Forum : rec.music.classical.recordings
Stats : du 01/02/2023 au 28/02/2023

***** Meilleurs contributeurs / quantité *****
num| nom | nb msg | taille | or. | % ----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
1 | Dan Koren | 350 | 753,527 | 92 | 33.65% xxxxxxxxxx
2 | Andrew Clarke | 80 | 226,020 | 10 | 7.69% xx
3 | Herman | 80 | 161,141 | 5 | 7.69% xx
4 | Frank Berger | 75 | 243,102 | 1 | 7.21% xx
5 | HT | 73 | 151,246 | 11 | 7.02% xx
6 | raymond....@gmai ... | 41 | 108,606 | 7 | 3.94% x
7 | Andy Evans | 34 | 73,031 | 4 | 3.27%
8 | Pluted Pup | 31 | 85,037 | 6 | 2.98%
9 | Mandryka | 26 | 54,967 | 8 | 2.50%
10 | Todd M. McComb | 24 | 35,735 | 0 | 2.31%
11 | MELMOTH | 22 | 55,596 | 7 | 2.12%
12 | Al Eisner | 20 | 44,690 | 1 | 1.92%
13 | AB | 18 | 38,193 | 1 | 1.73%
14 | Notsure01 | 17 | 42,626 | 2 | 1.63%
15 | number_six | 15 | 29,376 | 0 | 1.44%
16 | James Goodzeit | 10 | 26,996 | 3 | 0.96%
17 | mINE109 | 9 | 18,921 | 0 | 0.87%
18 | Paul Alsing | 8 | 17,516 | 2 | 0.77%
19 | JohnGavin | 8 | 20,235 | 1 | 0.77%
20 | mswd...@gmail.com | 8 | 17,139 | 1 | 0.77%
21 | Owen Hartnett | 8 | 18,932 | 0 | 0.77%
22 | Chris J. | 5 | 9,627 | 2 | 0.48%
23 | Lawrence Kart | 5 | 10,542 | 0 | 0.48%
24 | Roland van Gaalen | 4 | 8,366 | 3 | 0.38%
25 | Steven de Mena | 4 | 14,119 | 1 | 0.38%
26 | Oscar | 4 | 6,941 | 1 | 0.38%
27 | jagareco | 4 | 5,645 | 1 | 0.38%
28 | Bob Harper | 4 | 12,869 | 0 | 0.38%
29 | KimDenmark | 4 | 6,791 | 0 | 0.38%
30 | Gerard | 3 | 5,347 | 2 | 0.29%
31 | vhorowitz | 3 | 9,228 | 0 | 0.29%
32 | Graham | 3 | 5,451 | 0 | 0.29%
33 | Zerimar | 2 | 3,786 | 1 | 0.19%
34 | Craig Wallace | 2 | 3,543 | 1 | 0.19%
35 | Jerry | 2 | 7,043 | 0 | 0.19%
36 | drh8h | 2 | 6,018 | 0 | 0.19%
37 | Norman Schwartz | 2 | 5,745 | 0 | 0.19%
38 | Music Lover | 2 | 4,955 | 0 | 0.19%
39 | Peter | 2 | 4,890 | 0 | 0.19%
40 | Matt Richardson | 1 | 2,842 | 1 | 0.10%
41 | Joseph Li | 1 | 1,835 | 1 | 0.10%
42 | MickeyBoy | 1 | 1,449 | 1 | 0.10%
43 | Vitor Zerimar | 1 | 1,432 | 1 | 0.10%
44 | cellsmicrobes | 1 | 1,245 | 1 | 0.10%
45 | Richard Kaplan | 1 | 4,149 | 0 | 0.10%
46 | Martin Cohn | 1 | 2,938 | 0 | 0.10%
47 | peter gutmann | 1 | 2,754 | 0 | 0.10%
48 | Kevin W. | 1 | 2,673 | 0 | 0.10%
49 | Paul Goodman | 1 | 2,529 | 0 | 0.10%
50 | Ellie Kerry | 1 | 2,281 | 0 | 0.10%
51 | Kepler | 1 | 2,278 | 0 | 0.10%
52 | Just Annie | 1 | 2,203 | 0 | 0.10%
53 | Paolo Pesenti | 1 | 2,145 | 0 | 0.10%
54 | Théo Amon | 1 | 2,116 | 0 | 0.10%
55 | Flowsouth8 | 1 | 2,016 | 0 | 0.10%
56 | Tenant Hub Michi ... | 1 | 1,983 | 0 | 0.10%
57 | Kerrison | 1 | 1,901 | 0 | 0.10%
58 | randy wolfgang | 1 | 1,881 | 0 | 0.10%
59 | Lewis Perin | 1 | 1,846 | 0 | 0.10%
60 | Fymido Lenito | 1 | 1,747 | 0 | 0.10%
61 | Russ (not Martha) | 1 | 1,729 | 0 | 0.10%
62 | Matthew Silverstein | 1 | 1,616 | 0 | 0.10%
63 | Jonathan Ben Sch ... | 1 | 1,608 | 0 | 0.10%
64 | csembalo | 1 | 1,503 | 0 | 0.10%
65 | Arno Schuh | 1 | 1,345 | 0 | 0.10% ----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|


***** Meilleurs contributeurs / origine *****
num| nom | or. | nb msg | taille | % ----|----------------------|-----|--------|---------|------------------|
1 | Dan Koren | 92 | 350 | 753,527 | 51.40% xxxxxxxxxx
2 | HT | 11 | 73 | 151,246 | 6.15% x
3 | Andrew Clarke | 10 | 80 | 226,020 | 5.59% x
4 | Mandryka | 8 | 26 | 54,967 | 4.47%
5 | raymond....@gmai ... | 7 | 41 | 108,606 | 3.91%
6 | MELMOTH | 7 | 22 | 55,596 | 3.91%
7 | Pluted Pup | 6 | 31 | 85,037 | 3.35%
8 | Herman | 5 | 80 | 161,141 | 2.79%
9 | Andy Evans | 4 | 34 | 73,031 | 2.23%
10 | James Goodzeit | 3 | 10 | 26,996 | 1.68%
11 | Roland van Gaalen | 3 | 4 | 8,366 | 1.68%
12 | Notsure01 | 2 | 17 | 42,626 | 1.12%
13 | Paul Alsing | 2 | 8 | 17,516 | 1.12%
14 | Chris J. | 2 | 5 | 9,627 | 1.12%
15 | Gerard | 2 | 3 | 5,347 | 1.12%
16 | Frank Berger | 1 | 75 | 243,102 | 0.56%
17 | Al Eisner | 1 | 20 | 44,690 | 0.56%
18 | AB | 1 | 18 | 38,193 | 0.56%
19 | JohnGavin | 1 | 8 | 20,235 | 0.56%
20 | mswd...@gmail.com | 1 | 8 | 17,139 | 0.56%
21 | Steven de Mena | 1 | 4 | 14,119 | 0.56%
22 | Oscar | 1 | 4 | 6,941 | 0.56%
23 | jagareco | 1 | 4 | 5,645 | 0.56%
24 | Zerimar | 1 | 2 | 3,786 | 0.56%
25 | Craig Wallace | 1 | 2 | 3,543 | 0.56%
26 | Matt Richardson | 1 | 1 | 2,842 | 0.56%
27 | Joseph Li | 1 | 1 | 1,835 | 0.56%
28 | MickeyBoy | 1 | 1 | 1,449 | 0.56%
29 | Vitor Zerimar | 1 | 1 | 1,432 | 0.56%
30 | cellsmicrobes | 1 | 1 | 1,245 | 0.56% ----|----------------------|-----|--------|---------|------------------|


***** Meilleurs contributeurs / taille *****
num| nom | taille | nb msg | or. | % ----|----------------------|---------|--------|-----|------------------|
1 | Dan Koren | 753,527 | 350 | 92 | 31.30% xxxxxxxxxx
2 | Frank Berger | 243,102 | 75 | 1 | 10.10% xxx
3 | Andrew Clarke | 226,020 | 80 | 10 | 9.39% xx
4 | Herman | 161,141 | 80 | 5 | 6.69% xx
5 | HT | 151,246 | 73 | 11 | 6.28% xx
6 | raymond....@gmai ... | 108,606 | 41 | 7 | 4.51% x
7 | Pluted Pup | 85,037 | 31 | 6 | 3.53% x
8 | Andy Evans | 73,031 | 34 | 4 | 3.03%
9 | MELMOTH | 55,596 | 22 | 7 | 2.31%
10 | Mandryka | 54,967 | 26 | 8 | 2.28%
11 | Al Eisner | 44,690 | 20 | 1 | 1.86%
12 | Notsure01 | 42,626 | 17 | 2 | 1.77%
13 | AB | 38,193 | 18 | 1 | 1.59%
14 | Todd M. McComb | 35,735 | 24 | 0 | 1.48%
15 | number_six | 29,376 | 15 | 0 | 1.22%
16 | James Goodzeit | 26,996 | 10 | 3 | 1.12%
17 | JohnGavin | 20,235 | 8 | 1 | 0.84%
18 | Owen Hartnett | 18,932 | 8 | 0 | 0.79%
19 | mINE109 | 18,921 | 9 | 0 | 0.79%
20 | Paul Alsing | 17,516 | 8 | 2 | 0.73%
21 | mswd...@gmail.com | 17,139 | 8 | 1 | 0.71%
22 | Steven de Mena | 14,119 | 4 | 1 | 0.59%
23 | Bob Harper | 12,869 | 4 | 0 | 0.53%
24 | Lawrence Kart | 10,542 | 5 | 0 | 0.44%
25 | Chris J. | 9,627 | 5 | 2 | 0.40%
26 | vhorowitz | 9,228 | 3 | 0 | 0.38%
27 | Roland van Gaalen | 8,366 | 4 | 3 | 0.35%
28 | Jerry | 7,043 | 2 | 0 | 0.29%
29 | Oscar | 6,941 | 4 | 1 | 0.29%
30 | KimDenmark | 6,791 | 4 | 0 | 0.28%
31 | drh8h | 6,018 | 2 | 0 | 0.25%
32 | Norman Schwartz | 5,745 | 2 | 0 | 0.24%
33 | jagareco | 5,645 | 4 | 1 | 0.23%
34 | Graham | 5,451 | 3 | 0 | 0.23%
35 | Gerard | 5,347 | 3 | 2 | 0.22%
36 | Music Lover | 4,955 | 2 | 0 | 0.21%
37 | Peter | 4,890 | 2 | 0 | 0.20%
38 | Richard Kaplan | 4,149 | 1 | 0 | 0.17%
39 | Zerimar | 3,786 | 2 | 1 | 0.16%
40 | Craig Wallace | 3,543 | 2 | 1 | 0.15%
41 | Martin Cohn | 2,938 | 1 | 0 | 0.12%
42 | Matt Richardson | 2,842 | 1 | 1 | 0.12%
43 | peter gutmann | 2,754 | 1 | 0 | 0.11%
44 | Kevin W. | 2,673 | 1 | 0 | 0.11%
45 | Paul Goodman | 2,529 | 1 | 0 | 0.11%
46 | Ellie Kerry | 2,281 | 1 | 0 | 0.09%
47 | Kepler | 2,278 | 1 | 0 | 0.09%
48 | Just Annie | 2,203 | 1 | 0 | 0.09%
49 | Paolo Pesenti | 2,145 | 1 | 0 | 0.09%
50 | Théo Amon | 2,116 | 1 | 0 | 0.09%
51 | Flowsouth8 | 2,016 | 1 | 0 | 0.08%
52 | Tenant Hub Michi ... | 1,983 | 1 | 0 | 0.08%
53 | Kerrison | 1,901 | 1 | 0 | 0.08%
54 | randy wolfgang | 1,881 | 1 | 0 | 0.08%
55 | Lewis Perin | 1,846 | 1 | 0 | 0.08%
56 | Joseph Li | 1,835 | 1 | 1 | 0.08%
57 | Fymido Lenito | 1,747 | 1 | 0 | 0.07%
58 | Russ (not Martha) | 1,729 | 1 | 0 | 0.07%
59 | Matthew Silverstein | 1,616 | 1 | 0 | 0.07%
60 | Jonathan Ben Sch ... | 1,608 | 1 | 0 | 0.07%
61 | csembalo | 1,503 | 1 | 0 | 0.06%
62 | MickeyBoy | 1,449 | 1 | 1 | 0.06%
63 | Vitor Zerimar | 1,432 | 1 | 1 | 0.06%
64 | Arno Schuh | 1,345 | 1 | 0 | 0.06%
65 | cellsmicrobes | 1,245 | 1 | 1 | 0.05% ----|----------------------|---------|--------|-----|------------------|


***** Meilleurs jours *****
num| date | nb msg | taille | or. | % ----|------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
1 | 13/02/2023 | 84 | 201,369 | 12 | 8.08% xxxxxxxxxx
2 | 10/02/2023 | 58 | 133,372 | 6 | 5.58% xxxxxx
3 | 11/02/2023 | 58 | 127,307 | 4 | 5.58% xxxxxx
4 | 12/02/2023 | 53 | 117,759 | 12 | 5.10% xxxxxx
5 | 27/02/2023 | 52 | 117,222 | 8 | 5.00% xxxxxx
6 | 18/02/2023 | 50 | 109,606 | 6 | 4.81% xxxxx
7 | 14/02/2023 | 48 | 106,130 | 9 | 4.62% xxxxx
8 | 21/02/2023 | 47 | 95,601 | 9 | 4.52% xxxxx
9 | 16/02/2023 | 42 | 96,267 | 6 | 4.04% xxxxx
10 | 08/02/2023 | 41 | 110,601 | 6 | 3.94% xxxx
11 | 22/02/2023 | 38 | 78,354 | 11 | 3.65% xxxx
12 | 17/02/2023 | 38 | 74,904 | 8 | 3.65% xxxx
13 | 01/02/2023 | 37 | 125,929 | 6 | 3.56% xxxx
14 | 07/02/2023 | 35 | 76,831 | 8 | 3.37% xxxx
15 | 09/02/2023 | 35 | 75,939 | 6 | 3.37% xxxx
16 | 26/02/2023 | 33 | 69,164 | 6 | 3.17% xxx
17 | 24/02/2023 | 31 | 68,011 | 11 | 2.98% xxx
18 | 15/02/2023 | 30 | 54,690 | 6 | 2.88% xxx
19 | 05/02/2023 | 29 | 83,444 | 2 | 2.79% xxx
20 | 23/02/2023 | 27 | 61,716 | 4 | 2.60% xxx
21 | 25/02/2023 | 26 | 59,270 | 6 | 2.50% xxx
22 | 28/02/2023 | 24 | 53,540 | 4 | 2.31% xx
23 | 02/02/2023 | 23 | 55,536 | 5 | 2.21% xx
24 | 19/02/2023 | 23 | 57,706 | 3 | 2.21% xx
25 | 20/02/2023 | 22 | 44,471 | 8 | 2.12% xx
26 | 04/02/2023 | 21 | 57,249 | 2 | 2.02% xx
27 | 06/02/2023 | 19 | 50,169 | 3 | 1.83% xx
28 | 03/02/2023 | 16 | 45,425 | 2 | 1.54% x ----|------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|


***** Meilleurs jours *****
num| date | nb msg | taille | or. | % ----|------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
1 | Lundi | 177 | 413,231 | 31 | 17.02% xxxxxxxxxx
2 | Samedi | 155 | 353,432 | 18 | 14.90% xxxxxxxx
3 | Mardi | 154 | 332,102 | 30 | 14.81% xxxxxxxx
4 | Mercredi | 146 | 369,574 | 29 | 14.04% xxxxxxxx
5 | Vendredi | 143 | 321,712 | 27 | 13.75% xxxxxxxx
6 | Dimanche | 138 | 328,073 | 23 | 13.27% xxxxxxx
7 | Jeudi | 127 | 289,458 | 21 | 12.21% xxxxxxx ----|------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|


***** Sujet avec le plus de réponses *****
num| sujet | nb msg | taille | or. | % ----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
1 | Recording contra ... | 61 | 167,157 | 1 | 5.87% xxxxxxxxxx
2 | Tom Deacon R.I.P. | 57 | 159,341 | 1 | 5.48% xxxxxxxxx
3 | One of my favori ... | 38 | 90,582 | 1 | 3.65% xxxxxx
4 | [OT] How many Je ... | 37 | 106,077 | 1 | 3.56% xxxxxx
5 | rudolf serkin, r ... | 36 | 85,605 | 1 | 3.46% xxxxx
6 | Beethoven. Violi ... | 32 | 81,383 | 1 | 3.08% xxxxx
7 | Re: OT?: Is our ... | 28 | 89,838 | 1 | 2.69% xxxx
8 | CD shelving | 24 | 89,326 | 0 | 2.31% xxx
9 | Tchaikovsky's Vi ... | 22 | 59,095 | 1 | 2.12% xxx
10 | Currentzis a cha ... | 19 | 57,615 | 1 | 1.83% xxx
11 | Re: Recording(s) ... | 19 | 54,127 | 1 | 1.83% xxx
12 | Re: Now let's be ... | 19 | 40,694 | 1 | 1.83% xxx
13 | 257 CDs set of A ... | 17 | 36,595 | 1 | 1.63% xx
14 | OT: True nobility! | 16 | 38,811 | 1 | 1.54% xx
15 | (OT) RIP Burt Ba ... | 15 | 28,677 | 1 | 1.44% xx
16 | Re: WAYLTL - K563 | 14 | 33,709 | 1 | 1.35% xx
17 | Re: OT - 2023 Cl ... | 14 | 31,055 | 1 | 1.35% xx
18 | Disaster strikes ... | 14 | 27,536 | 1 | 1.35% xx
19 | How lowbrow can ... | 14 | 27,513 | 1 | 1.35% xx
20 | WAYLTL - Februar ... | 14 | 27,074 | 1 | 1.35% xx
21 | Re: The greatest ... | 13 | 31,177 | 1 | 1.25% xx
22 | Re: "Musically A ... | 13 | 30,243 | 1 | 1.25% xx
23 | More Pletnev magic | 12 | 24,664 | 1 | 1.15% x
24 | MARIA... | 12 | 22,457 | 1 | 1.15% x
25 | Tomomi Nishimoto | 11 | 20,780 | 1 | 1.06% x
26 | Celi about condu ... | 10 | 29,337 | 1 | 0.96% x
27 | Re: Great Pianis ... | 9 | 23,149 | 1 | 0.87% x
28 | You need maestro ... | 9 | 23,052 | 1 | 0.87% x
29 | FEMALE... | 9 | 17,998 | 1 | 0.87% x
30 | Liszt on Steroids | 9 | 15,491 | 1 | 0.87% x
31 | HELL AND DAMNATI ... | 9 | 17,356 | 0 | 0.87% x
32 | Joseph Villa Scr ... | 8 | 17,493 | 1 | 0.77% x
33 | How many Zen Bud ... | 8 | 13,405 | 1 | 0.77% x
34 | Márquez: Danzón ... | 7 | 16,659 | 1 | 0.67% x
35 | Chopin - Simonov | 7 | 14,087 | 1 | 0.67% x
36 | Re: RIP... | 7 | 13,721 | 1 | 0.67% x
37 | Saint Saens' Egy ... | 7 | 12,619 | 1 | 0.67% x
38 | Re: Does this al ... | 7 | 11,493 | 1 | 0.67% x
39 | MYSO... | 7 | 10,987 | 1 | 0.67% x
40 | CHIN... | 7 | 10,609 | 1 | 0.67% x
41 | Re: Characterist ... | 7 | 32,769 | 0 | 0.67% x
42 | Re: Stokowski's ... | 6 | 14,853 | 1 | 0.58%
43 | Re: Who lnew tha ... | 6 | 12,111 | 1 | 0.58%
44 | Eliane Rodrigues ... | 6 | 11,596 | 1 | 0.58%
45 | One of my favori ... | 6 | 10,416 | 1 | 0.58%
46 | OT: Was Jesus a ... | 6 | 10,108 | 1 | 0.58%
47 | The other Toccata | 6 | 9,651 | 1 | 0.58%
48 | For AB | 6 | 16,580 | 0 | 0.58%
49 | Re: Name that tu ... | 5 | 14,170 | 1 | 0.48%
50 | Re: The Most Bea ... | 5 | 10,845 | 1 | 0.48%
51 | Time for some Fr ... | 5 | 10,119 | 1 | 0.48%
52 | Gawain - Emmanue ... | 5 | 9,353 | 1 | 0.48%
53 | Photo of three f ... | 5 | 8,784 | 1 | 0.48%
54 | La Wang attempts ... | 5 | 8,763 | 1 | 0.48%
55 | A superb Schuber ... | 5 | 7,758 | 1 | 0.48%
56 | OT: Yet another ... | 5 | 7,739 | 1 | 0.48%
57 | FAR EAST... | 5 | 7,190 | 1 | 0.48%
58 | Re: How difficul ... | 4 | 11,835 | 1 | 0.38%
59 | Brahms - 11 Chor ... | 4 | 8,984 | 1 | 0.38%
60 | Re: OT - "I want ... | 4 | 8,502 | 1 | 0.38%
61 | Re: It's just as ... | 4 | 8,448 | 1 | 0.38%
62 | A great barking ... | 4 | 8,442 | 1 | 0.38%
63 | Re: TD’s legacy ... | 4 | 7,931 | 1 | 0.38%
64 | Fibich "Nálady, ... | 4 | 7,473 | 1 | 0.38%
65 | Terrific Sibelius 5 | 4 | 6,758 | 1 | 0.38%
66 | Re: Another grea ... | 4 | 6,657 | 1 | 0.38%
67 | Bavouzet Haydn @ ... | 4 | 6,581 | 1 | 0.38%
68 | A nice wind quintet | 4 | 6,503 | 1 | 0.38%
69 | 1959 Witold Malc ... | 4 | 6,478 | 1 | 0.38%
70 | Re: Wiener Zeitu ... | 4 | 6,360 | 1 | 0.38%
71 | BMW 582 | 4 | 6,334 | 1 | 0.38%
72 | Saygun - Piano c ... | 4 | 6,116 | 1 | 0.38%
73 | Bruce Liu Chopin ... | 4 | 6,073 | 1 | 0.38%
74 | Music explained | 4 | 5,826 | 1 | 0.38%
75 | Conservative Chr ... | 4 | 5,719 | 1 | 0.38%
76 | Poulenc. La Voix ... | 3 | 8,915 | 1 | 0.29%
77 | Re: Knappertsbus ... | 3 | 6,166 | 1 | 0.29%
78 | Re: Great Pianis ... | 3 | 5,343 | 1 | 0.29%
79 | Michelangeli’s L ... | 3 | 5,337 | 1 | 0.29%
80 | Sooner or later ... | 3 | 5,294 | 1 | 0.29%
81 | Sviridov's The B ... | 3 | 5,041 | 1 | 0.29%
82 | Re: Now let's be ... | 3 | 4,911 | 1 | 0.29%
83 | Never judge a bo ... | 3 | 4,579 | 1 | 0.29%
84 | Belle van Zuylen ... | 3 | 4,434 | 1 | 0.29%
85 | Better than Glas ... | 3 | 4,371 | 1 | 0.29%
86 | Praetorius | 3 | 4,261 | 1 | 0.29%
87 | Bruckner 4th Blo ... | 3 | 3,917 | 1 | 0.29%
88 | JANUARY STATS... | 2 | 54,026 | 1 | 0.19%
89 | Re: Fauré’s Barc ... | 2 | 5,194 | 1 | 0.19%
90 | Re: Bulow says p ... | 2 | 3,872 | 1 | 0.19%
91 | Re: HOLST: What ... | 2 | 3,811 | 1 | 0.19%
92 | Have you heard t ... | 2 | 3,701 | 1 | 0.19%
93 | Re: It's just as ... | 2 | 3,666 | 1 | 0.19%
94 | Elena Bashkirova ... | 2 | 3,537 | 1 | 0.19%
95 | Re: Grammy class ... | 2 | 3,504 | 1 | 0.19%
96 | Re: "Musically A ... | 2 | 3,474 | 1 | 0.19%
97 | Saint-Saens Tocc ... | 2 | 3,359 | 1 | 0.19%
98 | Re: Non-Chopin n ... | 2 | 3,141 | 1 | 0.19%
99 | Re: Recording(s) ... | 2 | 3,134 | 1 | 0.19%
100 | Wolf's Abendbilder | 2 | 3,133 | 1 | 0.19%
101 | Mahler 5 by Klau ... | 2 | 3,101 | 1 | 0.19%
102 | Re: Wiener Zeitu ... | 2 | 2,980 | 1 | 0.19%
103 | ANOTHER TOCCATA ... | 2 | 2,825 | 1 | 0.19%
104 | F X Mozart playe ... | 2 | 2,819 | 1 | 0.19%
105 | A superb KV 491 | 2 | 2,787 | 1 | 0.19%
106 | The young(er) Ri ... | 2 | 2,769 | 1 | 0.19%
107 | A nice wind quintet | 2 | 2,747 | 1 | 0.19%
108 | Bar piano | 2 | 2,730 | 1 | 0.19%
109 | Are these the "b ... | 2 | 2,718 | 1 | 0.19%
110 | Elisso Virsaladz ... | 2 | 2,692 | 1 | 0.19%
111 | Yet another toccata | 2 | 2,659 | 1 | 0.19%
112 | YC Lim Wigmore H ... | 2 | 2,628 | 1 | 0.19%
113 | Better fingers t ... | 2 | 2,628 | 1 | 0.19%
114 | A nice oboe concerto | 2 | 2,605 | 1 | 0.19%
115 | OT: Fall Of Empi ... | 2 | 2,556 | 1 | 0.19%
116 | Superb 1997 Igor ... | 2 | 2,552 | 1 | 0.19%
117 | La Wang Zurich r ... | 2 | 2,531 | 1 | 0.19%
118 | More Messy | 2 | 2,525 | 1 | 0.19%
119 | EINAV... | 2 | 2,245 | 1 | 0.19%
120 | Re: WAYLTL - K563 | 2 | 8,627 | 0 | 0.19%
121 | Re: American Jew ... | 2 | 5,655 | 0 | 0.19%
122 | OT A new world o ... | 2 | 4,805 | 0 | 0.19%
123 | Ian Pace | 2 | 3,797 | 0 | 0.19%
124 | Tchaikovsky Marc ... | 2 | 3,728 | 0 | 0.19%
125 | Putin's state of ... | 2 | 3,074 | 0 | 0.19%
126 | GABY... | 2 | 2,685 | 0 | 0.19%
127 | Google searches ... | 1 | 9,963 | 1 | 0.10%
128 | Re: WAYLTL - K563 | 1 | 6,392 | 1 | 0.10%
129 | It's just as bad ... | 1 | 3,224 | 1 | 0.10%
130 | "Shoot if you li ... | 1 | 3,157 | 1 | 0.10%
131 | Re: Wiener Zeitu ... | 1 | 3,079 | 1 | 0.10%
132 | Streaming opera ... | 1 | 2,294 | 1 | 0.10%
133 | Re: RIP... | 1 | 2,215 | 1 | 0.10%
134 | Jean-Sébastien B ... | 1 | 2,155 | 1 | 0.10%
135 | Re: OT? - Whatev ... | 1 | 2,090 | 1 | 0.10%
136 | Re: OT? - Whatev ... | 1 | 2,037 | 1 | 0.10%
137 | Re: Now let's be ... | 1 | 1,910 | 1 | 0.10%
138 | Request: Jeanne ... | 1 | 1,888 | 1 | 0.10%
139 | Keyboard advice ... | 1 | 1,785 | 1 | 0.10%
140 | Re: OT? - Whatev ... | 1 | 1,745 | 1 | 0.10%
141 | Re: Fauré’s Barc ... | 1 | 1,671 | 1 | 0.10%
142 | Re: Beethoven sy ... | 1 | 1,651 | 1 | 0.10%
143 | Alexander Rodin' ... | 1 | 1,631 | 1 | 0.10%
144 | Bonaventura’s Ch ... | 1 | 1,610 | 1 | 0.10%
145 | Re: The REAL Ham ... | 1 | 1,594 | 1 | 0.10%
146 | Solti without stick | 1 | 1,586 | 1 | 0.10%
147 | Re: How difficul ... | 1 | 1,570 | 1 | 0.10%
148 | Thyssens-Valenti ... | 1 | 1,509 | 1 | 0.10%
149 | Re: Akira Ifukub ... | 1 | 1,508 | 1 | 0.10%
150 | Re: Bulow says p ... | 1 | 1,508 | 1 | 0.10%
151 | A photo of Herma ... | 1 | 1,489 | 1 | 0.10%
152 | Paul Dessau (App ... | 1 | 1,484 | 1 | 0.10%
153 | The student, the ... | 1 | 1,463 | 1 | 0.10%
154 | Re: Akira Ifukub ... | 1 | 1,443 | 1 | 0.10%
155 | Re: The REAL Ham ... | 1 | 1,423 | 1 | 0.10%
156 | Re: Non-Chopin n ... | 1 | 1,407 | 1 | 0.10%
157 | Joseph Villa -- ... | 1 | 1,359 | 1 | 0.10%
158 | Are they worth w ... | 1 | 1,319 | 1 | 0.10%
159 | OT: Quick and ea ... | 1 | 1,299 | 1 | 0.10%
160 | Cecile Licad -- ... | 1 | 1,278 | 1 | 0.10%
161 | A pretty good Wa ... | 1 | 1,274 | 1 | 0.10%
162 | WAYLTL February 2023 | 1 | 1,271 | 1 | 0.10%
163 | Joep Franssens - ... | 1 | 1,266 | 1 | 0.10%
164 | OT: Cosmo Lang | 1 | 1,250 | 1 | 0.10%
165 | Music Identifica ... | 1 | 1,245 | 1 | 0.10%
166 | OT: Paul Maier: ... | 1 | 1,236 | 1 | 0.10%
167 | Melmoth, do you ... | 1 | 1,229 | 1 | 0.10%
168 | Look ma, no fidd ... | 1 | 1,214 | 1 | 0.10%
169 | MAH SS 5 | 1 | 1,204 | 1 | 0.10%
170 | Is this the "bes ... | 1 | 1,189 | 1 | 0.10%
171 | Franz Liszt - Di ... | 1 | 1,186 | 1 | 0.10%
172 | More messy Messi ... | 1 | 1,178 | 1 | 0.10%
173 | Olivier Messiaen ... | 1 | 1,178 | 1 | 0.10%
174 | Somei Satoh: Vio ... | 1 | 1,173 | 1 | 0.10%
175 | A great YT chann ... | 1 | 1,160 | 1 | 0.10%
176 | For Melmoth | 1 | 1,158 | 1 | 0.10%
177 | Rachmaninov our ... | 1 | 1,155 | 1 | 0.10%
178 | Oliver Sacks -- ... | 1 | 1,155 | 1 | 0.10%
179 | Silvestre Revuel ... | 1 | 1,154 | 1 | 0.10%
180 | La Wang does the ... | 1 | 1,154 | 1 | 0.10%
181 | Bruce Liu interview | 1 | 1,149 | 1 | 0.10%
182 | More hot air | 1 | 1,142 | 1 | 0.10%
183 | Delightful chamb ... | 1 | 1,138 | 1 | 0.10%
184 | Bliss -- A Colou ... | 1 | 1,137 | 1 | 0.10%
185 | Another Bruce Li ... | 1 | 1,137 | 1 | 0.10%
186 | JOHANNES ..... | 1 | 1,133 | 1 | 0.10%
187 | Speechless ..... | 1 | 1,130 | 1 | 0.10%
188 | Even messier Mes ... | 1 | 1,129 | 1 | 0.10%
189 | Short sympawnies | 1 | 1,129 | 1 | 0.10%
190 | M.35 | 1 | 1,123 | 1 | 0.10%
191 | Berkshire Record ... | 1 | 3,571 | 0 | 0.10%
192 | Re: Beethoven's ... | 1 | 2,438 | 0 | 0.10%
193 | Chopin Scherzi l ... | 1 | 2,421 | 0 | 0.10%
194 | Re: ~~~~~ PRO AN ... | 1 | 2,203 | 0 | 0.10%
195 | A Classical Reco ... | 1 | 1,836 | 0 | 0.10% ----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|


***** Newsreaders les plus utilisés *****
num| Newsreader | nb msg | taille | or. | % ----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------|
1 | G2/1.0 | 823 | 1,842,145 | 160 | 79.13% xxxxxxxxxx
2 | Mozilla/5.0 (W ... | 44 | 134,602 | 1 | 4.23%
3 | Hogwasher/5.24 | 32 | 87,566 | 6 | 3.08%
4 | Mozilla/5.0 (M ... | 26 | 61,547 | 2 | 2.50%
5 | trn 4.0-test77 ... | 24 | 35,735 | 0 | 2.31%
6 | MesNews/1.08.06.00 | 22 | 55,596 | 7 | 2.12%
7 | Mozilla/5.0 (W ... | 21 | 70,075 | 0 | 2.02%
8 | Alpine 2.00 (L ... | 20 | 44,690 | 1 | 1.92%
9 | Unison/2.2 | 8 | 18,932 | 0 | 0.77%
10 | Mozilla/5.0 (W ... | 6 | 18,022 | 0 | 0.58%
11 | Pan/0.149 (Bel ... | 5 | 9,627 | 2 | 0.48%
12 | Mozilla/5.0 (W ... | 5 | 18,663 | 0 | 0.48%
13 | Mozilla/5.0 (W ... | 2 | 7,191 | 0 | 0.19%
14 | Gnus/5.13 (Gnu ... | 1 | 1,846 | 0 | 0.10%
15 | Microsoft Outl ... | 1 | 1,345 | 0 | 0.10% ----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------|


***** Newsreaders les plus utilisés (utilisateur distinct) *****
num| Newsreader | Util. | nb msg | % ----|------------------------------|-------|--------|------------------|
1 | G2/1.0 | 52 | 823 | 75.36% xxxxxxxxxx
2 | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT ... | 2 | 44 | 2.90%
3 | Hogwasher/5.24 | 2 | 32 | 2.90%
4 | Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; ... | 2 | 26 | 2.90%
5 | trn 4.0-test77 (Sep 1, 2010) | 1 | 24 | 1.45%
6 | MesNews/1.08.06.00 | 1 | 22 | 1.45%
7 | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT ... | 1 | 21 | 1.45%
8 | Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 20 ... | 1 | 20 | 1.45%
9 | Unison/2.2 | 1 | 8 | 1.45%
10 | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT ... | 1 | 6 | 1.45%
11 | Pan/0.149 (Bellevue; 4c1 ... | 1 | 5 | 1.45%
12 | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT ... | 1 | 5 | 1.45%
13 | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT ... | 1 | 2 | 1.45%
14 | Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) E ... | 1 | 1 | 1.45%
15 | Microsoft Outlook Expres ... | 1 | 1 | 1.45% ----|------------------------------|-------|--------|------------------|


***** Newsreaders les plus utilisés (résumé) *****
num| Newsreader | nb msg | taille | or. | % ----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------|
1 | G2 | 823 | 1,842,145 | 160 | 79.13% xxxxxxxxxx
2 | Mozilla | 104 | 310,100 | 3 | 10.00% x
3 | Hogwasher | 32 | 87,566 | 6 | 3.08%
4 | trn | 24 | 35,735 | 0 | 2.31%
5 | MesNews | 22 | 55,596 | 7 | 2.12%
6 | Alpine | 20 | 44,690 | 1 | 1.92%
7 | Unison | 8 | 18,932 | 0 | 0.77%
8 | Pan | 5 | 9,627 | 2 | 0.48%
9 | Gnus | 1 | 1,846 | 0 | 0.10%
10 | Microsoft Outl ... | 1 | 1,345 | 0 | 0.10% ----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------|


***** Newsreaders les plus utilisés (résumé, par utilisateur) *****
num| Newsreader | Util. | nb msg | % ----|---------------------------|-------|--------|------------------|
1 | G2 | 52 | 823 | 75.36% xxxxxxxxxx
2 | Mozilla | 8 | 104 | 11.59% x
3 | Hogwasher | 2 | 32 | 2.90%
4 | trn | 1 | 24 | 1.45%
5 | MesNews | 1 | 22 | 1.45%
6 | Alpine | 1 | 20 | 1.45%
7 | Unison | 1 | 8 | 1.45%
8 | Pan | 1 | 5 | 1.45%
9 | Gnus | 1 | 1 | 1.45%
10 | Microsoft Outlook Express | 1 | 1 | 1.45% ----|---------------------------|-------|--------|------------------|


***** Résumé *****
Nombre de messages : 1040 en 28 jours
Nouveaux threads : 179
Nombre de réponses : 861
Nombre de threads modifiés : 195
Taille totale : 2407582 octets (2,351.15 ko)
Nombre de lignes : 4672 lignes
Nombre de contributeurs : 65
Nombre de messages moy. par contributeur : 16.00
Taille de messages moy. par contributeur : 37,039.72 octets (36.17 ko))
Nombre de lignes moy. par contributeur : 71.88

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Fake data, fake stats. Probably
computed by your escargots.

Abridged for readability.

On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 4:12:04 PM UTC-8, MELMOTH wrote:

Forum : rec.music.classical.recordings
Stats : du 01/02/2023 au 28/02/2023

***** Meilleurs contributeurs / quantité *****
num| nom | nb msg | taille | or. | % ----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
1 | Dan Koren | 350 | 753,527 | 92 | 33.65% xxxxxxxxxx
2 | Andrew Clarke | 80 | 226,020 | 10 | 7.69% xx
3 | Herman | 80 | 161,141 | 5 | 7.69% xx
4 | Frank Berger | 75 | 243,102 | 1 | 7.21% xx
5 | HT | 73 | 151,246 | 11 | 7.02% xx
6 | raymond....@gmai ... | 41 | 108,606 | 7 | 3.94% x
7 | Andy Evans | 34 | 73,031 | 4 | 3.27%
8 | Pluted Pup | 31 | 85,037 | 6 | 2.98%
9 | Mandryka | 26 | 54,967 | 8 | 2.50%
10 | Todd M. McComb | 24 | 35,735 | 0 | 2.31%

***** Meilleurs contributeurs / origine *****
num| nom | or. | nb msg | taille | % ----|----------------------|-----|--------|---------|------------------|
1 | Dan Koren | 92 | 350 | 753,527 | 51.40% xxxxxxxxxx
2 | HT | 11 | 73 | 151,246 | 6.15% x
3 | Andrew Clarke | 10 | 80 | 226,020 | 5.59% x
4 | Mandryka | 8 | 26 | 54,967 | 4.47%
5 | raymond....@gmai ... | 7 | 41 | 108,606 | 3.91%
6 | MELMOTH | 7 | 22 | 55,596 | 3.91%
7 | Pluted Pup | 6 | 31 | 85,037 | 3.35%
8 | Herman | 5 | 80 | 161,141 | 2.79%
9 | Andy Evans | 4 | 34 | 73,031 | 2.23%
10 | James Goodzeit | 3 | 10 | 26,996 | 1.68%

***** Meilleurs contributeurs / taille *****
num| nom | taille | nb msg | or. | % ----|----------------------|---------|--------|-----|------------------|
1 | Dan Koren | 753,527 | 350 | 92 | 31.30% xxxxxxxxxx
2 | Frank Berger | 243,102 | 75 | 1 | 10.10% xxx
3 | Andrew Clarke | 226,020 | 80 | 10 | 9.39% xx
4 | Herman | 161,141 | 80 | 5 | 6.69% xx
5 | HT | 151,246 | 73 | 11 | 6.28% xx
6 | raymond....@gmai ... | 108,606 | 41 | 7 | 4.51% x
7 | Pluted Pup | 85,037 | 31 | 6 | 3.53% x
8 | Andy Evans | 73,031 | 34 | 4 | 3.03%
9 | MELMOTH | 55,596 | 22 | 7 | 2.31%
10 | Mandryka | 54,967 | 26 | 8 | 2.28%

***** Résumé *****
Nombre de messages : 1040 en 28 jours
Nouveaux threads : 179
Nombre de réponses : 861
Nombre de threads modifiés : 195
Taille totale : 2407582 octets (2,351.15 ko)
Nombre de lignes : 4672 lignes
Nombre de contributeurs : 65
Nombre de messages moy. par contributeur : 16.00
Taille de messages moy. par contributeur : 37,039.72 octets (36.17 ko)) Nombre de lignes moy. par contributeur : 71.88

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- "everyone is antisemite" posts: 55.8%
- "This ng is such a sad place honestly - it is full of antisemites, racists and bigots and generally very bitter and uneducated people; even the Jews here are antisemitic." posts: 1.8%
- " Have fun grieving over an antisemite." posts: 0.8%
- "I am not part of your club and I do not intend to join it; I despise clubs made up of imbeciles, antisemites and philistines. " posts: 1.1%
- "You are by far the worst excrement to disgrace this group." posts: 6.2%
- "Let me remind you, Marc Schiss, that you are a bigoted, retarted, hyper conservative, ultra-reactionary Nazi dog brainfucked imbecile krautkopf. " posts: 0.7%
- "Have fun hating yourself!" posts: 0.9%
- "A pathetic, self-hating Jew is what you are." posts: 1.0%
- "Is this ng full of self-hating Jews?" posts: 1.1%
- "Sorry, but I don't want to become as retarded as you are." posts: 1.0%
- "you need a lobotomy" posts: 1.1%
- "Thanks for providing further proof that you have no taste and are full of shit." posts: 1.2%
- "I only like a handful of composers" posts: 1.1%
- "Screw Böhm, Abendroth, Thielemann, Schuricht, Masur and Wand, Schmidt-Isserstedt as well; screw Barbirolli, Sargent, Mravinsky, Gergiev, Svetlanov, Bernstein, Szell, Koussevitsky... well, I guess, screw about 99% of the conductors." posts: 0.8%
- "don't care for Sibelius anyway; Strauss is much better, but I don't care for him either" posts: 0.7%

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On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 1:48:58 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:

On Thursday, 2 March 2023 at 09:06:04 UTC, Gerard wrote:

- "everyone is antisemite" posts: 55.8%

The ng has become like a primary school playground:

"Ya boo, you're and antisemite, you're an antisemite,
you're an antisemite, you're an antisemite..... I'll tell
teacher, I'll tell teacher, I'll tell teacher, I'll tell teacher.......
Ya Boo... antisemite, antisemite, antisemite, antisemite........."

You are.

dk

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On Thursday, 2 March 2023 at 09:06:04 UTC, Gerard wrote:

- "everyone is antisemite" posts: 55.8%

The ng has become like a primary school playground:

"Ya boo, you're and antisemite, you're an antisemite, you're an antisemite, you're an antisemite..... I'll tell teacher, I'll tell teacher, I'll tell teacher, I'll tell teacher....... Ya Boo... antisemite, antisemite, antisemite, antisemite........."

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On Thursday, 2 March 2023 at 09:56:46 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 1:48:58 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:

On Thursday, 2 March 2023 at 09:06:04 UTC, Gerard wrote:

- "everyone is antisemite" posts: 55.8%

The ng has become like a primary school playground:

"Ya boo, you're and antisemite, you're an antisemite,
you're an antisemite, you're an antisemite..... I'll tell
teacher, I'll tell teacher, I'll tell teacher, I'll tell teacher.......
Ya Boo... antisemite, antisemite, antisemite, antisemite........."

You are.

dk

I'm not a 9 year old any more. I don't call people names in the playground. Come to think of it I didn't even do that as a 9 year old.

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On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 2:01:54 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:

On Thursday, 2 March 2023 at 09:56:46 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 1:48:58 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:

On Thursday, 2 March 2023 at 09:06:04 UTC, Gerard wrote:

- "everyone is antisemite" posts: 55.8%

The ng has become like a primary school playground:

"Ya boo, you're and antisemite, you're an antisemite,
you're an antisemite, you're an antisemite..... I'll tell
teacher, I'll tell teacher, I'll tell teacher, I'll tell teacher....... Ya Boo... antisemite, antisemite, antisemite, antisemite........."

You are.

I'm not a 9 year old any more. I don't call people names in
the playground. Come to think of it I didn't even do that as
a 9 year old.

There's still time to catch up. Do you need coaching?

dk

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On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 11:01:54 AM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:

On Thursday, 2 March 2023 at 09:56:46 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 1:48:58 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:

You are.

dk

I'm not a 9 year old any more. I don't call people names in the playground. Come to think of it I didn't even do that as a 9 year old.

Of course the old reliable "No you are" is standard nine-year old stuff.
Also known as "No you're the puppet".

If DK and MS just got a room in a cheap motel in Las Vegas things would be much better here.

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On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 2:24:36 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:

If DK and MS just got a room in a cheap motel
in Las Vegas things would be much better here.

What makes you think I would ever set foot in Vegas?

dk

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Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 11:25:58 UTC+1:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 2:24:36 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:

If DK and MS just got a room in a cheap motel
in Las Vegas things would be much better here.

What makes you think I would ever set foot in Vegas?

dk

My dear friend, we would have a lot of fun in Vegas, don't you think?

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Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 12:23:54 UTC+1:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 3:19:16 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 11:25:58 UTC+1:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 2:24:36 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:

If DK and MS just got a room in a cheap motel
in Las Vegas things would be much better here.

What makes you think I would ever set foot in Vegas?

My dear friend, we would have a
lot of fun in Vegas, don't you think?

Nope. No classical music in Vegas.
In fact, even jazz does not have a
foothold there.

dk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vE2FmiBHCg

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On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 3:19:16 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 11:25:58 UTC+1:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 2:24:36 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:

If DK and MS just got a room in a cheap motel
in Las Vegas things would be much better here.

What makes you think I would ever set foot in Vegas?

My dear friend, we would have a
lot of fun in Vegas, don't you think?

Nope. No classical music in Vegas.
In fact, even jazz does not have a
foothold there.

dk

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On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 3:33:37 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 12:23:54 UTC+1:

Nope. No classical music in Vegas.
In fact, even jazz does not have a
foothold there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vE2FmiBHCg

Sinatra isn't jazz.

dk

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Like I said, just get a room, the two of you, and lock the door.

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Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 12:47:46 UTC+1:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 3:33:37 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 12:23:54 UTC+1:

Nope. No classical music in Vegas.
In fact, even jazz does not have a
foothold there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vE2FmiBHCg

Sinatra isn't jazz.

dk

I did not say he was, but he's fun. Why are you always so serious...

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On 3/2/2023 4:48 AM, Andy Evans wrote:

On Thursday, 2 March 2023 at 09:06:04 UTC, Gerard wrote:

- "everyone is antisemite" posts: 55.8%

The ng has become like a primary school playground:

"Ya boo, you're and antisemite, you're an antisemite, you're an antisemite, you're an antisemite..... I'll tell teacher, I'll tell teacher, I'll tell teacher, I'll tell teacher....... Ya Boo... antisemite, antisemite, antisemite, antisemite........."

Everyone admits that antisemitism exists, yet somehow there are no people who are actually antisemitic. A mystery.

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On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 4:28:09 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 12:47:46 UTC+1:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 3:33:37 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 12:23:54 UTC+1:

Nope. No classical music in Vegas.
In fact, even jazz does not have a
foothold there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vE2FmiBHCg

Sinatra isn't jazz.

I did not say he was, but he's fun.
Why are you always so serious...

Only about Sinatra. If one likes to
listen to the Mafia, Toscanini is a
better provider.

dk

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On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:43:30 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:

Everyone admits that antisemitism exists,
yet somehow there are no people who are
actually antisemitic. A mystery.

Half of the anti-semites appear to be Israeli
citizens according to Marc SS.. Specifically,
those who did not vote for Netanyahu.

dk

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On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 7:17:20 PM UTC+1, Owen Hartnett wrote:

I got to say, Gerard, that your monthly summary of MELMOTH's summary
has become one of the funniest things in this group.

Yes.

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On 3/2/2023 12:41 PM, Dan Koren wrote:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:43:30 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:

Everyone admits that antisemitism exists,
yet somehow there are no people who are
actually antisemitic. A mystery.

Half of the anti-semites appear to be Israeli
citizens according to Marc SS.. Specifically,
those who did not vote for Netanyahu.

dk

As you said regarding decency, it depends how you define it.

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On 2023-03-02 09:06:01 +0000, Gerard said:

- "everyone is antisemite" posts: 55.8%
- "This ng is such a sad place honestly - it is full of antisemites,
racists and bigots and generally very bitter and uneducated people;
even the Jews here are antisemitic." posts: 1.8%- " Have fun grieving
over an antisemite." posts: 0.8%
- "I am not part of your club and I do not intend to join it; I despise
clubs made up of imbeciles, antisemites and philistines. " posts: 1.1%
- "You are by far the worst excrement to disgrace this group." posts: 6.2%
- "Let me remind you, Marc Schiss, that you are a bigoted, retarted,
hyper conservative, ultra-reactionary Nazi dog brainfucked imbecile krautkopf. " posts: 0.7%
- "Have fun hating yourself!" posts: 0.9%
- "A pathetic, self-hating Jew is what you are." posts: 1.0%
- "Is this ng full of self-hating Jews?" posts: 1.1%
- "Sorry, but I don't want to become as retarded as you are." posts: 1.0%
- "you need a lobotomy" posts: 1.1%
- "Thanks for providing further proof that you have no taste and are
full of shit." posts: 1.2%
- "I only like a handful of composers" posts: 1.1%
- "Screw B�hm, Abendroth, Thielemann, Schuricht, Masur and Wand, Schmidt-Isserstedt as well; screw Barbirolli, Sargent, Mravinsky,
Gergiev, Svetlanov, Bernstein, Szell, Koussevitsky... well, I guess,
screw about 99% of the conductors." posts: 0.8%
- "don't care for Sibelius anyway; Strauss is much better, but I don't
care for him either" posts: 0.7%

I got to say, Gerard, that your monthly summary of MELMOTH's summary
has become one of the funniest things in this group.

-Owen

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Op donderdag 2 maart 2023 om 19:17:20 UTC+1 schreef Owen Hartnett:

On 2023-03-02 09:06:01 +0000, Gerard said:

- "everyone is antisemite" posts: 55.8%
- "This ng is such a sad place honestly - it is full of antisemites, racists and bigots and generally very bitter and uneducated people;
even the Jews here are antisemitic." posts: 1.8%- " Have fun grieving
over an antisemite." posts: 0.8%
- "I am not part of your club and I do not intend to join it; I despise clubs made up of imbeciles, antisemites and philistines. " posts: 1.1%
- "You are by far the worst excrement to disgrace this group." posts: 6.2% - "Let me remind you, Marc Schiss, that you are a bigoted, retarted,
hyper conservative, ultra-reactionary Nazi dog brainfucked imbecile krautkopf. " posts: 0.7%
- "Have fun hating yourself!" posts: 0.9%
- "A pathetic, self-hating Jew is what you are." posts: 1.0%
- "Is this ng full of self-hating Jews?" posts: 1.1%
- "Sorry, but I don't want to become as retarded as you are." posts: 1.0% - "you need a lobotomy" posts: 1.1%
- "Thanks for providing further proof that you have no taste and are
full of shit." posts: 1.2%
- "I only like a handful of composers" posts: 1.1%
- "Screw Böhm, Abendroth, Thielemann, Schuricht, Masur and Wand, Schmidt-Isserstedt as well; screw Barbirolli, Sargent, Mravinsky,
Gergiev, Svetlanov, Bernstein, Szell, Koussevitsky... well, I guess,
screw about 99% of the conductors." posts: 0.8%
- "don't care for Sibelius anyway; Strauss is much better, but I don't care for him either" posts: 0.7%

I got to say, Gerard, that your monthly summary of MELMOTH's summary
has become one of the funniest things in this group.

-Owen

Glad to see that there is some appreciation ;-)

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On 3/2/23 1:17 PM, Owen Hartnett wrote:

On 2023-03-02 09:06:01 +0000, Gerard said:

- "don't care for Sibelius anyway; Strauss is much better, but I don't
care for him either" posts: 0.7%

I got to say, Gerard, that your monthly summary of MELMOTH's summary has become one of the funniest things in this group.

-Owen

I agree about Gerard's posts - but as a long term lurker I nominate Owen
for a Lifetime Achievement Award for humor!

(But watch out - Andrew Clarke is gaining on you..)

(And as W. C. Fields might have said, "I am free of all prejudice. I
hate everyone equally.")

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On 2023-03-02 20:29:39 +0000, Notsure01 said:

On 3/2/23 1:17 PM, Owen Hartnett wrote:

On 2023-03-02 09:06:01 +0000, Gerard said:

- "don't care for Sibelius anyway; Strauss is much better, but I don't
care for him either" posts: 0.7%

I got to say, Gerard, that your monthly summary of MELMOTH's summary
has become one of the funniest things in this group.

-Owen

I agree about Gerard's posts - but as a long term lurker I nominate
Owen for a Lifetime Achievement Award for humor!

(But watch out - Andrew Clarke is gaining on you..)

(And as W. C. Fields might have said, "I am free of all prejudice. I
hate everyone equally.")

No awards please! Then I'll have to write a speech and deliver it on
the red carpet in a red gown slit up to my thigh!

-Owen

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On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:

No awards please! Then I'll have to
write a speech and deliver it on the
red carpet in a red gown slit up to
my thigh!

Delegate it to La Wang. One doesn't
doubt she would be delighted to
deliver your speech and improvise
on it.

dk

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On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:

On 2023-03-02 20:29:39 +0000, Notsure01 said:

On 3/2/23 1:17 PM, Owen Hartnett wrote:

On 2023-03-02 09:06:01 +0000, Gerard said:

- "don't care for Sibelius anyway; Strauss is much better, but I don't >>> care for him either" posts: 0.7%

I got to say, Gerard, that your monthly summary of MELMOTH's summary
has become one of the funniest things in this group.

-Owen

I agree about Gerard's posts - but as a long term lurker I nominate
Owen for a Lifetime Achievement Award for humor!

(But watch out - Andrew Clarke is gaining on you..)

(And as W. C. Fields might have said, "I am free of all prejudice. I
hate everyone equally.")

No awards please! Then I'll have to write a speech and deliver it on
the red carpet in a red gown slit up to my thigh!

-Owen

Are you sensitive to drafts, too?

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On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 10:35:23 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:

No awards please! Then I'll have to write a
speech and deliver it on the red carpet in a
red gown slit up to my thigh!

Are you sensitive to drafts, too?

We are all quite sensitive to bots.

dk

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Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 07:58:39 UTC+1:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 10:35:23 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:

No awards please! Then I'll have to write a
speech and deliver it on the red carpet in a
red gown slit up to my thigh!

Are you sensitive to drafts, too?

We are all quite sensitive to bots.

dk

OT: I think you are probably right about Karajan in the general sense (and especially in Mozart)... still, I need to relisten to his Beethoven 3 (and some others); he certainly is no Mengelberg, but damn it, I need these symphonies also in good sound...
maybe Bernstein and some others are better, it's been a while - likely I'll stay with Mengelberg...

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Marc S schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 08:09:38 UTC+1:

Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 07:58:39 UTC+1:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 10:35:23 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:

No awards please! Then I'll have to write a
speech and deliver it on the red carpet in a
red gown slit up to my thigh!

Are you sensitive to drafts, too?

We are all quite sensitive to bots.

dk

OT: I think you are probably right about Karajan in the general sense (and especially in Mozart)... still, I need to relisten to his Beethoven 3 (and some others); he certainly is no Mengelberg, but damn it, I need these symphonies also in good sound...

maybe Bernstein and some others are better, it's been a while - likely I'll stay with Mengelberg...

Forget what I said... I still love Karajan in Mozart's Cosi; not so happy about most of his Mozart stuff, but here I think he is really good.

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Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 18:41:31 UTC+1:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:43:30 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:

Everyone admits that antisemitism exists,
yet somehow there are no people who are
actually antisemitic. A mystery.

Half of the anti-semites appear to be Israeli
citizens according to Marc SS.. Specifically,
those who did not vote for Netanyahu.

dk

Now you are putting words in my mouth. I never said this.

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On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 2:12:39 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 18:41:31 UTC+1:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:43:30 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:

Everyone admits that antisemitism exists,
yet somehow there are no people who are
actually antisemitic. A mystery.

Half of the anti-semites appear to be Israeli
citizens according to Marc SS.. Specifically,
those who did not vote for Netanyahu.

Now you are putting words in my mouth.
I never said this.

You didn't say it but it follows from what
you wrote.

dk

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Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 12:26:45 UTC+1:

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 2:12:39 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 18:41:31 UTC+1:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:43:30 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:

Everyone admits that antisemitism exists,
yet somehow there are no people who are
actually antisemitic. A mystery.

Half of the anti-semites appear to be Israeli
citizens according to Marc SS.. Specifically,
those who did not vote for Netanyahu.

Now you are putting words in my mouth.
I never said this.

You didn't say it but it follows from what
you wrote.

dk

No, stop projecting.

You, Andy, NYT and the Austrian Newspaper I quoted etc paint 60% of Israelis as fascists and/or imbeciles (Austrian Newspaper likened them to the KKK) - this is what I was arguing against. I never said that (all) the people who voted left were
antisemites; and I was very clear about why I said that you sound like an antisemite... and honestly... some of the things you said were antisemitic - very clearly. You should learn to reflect. You are the one that is imagining that Netanyahu wants to
return Israel to the middle ages and that he is a fascist and what not... So according to you 60% of Israelis that voted right are basically fascists.

Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad... there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc. Things you don't see. You should open your eyes; Chabad people are not against civilisation and they don't want to force anything on anyone - people
like Yishai Fleisher or Malkah Fleisher are a different, they are dangerous.

Show some respect for these people... just because they believe in something you believe to be outdated does not make them ignorants, rather it is you who is ignorant. As far as my experience goes, the people I talked to from Chabad all had a beautiful
neshama (*I am only talking about the people I talked with); out of all the encounters I had with religious people, Chabad people are the ones that seemed most reasonable to me, and also very loving people. Generally I'd rather hang around and work with
a Chabad-scientist than an atheist-scientist or a scientist who calls Rabbis "rabies".

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Marc S schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 13:05:34 UTC+1:

Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 12:26:45 UTC+1:

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 2:12:39 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 18:41:31 UTC+1:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:43:30 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:

Everyone admits that antisemitism exists,
yet somehow there are no people who are
actually antisemitic. A mystery.

Half of the anti-semites appear to be Israeli
citizens according to Marc SS.. Specifically,
those who did not vote for Netanyahu.

Now you are putting words in my mouth.
I never said this.

You didn't say it but it follows from what
you wrote.

dk

No, stop projecting.

You, Andy, NYT and the Austrian Newspaper I quoted etc paint 60% of Israelis as fascists and/or imbeciles (Austrian Newspaper likened them to the KKK) - this is what I was arguing against. I never said that (all) the people who voted left were

antisemites; and I was very clear about why I said that you sound like an antisemite... and honestly... some of the things you said were antisemitic - very clearly. You should learn to reflect. You are the one that is imagining that Netanyahu wants to
return Israel to the middle ages and that he is a fascist and what not... So according to you 60% of Israelis that voted right are basically fascists.

Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad... there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc. Things you don't see. You should open your eyes; Chabad people are not against civilisation and they don't want to force anything on anyone -

people like Yishai Fleisher or Malkah Fleisher are a different, they are dangerous.

Show some respect for these people... just because they believe in something you believe to be outdated does not make them ignorants, rather it is you who is ignorant. As far as my experience goes, the people I talked to from Chabad all had a beautiful

neshama (*I am only talking about the people I talked with); out of all the encounters I had with religious people, Chabad people are the ones that seemed most reasonable to me, and also very loving people. Generally I'd rather hang around and work with
a Chabad-scientist than an atheist-scientist or a scientist who calls Rabbis "rabies".

To add: Dan, you liken Netanyahu to Putin; similar to how the Austrian Newspaper likens Israelis (the ones who voted right) to KKK ---- ask yourself, are you on the right side of history? In your rhetorics about Israel you sound more like an Austrian
than a Jew.

Sidenote: KKK had its roots in the democratic party, so I find it kind of amusing that suddenly right-wing politicians get likened to the KKK... (not saying that there aren't right wing politicians who may ahve connections to the KKK; but mysteriously
the KKK never gets mentioned wrt leftist politicians)

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On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:05:34 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad...
there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc.
Things you don't see. You should open your eyes;
Chabad people are not against civilisation

Chabad people are against secular civilization.
You don't seem to be able to get it through
your thick krautkopf head that the majority
of Jews in Israel are not religious and do
not want to live under a theocratic regime.

and they don't want to force anything on anyone

You clearly don't know anything about how the
religious minority in Israel force the rest of the
population to abide by their medieval notions.

You are an ignorant, complete idiot straight
out of the Middle Ages.

dk

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On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:14:48 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

To add: Dan, you liken Netanyahu to Putin;

I did -- with a precise meaning. He is
just like Putin a former secret service
operator. Cut from the same cloth.

dk

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Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 13:20:28 UTC+1:

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:14:48 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

To add: Dan, you liken Netanyahu to Putin;

I did -- with a precise meaning. He is
just like Putin a former secret service
operator. Cut from the same cloth.

dk

And as I already demonstrated the secret service of Israel is different than the secret service of Russia.

I'm actually tired of arguing with you; you do not only forget things, but you oversimplify things instead of understanding how complex reality is... No wonder you like simple music.

Anyway; a last try to appeal to your reason:

The Israeli secret service unit that Netanyahu served in was called Sayeret Matkal and it was created by Ben-Gurion and Rabin. It aimed at recruiting the "best" Israelis; and the recruited Netanyahu. This is someting entirely different than the KGB you
stupid antisemitic fuck. I don't think it should be illegal for someone who served in the special forces to work as a politician; I judge people by their deeds, and Netanyahu in all the times he was elected did not turn Israel into a middle-age clerical
fascist state; you really seem to have problems acknowledging reality (same with covid).

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On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 5:24:09 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 13:26:59 UTC+1:

You don't seem to be able to get it through
your thick krautkopf head that the majority
of Jews in Israel are not religious and do

Yet the majority of Israelis (which are Jews)
voted for a right wing government.

No they didn't. Netanyahu's party did not win a
majority. They had the highest percentage of
the vote, but less than 50%, i.e. a "plurality".
Just like Hitler in 1933.

Check your logic you stupid fuck: 60% of
Israelis voted rightwing; obviously the
majority of Israelis

You are completely delusional. You do
not even understand the most basic
facts of Israel's electoral system.

You are a brainfucked Nazi.

dk

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Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 13:26:59 UTC+1:

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:05:34 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad...
there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc.
Things you don't see. You should open your eyes;
Chabad people are not against civilisation

Chabad people are against secular civilization.

This is not true. Quote me Schneerson or someone who is regarded highly in the chabad on this... As usual you are living in fantasy world.

Chabad ofc would like Jews like you to be more orthodox, but they don't force it and they don't want to get rid of the secular state. Stop imagining things - you are worse than Herman wrt to Chabad.

You don't seem to be able to get it through
your thick krautkopf head that the majority
of Jews in Israel are not religious and do

Yet the majority of Israelis (which are Jews) voted for a right wing government. Something you don't seem to get in your stupid head.

Check your logic you stupid fuck: 60% of Israelis voted rightwing; obviously the majority of Israelis - who as you say are secular - do not fear that Netanyahu will turn Israel into a clerical fascist state - otherwise they wouldn't have voted for him.
You are completely brainfucked.

not want to live under a theocratic regime.

and they don't want to force anything on anyone

You clearly don't know anything about how the
religious minority in Israel force the rest of the
population to abide by their medieval notions.

You still don't understand that there are different kinds of orthodox Jews...

You are an ignorant, complete idiot straight
out of the Middle Ages.

Well at least I'm not an antisemite like you.

dk

Have fun with your antisemitic friends such as Andy and Henk you brainfucked imbecile.

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On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 5:24:09 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 13:26:59 UTC+1:

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:05:34 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad...
there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc.
Things you don't see. You should open your eyes;
Chabad people are not against civilisation

Chabad people are against secular civilization.

This is not true. Quote me Schneerson or someone
who is regarded highly in the chabad on this...

This is not a matter of "quotes". It is a matter of
what people actually do day to day on the ground
in real life. Schneerson's terorrists block traffic on
weenkends whenerver and wherever they can. This
has many times prevented ambulances from taking
people to hospitals and saving lives during weekends.

Schneerson's chabadniks terrorize business owners
who open stores during weekends. They terrorize
mixed couples who cannot marry legally in Israel.

These are facts on the ground, not "quotes".
Fuck Schneerson and his rabbies.

dk

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Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 14:44:15 UTC+1:

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 5:24:09 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 13:26:59 UTC+1:

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:05:34 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad...
there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc.
Things you don't see. You should open your eyes;
Chabad people are not against civilisation

Chabad people are against secular civilization.

This is not true. Quote me Schneerson or someone
who is regarded highly in the chabad on this...

This is not a matter of "quotes". It is a matter of
what people actually do day to day on the ground
in real life. Schneerson's terorrists block traffic on
weenkends whenerver and wherever they can. This
has many times prevented ambulances from taking
people to hospitals and saving lives during weekends.

How about some evidence? Imagining things won't convince me, you should have realized this by now... but I know you have trouble acknowleding reality.

I think you are confusing Chabadniks with Andy's favoured eco-terrorists who block streets...

Have you ever heard of the Chaverim in California? They actually help(ed) save lives. Or the Skulener Rabbis who rescued many orphans, or Schneerson who rescued many Jews from the Nazis.

And if shit ever hits the fan; these are the people who will welcome you with open arms, who will bleed for you - even though you hate them right now they will happily welcome you.

These orthodox Rabbis are actually more reasonable than you are, because they are not imagining secular Jews to be evil, or that secular Jews will take the religion away from them; like you are imagining Chabad to be evil, backwards and totalitarian. It
is you that is totalitarian.

Schneerson's chabadniks terrorize business owners
who open stores during weekends. They terrorize
mixed couples who cannot marry legally in Israel.

These are facts on the ground, not "quotes".
Fuck Schneerson and his rabbies.

dk

Have fun hating on Chabad... you are seriously deranged.

You have some stereotypes about Chabad in your head hm?

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Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 14:38:56 UTC+1:

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 5:24:09 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 13:26:59 UTC+1:

You don't seem to be able to get it through
your thick krautkopf head that the majority
of Jews in Israel are not religious and do

Yet the majority of Israelis (which are Jews)
voted for a right wing government.

No they didn't. Netanyahu's party did not win a
majority. They had the highest percentage of
the vote, but less than 50%, i.e. a "plurality".
Just like Hitler in 1933.

Yes, yes just like Hitler... So Israel today is like Germany in 1933. Please Dan take your sorry ass somewhere else; I can't deal with your self-hatred anymore haha.

You are as antisemtic as Henk and Andy.

Still the majority of Israelis voted right wing; if the majority of Israelis would have feared a right-wing governemnt they wouldn't have done so... and it's not the majority of israelis that are against the government today...

Check your logic you stupid fuck: 60% of
Israelis voted rightwing; obviously the
majority of Israelis

You are completely delusional. You do
not even understand the most basic
facts of Israel's electoral system.

I do think I understand it better than you do... Frank understands it better than you do as well. Keep living with your head up your ass.

You are a brainfucked Nazi.

Didn't you just compare Israel to Nazi-Germany? Go fuck yourself. Have fun with your antisemtic friends you fucking jewish antisemite - verdammter jüdischer Antisemit.

dk

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Marc S schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 15:03:53 UTC+1:

Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 14:44:15 UTC+1:

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 5:24:09 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 13:26:59 UTC+1:

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:05:34 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad...
there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc.
Things you don't see. You should open your eyes;
Chabad people are not against civilisation

Chabad people are against secular civilization.

This is not true. Quote me Schneerson or someone
who is regarded highly in the chabad on this...

This is not a matter of "quotes". It is a matter of
what people actually do day to day on the ground
in real life. Schneerson's terorrists block traffic on
weenkends whenerver and wherever they can. This
has many times prevented ambulances from taking
people to hospitals and saving lives during weekends.

How about some evidence? Imagining things won't convince me, you should have realized this by now... but I know you have trouble acknowleding reality.

I think you are confusing Chabadniks with Andy's favoured eco-terrorists who block streets...

Have you ever heard of the Chaverim in California? They actually help(ed) save lives. Or the Skulener Rabbis who rescued many orphans, or Schneerson who rescued many Jews from the Nazis.

And if shit ever hits the fan; these are the people who will welcome you with open arms, who will bleed for you - even though you hate them right now they will happily welcome you.

These orthodox Rabbis are actually more reasonable than you are, because they are not imagining secular Jews to be evil, or that secular Jews will take the religion away from them; like you are imagining Chabad to be evil, backwards and totalitarian.

It is you that is totalitarian.

*To add: Maybe some chabadniks to this; but it's not somethign I have experienced, and it's not something the organization legitimates.

When I typed in "Chabad blocks streets"; they just show me a picture of chabadniks clogged the streets in brooklyn because they wanted to take a picture - how horrific...

I am very sure that if a ambulance was in said street the chabadniks would have let them pass...

You are really completely deluded and full of hatred for yourself and Judaism...

Schneerson's chabadniks terrorize business owners
who open stores during weekends. They terrorize
mixed couples who cannot marry legally in Israel.

These are facts on the ground, not "quotes".
Fuck Schneerson and his rabbies.

dk

Have fun hating on Chabad... you are seriously deranged.

You have some stereotypes about Chabad in your head hm?

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All this endless claptrap about Israel is BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING...........

Just goes on forever...... invades all threads........

Aren't you all sick of it by now?

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On 3/3/2023 6:26 AM, Dan Koren wrote:

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 2:12:39 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 18:41:31 UTC+1:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:43:30 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:

Everyone admits that antisemitism exists,
yet somehow there are no people who are
actually antisemitic. A mystery.

Half of the anti-semites appear to be Israeli
citizens according to Marc SS.. Specifically,
those who did not vote for Netanyahu.

Now you are putting words in my mouth.
I never said this.

You didn't say it but it follows from what
you wrote.

dk

Again it all depends on your definition of antisemitism. If a Jew takes a political position that you think is not in the interest of the Jewish people, you could call that Jew antisemitic, but it is not in the usual sense. I deplore Leftist politics,
including those of Peres and the like, yet I have absolutely no doubt that these folks that believe differently than I do think they have the best interest of Jews or Israel or whatever in their hearts. And I respect them for it.

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Listen carefully. Despite all the nonsense and lies that have been printed on threads here about my views:
- I am not antisemitic
- I am critical about the politics of Israel, like many International institutions and demonstrators in Tel Aviv itself

Let me put it another way - people are just people
- I am not anti Russians, anti Chinese, anti Americans or whatever people, as people
- I am critical about the politics of Russia, China, America and a number of other countries, like many International institutions, demonstrators etc. etc. I am critical about the UK, my own country, when it steps out of line.

I went to an international school, have lived and worked in 3 different countries and speak 3 languages plus some Russian. From an early age I knew a large number of people from other countries, and this continued in all my years as a musician. To me
people are just people. Simple as that. Always has been, always will be.

Politics is a different matter. Anyone who isn't critical of politics has their head in the sand. Don't confuse the two. That's all.

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On 3/3/2023 7:26 AM, Dan Koren wrote:

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:05:34 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad...
there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc.
Things you don't see. You should open your eyes;
Chabad people are not against civilisation

Chabad people are against secular civilization.
You don't seem to be able to get it through
your thick krautkopf head that the majority
of Jews in Israel are not religious and do
not want to live under a theocratic regime.

Do you define "theocratic regime" as any system where the Rabbinate has any influence in political life? There is zero chance that there will ever be a theocratic regime in Israel, barring the arrival of the Messiah.

and they don't want to force anything on anyone

You clearly don't know anything about how the
religious minority in Israel force the rest of the
population to abide by their medieval notions.

Generalization. I've asked orthodox Rabbis about this and it seems to me most would not support a theocracy.

You are an ignorant, complete idiot straight
out of the Middle Ages.

dk

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On 3/3/2023 8:44 AM, Dan Koren wrote:

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 5:24:09 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 13:26:59 UTC+1:

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:05:34 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad...
there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc.
Things you don't see. You should open your eyes;
Chabad people are not against civilisation

Chabad people are against secular civilization.

This is not true. Quote me Schneerson or someone
who is regarded highly in the chabad on this...

This is not a matter of "quotes". It is a matter of
what people actually do day to day on the ground
in real life. Schneerson's terorrists block traffic on
weenkends whenerver and wherever they can. This
has many times prevented ambulances from taking
people to hospitals and saving lives during weekends.

Schneerson's chabadniks terrorize business owners
who open stores during weekends. They terrorize
mixed couples who cannot marry legally in Israel.

These are facts on the ground, not "quotes".
Fuck Schneerson and his rabbies.

dk

Prove it.

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On 3/3/2023 10:27 AM, Andy Evans wrote:

All this endless claptrap about Israel is BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING...........

Just goes on forever...... invades all threads........

Aren't you all sick of it by now?

Those who participate in such threads apparently don't find it boring. Also it doesn't invade "all" threads. Perspective, please.

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On Friday, 3 March 2023 at 15:53:13 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:

Do you define "theocratic regime" as any system where the Rabbinate has any influence in political life? There is zero chance that there will ever be a theocratic regime in Israel, barring the arrival of the Messiah......

etc etc etc

Why are you even speaking to this obnoxious, nauseating TROLL who is polluting this newsgroup with endless garbage.

Leave him alone....... he's like some irritating insect that buzzes round and round endlessly. Just leave him alone and stop feeding him. Starve the bastard. He won't go away but at least he won't get any food.

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On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:52:47 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:

I went to an international school, have lived and worked in 3 different countries and speak 3 languages plus some Russian. From an early age I knew a large number of people from other countries, and this continued in all my years as a musician. To me

people are just people. Simple as that. Always has been, always will be.

All of this was obvious, however, due to two or three horrible trolls who want to turn a music group into something where everything has to be about HATE, you feel obliged to justify and exculpate yourself.

The same way I had to do after I had accidentally said Isabelle Faust could play the violin - which made me an anti-semite in the eyes of these horrible ghouls.

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On Friday, 3 March 2023 at 16:15:27 UTC, Herman wrote:

All of this was obvious, however, due to two or three horrible trolls who want to turn a music group into something where everything has to be about HATE, you feel obliged to justify and exculpate yourself.

The same way I had to do after I had accidentally said Isabelle Faust could play the violin - which made me an anti-semite in the eyes of these horrible ghouls.

Herman......I laughed out loud and carried on for quite a while. It really is as absurd as you say. I still can't stop laughing......

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Op vrijdag 3 maart 2023 om 16:52:47 UTC+1 schreef Andy Evans:

Listen carefully. Despite all the nonsense and lies that have been printed on threads here about my views:
- I am not antisemitic
- I am critical about the politics of Israel, like many International institutions and demonstrators in Tel Aviv itself

Let me put it another way - people are just people
- I am not anti Russians, anti Chinese, anti Americans or whatever people, as people
- I am critical about the politics of Russia, China, America and a number of other countries, like many International institutions, demonstrators etc. etc. I am critical about the UK, my own country, when it steps out of line.

I went to an international school, have lived and worked in 3 different countries and speak 3 languages plus some Russian. From an early age I knew a large number of people from other countries, and this continued in all my years as a musician. To me

people are just people. Simple as that. Always has been, always will be.

Politics is a different matter. Anyone who isn't critical of politics has their head in the sand. Don't confuse the two. That's all.

Andy, there is a tendency to broaden the definition to such a degree that even calling a (fictional) dog 'Israel' has been said [by a Dutch politician and literary critic (RIP)] to be an antisemitic act.

Antisemitism is the belief that in general the world would be better off without Jews and anti-Zionism that in general the world would be better off without Israel.

It's clear that some believe that these problems have been solved and keep themselves busy by wishing a 'santo subito' for Israel.

Henk

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In article <09219f58-82e7-492d-9215-df8da732e4e3n@googlegroups.com>,
Andy Evans <performanceandmedia@gmail.com> wrote:

Herman......I laughed out loud and carried on for quite a while. It
really is as absurd as you say. I still can't stop laughing......

The part that isn't funny is that these are still real problems.
But that's really the point: To undermine legitimate concerns with
a bunch of crap.

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On 3/3/2023 2:11 PM, HT wrote:

Op vrijdag 3 maart 2023 om 16:52:47 UTC+1 schreef Andy Evans:

Listen carefully. Despite all the nonsense and lies that have been printed on threads here about my views:
- I am not antisemitic
- I am critical about the politics of Israel, like many International institutions and demonstrators in Tel Aviv itself

Let me put it another way - people are just people
- I am not anti Russians, anti Chinese, anti Americans or whatever people, as people
- I am critical about the politics of Russia, China, America and a number of other countries, like many International institutions, demonstrators etc. etc. I am critical about the UK, my own country, when it steps out of line.

I went to an international school, have lived and worked in 3 different countries and speak 3 languages plus some Russian. From an early age I knew a large number of people from other countries, and this continued in all my years as a musician. To me

people are just people. Simple as that. Always has been, always will be.

Politics is a different matter. Anyone who isn't critical of politics has their head in the sand. Don't confuse the two. That's all.

Andy, there is a tendency to broaden the definition to such a degree that even calling a (fictional) dog 'Israel' has been said [by a Dutch politician and literary critic (RIP)] to be an antisemitic act.

The accusation that significant number of Jews or other Israel supporters would call naming a dog "Israel" an antisemitic act is ridiculous. Leveling such a false charge knowingly, is in fact, antisemitic. What else could it be? Saying that Jews or
Zionists "always" claim that all criticism if Israel or its government is antisemitic or even anti-Zionist is equally false and potentially antisemitic.

Antisemitism is the belief that in general the world would be better off without Jews and anti-Zionism that in general the world would be better off without Israel.

It's clear that some believe that these problems have been solved and keep themselves busy by wishing a 'santo subito' for Israel.

Henk

I've never heard anyone, even the most ardent Zionist claim sainthood for Israel. Many consider the establishment, survival and success of Israel to be a revealed miracle. I don't know about that, not having been informed.

And before someone says, " there goes Berger again, talking about Israel," I didn't start it. I never do.

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On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 7:53:13 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:

On 3/3/2023 7:26 AM, Dan Koren wrote:

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:05:34 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad...
there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc.
Things you don't see. You should open your eyes;
Chabad people are not against civilisation

Chabad people are against secular civilization.
You don't seem to be able to get it through
your thick krautkopf head that the majority
of Jews in Israel are not religious and do
not want to live under a theocratic regime.

Do you define "theocratic regime" as any system
where the Rabbinate has any influence in political
life? There is zero chance that there will ever be a
theocratic regime in Israel, barring the arrival of the
Messiah.

A theocratic regime is a regime where a/the "church"
(regardless of its nature) can impose its dogmas on
ordinary citizens who do not subscribe to a particular
religion. Israel is clearly a theocratic regime, even if
not the only one on this planet.

and they don't want to force anything on anyone

You clearly don't know anything about how the
religious minority in Israel force the rest of the
population to abide by their medieval notions.

Generalization. I've asked orthodox Rabbis about
this and it seems to me most would not support a
theocracy.

It doesn't matter what the rabbis say -- what matters
is what they actually do in real life on the ground.

Can you explain why a couple should be barred
from marrying because the woman was divorced?

dk

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The accusation that significant number of Jews or other Israel supporters would call naming a dog "Israel" an antisemitic act is ridiculous. Leveling such a false charge knowingly, is in fact, antisemitic. What else could it be? Saying that Jews or

Zionists "always" claim that all criticism if Israel or its government is antisemitic or even anti-Zionist is equally false and potentially antisemitic.

You must be highly prejudiced against Jews, if you believe that they are the only ones crying "antisemite" at every opportunity. Marc S. is no Jew. Why do you believe that the politician and literary critic was a Jew? I have no idea. However, I do know
that he had a few followers - and It would surprise me if most, let alone all, were Jewish.

I've never heard anyone, even the most ardent Zionist claim sainthood for Israel. Many consider the establishment, survival and success of Israel to be a revealed miracle. I don't know about that, not having been informed.

Saints are beyond reproach. Some believe Israel is. I would appreciate it if it were but don't see it happen in the near future.

And before someone says, " there goes Berger again, talking about Israel," I didn't start it. I never do.

Indeed, you never start a fight - you don't end it either. But it's always a pleasure.

Henk

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On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 3:30:28 PM UTC-8, HT wrote:

Saints are beyond reproach. Some believe Israel is.

No one believes Israel is beyond reproach. Not even
Marc Schiss. You are making this up.

I would appreciate it if it were but don't see it happen
in the near future.

No one nation is beyond reproach, and none will ever be.

Israel is not perfect, but it is better than most. Don't you
find it intriguing (to say the least) that the same folks who
keep complaining about Israel's imperfections have nothing
to say about Iran, Russia, Myanmar, Afghanistan, Malaysia,
Syria, Turkey, or any of a number of South East Asian or
South American countries that are so much worse than
Israel in every respect? This is a textbook example of
social and political anti-semitism. Go lecture your
friends in Kabul.

dk

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On Saturday, 4 March 2023 at 01:21:06 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:

Israel is not perfect, but it is better than most. Don't you
find it intriguing (to say the least) that the same folks who
keep complaining about Israel's imperfections have nothing
to say about Iran, Russia, Myanmar, Afghanistan, Malaysia,
Syria, Turkey, or any of a number of South East Asian or
South American countries that are so much worse than
Israel in every respect?

Not in the least intriguing. Do we have to talk about the rest of the world in every post? Abuses in other countries are very well known and don't need pointing out with a big stick.

This is a textbook example of > social and political anti-semitism.

dk

Rubbish

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On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 1:41:10 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:

On Saturday, 4 March 2023 at 01:21:06 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:

Israel is not perfect, but it is better than most. Don't you
find it intriguing (to say the least) that the same folks who
keep complaining about Israel's imperfections have nothing
to say about Iran, Russia, Myanmar, Afghanistan, Malaysia,
Syria, Turkey, or any of a number of South East Asian or
South American countries that are so much worse than
Israel in every respect?

Not in the least intriguing. Do we have to talk about the rest
of the world in every post? Abuses in other countries are very
well known and don't need pointing out with a big stick.

Obviously the fact you and others are more preoccupied
with "abuses" in Israel than in other countries suggests a
bias that cannot simply be dismissed because those in
other countries are supposedly "well known". You are
just proving my point. This is classical, textbook
social and political antisemitism.

There is plenty of well documented anti-semitism
in the UK. Fix that first and then talk about Israel.

dk

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On Saturday, 4 March 2023 at 09:54:18 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:

Obviously the fact you and others are more preoccupied
with "abuses" in Israel than in other countries suggests a
bias that cannot simply be dismissed because those in
other countries are supposedly "well known". You are
just proving my point. This is classical, textbook
social and political antisemitism.
dk

Open your eyes to what's happening here. For months this ng has been flooded with endless posts about antisemitism from the TROLL Marc S, including incessant baseless accusations against me and many others. You have COLLUDED with this troll by answering
most of his posts. Meanwhile I and others with any sense in their heads have been trying to IGNORE this TROLL. The preoccupation with Israel is as much your doing as anyone elses.

For the rest of us this is BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING........

For God's sake start talking about ANYTHING else. Like abuses in Myanmar, since that clearly interests you.

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On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 2:54:11 AM UTC-8, HT wrote:

I would appreciate it if it were but don't see it happen
in the near future.

No one nation is beyond reproach, and none will ever be.

Good to hear you say that. There are people who are even
offended when a dog in a novel is named Israel.

I am offended by the very existence of dogs. Remember
gods work with and for the police. Cats do not.

Israel is not perfect, but it is better than most. Don't you
find it intriguing (to say the least) that the same folks who
keep complaining about Israel's imperfections have nothing
to say about Iran, Russia, Myanmar, Afghanistan, Malaysia,
Syria, Turkey, or any of a number of South East Asian or
South American countries that are so much worse than
Israel in every respect?

Why would you want us to look away from what happens
in Israel, in particular on the West Bank?

No one is looking away. And one should also look at what
happens in Israel when Arab terrorists blow up busses and
kill civilians.

And why that lame excuse: others are even worse than
we are ...

It is not an excuse, it is a diagnosis of social and political
anti-semitism. You, Andy and a few others spend far more
time criticizing Israel than any other nation. This particular
focus is a dead giveaway that you are fundamentally social
and political antisemites.

dk

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On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 2:06:34 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:

On Saturday, 4 March 2023 at 09:54:18 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:

Obviously the fact you and others are more preoccupied
with "abuses" in Israel than in other countries suggests a
bias that cannot simply be dismissed because those in
other countries are supposedly "well known". You are
just proving my point. This is classical, textbook
social and political antisemitism.

Open your eyes to what's happening here. For months this ng
has been flooded with endless posts about antisemitism from
the TROLL Marc S, including incessant baseless accusations
against me and many others. You have COLLUDED with this
troll by answering most of his posts. Meanwhile I and others
with any sense in their heads have been trying to IGNORE this
TROLL. The preoccupation with Israel is as much your doing as
anyone elses.

Is that surprising considering I am Israeli? There are others in
this ng who appear to be even more preoccupied with Israel
even though they have no skin in the game.

For the rest of us this is BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING,
BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING........

No one is preventing you or anyone else from posting about
other topics.

For God's sake start talking about ANYTHING else. Like abuses
in Myanmar, since that clearly interests you.

Let's have the group moderated. All your problems will go away.

dk

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On Saturday, 4 March 2023 at 11:05:29 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
You, Andy and a few others spend far more time criticizing Israel than any other nation. This particular

focus is a dead giveaway that you are fundamentally social
and political antisemites. > > dk

A complete non-sequitor. And anyway I've said virtually NOTHING about Israel on this ng other than saying it's not above criticism. All the unrelenting claptrap about antisemitism comes from you yourself and Marc S. If you and Marc S consider yourselves
to be the shop window for Israel, don't be surprised if you don't have any customers.

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I would appreciate it if it were but don't see it happen
in the near future.

No one nation is beyond reproach, and none will ever be.

Good to hear you say that. There are people who are even offended when a dog in a novel is named Israel.

Israel is not perfect, but it is better than most. Don't you
find it intriguing (to say the least) that the same folks who
keep complaining about Israel's imperfections have nothing
to say about Iran, Russia, Myanmar, Afghanistan, Malaysia,
Syria, Turkey, or any of a number of South East Asian or
South American countries that are so much worse than
Israel in every respect?

Why would you want us to look away from what happens in Israel, in particular on the West Bank? And why that lame excuse: others are even worse than we are ...

This is a textbook example of
social and political anti-semitism. Go lecture your
friends in Kabul.

From social-cultural to social-political? You read too many textbooks. As for my friend in Kabul, he sends you his greetings.

Henk

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It is not an excuse, it is a diagnosis of social and political
anti-semitism. You, Andy and a few others spend far more
time criticizing Israel than any other nation. This particular
focus is a dead giveaway that you are fundamentally social
and political antisemites.

An interesting quantitative definition of antisemitism: the more one focusses on Israel without being an Israeli the more antisemitic one is. This is a bad day for Marc S.
The definition also has a hidden meaning: it implies a condemnation of those who focus on the fate of Palestinians on the West Bank.
The bookish title social-political antisemitism is clearly an indication not to reproach Israel and to forget about the Palestinians.

You know that I won't do that. But if I ever take a dog, I won't call him Israel.

Henk

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On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 3:13:46 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:

On Saturday, 4 March 2023 at 11:05:29 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
You,

Andy and a few others spend far more time criticizing Israel
than any other nation. This particular focus is a dead giveaway
that you are fundamentally social and political antisemites.

A complete non-sequitor. And anyway I've said virtually NOTHING
about Israel on this ng other than saying it's not above criticism.
All the unrelenting claptrap about antisemitism comes from you
yourself and Marc S. If you and Marc S consider yourselves to be
the shop window for Israel, don't be surprised if you don't have any customers.

I am not looking for customers. Neither is Israel. Yet another example
of anti-semitic bias. And I do speak for Marc, or coordinate with him.

dk

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On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 11:06:34 AM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:

Open your eyes to what's happening here. For months this ng has been flooded with endless posts about antisemitism from the TROLL Marc S, including incessant baseless accusations against me and many others. You have COLLUDED with this troll by

answering most of his posts. Meanwhile I and others with any sense in their heads have been trying to IGNORE this TROLL. The preoccupation with Israel is as much your doing as anyone elses.

It's not collusion. DK is the instigator of this If You Don't Agree with Someone, Just Call Him an Anti-Semite.
The advice to "just start your own topic" is disingenous, like everything this racist piece of shit says.
This topic is titled Februari Stats. Not: let's discuss Israel or anti-semitism some more, with the nr 1 and 2 hate purveyors here.
Whoever starts a RMCR topic has experienced it will be hijacked by DK who wants the entire ng to be about him and his stupid preoccupations.
RMCR is just fucked, plain and simple.

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On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 10:54:18 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:

There is plenty of well documented anti-semitism
in the UK. Fix that first and then talk about Israel.

Some people are trying to "fix" racism here on RMCR, of which you are the main and most prolific perp.

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On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 4:11:44 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 10:54:18 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:

There is plenty of well documented anti-semitism
in the UK. Fix that first and then talk about Israel.

Some people are trying to "fix" racism here on RMCR,
of which you are the main and most prolific perp.

Nope. I am not trying to "fix" racism, only to expose it.
Racism is not fixable, or at least not in a short time.

For individual solutions, please see your physician.

dk

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On Saturday, 4 March 2023 at 12:10:16 UTC, Herman wrote:

Whoever starts a RMCR topic has experienced it will be hijacked by DK who wants the entire ng to be about him and his stupid preoccupations. RMCR is just fucked, plain and simple.

You're probably right. It needs more input from you, Ray, Owen, HT, Andrew and several others who have much to give to this sinking ship. Maybe the ship can be righted, maybe not.

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On 2023-03-04 11:24:09 +0000, HT said:

It is not an excuse, it is a diagnosis of social and political
anti-semitism. You, Andy and a few others spend far more
time criticizing Israel than any other nation. This particular
focus is a dead giveaway that you are fundamentally social
and political antisemites.

An interesting quantitative definition of antisemitism: the more one
focusses on Israel without being an Israeli the more antisemitic one
is. This is a bad day for Marc S.
The definition also has a hidden meaning: it implies a condemnation of
those who focus on the fate of Palestinians on the West Bank.
The bookish title social-political antisemitism is clearly an
indication not to reproach Israel and to forget about the Palestinians.

You know that I won't do that. But if I ever take a dog, I won't call
him Israel.

Henk

No! No!

His name's not Israel !!!!

It's ISHMAEL

Call him ISHMAEL !


-Owen

P.S. Here, puppy!

-O

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On 3/4/2023 12:27 PM, Owen Hartnett wrote:

On 2023-03-04 11:24:09 +0000, HT said:

It is not an excuse, it is a diagnosis of social and political
anti-semitism. You, Andy and a few others spend far more
time criticizing Israel than any other nation. This particular
focus is a dead giveaway that you are fundamentally social
and political antisemites.

An interesting quantitative definition of antisemitism: the more one focusses on Israel without being an Israeli the more antisemitic one is. This is a bad day for Marc S.

That's just silly; focuses on Israel in an exclusively negative way while ignoring atrocities elsewhere would be more the point.

The definition also has a hidden meaning: it implies a condemnation of those who focus on the fate of Palestinians on the West Bank.

Again, focuses on the suffering of Palestinians while ignoring that much of their suffering is a result of terrorism against Jews would be more exact. Several here have mentioned in multiple posts Israeli behavior in the West Bank especially, without
mentioning terrorism, as if Israel is not allowed to respond to it. My own feeling is that underneath this sort of attitude is the belief, that the West Bank (if not Israel proper) belongs to the Palestinians, has been, or is being, stolen by Israel,
and that terrorism is therefore understood, if not necessarily condoned, but is at least swept under the rug.

The bookish title social-political antisemitism is clearly an indication not to reproach Israel and to forget about the Palestinians.

You know that I won't do that. But if I ever take a dog, I won't call him Israel.

Henk

No!  No!

His name's not Israel  !!!!

It's ISHMAEL

Call him ISHMAEL !

-Owen

P.S.  Here, puppy!

-O

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On Saturday, 4 March 2023 at 22:05:29 UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 2:54:11 AM UTC-8, HT wrote:

I would appreciate it if it were but don't see it happen
in the near future.

No one nation is beyond reproach, and none will ever be.

Good to hear you say that. There are people who are even
offended when a dog in a novel is named Israel.

I am offended by the very existence of dogs. Remember
gods work with and for the police. Cats do not.

Because they are far too dumb. Dogs are far smarter and far more amenable, and useful, as animals. You are entitled to your views, but it flies in the face of reality, and is a rather asinine statement. I'd like to think it was a rhetorical bit of
silliness. Dogs also help people and organisations in a multitude of ways, from the beginning of time, besides acting as animal companions.

Ray Hall, Taree

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On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 10:24:22 PM UTC-8, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, 4 March 2023 at 22:05:29 UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 2:54:11 AM UTC-8, HT wrote:

I would appreciate it if it were but don't see it happen
in the near future.

No one nation is beyond reproach, and none will ever be.

Good to hear you say that. There are people who are even
offended when a dog in a novel is named Israel.

I am offended by the very existence of dogs. Remember
dogs work with and for the police. Cats do not.

Because they are far too dumb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8QtsyNXvFg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kJHaLs8lRc

You should see the piano challenge! ;-)

Dogs are far smarter and far more amenable, and
useful, as animals.

Dogs follow people. Cats follow no one.

You are entitled to your views, but it flies in the face
of reality, and is a rather asinine statement.

It was a feline statement.

I'd like to think it was a rhetorical bit of silliness. Dogs
also help people and organisations in a multitude of
ways, from the beginning of time, besides acting as
animal companions.

Cats were (and still are) worshipped as gods/godesses
by more than one civilization. Does anyone worship dogs?

Dogs may be useful helpers, however cats made civilization
possible.

dk

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Dear Frank,

Typical reasoning. Do I have to look at other atrocities in the world before I can say something is an atrocity? How would that work in practice?

Zionism does not need to be defended. It is a solution to an essential problem. The fact is that, like any solution, it creates new problems. It depends on how one deals with those.

One person's terrorism is another person's fight for freedom. Usually the rule of proportionality counts. The question is whether Israel's actions are proportionate. On that we probably differ.

By the way, we are having this discussion not because of Israel, but because colleagues have been accused of anti-Semitism based on a stretched, limitless definition of it (an oxymoron). Such accusations serve no cause except one's self-righteousness.

Henk

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On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 12:22:10 PM UTC+1, HT wrote:

Dear Frank,

Typical reasoning. Do I have to look at other atrocities in the world before I can say something is an atrocity? How would that work in practice?

Also, we are pouring countless billions into Ukraine, to fight the atrocities Russia is committing, and that's just one thing.

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On 3/5/2023 6:22 AM, HT wrote:

Dear Frank,

Typical reasoning.

Typical of what? Me? Zionists? A poor argument, if that's what it is supposed to be.


Do I have to look at other atrocities in the world before I can say something is an atrocity? How would that work in practice?


A person who specializes in criticizing Israeli behavior to the exclusion of that of any other country is a suspect for antisemitism. I don't even see how one could argue otherwise.
I'm not talking about you or anyone in particular, except probably Roger Waters.

Zionism does not need to be defended. It is a solution to an essential problem.

Of course it needs to be defended. You mean I don't need to defend it to you? That was not my intent. I never suspected or hinted that you are in any way an antisemite.

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Op zondag 5 maart 2023 om 15:12:06 UTC+1 schreef Frank Berger:

On 3/5/2023 6:22 AM, HT wrote:

Dear Frank,

Typical reasoning.

Typical of what? Me? Zionists? A poor argument, if that's what it is supposed to be.

Thanks for your post, Frank.

<g> No, it's not personally but objectively typical: it's a typical fallacy. Just misguided reasoning.

A person who specializes in criticizing Israeli behavior to the exclusion of that of any other country is a suspect for antisemitism. I don't even see how one could argue otherwise.

I know people who criticize only Russia, only the US, China, the Netherlands. They don't believe the world would be better off without these countries, they just want a change.
Concentrating one's criticism on one subject is quite normal behaviour. There is no reason for someone who wants the war in Ukraine to end, to first condemn Guantánamo Bay, the genocide of the Uighurs and the treatment of asylum seekers in the
Netherlands. (Where to stop?) To call all critics who fail to do so anti-(fill in the name) would be misrepresenting their views. Other criteria must be met before one can say that they believe that the world would be better off without these countries.

Of course it needs to be defended. You mean I don't need to defend it to you? That was not my intent. I never suspected or hinted that you are in any way an antisemite.

You have a point. The situation at this side of the Mediterranean and the situation in Israel aren't quite comparable - if only because Zionism still needs to be defended.

Henk

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On 3/5/2023 12:01 PM, HT wrote:

Op zondag 5 maart 2023 om 15:12:06 UTC+1 schreef Frank Berger:

On 3/5/2023 6:22 AM, HT wrote:

Dear Frank,

Typical reasoning.

Typical of what? Me? Zionists? A poor argument, if that's what it is supposed to be.

Thanks for your post, Frank.

<g> No, it's not personally but objectively typical: it's a typical fallacy. Just misguided reasoning.

You really need to explain this kind of statement, not just say it (I'm not even sure what you are referring to) is misguided.

A person who specializes in criticizing Israeli behavior to the exclusion of that of any other country is a suspect for antisemitism. I don't even see how one could argue otherwise.

I know people who criticize only Russia, only the US, China, the Netherlands. They don't believe the world would be better off without these countries, they just want a change.
Concentrating one's criticism on one subject is quite normal behaviour. There is no reason for someone who wants the war in Ukraine to end, to first condemn Guantánamo Bay, the genocide of the Uighurs and the treatment of asylum seekers in the

Netherlands. (Where to stop?) To call all critics who fail to do so anti-(fill in the name) would be misrepresenting their views.

I said "suspect." Coming to back to what I said before. Everyone knows antisemitism exists, but it seems there are no actual antisemites.



Other criteria must be met before one can say that they believe that the world would be better off without these countries.

Of course it needs to be defended. You mean I don't need to defend it to you? That was not my intent. I never suspected or hinted that you are in any way an antisemite.

You have a point. The situation at this side of the Mediterranean and the situation in Israel aren't quite comparable - if only because Zionism still needs to be defended.

Henk

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On 3/5/2023 1:37 PM, Frank Berger wrote:

On 3/5/2023 12:01 PM, HT wrote:

Op zondag 5 maart 2023 om 15:12:06 UTC+1 schreef Frank Berger:

On 3/5/2023 6:22 AM, HT wrote:

Dear Frank,

Typical reasoning.

Typical of what? Me? Zionists? A poor argument, if that's what it is supposed to be.

Thanks for your post, Frank.

<g> No, it's not personally but objectively typical: it's a typical fallacy. Just misguided reasoning.

You really need to explain this kind of statement,  not just say it (I'm not even sure what you are referring to) is misguided.

A person who specializes in criticizing Israeli behavior to the exclusion of that of any other country is a suspect for antisemitism. I don't even see how one could argue otherwise.

I know people who criticize only Russia, only the US, China, the Netherlands. They don't believe the world would be better off without these countries, they just want a change.
Concentrating one's criticism on one subject is quite normal behaviour. There is no reason for someone who wants the war in Ukraine to end, to first condemn Guantánamo Bay, the genocide of the Uighurs and the treatment of asylum seekers in the

Netherlands. (Where to stop?) To call all critics who fail to do so anti-(fill in the name) would be misrepresenting their views.

I said "suspect."  Coming to back to what I said before. Everyone knows antisemitism exists, but it seems there are no actual antisemites.

 Other criteria must be met before one can say that they believe that the world would be better off without these countries.

Of course it needs to be defended. You mean I don't need to defend it to you? That was not my intent. I never suspected or hinted that you are in any way an antisemite.

You have a point. The situation at this side of the Mediterranean and the situation in Israel aren't quite comparable - if only because Zionism still needs to be defended.

Henk

I think the Left thinks antisemitsm exists only on the far right.

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On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 7:41:53 PM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:

On 3/5/2023 1:37 PM, Frank Berger wrote:

On 3/5/2023 12:01 PM, HT wrote:

Op zondag 5 maart 2023 om 15:12:06 UTC+1 schreef Frank Berger:

On 3/5/2023 6:22 AM, HT wrote:

Dear Frank,

Typical reasoning.

Typical of what? Me? Zionists? A poor argument, if that's what it is supposed to be.

Thanks for your post, Frank.

<g> No, it's not personally but objectively typical: it's a typical fallacy. Just misguided reasoning.

You really need to explain this kind of statement, not just say it (I'm not even sure what you are referring to) is misguided.

A person who specializes in criticizing Israeli behavior to the exclusion of that of any other country is a suspect for antisemitism. I don't even see how one could argue otherwise.

I know people who criticize only Russia, only the US, China, the Netherlands. They don't believe the world would be better off without these countries, they just want a change.
Concentrating one's criticism on one subject is quite normal behaviour. There is no reason for someone who wants the war in Ukraine to end, to first condemn Guantánamo Bay, the genocide of the Uighurs and the treatment of asylum seekers in the

Netherlands. (Where to stop?) To call all critics who fail to do so anti-(fill in the name) would be misrepresenting their views.

I said "suspect." Coming to back to what I said before. Everyone knows antisemitism exists, but it seems there are no actual antisemites.

Other criteria must be met before one can say that they believe that the world would be better off without these countries.

Of course it needs to be defended. You mean I don't need to defend it to you? That was not my intent. I never suspected or hinted that you are in any way an antisemite.

You have a point. The situation at this side of the Mediterranean and the situation in Israel aren't quite comparable - if only because Zionism still needs to be defended.

Henk

I think the Left thinks antisemitsm exists only on the far right.

Google Corbyn and Labour

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On 3/5/2023 1:46 PM, Herman wrote:

On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 7:41:53 PM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:

On 3/5/2023 1:37 PM, Frank Berger wrote:

On 3/5/2023 12:01 PM, HT wrote:

Op zondag 5 maart 2023 om 15:12:06 UTC+1 schreef Frank Berger:

On 3/5/2023 6:22 AM, HT wrote:

Dear Frank,

Typical reasoning.

Typical of what? Me? Zionists? A poor argument, if that's what it is supposed to be.

Thanks for your post, Frank.

<g> No, it's not personally but objectively typical: it's a typical fallacy. Just misguided reasoning.

You really need to explain this kind of statement, not just say it (I'm not even sure what you are referring to) is misguided.

A person who specializes in criticizing Israeli behavior to the exclusion of that of any other country is a suspect for antisemitism. I don't even see how one could argue otherwise.

I know people who criticize only Russia, only the US, China, the Netherlands. They don't believe the world would be better off without these countries, they just want a change.
Concentrating one's criticism on one subject is quite normal behaviour. There is no reason for someone who wants the war in Ukraine to end, to first condemn Guantánamo Bay, the genocide of the Uighurs and the treatment of asylum seekers in the

Netherlands. (Where to stop?) To call all critics who fail to do so anti-(fill in the name) would be misrepresenting their views.

I said "suspect." Coming to back to what I said before. Everyone knows antisemitism exists, but it seems there are no actual antisemites.



Other criteria must be met before one can say that they believe that the world would be better off without these countries.

Of course it needs to be defended. You mean I don't need to defend it to you? That was not my intent. I never suspected or hinted that you are in any way an antisemite.

You have a point. The situation at this side of the Mediterranean and the situation in Israel aren't quite comparable - if only because Zionism still needs to be defended.

Henk

I think the Left thinks antisemitsm exists only on the far right.

Google Corbyn and Labour

Not necessary.

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Op zondag 5 maart 2023 om 19:38:09 UTC+1 schreef Frank Berger:

You really need to explain this kind of statement, not just say it (I'm not even sure what you are referring to) is misguided.

Misguided is the belief that my violation of human rights may only be condemned if the violations of human rights perpetrated by others are condemned. It is called "whataboutism".

I said "suspect." Coming to back to what I said before. Everyone knows antisemitism exists, but it seems there are no actual antisemites.

This is another example of misguided reasoning. Everyone knows that there are elephants but when I walk along the canal in my neighborhood I don't see any. I may accept that or stretch my definition of elephants to such lengths that I do meet a few.
Perhaps the rabbi in New York saw it right. I paraphrase: "Much has changed. Non-Jews now suddenly want to be Jews. Who could have imagined that in the last 2000 years?"

Henk

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Op zondag 5 maart 2023 om 19:41:53 UTC+1 schreef Frank Berger:

I think the Left thinks antisemitism exists only on the far right.

I don't think so. Nor do I think that antisemitism exists only on the left. There are different forms of antisemitism. It has different backgrounds. What all forms have in common is that they are based on the belief that in general the world would be
better off without ...

The same goes for racism, homophobia, etc. If a Church (whatever its denomination) believes that the world would be better off without homosexuals it is homophobic, even if it decides to treat homosexuals kindly.

Henk

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On 3/5/2023 3:33 PM, HT wrote:

Op zondag 5 maart 2023 om 19:38:09 UTC+1 schreef Frank Berger:

You really need to explain this kind of statement, not just say it (I'm not even sure what you are referring to) is misguided.

Misguided is the belief that my violation of human rights may only be condemned if the violations of human rights perpetrated by others are condemned. It is called "whataboutism".

I said "suspect." Coming to back to what I said before. Everyone knows antisemitism exists, but it seems there are no actual antisemites.

This is another example of misguided reasoning. Everyone knows that there are elephants but when I walk along the canal in my neighborhood I don't see any. I may accept that or stretch my definition of elephants to such lengths that I do meet a few.
Perhaps the rabbi in New York saw it right. I paraphrase: "Much has changed. Non-Jews now suddenly want to be Jews. Who could have imagined that in the last 2000 years?"

OK, I guess in trying to identify antisemitsm, we have wait for actual crimes to occur. Tell that to the security people. There was an incident Madison, Wisconsin (my wife's home town) a few years ago, where swastiskas were painted on Jewish homes.
The police spokesperson said it was too soon tell if it was hate crime. Again, antisemitism but no antisemites.

Henk

Google "Jews" or "Israel." You won't find a lot of gentiles clamoring to be Jews. There have always been (when legal) conversions into and out of Judaism. I don't know the rabbi you refer to or if his comment holds water. I do see the world's
relation to Jews (and Israel) becoming sort of more bipolar. Sure you have conservative Christians supporting Israel (but mainly because of some theology that doesn't include Jews remaining Jews). You have secular Jews hating rather than tolerating
religious Jews. You have a country like Hungary, whose government is one of the most supportive of Israel, but where there is rampant antisemitism among the people. You have Jews abandoning religion in droves at the same time as a resurgence in
orthodoxy.

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On 3/5/2023 3:51 PM, HT wrote:

Op zondag 5 maart 2023 om 19:41:53 UTC+1 schreef Frank Berger:

I think the Left thinks antisemitism exists only on the far right.

I don't think so. Nor do I think that antisemitism exists only on the left. There are different forms of antisemitism. It has different backgrounds. What all forms have in common is that they are based on the belief that in general the world would be

better off without ...

The same goes for racism, homophobia, etc. If a Church (whatever its denomination) believes that the world would be better off without homosexuals it is homophobic, even if it decides to treat homosexuals kindly.

I think this a tautology, or close. Suppose a baker doesn't care if there are homosexuals, or at least doesn't hate them, but doesn't want to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple. He wishes them no harm, but doesn't want to be seen as supporting gay
marriage. Is he homophobic? Does it matter if a person's or group's "bias" doesn't include hate? Should the baker be forced to bake the cake?

Henk

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OK, I guess in trying to identify antisemitsm, we have wait for actual crimes to occur. Tell that to the security people. There was an incident Madison, Wisconsin (my wife's home town) a few years ago, where swastiskas were painted on Jewish homes. The

police spokesperson said it was too soon tell if it was hate crime. Again, antisemitism but no antisemites.

Didn't the police catch the guys who did it?

Google "Jews" or "Israel." You won't find a lot of gentiles clamoring to be Jews. There have always been (when legal) conversions into and out of Judaism. I don't know the rabbi you refer to or if his comment holds water. I do see the world's relation

to Jews (and Israel) becoming sort of more bipolar. Sure you have conservative Christians supporting Israel (but mainly because of some theology that doesn't include Jews remaining Jews). You have secular Jews hating rather than tolerating religious Jews.
You have a country like Hungary, whose government is one of the most supportive of Israel, but where there is rampant antisemitism among the people. You have Jews abandoning religion in droves at the same time as a resurgence in orthodoxy.

It is complex. That implies that there must also a bright side - somewhere, somehow ... I wouldn't dismiss the rabbi from New York too quickly.

Henk

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On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 1:33:02 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:

Suppose a baker doesn't care if there are homosexuals, or at least
doesn't hate them, but doesn't want to bake a wedding cake for a
gay couple. He wishes them no harm, but doesn't want to be seen
as supporting gay marriage. Is he homophobic? Does it matter if a
person's or group's "bias" doesn't include hate? Should the baker be
forced to bake the cake?

IMHO any business that provides a paid service to the public should
abide by all the laws in the jurisdiction where the service is provided, including anti-discrimination laws. Otherwise anti-discrimination law
becomes impotent in a largely privately owned economy.

No loopholes should be tolerated that would allow this to happen.
That case is no different than denying service to people of color,
or to disabled persons, or to 3 year olds.

dk

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Op zondag 5 maart 2023 om 22:33:02 UTC+1 schreef Frank Berger:

I think this a tautology, or close. Suppose a baker doesn't care if there are homosexuals, or at least doesn't hate them, but doesn't want to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple. He wishes them no harm, but doesn't want to be seen as supporting gay

marriage. Is he homophobic? Does it matter if a person's or group's "bias" doesn't include hate? Should the baker be forced to bake the cake?

You have to treat all equally, even if you believe that the world would be better off without some. That's a ground rule. There may be exceptions, but that's for governments to decide, not bakers.

Henk

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On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 3:20:15 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:

Suppose a skinhead wearing a t-shirt that says "Jews are Vermin"
walks into a bakery and wants a cake. Is the baker obligated to
serve them? The answer is no, as I understand it, because right
wing extremists are not a protected class in civil rights legislation.

Sans legislation, people would be able to refuse service to anyone
they choose not to serve. This may make them assholes or bigots
or whatever, but it would be legal. Civil rights legislation came along
in the 60s and specified groups against whom you couldn't discriminate
(for anything? Or some things? Not sure, actually). If the people, via their legislators choose to designate LGBTQIA+ as protected, then that is the
will of the people and the law should be enforced. Not otherwise. So the degree of abhorrence of a particular group by the electorate will vary from person to person won't it? You won't see child molesters included in such legislation, ever. Well, I suppose the government could pass a broad law at some point saying retailers, landlords, etc, can not discriminate at all, on any basis. Applications could be made only electronically so people couldn't discriminate on the basis of the normal things that are protected and also smell, size, intelligence. Maybe a landlord shouldn't be able to discriminate
on the basis of the rental applicant's ability to pay. Some for mortgages. Just give one to anyone. Wait, we tried that already.

Your argument is disingenous and profoundly dishonest. It focuses on minutiae and tries to obscur the fundamental issue. Discrimination for
a number of reasons -- e.g. ethnic and religious preferences, gender,
age and sexual preferences -- is outlawed at the federal level. No
explicit, narrowing distinctions should be needed for "LGBTQIA+"
or for any other subcategories.

This is so fundamental that "the people" shoud not be allowed
to approve, disprove, challenge or revoke any part of it. What if
"the people" (whomever they are, wherever they are) decided
Jews (or green colored people, or long haired cats) do not
have the same rights as everyone else? If one follows your
argument to its logical conclusion, that would be OK. Did
you forget that some years ago "the people" had laws that
limited the rights of people of color? The fundamental flaw
in your argument is that "the people" have the right to deny
rights to other people, rather than just recognize everyone's
rights.

Please see your rabbi immediately and ask him to slap you
in your face.

dk

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On 3/5/2023 6:46 PM, Dan Koren wrote:

On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 3:20:15 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:

Suppose a skinhead wearing a t-shirt that says "Jews are Vermin"
walks into a bakery and wants a cake. Is the baker obligated to
serve them? The answer is no, as I understand it, because right
wing extremists are not a protected class in civil rights legislation.

Sans legislation, people would be able to refuse service to anyone
they choose not to serve. This may make them assholes or bigots
or whatever, but it would be legal. Civil rights legislation came along
in the 60s and specified groups against whom you couldn't discriminate
(for anything? Or some things? Not sure, actually). If the people, via their >> legislators choose to designate LGBTQIA+ as protected, then that is the
will of the people and the law should be enforced. Not otherwise. So the
degree of abhorrence of a particular group by the electorate will vary from >> person to person won't it? You won't see child molesters included in such
legislation, ever. Well, I suppose the government could pass a broad law at >> some point saying retailers, landlords, etc, can not discriminate at all, on >> any basis. Applications could be made only electronically so people couldn't >> discriminate on the basis of the normal things that are protected and also >> smell, size, intelligence. Maybe a landlord shouldn't be able to discriminate
on the basis of the rental applicant's ability to pay. Some for mortgages. >> Just give one to anyone. Wait, we tried that already.

Your argument is disingenous and profoundly dishonest. It focuses on
minutiae and tries to obscur the fundamental issue. Discrimination for
a number of reasons -- e.g. ethnic and religious preferences, gender,
age and sexual preferences -- is outlawed at the federal level. No
explicit, narrowing distinctions should be needed for "LGBTQIA+"
or for any other subcategories.

Apparently the legal apparatus had to work that out as it was not decided until SCOTUS so decided in 2020. I can discriminate against ugly people because they are not protected in the legislation. Pior to this decision it was legal in about half the
states to fire someone, for example, simply for being gay or transgender.

You don't seem to understand that groups are protected at the federal level only if they are identified in the legislation (SCOTUS decided that gays, etc. were covered under the protection against sex discrimination, meant initially to protect females.
As you are wont do to, you may think I am against protection of the LGB.... people. I am not. Neither was the conservative court that so ruled (2 dissentions).

You frequently conflate what you think is right with what is.

This is so fundamental that "the people" shoud not be allowed
to approve, disprove, challenge or revoke any part of it. What if
"the people" (whomever they are, wherever they are) decided
Jews (or green colored people, or long haired cats) do not
have the same rights as everyone else? If one follows your
argument to its logical conclusion, that would be OK. Did
you forget that some years ago "the people" had laws that
limited the rights of people of color? The fundamental flaw
in your argument is that "the people" have the right to deny
rights to other people, rather than just recognize everyone's
rights.

Repeating that only groups explicitly or implicitly mentioned in the legislation are protected, I may agree I should not discriminate against ugly people or cat owners as matter of ethics, but that is not necessarily the law.

Please see your rabbi immediately and ask him to slap you
in your face.

dk

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Just as a general reminder:

Henk, Andy and Herman are antisemites - Take some of their comments about Israel to the IHRA and the IHRA will tell you that these comments are indeed antisemitic.

It does not matter what I think, it does not matter what 82 year old Frank thinks, or what Henk, Andy and Herman think. What matters is what people think who are involved in this topic. It's just that not one person here wants to be sincere or learn more
(Henk, Herman, Andy and also Frank to a degree) about this - Henk seems to believe he is "up to date" (hahaha); instead people here make jokes about discussing antisemitism seriously, which only shows how ignorant they are about themselves and this
matter.

Where is Richard Schultz? Where is Willem Orange? ...

It also doesn't matter if Henk, Andy and Herman don't mean bad, since they are unwilling to reflect on their mistakes and understand what is antisemitic about their statements - if you say somthing antisemitic => you are an antisemite; very simple. Frank
is also an absolute idiot here (from what I read); be like Frank and antisemitism will only foster.

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Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 6. März 2023 um 00:46:43 UTC+1:

Please see your rabbi immediately and ask him to slap you
in your face.

I think you should join the Goyim Defense League - they also have zero respect for Rabbis.

Just recently they harrassed a Chabad community in South Orlando, Los Angeles:

"Leave our country"
"Heil Hitler"
"Jews were expelled from 1000 countries, there is a reason to this"

And the police car which was around the corner did not do anything against these antisemites...

https://forward.com/fast-forward/537336/orlando-chabad-harassed-by-antisemitic-hate-group/

https://twitter.com/BaruchSandhaus/status/1628429760622743553?s=20

dk

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On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 9:29:12 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 6. März 2023 um 00:46:43 UTC+1:

Please see your rabbi immediately and ask him to slap
you in your face.

I think you should join the Goyim Defense League - they
also have zero respect for Rabbis.

I have zero respect for clergy -- regardless of religion. Had I
replied to someone other than Frank I would have inserted
the appropriate denomination.

dk

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On 3/6/2023 8:25 AM, Dan Koren wrote:

On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 9:20:18 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Just as a general reminder:

Henk, Andy and Herman are antisemites -

You left me out of this august liszt? What
did I do? Or not do?!? I ask the question....

Take some of their comments about Israel
to the IHRA and the IHRA will tell you that
these comments are indeed antisemitic.

One does not need validation by 3rd parties.

It does not matter what I think, it does not
matter what 82 year old

not close

Frank thinks, or what

Henk, Andy and Herman think.

You left me out of the liszt again? What does
it mean? Are you implying my opinion matters?
Or at least at does not dis-matter? That would
be very high praise indeed for a physicist! ;-)

dk

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On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 9:20:18 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Just as a general reminder:

Henk, Andy and Herman are antisemites -

You left me out of this august liszt? What
did I do? Or not do?!? I ask the question....

Take some of their comments about Israel
to the IHRA and the IHRA will tell you that
these comments are indeed antisemitic.

One does not need validation by 3rd parties.

It does not matter what I think, it does not
matter what 82 year old Frank thinks, or what
Henk, Andy and Herman think.

You left me out of the liszt again? What does
it mean? Are you implying my opinion matters?
Or at least at does not dis-matter? That would
be very high praise indeed for a physicist! ;-)

dk

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BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING,

We've had months and months of these stupid and endless "antisemite" posts. They're slanderous, libellous, and basically just plain wrong. Please put an end to it. All this is

BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING,

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On 3/6/2023 9:25 AM, Andy Evans wrote:

BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING,

We've had months and months of these stupid and endless "antisemite" posts. They're slanderous, libellous, and basically just plain wrong. Please put an end to it. All this is

BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING,

Get a grip.

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On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 14:27:40 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:

Get a grip.

You, Marc S and Dan Koren can individually and collectively fuck off. I've had months and months of insults and I'm done with all three of you.

I was never an antisemite but I can assure you that your collective aggressive name calling makes me sorely tempted. I have to keep reminding myself that there are people outside this forum who have nothing to do with the bullying and garbage that goes
on here, and will keep on going on here because none of you are going to learn, open your eyes or change.

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Frank Berger schrieb am Montag, 6. März 2023 um 14:43:10 UTC+1:

On 3/6/2023 8:25 AM, Dan Koren wrote:

On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 9:20:18 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Just as a general reminder:

Henk, Andy and Herman are antisemites -

You left me out of this august liszt? What
did I do? Or not do?!? I ask the question....

Take some of their comments about Israel
to the IHRA and the IHRA will tell you that
these comments are indeed antisemitic.

One does not need validation by 3rd parties.

It does not matter what I think, it does not
matter what 82 year old

not close
Frank thinks, or what

Henk, Andy and Herman think.

You left me out of the liszt again? What does
it mean? Are you implying my opinion matters?
Or at least at does not dis-matter? That would
be very high praise indeed for a physicist! ;-)

dk

*context

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On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 16:00:49 UTC, Marc S wrote:
blah blah blah... rubbish deleted.

OK so what do you want me to do in response to months of posts about my so-called “antisemitism”?

Do you want me to spend the next 3 months calling you, Dan and Frank “racists” for your continued aggression towards anyone who doesn’t buy your particular views on the Israeli state?

Do you want me to add “and, of course racists like Frank, Dan and Marc would…..blah blah blah” to every thread about anything?

Because I assure you that’s what’s happening right now.

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Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 6. März 2023 um 13:40:51 UTC+1:

On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 9:29:12 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 6. März 2023 um 00:46:43 UTC+1:

Please see your rabbi immediately and ask him to slap
you in your face.

I think you should join the Goyim Defense League - they
also have zero respect for Rabbis.

I have zero respect for clergy -- regardless of religion. Had I
replied to someone other than Frank I would have inserted
the appropriate denomination.

dk

You have zero respect, or rather a disregard for what is human. The need for belief is human. I believe most of the Chabad Rabbis to be more cultured and civilised than you are.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

You should be defending your people, instead of adding further fuel to fire. These people are no ignorants; during the shoah they risked their lifes to save Jews, they kept their history alive over thousands of years, they don't force anyone to be like
them, and they have a sharp eye for reality. In the Torah and in the writings of the Rabbis there is a lot of wisdom to be found; one does not need to believe in it in order to see this.

There is also a difference between clergy as religious ideologies are different from each other and therefore affect humans differently.

The Chabad Rabbis are mostly very well informed about politics, antisemitism etc. Dalai Lama is not, the Pope is not - they are ignorants; similar to you.

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Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 6. März 2023 um 14:26:01 UTC+1:

On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 9:20:18 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

Just as a general reminder:

Henk, Andy and Herman are antisemites -

You left me out of this august liszt? What
did I do? Or not do?!? I ask the question....

You still defend Israel when it comes down to it, but what you said about "Rabies" was antisemitic as well, and this makes you an antisemite.

The thing is, imo you are troubled. It's mindboggling to me that you can't see what you are doing with what you are writing.

Take some of their comments about Israel
to the IHRA and the IHRA will tell you that
these comments are indeed antisemitic.

One does not need validation by 3rd parties.

Well, that's true, but only if one understands what antisemtism is, how it is defined etc - an understanding in psychology also helps; you mostly go by "feelings", the way you worded things to Herman (not saying everything was wrong), shows that you are
not really knowledgeable about this topic (not saying you have absolutely no knowledge, but no "academic" knowledge about antisemtiism - now you will say "I don't need one because I am a Jew and I know it"... well... you still need to able to put your
feelings into words; you need to understand antisemitism concretely - and not just the most extreme forms of antisemitic behaviour, but the behaviour that leads to the most extreme forms and how this is related... how demonizing Netanyahu and Chabad is
related to the antisemitic incident I posted above, and how you are adding further fuel to fire.). People who are knowledgeable about this topic just handle this differently - that's my experience.

It does not matter what I think, it does not
matter what 82 year old Frank thinks, or what
Henk, Andy and Herman think.

You left me out of the liszt again? What does
it mean? Are you implying my opinion matters?
Or at least at does not dis-matter? That would
be very high praise indeed for a physicist! ;-)

dk

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On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 16:21:55 UTC, Marc S wrote:

rubbish deleted as usual....

OK - so if you want to go on name calling that's what you, Frank and Dan will get back.

Oh - I forgot to say "racists like you, Frank and Dan"

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In article <79c204ec-d5bd-40da-865c-43d33e25c437n@googlegroups.com>,
Andy Evans <performanceandmedia@gmail.com> wrote:

I see no reason why we have to accept this kind of behaviour.

I'm not actually sure what accepting it looks like versus not
accepting it, but we don't have to take these comments seriously....

I don't know if the perpetrators think they're being clever ....

"Marc S" definitely thinks he's being clever. And it did take him
a few tries to get a really good troll going here, but he stuck
with it, and now look. So in that sense, he's a very successful
person/bot, and I'm sure he's proud.

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On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 6:50:07 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:

On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 17:32:44 UTC, Todd M. McComb wrote:

Do note that there are plenty of people *inside* this forum who do
not participate in these topics. Unfortunately, I cannot include
myself, since I've been making posts such as this.... However, it
really is only a few people who pursue these topics.

Thanks Todd. This name calling on the ng has gone on and on and on to the point where I feel like vomiting when I read yet another post accusing whoever of antisemitism. I see no reason why we have to accept this kind of behaviour. It's simply

unacceptable. I don't know if the perpetrators think they're being clever about displaying their vast knowledge of what is or isn't in the definition, but the truth is they're all behaving like badly behaved 9 year old kids. Astonishing.

The main problem is that these people have more time to carpet-post their crap than people who don't post crap.
So in effect RMCR is getting overwhelmed by crap, which makes Rational Frank's 'post something productive' completely useless.
RMCR hasn't got a chance.

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On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 17:32:44 UTC, Todd M. McComb wrote:

Do note that there are plenty of people *inside* this forum who do
not participate in these topics. Unfortunately, I cannot include
myself, since I've been making posts such as this.... However, it
really is only a few people who pursue these topics.

Thanks Todd. This name calling on the ng has gone on and on and on to the point where I feel like vomiting when I read yet another post accusing whoever of antisemitism. I see no reason why we have to accept this kind of behaviour. It's simply
unacceptable. I don't know if the perpetrators think they're being clever about displaying their vast knowledge of what is or isn't in the definition, but the truth is they're all behaving like badly behaved 9 year old kids. Astonishing.

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In article <0e488974-8597-41b2-ba87-cac0644d5cd2n@googlegroups.com>,
Andy Evans <performanceandmedia@gmail.com> wrote:

I have to keep reminding myself that there are people outside this
forum who have nothing to do with the bullying and garbage that
goes on here ....

Do note that there are plenty of people *inside* this forum who do
not participate in these topics. Unfortunately, I cannot include
myself, since I've been making posts such as this.... However, it
really is only a few people who pursue these topics.

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On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 17:58:25 UTC, Herman wrote:

The main problem is that these people have more time to carpet-post their crap than people who don't post crap.
So in effect RMCR is getting overwhelmed by crap, which makes Rational Frank's 'post something productive' completely useless.
RMCR hasn't got a chance.

When the reality is surreal, one escape is into the surreal itself. This happened at the end of WW1 when surrealism flourished in response to the atrocities that had been committed by the so-called bastions of European culture.

So I'm all for the "acte gratuite" on this ng. Utterly unmotivated behaviour that defies normal explanations. No point in being sensible any more.....

Or to put it in engineering terms, rubbish in, rubbish out. Who cares any more.

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On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 7:21:27 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:

Or to put it in engineering terms, rubbish in, rubbish out. Who cares any more.

well, I got things to do. There are a couple of people out here I like, but I'm not sure I should be spending too much time getting rubbished and rubbishing back.

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On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 18:31:52 UTC, Herman wrote:

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 7:21:27 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:

There are a couple of people out here I like, but I'm not sure I should be spending too much time getting rubbished and rubbishing back.

I'm sure you're right. There are decent people on this ng including yourself, Melmoth and gggg despite the names you all get called.

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On 3/6/2023 9:36 AM, Andy Evans wrote:

On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 14:27:40 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:

Get a grip.

You, Marc S and Dan Koren can individually and collectively fuck off. I've had months and months of insults and I'm done with all three of you.

I was never an antisemite but I can assure you that your collective aggressive name calling makes me sorely tempted. I have to keep reminding myself that there are people outside this forum who >have nothing to do with the bullying and garbage that

goes on here, and will keep on going on here because none of you are going to learn, open your eyes or change.

Hmm. Interesting that you lump me in with Dan and Marc S (whose posts I only read accidentally). As far as I know, I have never called you a name, aggressively or otherwise. I don't even have negative feelings towards you, despite our disagreements
on many things. You know well that you have on more than one occasion flipped your lid at me and subsequently apologized. I don't know that I care if you do it again.

When I said "Get a grip" I meant it for your benefit. I recommend you quit RMCR, if what you see here upsets you so much. Why beat your head against a wall? Or at least, simply stop reading the posts that upset you.

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On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 20:34:57 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:

When I said "Get a grip" I meant it for your benefit. I recommend you quit RMCR, if what you see here upsets you so much. Why beat your head against a wall? Or at least, simply stop reading the posts that upset you.

People who call me names are never going to make me quit a newsgroup. Not going to happen.

If you want to continue good relations, stop calling people antisemitic and stop contributing to posts about antisemitism. People have had enough.

As you say, "I mean it for your benefit". Make the world a happier place.

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Op maandag 6 maart 2023 om 17:47:48 UTC+1 schreef Andy Evans:

Dear Andy,

You deleted the part where Marc S says to DK (an anti-Semite, according to Marc S) that he needs to be more professional (tougher) in railing against anti-Semites. Otherwise they will never see the light and never love the regime in Israel.

Marc mentions us by name. Whether we are actually anti-Semites is irrelevant. He has "knowledge" of an educational authority and of the fact that it would certainly condemn us.

In my opinion, there is no reason to take this seriously, let alone feel threatened, hurt or offended by it. The spirit has taken possession of Marc S, now we must wait for his intellect to take over.

Weird is Dan's ambiguous attitude. He allows himself to be called anti-Semite (and worse) by Marc S and turns that malady into a cure by calling us anti-Semites.

This is probably too light-hearted a description of the situation. Unlike you and Herman, I like Dan and Marc (irresponsible as they sometimes are). That makes a difference, I suppose.

Henk

PS I hope this will be me last post on the subject. I'm tired of it. Too many people I like are involved in a dirty fight.

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On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 20:44:36 UTC, HT wrote:

Henk

PS I hope this will be me last post on the subject. I'm tired of it. Too many people I like are involved in a dirty fight.

Thanks for reaching out, Henk. I'm sick of all the name calling. I never want to see the word "antisemite" again on this ng. It's time all the name calling stopped. I'm a very easy going and tolerant guy but there are limits. And I hate bullies in any
shape or form.

But thanks again. I appreciate it.

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On 3/6/2023 3:50 PM, Andy Evans wrote:

On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 20:34:57 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:

When I said "Get a grip" I meant it for your benefit. I recommend you quit RMCR, if what you see here upsets you so much. Why beat your head against a wall? Or at least, simply stop reading the posts that upset you.

People who call me names are never going to make me quit a newsgroup. Not going to happen.

If you want to continue good relations, stop calling people antisemitic and stop contributing to posts about antisemitism. People have had enough.

Who did I call antisemitic?

As you say, "I mean it for your benefit". Make the world a happier place.

I.E., make you happier. Reduce YOUR boredom, boredom, boredom....

I taught my kids (or tried) not to say things like, "That's disgusting," or I suppose, "That's boring" and the like because those are universal statements that are true for the speaker, but not necessarily anyone else. In fact, it's sort of insulting to
those who disagree as it doesn't allow for reasonable disagreement. It seems rather juvenile to tell people to stop talking about stuff that you find boring. Better rail at them to stop discussing non-musical topics.

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On 3/6/2023 3:55 PM, Andy Evans wrote:

On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 20:44:36 UTC, HT wrote:

Henk

PS I hope this will be me last post on the subject. I'm tired of it. Too many people I like are involved in a dirty fight.

Thanks for reaching out, Henk. I'm sick of all the name calling. I never want to see the word "antisemite" again on this ng.

Good luck with that. Why would anyone care that you want that? This isn't your personal space.


It's time all the name calling stopped.

You accused me of calling you an antisemite. I did not. Considering how personally offended people get being called antisemites, I consider this name-calling by you.

I'm a very easy going and tolerant guy but there are limits.

Which you comfortable setting.


And I hate bullies in any shape or form.

Bully for you.

But thanks again. I appreciate it.

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On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 23:00:10 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:

You accused me of calling you an antisemite. I did not. Considering how personally offended people get being called antisemites, I consider this name-calling by you........

What was that word again... anti something? Does it mean anything? Should I know about it?

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On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 00:17:37 UTC, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:

Andy, if the village idiot and chief clown keeps calling you names, just remember to take your own advice, and ignore him/her. Eventually they might get professional psychological help, but I wouldn't necessarily hold my breath. But it is clear to me

that they need help badly.

Ray Hall, Taree

Hello Ray! Always good to hear from you. You're probably right.

But this endless name calling has gone on for months and I just want to make it perfectly clear that it needs to stop. It's not acceptable and I won't accept it. Enough.

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On 3/6/2023 6:55 PM, Andy Evans wrote:

On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 23:00:10 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:

You accused me of calling you an antisemite. I did not. Considering how personally offended people get being called antisemites, I consider this name-calling by you........

What was that word again... anti something? Does it mean anything? Should I know about it?

Show me where I called you an antisemite, before I start calling you a liar.

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On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 04:50:07 UTC+11, Andy Evans wrote:

On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 17:32:44 UTC, Todd M. McComb wrote:

Do note that there are plenty of people *inside* this forum who do
not participate in these topics. Unfortunately, I cannot include
myself, since I've been making posts such as this.... However, it
really is only a few people who pursue these topics.

Thanks Todd. This name calling on the ng has gone on and on and on to the point where I feel like vomiting when I read yet another post accusing whoever of antisemitism. I see no reason why we have to accept this kind of behaviour. It's simply

unacceptable. I don't know if the perpetrators think they're being clever about displaying their vast knowledge of what is or isn't in the definition, but the truth is they're all behaving like badly behaved 9 year old kids. Astonishing.

Andy, if the village idiot and chief clown keeps calling you names, just remember to take your own advice, and ignore him/her. Eventually they might get professional psychological help, but I wouldn't necessarily hold my breath. But it is clear to me
that they need help badly.

Ray Hall, Taree

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On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 03:47:29 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:

But this endless name calling has gone on for months and
I just want to make it perfectly clear that it needs to stop.
It's not acceptable and I won't accept it. Enough.

Then why do you object to having the group moderated?
dk

I never said anything one way or the other about the group being moderated.

Moderate yourself and the question won't arise.

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On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 4:29:44 PM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:

On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 00:17:37 UTC, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:

Andy, if the village idiot and chief clown keeps calling you names,
just remember to take your own advice, and ignore him/her.
Eventually they might get professional psychological help,
but I wouldn't necessarily hold my breath. But it is clear
to me that they need help badly.

Hello Ray! Always good to hear from you. You're probably right.

But this endless name calling has gone on for months and
I just want to make it perfectly clear that it needs to stop.
It's not acceptable and I won't accept it. Enough.

Then why do you object to having the group moderated?

You sound like a kid who keeps complaing about a fever
and a sore throat while refusing to take cough syrup.

dk

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On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 8:05:54 PM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:

On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 03:47:29 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:

But this endless name calling has gone on for months and
I just want to make it perfectly clear that it needs to stop.
It's not acceptable and I won't accept it. Enough.

Then why do you object to having the group moderated?

I never said anything one way or the other about the group being moderated.

Then say something.

Moderate yourself and the question won't arise.

Nope. We can either have a moderated group based
on an actionable enforceable agreement, or one that
is free in every sense of the word. We can't have it
both ways. We all have different boundaries and
different notions of what is acceptable behavior
and what isn't. Show me one instance in 5000
years of history where self moderation and/or
self restraint solved a single conflict -- and I
will show you another planet.

dk



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On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 5:05:54 AM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:

On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 03:47:29 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:

But this endless name calling has gone on for months and
I just want to make it perfectly clear that it needs to stop.
It's not acceptable and I won't accept it. Enough.

Then why do you object to having the group moderated?
dk

I never said anything one way or the other about the group being moderated.

Moderate yourself and the question won't arise.

These DK questions are 100% disingenuous.
He knows RMCR is per definition unmoderated, so it'll never happen.
And he'll be able to continue till he's the last man standing.

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On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 06:27:04 UTC, Herman wrote:

These DK questions are 100% disingenuous.
He knows RMCR is per definition unmoderated, so it'll never happen.
And he'll be able to continue till he's the last man standing.

That sounds about right to me. So looks like the name calling continues.........

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On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 10:27:04 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 5:05:54 AM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:

On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 03:47:29 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:

But this endless name calling has gone on for months and
I just want to make it perfectly clear that it needs to stop.
It's not acceptable and I won't accept it. Enough.

Then why do you object to having the group moderated?

I never said anything one way or the other about the group being moderated.

Moderate yourself and the question won't arise.

These DK questions are 100% disingenuous.
He knows RMCR is per definition unmoderated,

There is no "definition" that makes RMCR
unmoderated or unmoderable. Why don't
you stop spreading nonsense and hate?

so it'll never happen.

It can happen as soon as we draft a
plan and take a vote. This isn't rocket
science.

dk

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On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 9:31:27 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 10:27:04 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 5:05:54 AM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:

On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 03:47:29 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:

But this endless name calling has gone on for months and
I just want to make it perfectly clear that it needs to stop.
It's not acceptable and I won't accept it. Enough.

Then why do you object to having the group moderated?

I never said anything one way or the other about the group being moderated.

Moderate yourself and the question won't arise.

These DK questions are 100% disingenuous.
He knows RMCR is per definition unmoderated,

There is no "definition" that makes RMCR
unmoderated or unmoderable. Why don't
you stop spreading nonsense and hate?

so it'll never happen.

It can happen as soon as we draft a
plan and take a vote. This isn't rocket
science.

dk

Does rmcr need a moderator or THIS?:

https://giphy.com/clips/puppybowl-puppy-bowl-xviii-18-dw0CzCA2UB2CvkO24O

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On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 9:58:25 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:

RMCR hasn't got a chance.

Moderate, moderate, moderate.

dk

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On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 9:31:27 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 10:27:04 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 5:05:54 AM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:

On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 03:47:29 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:

But this endless name calling has gone on for months and
I just want to make it perfectly clear that it needs to stop.
It's not acceptable and I won't accept it. Enough.

Then why do you object to having the group moderated?

I never said anything one way or the other about the group being moderated.

Moderate yourself and the question won't arise.

These DK questions are 100% disingenuous.
He knows RMCR is per definition unmoderated,

There is no "definition" that makes RMCR
unmoderated or unmoderable. Why don't
you stop spreading nonsense and hate?

so it'll never happen.

It can happen as soon as we draft a
plan and take a vote. This isn't rocket
science.

dk

Does rmcr need a moderator or THIS?:

https://giphy.com/clips/puppybowl-puppy-bowl-xviii-18-dw0CzCA2UB2CvkO24O

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On 2023-03-09 05:41:10 +0000, Dan Koren said:

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 9:58:25 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:

RMCR hasn't got a chance.

Moderate, moderate, moderate.

dk

Moderation will be the death of RMCR.


-Owen

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On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:08:50 AM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:

On 2023-03-09 05:41:10 +0000, Dan Koren said:

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 9:58:25 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:

RMCR hasn't got a chance.

Moderate, moderate, moderate.

Moderation will be the death of RMCR.

Can you explain why and how?

TIA

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On 2023-03-09 18:10:22 +0000, Dan Koren said:

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:08:50 AM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:

On 2023-03-09 05:41:10 +0000, Dan Koren said:>> > On Monday, March 6,
2023 at 9:58:25 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:> >>> >> RMCR hasn't got a
chance.> >> > Moderate, moderate, moderate.>
Moderation will be the death of RMCR.>

Can you explain why and how?

TIA

Because:

1) most of the posts currently made to the group would be excised by a responsible moderator (including mine!)

2) Finding a capable and unbiased moderator would be difficult. It's a thankless position, much like a baseball umpire, except there's no pay
(unless someone wants to finance it -- minimum wage laws may apply).

3) This group is still thriving, unlike much of usenet. Even spam
posts barely appear anymore. The daily traffic level is currently
good. Less posts == less things to talk about.

4) Use of a killfile is better and more effective.

-Owen

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Op donderdag 9 maart 2023 om 22:07:49 UTC+1 schreef Owen Hartnett:

On 2023-03-09 18:10:22 +0000, Dan Koren said:

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:08:50 AM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:

On 2023-03-09 05:41:10 +0000, Dan Koren said:>> > On Monday, March 6,
2023 at 9:58:25 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:> >>> >> RMCR hasn't got a
chance.> >> > Moderate, moderate, moderate.>
Moderation will be the death of RMCR.>

Can you explain why and how?

TIA

Because:

1) most of the posts currently made to the group would be excised by a responsible moderator (including mine!)

2) Finding a capable and unbiased moderator would be difficult. It's a thankless position, much like a baseball umpire, except there's no pay (unless someone wants to finance it -- minimum wage laws may apply).

3) This group is still thriving, unlike much of usenet. Even spam
posts barely appear anymore. The daily traffic level is currently
good. Less posts == less things to talk about.

4) Use of a killfile is better and more effective.

Excellent explanation!

Henk

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On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:07:49 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:

On 2023-03-09 18:10:22 +0000, Dan Koren said:

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:08:50 AM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:

On 2023-03-09 05:41:10 +0000, Dan Koren said:>> > On Monday, March 6,
2023 at 9:58:25 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:> >>> >> RMCR hasn't got a
chance.> >> > Moderate, moderate, moderate.>
Moderation will be the death of RMCR.>

Can you explain why and how?

TIA

Because:

1) most of the posts currently made to the
group would be excised by a responsible
moderator (including mine!)

It all depends on what rules we agree upon.

There can be multiple moderators. It would
be impractical, and in fact stupid, to have a
single moderator.

2) Finding a capable and unbiased moderator
would be difficult. It's a thankless position,
much like a baseball umpire, except there's
no pay (unless someone wants to finance it
-- minimum wage laws may apply).

Read above. Applying a well defined framework
is an almost mechanical task. Moderators apply
rules, they don't rely on personal bias. If in doubt,
send the article back to the author to rewrite. It
is really simple.

3) This group is still thriving, unlike much of
usenet. Even spam posts barely appear anymore.
The daily traffic level is currently good. Less posts
== less things to talk about.

Please don't pull the Safeway act on us. "Fewer",
not "Less". Learn English. Otherwise, this last
comment is non sequitur.

4) Use of a killfile is better and more effective.

No, because killfiles apply to posters rather than
topics.

dk

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Dan Koren a pr�sent� l'�nonc� suivant :

No, because killfiles apply to posters rather than
topics.

With *MESNEWS*, you can filter messages according to _any_ condition:

https://www.cjoint.com/c/MCkcxfIChPl

For example, filter all messages sent on April 4th 2021 by dk and
containing the word "jew"...

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On Friday, 10 March 2023 at 13:26:47 UTC+11, MELMOTH wrote:

Dan Koren a présenté l'énoncé suivant :

No, because killfiles apply to posters rather than
topics.

With *MESNEWS*, you can filter messages according to _any_ condition:

https://www.cjoint.com/c/MCkcxfIChPl

For example, filter all messages sent on April 4th 2021 by dk and
containing the word "jew"...

DK is a long way away from the record. For the record.

Ray Hall, Taree

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On 2023-03-09 22:07:10 +0000, Dan Koren said:

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:07:49 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:

On 2023-03-09 18:10:22 +0000, Dan Koren said:>> > On Thursday, March 9,
2023 at 10:08:50 AM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:> >> On 2023-03-09
05:41:10 +0000, Dan Koren said:>> > On Monday, March 6,> >> 2023 at
9:58:25 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:> >>> >> RMCR hasn't got a> >> chance.>

Moderate, moderate, moderate.>> >> Moderation will be the death of

RMCR.>> > Can you explain why and how?> >> > TIA

Because:>> 1) most of the posts currently made to the> group would be
excised by a responsible> moderator (including mine!)

It all depends on what rules we agree upon.

So we're suddenly all have to agree? You're stretching here. That
hasn't happened yet!

There can be multiple moderators. It wouldbe impractical, and in fact
stupid, to have a
single moderator.

While I admit that many of the regulars here are surrounding retirement
age, I doubt that we could field a reliable crew who wish to spend any
part of their lives at this point, editing and fighting with posters
whose posts didn't make the grade.

2) Finding a capable and unbiased moderator> would be difficult. It's a
thankless position,> much like a baseball umpire, except there's> no
pay (unless someone wants to finance it> -- minimum wage laws may
apply).

Read above. Applying a well defined frameworkis an almost mechanical
task. Moderators applyrules, they don't rely on personal bias. If in doubt,send the article back to the author to rewrite. Itis really
simple.

Rules without ambiguity? Maybe ChatGPT could moderate us? Perhaps you
should spin off a test moderated group, and see how well you fare?

3) This group is still thriving, unlike much of> usenet. Even spam
posts barely appear anymore.> The daily traffic level is currently
good. Less posts> == less things to talk about.

Please don't pull the Safeway act on us. "Fewer",
not "Less". Learn English. Otherwise, this lastcomment is non sequitur.

The most wonderful thing about grammar/usage-shaming is that they
almost invariably make some mistake in their own post. There is no
such word as "lastcomment," but there is a "last comment."

Regardless, (I almost wrote irregardless, just for fun), moderation
can only result in fewer posts. People can get discouraged and just go
away if they hate the moderator du jour.

I love the anarchic, wild west internet. We see (read?) people at
their full colors, immoderate (note nifty pun!), and free of filters.

A quote from Matt Taibbi about an unrelated manner:
"The original promise of the Internet was that it might democratize the exchange of information globally. A free internet would overwhelm all
attempts to control information flow, its very existence a threat to anti-democratic forms of government everywhere."

4) Use of a killfile is better and more effective.

No, because killfiles apply to posters rather thantopics.

With all the topic creep we have here? (including this post!)

Any "rule" involving topics would tend to be ambiguous. The reader is
invited to create examples.

-Owen

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On Saturday, 11 March 2023 at 03:29:09 UTC+11, Owen Hartnett wrote:

On 2023-03-09 22:07:10 +0000, Dan Koren said:

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:07:49 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:

On 2023-03-09 18:10:22 +0000, Dan Koren said:>> > On Thursday, March 9, >> 2023 at 10:08:50 AM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:> >> On 2023-03-09
05:41:10 +0000, Dan Koren said:>> > On Monday, March 6,> >> 2023 at
9:58:25 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:> >>> >> RMCR hasn't got a> >> chance.> >> >> > Moderate, moderate, moderate.>> >> Moderation will be the death of >> RMCR.>> > Can you explain why and how?> >> > TIA

Because:>> 1) most of the posts currently made to the> group would be
excised by a responsible> moderator (including mine!)

It all depends on what rules we agree upon.

So we're suddenly all have to agree? You're stretching here. That
hasn't happened yet!

There can be multiple moderators. It wouldbe impractical, and in fact stupid, to have a
single moderator.

While I admit that many of the regulars here are surrounding retirement
age, I doubt that we could field a reliable crew who wish to spend any
part of their lives at this point, editing and fighting with posters
whose posts didn't make the grade.

2) Finding a capable and unbiased moderator> would be difficult. It's a >> thankless position,> much like a baseball umpire, except there's> no
pay (unless someone wants to finance it> -- minimum wage laws may
apply).

Read above. Applying a well defined frameworkis an almost mechanical
task. Moderators applyrules, they don't rely on personal bias. If in doubt,send the article back to the author to rewrite. Itis really
simple.

Rules without ambiguity? Maybe ChatGPT could moderate us? Perhaps you
should spin off a test moderated group, and see how well you fare?

3) This group is still thriving, unlike much of> usenet. Even spam
posts barely appear anymore.> The daily traffic level is currently
good. Less posts> == less things to talk about.

Please don't pull the Safeway act on us. "Fewer",
not "Less". Learn English. Otherwise, this lastcomment is non sequitur.

The most wonderful thing about grammar/usage-shaming is that they
almost invariably make some mistake in their own post. There is no
such word as "lastcomment," but there is a "last comment."

Regardless, (I almost wrote irregardless, just for fun), moderation
can only result in fewer posts. People can get discouraged and just go
away if they hate the moderator du jour.

I love the anarchic, wild west internet. We see (read?) people at
their full colors, immoderate (note nifty pun!), and free of filters.

A quote from Matt Taibbi about an unrelated manner:
"The original promise of the Internet was that it might democratize the exchange of information globally. A free internet would overwhelm all attempts to control information flow, its very existence a threat to anti-democratic forms of government everywhere."

4) Use of a killfile is better and more effective.

No, because killfiles apply to posters rather thantopics.

With all the topic creep we have here? (including this post!)

Any "rule" involving topics would tend to be ambiguous. The reader is invited to create examples.

-Owen

Moderation of a social group is akin to death of the group. A ludicrous idea.

Ray Hall, Taree

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On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 8:29:09 AM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:

On 2023-03-09 22:07:10 +0000, Dan Koren said:

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:07:49 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:

On 2023-03-09 18:10:22 +0000, Dan Koren said:>> > On Thursday, March 9, >> 2023 at 10:08:50 AM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:> >> On 2023-03-09
05:41:10 +0000, Dan Koren said:>> > On Monday, March 6,> >> 2023 at
9:58:25 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:> >>> >> RMCR hasn't got a> >> chance.> >> >> > Moderate, moderate, moderate.>> >> Moderation will be the death of >> RMCR.>> > Can you explain why and how?> >> > TIA

Because:>> 1) most of the posts currently made to the> group would be
excised by a responsible> moderator (including mine!)

It all depends on what rules we agree upon.

So we're suddenly all have to agree? You're
stretching here. That hasn't happened yet!

We do not have to ALL agree. Just a sufficient
number to vote in the groups's charter. Do you
remember how elections work?

There can be multiple moderators. It would
be impractical, and in fact stupid, to have a
single moderator.

While I admit that many of the regulars here are
surrounding retirement age, I doubt that we could
field a reliable crew who wish to spend any part of
their lives at this point, editing and fighting with
posters whose posts didn't make the grade.

Why don't you speak for just yourself? There are
probably a few people in this ng who would be
delighted to volunteer to moderate the group.
Just off the top of my head, Melmoth, Marc,
Herman, Oscar and Gerard would find this a
great opportunity to impose their views on
others! ;-)

2) Finding a capable and unbiased moderator
would be difficult. It's a thankless position,
much like a baseball umpire, except there's
no pay (unless someone wants to finance it
-- minimum wage laws may apply).

Read above. Applying a well defined frameworkis an
almost mechanical task. Moderators apply rules, they
don't rely on personal bias. If in doubt, send the article
back to the author to rewrite. It is really simple.

Rules without ambiguity? Maybe ChatGPT could

Can you point out the "ambiguity" in "no political
topics"? Your are either playing dumb, or you are
dumb.

moderate us? Perhaps you should spin off a test
moderated group, and see how well you fare?

There are already plenty of moderated groups
that work pretty well, both within the general
internet framewok or on sites such as Reddit
or Discord.

3) This group is still thriving, unlike much of
usenet. Even spam posts barely appear anymore.
The daily traffic level is currently good. Less posts
== less things to talk about.

Please don't pull the Safeway act on us. "Fewer",
not "Less". Learn English. Otherwise, this lastcomment is non sequitur.

The most wonderful thing about grammar/usage-shaming is that they
almost invariably make some mistake in their own post. There is no
such word as "lastcomment," but there is a "last comment."

Regardless, (I almost wrote irregardless, just for fun),
moderation can only result in fewer posts. People can
get discouraged and just go away if they hate the
moderator du jour.

I love the anarchic, wild west internet. We see (read?)
people at their full colors, immoderate (note nifty pun!),
and free of filters.

If that's the case, don't complain when people post
articles you or others find offensive or insulting.

Have you ever been called a bigoted, retarded,
hyperconservative, ultrareactionary, brainfucked
imbecile? Now you have.

A quote from Matt Taibbi about an unrelated manner:
"The original promise of the Internet was that it might
democratize the exchange of information globally. A
free internet would overwhelm all attempts to control
information flow, its very existence a threat to
anti-democratic forms of government everywhere."

The converse is also equally true. A free internet also
provides the ability to flood the world with falsehood,
misinformation, hatred and prejudice.

4) Use of a killfile is better and more effective.

No, because killfiles apply to posters rather thantopics.

With all the topic creep we have here? (including this post!)

Any "rule" involving topics would tend to be ambiguous.
The reader is invited to create examples.

Are you playing dumb again? What is "ambiguous"
about "no politics"? Or about "no marimbas"?

dk

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On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 6:25:48 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:

Have you ever been called a bigoted, retarded,
hyperconservative, ultrareactionary, brainfucked
imbecile? Now you have.

https://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/B0006IU7JK/ref=sr_1_1?gclid=Cj0KCQiAx6ugBhCcARIsAGNmMbjfLsZwjbzvwOfsWVNDFMJEsgRARXh99PUufKVJk12htJbfPVRt-2gaAoqdEALw_wcB&hvadid=267869286942&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=1013768&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=
11938332450554334281&hvtargid=kwd-298652170742&hydadcr=22593_10348166&keywords=how-win-friends-influence-people&qid=1678506336&sr=8-1

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On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:47:30 PM UTC-8, Paul Alsing wrote:

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 6:25:48 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:

Have you ever been called a bigoted, retarded,
hyperconservative, ultrareactionary, brainfucked
imbecile? Now you have.

https://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/B0006IU7JK/

Thanks! That was only an example! ;-)
I am not trying to influence anyone.

dk

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On Saturday, 11 March 2023 at 15:46:15 UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 6:00:06 PM UTC-8, raymond....gmail.com wrote:

Moderation of a social group is akin to
death of the group. A ludicrous idea.

Can you provide any real life examples?
How about Reddit or Discord? There
seem to be plenty of thriving groups
under their respective umbrellas that
do not appear at all to be dead.

dk

I do not know about Reddit or Discord, so cannot say. My feelings are personal only. I know of baseball and soccer forums that are moderated, but then in these groups the topic is very confined, where only baseball or soccer is discussed. Are you saying
that ONLY classical music should be discussed? And no disagreements? Doesn't music embrace a lot more than music?

Ray Hall, Taree

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On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 6:00:06 PM UTC-8, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:

Moderation of a social group is akin to
death of the group. A ludicrous idea.

Can you provide any real life examples?
How about Reddit or Discord? There
seem to be plenty of thriving groups
under their respective umbrellas that
do not appear at all to be dead.

dk

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On 2023-03-11 02:25:45 +0000, Dan Koren said:

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 8:29:09 AM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:

It all depends on what rules we agree upon.

So we're suddenly all have to agree? You're> stretching here. That
hasn't happened yet!

We do not have to ALL agree. Just a sufficientnumber to vote in the
groups's charter. Do youremember how elections work?

I presume you're planning to write the charter?

There can be multiple moderators. It would> > be impractical, and in
fact stupid, to have a> > single moderator.

While I admit that many of the regulars here are> surrounding
retirement age, I doubt that we could> field a reliable crew who wish
to spend any part of> their lives at this point, editing and fighting
with> posters whose posts didn't make the grade.

Why don't you speak for just yourself? There areprobably a few people
in this ng who would bedelighted to volunteer to moderate the group.
Just off the top of my head, Melmoth, Marc,Herman, Oscar and Gerard
would find this agreat opportunity to impose their views onothers! ;-)

I doubt that few of the posts currently in this group would get by that phalanx! I think Gerard would be the toughest, but he'd no longer be
able to post his synthesis of Melmoth's monthly STATS, and I would miss
that!

Can you point out the "ambiguity" in "no politicaltopics"? Your are
either playing dumb, or you aredumb.

You've written computer code. You know the difference between
ambiguous and non-ambigous languages. Is English (or French, or
German, etc.) ambiguous?

moderate us? Perhaps you should spin off a test> moderated group, and
see how well you fare?

There are already plenty of moderated groupsthat work pretty well, both within the generalinternet framewok or on sites such as Redditor
Discord.

Then why are you still here? You know that, in a moderated group, odds
are good that 75% of the posts you currently make will be rejected,
including this one?

3) This group is still thriving, unlike much of
usenet. Even spam posts barely appear anymore.
The daily traffic level is currently good. Less posts
== less things to talk about.> >

Please don't pull the Safeway act on us. "Fewer",> > not "Less". Learn
English. Otherwise, this lastcomment is non sequitur.

The most wonderful thing about grammar/usage-shaming is that they>
almost invariably make some mistake in their own post. There is no>
such word as "lastcomment," but there is a "last comment.">>
Regardless, (I almost wrote irregardless, just for fun),> moderation
can only result in fewer posts. People can> get discouraged and just go
away if they hate the> moderator du jour.>> I love the anarchic, wild
west internet. We see (read?)> people at their full colors, immoderate
(note nifty pun!),> and free of filters.

If that's the case, don't complain when people postarticles you or
others find offensive or insulting.

I don't recall having complained, except maybe gggg gggg's fecundity.
But I killfiled him so problem solved.

Have you ever been called a bigoted, retarded,hyperconservative, ultrareactionary, brainfuckedimbecile? Now you have.

I've been in this newsgroup about as long as you have. I'm sure you
must have already bestowed your usual knighthood on me. If I'm wrong,
well, thanks for having me join the club!

A quote from Matt Taibbi about an unrelated manner:> "The original
promise of the Internet was that it might
democratize the exchange of information globally. A> free internet
would overwhelm all attempts to control> information flow, its very
existence a threat to> anti-democratic forms of government everywhere."

The converse is also equally true. A free internet alsoprovides the
ability to flood the world with falsehood,misinformation, hatred and prejudice.

So which of the statements is more of a threat to free speech?

People can make their own observations on what is true, and what is
hate, and what is prejudice based on hearing all sides of the story.
I'm for letting people show their true colors. When you start
cancelling speech, you only get one side of the story.

-Owen

P.S. Perhaps you'd like the official usenet stance of changing groups
from unmoderated to moderated?

from: https://www.big-8.org/wiki/Changing_the_Moderation_Status_of_Existing_Groups


From unmoderated to moderated.
Changing a group from unmoderated to moderated is "strongly
discouraged" - which, in practice, means "practically impossible."

• There are many News Service Providers who would not make the change.
Some people would see a moderated group, others with different NSPs >>>>>> would see the moderated version.
• Such changes in the past have cultivated massive resentments. >>>>>> Leaving the original group intact and creating a companion moderated >>>>>> group allows group members to have a choice between the two different >>>>>> kinds of newsgroups on the same topic.
• In all likelihood, the board won't even publish an RFD to change a
group from unmoderated to moderated. A proposal for such a change
should not be submitted unless the group finds a way to demonstrate >>>>>> virtual unanimity. We strongly recommend that you instead spend your >>>>>> effort on learning how to use filters or how to create a moderated >>>>>> companion to the original group.

-Owen
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<p class="p1">On 2023-03-11 02:25:45 +0000, Dan Koren said:</p>
<p class="p2"><br></p>
<p class="p3">On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 8:29:09<span class="s1"> </span>AM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:</p>
<p class="p4">It all depends on what rules we agree upon.</p>
<p class="p5"><br></p>
<p class="p6">So we're suddenly all have to agree? You're&gt; stretching here. That hasn't happened yet!</p>
<p class="p7">We do not have to ALL agree. Just a sufficientnumber to vote in the groups's charter. Do youremember how elections work?</p>
<p class="p8"><br></p>
<p class="p9">I presume you're planning to write the charter?</p>
<p class="p8"><br></p>
<p class="p10"><br></p>
<p class="p4">There can be multiple moderators. It would&gt; &gt; be impractical, and in fact stupid, to have a&gt; &gt; single moderator.</p>
<p class="p5"><br></p>
<p class="p6">While I admit that many of the regulars here are&gt; surrounding retirement age, I doubt that we could&gt; field a reliable crew who wish to spend any part of&gt; their lives at this point, editing and fighting with&gt; posters whose posts
didn't make the grade.</p>
<p class="p10"><br></p>
<p class="p7">Why don't you speak for just yourself? There areprobably a few people in this ng who would bedelighted to volunteer to moderate the group.</p>
<p class="p7">Just off the top of my head, Melmoth, Marc,Herman, Oscar and Gerard would find this agreat opportunity to impose their views onothers! ;-)</p>
<p class="p8"><br></p>
<p class="p9">I doubt that few of the posts currently in this group would get by that phalanx!<span class="Apple-converted-space">  </span>I think Gerard would be the toughest, but he'd no longer be able to post his synthesis of Melmoth's monthly STATS,
and I would miss that!</p>
<p class="p8"><br></p>
<p class="p7">Can you point out the "ambiguity" in "no politicaltopics"? Your are either playing dumb, or you aredumb.</p>
<p class="p8"><br></p>
<p class="p9">You've written computer code.<span class="Apple-converted-space">  </span>You know the difference between ambiguous and non-ambigous languages.<span class="Apple-converted-space">  </span>Is English (or French, or German, etc.) ambiguous?<

<p class="p10"><br></p>
<p class="p6">moderate us? Perhaps you should spin off a test&gt; moderated group, and see how well you fare?</p>
<p class="p10"><br></p>
<p class="p7">There are already plenty of moderated groupsthat work pretty well, both within the generalinternet framewok or on sites such as Redditor Discord.</p>
<p class="p8"><br></p>
<p class="p9">Then why are you still here?<span class="Apple-converted-space">  </span>You know that, in a moderated group, odds are good that 75% of the posts you currently make will be rejected, including this one?</p>
<p class="p10"><br></p>
<p class="p11">3) This group is still thriving, unlike much of</p>
<p class="p11">usenet. Even spam posts barely appear anymore.</p>
<p class="p11">The daily traffic level is currently good. Less posts</p>
<p class="p11">== less things to talk about.&gt; &gt;</p>
<p class="p4">Please don't pull the Safeway act on us. "Fewer",&gt; &gt; not "Less". Learn English. Otherwise, this lastcomment is non sequitur.</p>
<p class="p6">The most wonderful thing about grammar/usage-shaming is that they&gt; almost invariably make some mistake in their own post. There is no&gt; such word as "lastcomment," but there is a "last comment."&gt;&gt; Regardless, (I almost wrote
irregardless, just for fun),&gt; moderation can only result in fewer posts. People can&gt; get discouraged and just go away if they hate the&gt; moderator du jour.&gt;&gt; I love the anarchic, wild west internet. We see (read?)&gt; people at their full
colors, immoderate (note nifty pun!),&gt; and free of filters.</p>
<p class="p7">If that's the case, don't complain when people postarticles you or others find offensive or insulting.</p>
<p class="p8"><br></p>
<p class="p9">I don't recall having complained, except maybe gggg gggg's fecundity.<span class="Apple-converted-space">  </span>But I killfiled him so problem solved.</p>
<p class="p8"><br></p>
<p class="p7">Have you ever been called a bigoted, retarded,hyperconservative, ultrareactionary, brainfuckedimbecile? Now you have.</p>
<p class="p8"><br></p>
<p class="p9">I've been in this newsgroup about as long as you have.<span class="Apple-converted-space">  </span>I'm sure you must have already bestowed your usual knighthood on me.<span class="Apple-converted-space">  </span>If I'm wrong, well, thanks
for having me join the club!<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p> <p class="p10"><br></p>
<p class="p6">A quote from Matt Taibbi about an unrelated manner:&gt; "The original promise of the Internet was that it might</p>
<p class="p6">democratize the exchange of information globally. A&gt; free internet would overwhelm all attempts to control&gt; information flow, its very existence a threat to&gt; anti-democratic forms of government everywhere."</p>
<p class="p10"><br></p>
<p class="p7">The converse is also equally true. A free internet alsoprovides the ability to flood the world with falsehood,misinformation, hatred and prejudice.</p>
<p class="p8"><br></p>
<p class="p9">So which of the statements is more of a threat to free speech?</p>
<p class="p8"><br></p>
<p class="p9">People can make their own observations on what is true, and what is hate, and what is prejudice based on hearing all sides of the story.<span class="Apple-converted-space">  </span>I'm for letting people show their true colors.<span class="
Apple-converted-space">  </span>When you start cancelling speech, you only get one side of the story.</p>
<p class="p8"><br></p>
<p class="p9">-Owen</p>
<p class="p8"><br></p>
<p class="p9">P.S. Perhaps you'd like the official usenet stance of changing groups from unmoderated to moderated?</p>
<p class="p8"><br></p>
<p class="p9">from: <a href="https://www.big-8.org/wiki/Changing_the_Moderation_Status_of_Existing_Groups">https://www.big-8.org/wiki/Changing_the_Moderation_Status_of_Existing_Groups</a></p>
<p class="p8"><br></p>
<p class="p12">From unmoderated to moderated.</p>
<p class="p12">Changing a group from unmoderated to moderated is "strongly discouraged" - which, in practice, means "practically impossible."</p>
<ul class="ul1">
<ul class="ul1">
<li class="li13">There are many News Service Providers who would not make the change. Some people would see a moderated group, others with different NSPs would see the moderated version.</li>
<li class="li13">Such changes in the past have cultivated massive resentments. Leaving the original group intact and creating a companion moderated group allows group members to have a choice between the two different kinds of newsgroups on the same
topic.</li>
<li class="li13">In all likelihood, the board won't even publish an RFD to change a group from unmoderated to moderated. A proposal for such a change should not be submitted unless the group finds a way to demonstrate virtual unanimity. We strongly
recommend that you instead spend your effort on learning how to use filters or how to create a moderated companion to the original group.</li>
</ul>
</ul>
<p class="p14"><br></p>
<p class="p15">-Owen</p>
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On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 4:24:09 PM UTC+11, Owen Hartnett wrote:

From unmoderated to moderated.
Changing a group from unmoderated to moderated is "strongly discouraged" - which, in practice, means "practically impossible."
There are many News Service Providers who would not make the change. Some people would see a moderated group, others with different NSPs would see the moderated version.
Such changes in the past have cultivated massive resentments. Leaving the original group intact and creating a companion moderated group allows group members to have a choice between the two different kinds of newsgroups on the same topic.
In all likelihood, the board won't even publish an RFD to change a group from unmoderated to moderated. A proposal for such a change should not be submitted unless the group finds a way to demonstrate virtual unanimity. We strongly recommend that you

instead spend your effort on learning how to use filters or how to create a moderated companion to the original group.

-Owen

The idea is to avoid all discussions of antisemitism, an area of debate from which reason has long since fled in this group and doubtless many others. Unless we wish to discuss in a positive light the achievements of Peter Brook, Jonathan Miller, Barrie
Kotsky and Elijah Moshinsky in the opera house and elsewhere ...

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

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