) and starting the whole brainfucked imbecile thing I should just say that's having fun?
You haven't noticed the good contributors leaving RMCR because of all the all caps yelling and abuse?
I have noticed abt myself that I refrain from naming particular performers because the hate campaigns.

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On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 1:53:04 AM UTC-5, Herman wrote:

So, just to be repetitive and unhelpful.... when DK starts a campaign against me, calling me an antisemite (because I mentioned Isabelle Faust as a good violinist) and starting the whole brainfucked imbecile thing I should just say that's having fun?

No doubt Dan has been an ass towards you, but your own posting habits here are the definition of a campaign. Seriously, what do you want? You're not getting an apology, and you won't dissuade him from posting. WHAT DO YOU WANT?

You haven't noticed the good contributors leaving RMCR because of all the all caps yelling and abuse?

Try as you might, you are an inadequate representative of those who are no longer here. I have zero confidence that the reasons you name aren't simply the reasons you prefer and nothing more. I am also astounded that you continue to talk about "yelling
and abuse" when you've been dishing it out every chance you get. Stop being a hypocrite and I'll respect your point of view more.

I have noticed abt myself that I refrain from naming particular performers because the hate campaigns.

I don't give a fig how you post your opinions provided they are about music, your own thoughts and formulated in a sincere manner. That's what provides value here. Ignore Dan, forget about the asshole and we all win.

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On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 8:21:41 AM UTC+1, Herman wrote:

On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 5:22:43 AM UTC+1, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 1:53:04 AM UTC-5, Herman wrote:

So, just to be repetitive and unhelpful.... when DK starts a campaign against me, calling me an antisemite (because I mentioned Isabelle Faust as a good violinist) and starting the whole brainfucked imbecile thing I should just say that's having

fun?

No doubt Dan has been an ass towards you, but your own posting habits here are the definition of a campaign. Seriously, what do you want? You're not getting an apology, and you won't dissuade him from posting. WHAT DO YOU WANT?

You haven't noticed the good contributors leaving RMCR because of all the all caps yelling and abuse?

It's not that hard to figure out. Sometimes people just say what they mean. I would like the yelling and the cursing to stop, and the funny-unfunny way posters such as me and melmoth and a couple others are being sought out for ethnic reasons. Or even

because they like Arrau, as in the case of Melmoth.

For instance, I'm keeping to myself (I do have IRL stuff to do, unlike many retirement-age RMCRers) and next time I look DK has created another topic especially for me.
It's all about making people feel uncomfortable here, so they'll leave, and leave more room for DK.
I don't believe in 'apologies' and certiianly not from a 100 percent insincere person. I, and many others would like the hate cursing and the all caps yelling to stop. I don't know whether you noticed, but there are only two posters who do this.

Otherwise RMCR is a pretty quiet group.

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In article <bbff8f59-23bc-46c8-bac1-aafbcdaba8f1n@googlegroups.com>,
Herman <herstx@yahoo.com> wrote:

It's not a racist forum for promoting ethnic hatred. There are plenty of >those, and Dan and Marc could seek those out.

The latter imitates the former. As the former presents a daily
clinic in online obnoxiousness, and that's what the latter is all
about. I'd've certainly liked to think the former would take note
of how that all went down, but I guess not. As far as actual impact
though, the sort of posters who consequently hang around, versus
the sort who don't, has been quite glaring....

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On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 5:22:43 AM UTC+1, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 1:53:04 AM UTC-5, Herman wrote:

So, just to be repetitive and unhelpful.... when DK starts a campaign against me, calling me an antisemite (because I mentioned Isabelle Faust as a good violinist) and starting the whole brainfucked imbecile thing I should just say that's having fun?

No doubt Dan has been an ass towards you, but your own posting habits here are the definition of a campaign. Seriously, what do you want? You're not getting an apology, and you won't dissuade him from posting. WHAT DO YOU WANT?

You haven't noticed the good contributors leaving RMCR because of all the all caps yelling and abuse?

It's not that hard to figure out. Sometimes people just say what they mean. I would like the yelling and the cursing to stop, and the funny-unfunny way posters such as me and melmoth and a couple others are being sought out for ethnic reasons. Or even
because they like Arrau, as in the case of Melmoth.
For instance, I'm keeping to myself (I do have IRL stuff to do, unlike many retirement-age RMCRers) and next time I look DK has created another topic especially for me.
It's all about making people feel uncomfortable here, so they'll leave, and leave more room for DK.
I don't believe in 'apologies' and certiianly not from a 100 percent insincere person. I, and many others would like the hate cursing and the all caps yelling to stop. I don't know whether you noticed, but there are only two posters who do this.
Otherwise RMCR is a pretty quiet group.

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On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 8:21:41 AM UTC+1, Herman wrote:

For instance, I'm keeping to myself (I do have IRL stuff to do, unlike many retirement-age RMCRers) and next time I look DK has created another topic especially for me.
It's all about making people feel uncomfortable here, so they'll leave, and leave more room for DK.

A two-seconds glance shows that this topic posted especially for me is yet another racist stereotyping very long youtube link for the intellectually impaired.

Anybody else would write this in all caps, but I don't.

This is a music group. About classical music.

It's not a racist forum for promoting ethnic hatred. There are plenty of those, and Dan and Marc could seek those out.

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On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 12:21:41 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:

I'm keeping to myself (I do have IRL stuff to
do, unlike many retirement-age RMCRers)

Looks like a healthy way to cope with one's
own incompetence.

and next time I look DK has created another
topic especially for me.

Can you provide a link?

It's all about making people feel uncomfortable

One can always wrap oneself in a comforter.

here, so they'll leave, and leave more room for DK.

What an idea! First, there are no limits to "room"
in a vacuum. No one is preventing you or anyone
else from posting as much as you like, 10x, 100x
or even 1000x more than anyone else. And if one
is having trouble finding topics to write about, one
can always pull a Melmoth or an Oscar and quote
some thousand line article from the local papers.

Second, if one follows your line of reasoning, there
can be no conceivable benefit to me from having
people "leave" -- there would not be anyone left
to argue with. ;-)

dk

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On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 12:31:17 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:

This is a music group. About classical music.

About which you post next to nothing.
Your posts are usually reactions to
other people's posts.

It's not a racist forum for promoting ethnic hatred.

Can you provide any concrete examples?

Here's one as an example:

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.classical.recordings/c/DiimAoQ-37g/m/g09AG6gNCwAJ


dk

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Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 16. März 2023 um 10:02:18 UTC+1:

On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 12:31:17 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:

This is a music group. About classical music.

About which you post next to nothing.
Your posts are usually reactions to
other people's posts.

It's not a racist forum for promoting ethnic hatred.

Can you provide any concrete examples?

Here's one as an example:

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.classical.recordings/c/DiimAoQ-37g/m/g09AG6gNCwAJ

dk

I do not think this is racist. This is just him imagining things about you.

This here is racist - it seems as if he is projecting here btw; and what Henk was asking is also racist:

Herman schrieb am Mittwoch, 27. Oktober 2021 um 20:20:12 UTC+2:

On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 6:06:45 PM UTC+2, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

Is stereotyping of women an Asian thing?

As weak, vulnerable and innately suffering? I think so.
It's very much a thing in popular culture.

From: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.classical.recordings/c/ppaHtXhvrUk/m/M6Kt0Vo5AwAJ

I wonder if Herman ever spent some time in asia. And if so in which countries. He seems to have no idea about asian cultures and how they differ from each other at all.

How are asians (all the asians?!) stereotyping women as weak, vulnerable and innately suffering? Can Herman back this up?

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On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 2:26:44 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:

I wonder if Herman ever spent some
time in asia. And if so in which countries.

Many people "spend time" touring in Asia
without ever learning anything about the
locals and their cultures. What matters
is not "spending time", but learning
about people.

He seems to have no idea about asian
cultures and how they differ from each
other at all.

How are asians (all the asians?!) stereotyping
women as weak, vulnerable and innately suffering?

Non-sense.

Can Herman back this up?

Are you inviting him to pontificate about
topics he knows nothing about?

dk

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Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 16. März 2023 um 13:25:16 UTC+1:

On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 2:26:44 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:

I wonder if Herman ever spent some
time in asia. And if so in which countries.

Many people "spend time" touring in Asia
without ever learning anything about the
locals and their cultures. What matters
is not "spending time", but learning
about people.

This should go without saying.

I did not only spend time with Asians, but I actually considered myself more or less Korean the first 6 years of my life. Went to a Korean kindergarden, only had Korean friends, spoke German only with my parents, wanted to go to a Korean school with my
Korean friends etc.

He seems to have no idea about asian
cultures and how they differ from each
other at all.

How are asians (all the asians?!) stereotyping
women as weak, vulnerable and innately suffering?

Non-sense.

Racist nonsense to be more precise.

Can Herman back this up?

Are you inviting him to pontificate about
topics he knows nothing about?

Well, yes, it makes me laugh.

dk

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 10:26:40 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:

Dan Koren schrieb am Dienstag, 14. März 2023 um 13:50:09 UTC+1:

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 5:45:35 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:

Dan Koren schrieb am Dienstag, 14. März 2023 um 12:33:19 UTC+1:

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 3:24:32 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:

I almost spit out my tea.

My apologies. Would you please be so
kind as to share what kind of tea it was?

Recently switched from Green Tea to Earl Grey.

You should try Oolong.

Looks good, I'll try it out.

Your tea education starts here:

https://twgtea.com/teas

Email me for detailed guidance.

dk

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On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 3:00:58 PM UTC-7, Dan Koren wrote:

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 10:26:40 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:

Dan Koren schrieb am Dienstag, 14. März 2023 um 13:50:09 UTC+1:

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 5:45:35 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:

Dan Koren schrieb am Dienstag, 14. März 2023 um 12:33:19 UTC+1:

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 3:24:32 AM UTC-7, Marc S wrote:

I almost spit out my tea.

My apologies. Would you please be so
kind as to share what kind of tea it was?

Recently switched from Green Tea to Earl Grey.

You should try Oolong.

Looks good, I'll try it out.

Your tea education starts here:

https://twgtea.com/teas

Email me for detailed guidance.

Here are your closest stores:

https://twgtea.com/locations/middle-east-europe/germany

I never shopped in a TWG store in Germany
and have no idea how they compare to their
flagship stores in Singapore and Shnaghai
that carry literally hundreds of different tea
varieties.

dk

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