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  • Recommendations sought for Mendelssohn violin concerti

    From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 10 04:27:43 2023
    TIA

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Al Eisner on Fri Mar 10 18:48:45 2023
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 6:41:39 PM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Mar 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    See the recent Szigeti thread (early 1930's
    with Beecham). Although it would not
    surprise me if Szigeti is not to your taste.

    I actually like Szigeti. The main problem is
    that most of his recordings have terrible
    sound quality.

    The cluster of violinists I do not like are
    the "smooth fiddlers", e.g. Grumiaux,
    Ferras, Heifetz, etc.. or the whiny
    meowy ones, like Hadelich.

    I also do not like fiddlers who have a
    nasal timbre, e.g. La Mutter. To my
    ears, the golden standards are
    Szeryng, Milstein, Haendel,
    the J-band and the K-band.

    dk

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  • From Al Eisner@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Fri Mar 10 18:41:31 2023
    On Fri, 10 Mar 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    TIA

    See the recent Szigeti thread (early 1930's with Beecham). Although
    it would not surprise me if Szigeti is not to your taste.

    (For the familiar concerto.)
    --
    Al Eisner

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  • From Lawrence Kart@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Sat Mar 11 06:41:20 2023
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 8:48:48 PM UTC-6, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 6:41:39 PM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Mar 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    See the recent Szigeti thread (early 1930's
    with Beecham). Although it would not
    surprise me if Szigeti is not to your taste.
    I actually like Szigeti. The main problem is
    that most of his recordings have terrible
    sound quality.

    The cluster of violinists I do not like are
    the "smooth fiddlers", e.g. Grumiaux,
    Ferras, Heifetz, etc.. or the whiny
    meowy ones, like Hadelich.

    I also do not like fiddlers who have a
    nasal timbre, e.g. La Mutter. To my
    ears, the golden standards are
    Szeryng, Milstein, Haendel,
    the J-band and the K-band.

    dk
    Kogan?

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  • From Lawrence Kart@21:1/5 to Lawrence Kart on Sat Mar 11 06:42:56 2023
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 8:41:22 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Kart wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 8:48:48 PM UTC-6, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 6:41:39 PM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Mar 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    See the recent Szigeti thread (early 1930's
    with Beecham). Although it would not
    surprise me if Szigeti is not to your taste.
    I actually like Szigeti. The main problem is
    that most of his recordings have terrible
    sound quality.

    The cluster of violinists I do not like are
    the "smooth fiddlers", e.g. Grumiaux,
    Ferras, Heifetz, etc.. or the whiny
    meowy ones, like Hadelich.

    I also do not like fiddlers who have a
    nasal timbre, e.g. La Mutter. To my
    ears, the golden standards are
    Szeryng, Milstein, Haendel,
    the J-band and the K-band.

    dk
    Kogan?

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  • From M&S Frost@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Sat Mar 11 07:21:53 2023
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:27:46 AM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:
    TIA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I5aE3ZtIKE&t=1654s

    from Dave Hurwitz

    MIFrost

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  • From M&S Frost@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Sat Mar 11 07:16:04 2023
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:27:46 AM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:
    TIA

    Tetzlaff

    MIFrost

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 11 16:21:10 2023
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 7:21:56 AM UTC-8, M&S Frost wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:27:46 AM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:
    TIA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I5aE3ZtIKE&t=1654s

    from Dave Hurwitz

    At that time mark he talks about the Schumann VC.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 11 16:23:37 2023
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 7:16:06 AM UTC-8, M&S Frost wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:27:46 AM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:
    TIA

    Tetzlaff

    Thanks. Will try.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Lawrence Kart on Sat Mar 11 16:29:08 2023
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 6:41:22 AM UTC-8, Lawrence Kart wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 8:48:48 PM UTC-6, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 6:41:39 PM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Mar 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    See the recent Szigeti thread (early 1930's
    with Beecham). Although it would not
    surprise me if Szigeti is not to your taste.
    I actually like Szigeti. The main problem is
    that most of his recordings have terrible
    sound quality.

    The cluster of violinists I do not like are
    the "smooth fiddlers", e.g. Grumiaux,
    Ferras, Heifetz, etc.. or the whiny
    meowy ones, like Hadelich.

    I also do not like fiddlers who have a
    nasal timbre, e.g. La Mutter. To my
    ears, the golden standards are
    Szeryng, Milstein, Haendel,
    the J-band and the K-band.

    Kogan?

    I heard Kogan live many years ago. I
    didn't like it at the time. Kogan has a
    somewhat nasal timbre which does
    not resonate with my ears. I should
    listen again and see if a recording
    sounds better to my current pair of
    ears.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Lawrence Kart on Sat Mar 11 17:10:24 2023
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 6:41:22 AM UTC-8, Lawrence Kart wrote:

    I also do not like fiddlers who have a
    nasal timbre, e.g. La Mutter. To my
    ears, the golden standards are
    Szeryng, Milstein, Haendel,
    the J-band and the K-band.

    Kogan?

    Does Kogan belong to the
    J-band, the K-band, or both?
    I ask the question ...... ;-)

    dk

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 12 13:21:14 2023
    On 3/11/2023 10:16 AM, M&S Frost wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:27:46 AM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:
    TIA

    Tetzlaff

    MIFrost


    Several Amazon reviewers (I know, I know) complain that the orchestra overpowers the soloist.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Sun Mar 12 16:36:58 2023
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 10:21:28 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/11/2023 10:16 AM, M&S Frost wrote:

    Tetzlaff

    Several Amazon reviewers (I know, I know) complain
    that the orchestra overpowers the soloist.

    Maybe the soloist underpowers the orchestra?

    dk

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Sun Mar 12 20:52:58 2023
    On 3/12/2023 7:36 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 10:21:28 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/11/2023 10:16 AM, M&S Frost wrote:

    Tetzlaff

    Several Amazon reviewers (I know, I know) complain
    that the orchestra overpowers the soloist.

    Maybe the soloist underpowers the orchestra?

    dk

    No way to tell, I suppose.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Lawrence Kart on Sun Mar 12 18:57:19 2023
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 6:41:22 AM UTC-8, Lawrence Kart wrote:

    Kogan?

    This is perfect!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB1zumNjqZ0

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Sun Mar 12 18:54:12 2023
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 10:21:28 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/11/2023 10:16 AM, M&S Frost wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:27:46 AM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:

    Tetzlaff

    Several Amazon reviewers (I know, I know)
    complain that the orchestra overpowers
    the soloist.

    Is this the performance you are referring to?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuH9ic2-soU

    Sounds cold and mechanical to my ears.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Sun Mar 12 18:27:04 2023
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 5:53:09 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/12/2023 7:36 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 10:21:28 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/11/2023 10:16 AM, M&S Frost wrote:

    Tetzlaff

    Several Amazon reviewers (I know, I know) complain
    that the orchestra overpowers the soloist.

    Maybe the soloist underpowers the orchestra?

    No way to tell, I suppose.

    There is a scientific way to tell.

    First, separate the factors. Test Mr. Tetzlaff
    and the orchestra separately in the same hall.

    Vary power levels and measure how the fiddler's
    output changes as voltage increases. Connect
    Mr. Tetzlaff to various DC and AC sources from
    0V to 240V in 12V steps. Measure and record
    the ouput. Repeat the same steps with the
    conductor and the orchestra. Voilà!

    dk

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Mon Mar 13 01:36:13 2023
    On 3/12/2023 9:27 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 5:53:09 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/12/2023 7:36 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 10:21:28 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/11/2023 10:16 AM, M&S Frost wrote:

    Tetzlaff

    Several Amazon reviewers (I know, I know) complain
    that the orchestra overpowers the soloist.

    Maybe the soloist underpowers the orchestra?

    No way to tell, I suppose.

    There is a scientific way to tell.

    First, separate the factors. Test Mr. Tetzlaff
    and the orchestra separately in the same hall.

    Vary power levels and measure how the fiddler's
    output changes as voltage increases. Connect
    Mr. Tetzlaff to various DC and AC sources from
    0V to 240V in 12V steps. Measure and record
    the ouput. Repeat the same steps with the
    conductor and the orchestra. Voilà!

    dk



    I'll get right on it.

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Mon Mar 13 01:38:51 2023
    On 3/12/2023 9:54 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 10:21:28 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/11/2023 10:16 AM, M&S Frost wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:27:46 AM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:

    Tetzlaff

    Several Amazon reviewers (I know, I know)
    complain that the orchestra overpowers
    the soloist.

    Is this the performance you are referring to?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuH9ic2-soU


    No. This one:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nveHpMgmPHY

    Sounds cold and mechanical to my ears.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Herman on Mon Mar 13 01:34:13 2023
    On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 1:31:34 AM UTC-7, Herman wrote:
    On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 1:53:09 AM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/12/2023 7:36 PM, Dan Koren wrote:

    Maybe the soloist underpowers the orchestra?

    No way to tell, I suppose.

    Just check out Tetzlaff's first name and
    you'll see why he can't play acc. to DK.

    When/where did I say he could not play?

    FYI Tetzlaff is a fine, interesting violinist,
    who doesn't limit himself to the standard
    rep.

    He is a fine, competent violinist. Nothing
    more. His Mendelssohn VC is no better
    than average.

    dk

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Mon Mar 13 01:31:31 2023
    On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 1:53:09 AM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/12/2023 7:36 PM, Dan Koren wrote:


    Maybe the soloist underpowers the orchestra?

    dk
    No way to tell, I suppose.

    Just check out Tetzlaff's first name and you'll see why he can't play acc. to DK.

    FYI Tetzlaff is a fine, interesting violinist, who doesn't limit himself to the standard rep.

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  • From AB@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Mon Mar 13 10:33:20 2023
    On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 1:39:06 AM UTC-4, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/12/2023 9:54 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 10:21:28 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/11/2023 10:16 AM, M&S Frost wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:27:46 AM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:

    Tetzlaff

    Several Amazon reviewers (I know, I know)
    complain that the orchestra overpowers
    the soloist.

    Is this the performance you are referring to?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuH9ic2-soU

    No. This one:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nveHpMgmPHY
    Sounds cold and mechanical to my ears.

    dk

    too fast, lacks sensitivity, tone not too nice

    AB

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