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  • Requesting Mandryka's review

    From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 4 01:35:35 2023
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n3eOAVepNpA8cWBMA5Id5z0l1Z9o_dELs

    Thanks!

    dk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Sat Mar 4 05:25:45 2023
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:35:37 AM UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n3eOAVepNpA8cWBMA5Id5z0l1Z9o_dELs

    Thanks!

    dk
    I listened to 379/i. For me it's too assertive and dramatic -- like they're putting themselves, their virtuosity, to the fore, and playing up the contrasts in the music. The opposite of modest small scale music making. I felt I was confronted with the
    instrumental analogue of a pair of divas singing a duet, or a pair of ham actors. Very good hams and prima donnas probably.

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Sat Mar 4 05:27:11 2023
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 1:25:47 PM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:35:37 AM UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n3eOAVepNpA8cWBMA5Id5z0l1Z9o_dELs

    Thanks!

    dk
    I listened to 379/i. For me it's too assertive and dramatic -- like they're putting themselves, their virtuosity, to the fore, and playing up the contrasts in the music. The opposite of modest small scale music making. I felt I was confronted with the
    instrumental analogue of a pair of divas singing a duet, or a pair of ham actors. Very good hams and prima donnas probably.

    Now listening to Richter/Kagan. That's a relief.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Sat Mar 4 09:03:33 2023
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 5:25:47 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:35:37 AM UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n3eOAVepNpA8cWBMA5Id5z0l1Z9o_dELs

    Thanks!

    I listened to 379/i. For me it's too assertive and dramatic --
    like they're putting themselves, their virtuosity, to the fore,
    and playing up the contrasts in the music. The opposite of
    modest small scale music making. I felt I was confronted
    with the instrumental analogue of a pair of divas singing a
    duet, or a pair of ham actors. Very good hams and prima
    donnas probably.

    Thanks! Who would you recommend in this repertoire?

    dk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Sat Mar 4 10:14:42 2023
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 5:03:36 PM UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 5:25:47 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:35:37 AM UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n3eOAVepNpA8cWBMA5Id5z0l1Z9o_dELs

    Thanks!

    I listened to 379/i. For me it's too assertive and dramatic --
    like they're putting themselves, their virtuosity, to the fore,
    and playing up the contrasts in the music. The opposite of
    modest small scale music making. I felt I was confronted
    with the instrumental analogue of a pair of divas singing a
    duet, or a pair of ham actors. Very good hams and prima
    donnas probably.
    Thanks! Who would you recommend in this repertoire?

    dk

    For a long time I would would listen to Mozart sonatas each morning, to start the day. I remember I enjoyed Kaja Danczowska with Kristian Zimerman, and György Pauk with Peter Frankl.

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Sat Mar 4 10:29:27 2023
    Mandryka schrieb am Samstag, 4. März 2023 um 19:14:45 UTC+1:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 5:03:36 PM UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 5:25:47 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:35:37 AM UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n3eOAVepNpA8cWBMA5Id5z0l1Z9o_dELs

    Thanks!

    I listened to 379/i. For me it's too assertive and dramatic --
    like they're putting themselves, their virtuosity, to the fore,
    and playing up the contrasts in the music. The opposite of
    modest small scale music making. I felt I was confronted
    with the instrumental analogue of a pair of divas singing a
    duet, or a pair of ham actors. Very good hams and prima
    donnas probably.
    Thanks! Who would you recommend in this repertoire?

    dk
    For a long time I would would listen to Mozart sonatas each morning, to start the day. I remember I enjoyed Kaja Danczowska with Kristian Zimerman, and György Pauk with Peter Frankl.

    I do not like Frankl and Pauk and I can't imagine I like the other two you mentioned - Zimerman. Richter/Kagan as you mentioned are surely better. I'm actually thinking about purchasing it now. I knew about his recordings with Kagan, but I didn't listen
    to them in a long time. Really can't think of anyone being better than Richter/Kagan here.

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Marc S on Sat Mar 4 10:30:51 2023
    Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 4. März 2023 um 19:29:29 UTC+1:
    Mandryka schrieb am Samstag, 4. März 2023 um 19:14:45 UTC+1:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 5:03:36 PM UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 5:25:47 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:35:37 AM UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n3eOAVepNpA8cWBMA5Id5z0l1Z9o_dELs

    Thanks!

    I listened to 379/i. For me it's too assertive and dramatic --
    like they're putting themselves, their virtuosity, to the fore,
    and playing up the contrasts in the music. The opposite of
    modest small scale music making. I felt I was confronted
    with the instrumental analogue of a pair of divas singing a
    duet, or a pair of ham actors. Very good hams and prima
    donnas probably.
    Thanks! Who would you recommend in this repertoire?

    dk
    For a long time I would would listen to Mozart sonatas each morning, to start the day. I remember I enjoyed Kaja Danczowska with Kristian Zimerman, and György Pauk with Peter Frankl.
    I do not like Frankl and Pauk and I can't imagine I like the other two you mentioned - Zimerman. Richter/Kagan as you mentioned are surely better. I'm actually thinking about purchasing it now. I knew about his recordings with Kagan, but I didn't
    listen to them in a long time. Really can't think of anyone being better than Richter/Kagan here.

    Question is if I need them... surely not as much as Mozart's opera recordings; I will need to spend some more time with them.

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Marc S on Sat Mar 4 10:39:50 2023
    Marc S schrieb am Samstag, 4. März 2023 um 19:29:29 UTC+1:
    Mandryka schrieb am Samstag, 4. März 2023 um 19:14:45 UTC+1:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 5:03:36 PM UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 5:25:47 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:35:37 AM UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n3eOAVepNpA8cWBMA5Id5z0l1Z9o_dELs

    Thanks!

    I listened to 379/i. For me it's too assertive and dramatic --
    like they're putting themselves, their virtuosity, to the fore,
    and playing up the contrasts in the music. The opposite of
    modest small scale music making. I felt I was confronted
    with the instrumental analogue of a pair of divas singing a
    duet, or a pair of ham actors. Very good hams and prima
    donnas probably.
    Thanks! Who would you recommend in this repertoire?

    dk
    For a long time I would would listen to Mozart sonatas each morning, to start the day. I remember I enjoyed Kaja Danczowska with Kristian Zimerman, and György Pauk with Peter Frankl.
    I do not like Frankl and Pauk and I can't imagine I like the other two you mentioned - Zimerman.

    *I do not know the violinist.

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 4 10:37:26 2023
    For Dan:

    Shoji featuring a member of the beaux farts trio aka faux arts trio:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WRvu0tzFQo

    Very boring, very sad... very bad...

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Marc S on Sat Mar 4 11:15:56 2023
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 10:37:29 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
    For Dan:

    Shoji featuring a member of the beaux farts trio aka faux arts trio:

    Actually Beaux Farts. I cannot stand Pressler.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WRvu0tzFQo

    Very boring, very sad... very bad...

    Quoting McDonald?

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Sat Mar 4 11:20:48 2023
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 11:15:59 AM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 10:37:29 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
    For Dan:

    Shoji featuring a member of the beaux farts trio aka faux arts trio:

    Actually Beaux Farts. I cannot stand Pressler.

    Faux Farts would probably also work.

    dk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 5 10:16:14 2023
    I think the Kagan/Richter Mozart recording on Live Classics is worth a listen - even though it’s maybe a bit short on gemütlichkeit.

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Sun Mar 5 11:33:16 2023
    Mandryka schrieb am Sonntag, 5. März 2023 um 19:16:16 UTC+1:
    I think the Kagan/Richter Mozart recording on Live Classics is worth a listen - even though it’s maybe a bit short on gemütlichkeit.

    I think yes, at times maybe, but it's still the recordign of this piece I like the most.

    The problem for me is rather his piano tone... it's always very thick and heavy in a way; very "wide". It always hindered me from truly enjoying his playing even when I liked his interpretations. In some of Mozart's Sonatas for violin and piano, and some
    Haydn pieces, some movements of Schubert pieces, also some Bach, I like him the most, but I still can't really enjoy him, because of his tone... I like Schnabel's, Gould's or Rubinstein's tone much more.

    I think Zimerman is lame in this piece btw.

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Sun Mar 5 11:35:03 2023
    Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 4. März 2023 um 20:15:59 UTC+1:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 10:37:29 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
    For Dan:

    Shoji featuring a member of the beaux farts trio aka faux arts trio:
    Actually Beaux Farts. I cannot stand Pressler.

    Me neither.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WRvu0tzFQo

    Very boring, very sad... very bad...
    Quoting McDonald?

    ?


    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Marc S on Sun Mar 5 13:40:09 2023
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 11:35:06 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 4. März 2023 um 20:15:59 UTC+1:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 10:37:29 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
    For Dan:

    Shoji featuring a member of the beaux farts trio aka faux arts trio:
    Actually Beaux Farts. I cannot stand Pressler.
    Me neither.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WRvu0tzFQo

    Very boring, very sad... very bad...
    Quoting McDonald?
    ?

    45

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 5 20:07:55 2023
    I tried to listen to Schnabel and Szigeti do k481 last night and I thought it was neither elegant nor refined nor delicate. I’ll stick with Dancowska and Zimerman in that sonata at least, they seem less coarse to me. .

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Sun Mar 5 20:53:02 2023
    Dan Koren schrieb am Sonntag, 5. März 2023 um 22:40:12 UTC+1:
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 11:35:06 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 4. März 2023 um 20:15:59 UTC+1:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 10:37:29 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
    For Dan:

    Shoji featuring a member of the beaux farts trio aka faux arts trio:
    Actually Beaux Farts. I cannot stand Pressler.
    Me neither.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WRvu0tzFQo

    Very boring, very sad... very bad...
    Quoting McDonald?
    ?
    45

    James Grover?

    I was just speaking out my thoughts, not quoting anyone.

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Sun Mar 5 20:50:27 2023
    Mandryka schrieb am Montag, 6. März 2023 um 05:07:58 UTC+1:
    I tried to listen to Schnabel and Szigeti do k481 last night and I thought it was neither elegant nor refined nor delicate. I’ll stick with Dancowska and Zimerman in that sonata at least, they seem less coarse to me. .

    I was talking about the tone generally, not specifically about the Mozart Sonatas for Violin and Piano.

    Schnabel - Mozart Rondo in A minor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP665A8iA8g

    Coarse sound? Neither elegant nor delicate?

    It's actually very difficult for me to describe why I don't like Richter's tone. Thick was certainly a wrong word to describe it because of multiple reasons. Just don't like his tone...

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 5 21:05:07 2023
    I just realized haha - I did not listen to Zimerman, but Zimmerman and Lonquich.

    Anyway from what I heard of Zimerman as of yet he seems to be very bad...

    See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8A-mR-jcCY -- Mozart 281

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Marc S on Sun Mar 5 22:26:44 2023
    Marc S schrieb am Montag, 6. März 2023 um 06:05:09 UTC+1:
    I just realized haha - I did not listen to Zimerman, but Zimmerman and Lonquich.

    Anyway from what I heard of Zimerman as of yet he seems to be very bad...

    See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8A-mR-jcCY -- Mozart 281

    The guy on the cover of the Zimmerman/Lonquich cd at the piano actually has the hair-style of Zimerman... I really thought it was him, haha.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Marc S on Mon Mar 6 04:38:11 2023
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 8:53:05 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Sonntag, 5. März 2023 um 22:40:12 UTC+1:
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 11:35:06 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
    Dan Koren schrieb am Samstag, 4. März 2023 um 20:15:59 UTC+1:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 10:37:29 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
    For Dan:

    Shoji featuring a member of the beaux farts trio aka faux arts trio:
    Actually Beaux Farts. I cannot stand Pressler.
    Me neither.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WRvu0tzFQo

    Very boring, very sad... very bad...
    Quoting McDonald?
    ?
    45
    James Grover?


    McDonald "Big Mac" Trump, aka POTUS 45.

    dk

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