https://theviolinchannel.com/riccardo-muti-is-highest-paid-music-director-us-mcmanus-adaptristration/
I wouldn't pay one penny for MTT.
In fairness he has done reasonably
well in collecting money for the SFS.
There seems to be a viscous surcingle here: your overheads for big bands who play Bruckner are enormous, so to attract audiences and sponsorships you need to hire a big-name conductor and to do so you need to offer six-figure salaries which add to youroverhead so ... ? > Andrew Clarke
There seems to be a viscous surcingle here: your overheads for big bands who play Bruckner are enormous, so to attract audiences and sponsorships you need to hire a big-name conductor and to do so you need to offer six-figure salaries which add to youroverhead so ... ?
On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 4:13:19 PM UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:your overhead so ... ?
There seems to be a viscous surcingle here: your overheads for big bands who play Bruckner are enormous, so to attract audiences and sponsorships you need to hire a big-name conductor and to do so you need to offer six-figure salaries which add to
Typically the Bruckner orchestra is not that large. The strings are 12 - 12 - 8 - 8 - 8.
The only large symphony, in all respects is nr 8, with two harps and a crazy triangle.
Outside of Amsterdam, Berlin and Vienna, I don't think anyone will program Bruckner thinking to draw large crowds...
On Wednesday, 1 March 2023 at 15:13:19 UTC, Andrew Clarke wrote:your overhead so ... ? > Andrew Clarke
There seems to be a viscous surcingle here: your overheads for big bands who play Bruckner are enormous, so to attract audiences and sponsorships you need to hire a big-name conductor and to do so you need to offer six-figure salaries which add to
I'm all for Bruckner being played on synthesisers....
A street musician playing a decent accordeon would be another alternative
Or a pretty girl with a guitar....
The only large symphony, in all respects is
nr 8, with two harps and a crazy triangle.
Outside of Amsterdam, Berlin and Vienna,
I don't think anyone will program Bruckner
thinking to draw large crowds...
I'm all for Bruckner being played on synthesisers....
On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 8:09:43 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
I'm all for Bruckner being played on synthesisers....Playing Bruckner in one's mind
would be even more efficient.
dk
On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 4:13:19 PM UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:your overhead so ... ?
There seems to be a viscous surcingle here: your overheads for big bands who play Bruckner are enormous, so to attract audiences and sponsorships you need to hire a big-name conductor and to do so you need to offer six-figure salaries which add to
Typically the Bruckner orchestra is not that large. The strings are 12 - 12 - 8 - 8 - 8.
The only large symphony, in all respects is nr 8, with two harps and a crazy triangle.
Outside of Amsterdam, Berlin and Vienna, I don't think anyone will program Bruckner thinking to draw large crowds...
The larger issue, of which Bruckner performances are an an example, is that these hugely well-paid conductors are there to conduct the standard concert hall repertoire, say from Haydn to Britten.
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 8:41:34 AM UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:
The larger issue, of which Bruckner performances are an an example, is that these hugely well-paid conductors are there to conduct the standard concert hall repertoire, say from Haydn to Britten.
Or they conduct music that is closer to our time, with the downside that fewer people show up, because it's so scary, contemporary music...
But how is this "the larger issue"? Are you going to do a Lebrecht?
Are you aware that these "hugely well-paid" conductors have a staff they're paying out of their fee?
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 6:57:16 PM UTC+11, Herman wrote:
Are you aware that these "hugely well-paid" conductors have a staff they're paying out of their fee?No, I wasn't. Presumably there's a P.A. Who else?
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 9:03:17 AM UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 6:57:16 PM UTC+11, Herman wrote:
Are you aware that these "hugely well-paid" conductors have a staff they're paying out of their fee?No, I wasn't. Presumably there's a P.A. Who else?
Andrew ClarkeOne or two assistant conductors.
Canberra
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 2:23:27 AM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 7:08:04 PM UTC+11, Herman wrote:
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 9:03:17 AM UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 6:57:16 PM UTC+11, Herman wrote:
Are you aware that these "hugely well-paid" conductors have a staff they're paying out of their fee?No, I wasn't. Presumably there's a P.A. Who else?
One or two assistant conductors.
So how much does an assistant conductor get paid? And after payingHere is some data that doesn't quite answer your question:
two of them, how much do Muti and Dudamel get to keep? Do European conductors have to pay for their assistants or is this just an American thing?
https://slippedisc.com/2021/06/muti-is-the-worlds-top-paid-conductor/ http://www.classicalmusictoday.net/blog/highest-paid-conductors
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 7:08:04 PM UTC+11, Herman wrote:
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 9:03:17 AM UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 6:57:16 PM UTC+11, Herman wrote:
Are you aware that these "hugely well-paid" conductors have a staff they're paying out of their fee?No, I wasn't. Presumably there's a P.A. Who else?
One or two assistant conductors.
So how much does an assistant conductor get paid? And after paying
two of them, how much do Muti and Dudamel get to keep? Do European conductors have to pay for their assistants or is this just an American thing?
Here is some data that doesn't quite answer your question:
https://slippedisc.com/2021/06/muti-is-the-worlds-top-paid-conductor/ http://www.classicalmusictoday.net/blog/highest-paid-conductors
https://slippedisc.com/2016/06/bombshell-the-top-paid-us-conductor-of-all-time-is/
Is it still the case that if an American symphony
orchestra records Vivaldi, the agreement with the
Musician's Union still requires the contrabassoonist,
the tubist and the timpanist to be paid?
IMHO none of them are worth one penny.
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 11:50:18 PM UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
IMHO none of them are worth one penny."Goin' to Chicago, Salinen but I cain't take you,
Goin' to Chicago, Salinen but I cain't take you,
Ain't nothin' in Chicago a Muti woman cain't do ... "
Is it still the case that if an American symphony orchestra records
Vivaldi, the agreement with the Musician's Union still requires the contrabassoonist, the tubist and the timpanist to be paid?
On 2023-03-04 03:36:59 +0000, Andrew Clarke said:
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 11:50:18 PM UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
IMHO none of them are worth one penny.
"Goin' to Chicago, Salinen but I cain't take you,
Goin' to Chicago, Salinen but I cain't take you,
Ain't nothin' in Chicago a Muti woman cain't do ... "
Is it still the case that if an American symphony orchestra records Vivaldi, the agreement with the Musician's Union still requires the contrabassoonist, the tubist and the timpanist to be paid?
Yes. And they have to pay two railroad engineers and a conductor. The conductor can either wear a tuxedo or this: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71XzYAISSML._AC_UL1500_.jpg
The whistle, however, must be tuned to A=440
-Owen
On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 3:08:24 PM UTC+11, Owen Hartnett wrote:
On 2023-03-04 03:36:59 +0000, Andrew Clarke said:
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 11:50:18 PM UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
IMHO none of them are worth one penny.
"Goin' to Chicago, Salinen but I cain't take you,
Goin' to Chicago, Salinen but I cain't take you,
Ain't nothin' in Chicago a Muti woman cain't do ... "
Is it still the case that if an American symphony orchestra records
Vivaldi, the agreement with the Musician's Union still requires the
contrabassoonist, the tubist and the timpanist to be paid?
Yes. And they have to pay two railroad engineers and a conductor. The
conductor can either wear a tuxedo or this:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71XzYAISSML._AC_UL1500_.jpg >>
The whistle, however, must be tuned to A=440
-Owen
I recognise that man. His name is Gene Kowalczyk, father of celebrated chanteuse and ukulele virtuoso Sugar Kane, who, you will remember, came
from a musical family. I should like to point out, however, that
American steam locomotives had chime whistles, which were necessarily
tuned to more than one pitch.
On 2023-03-04 07:00:06 +0000, Andrew Clarke said:
On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 3:08:24 PM UTC+11, Owen Hartnett wrote:
On 2023-03-04 03:36:59 +0000, Andrew Clarke said:
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 11:50:18 PM UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
IMHO none of them are worth one penny.
"Goin' to Chicago, Salinen but I cain't take you,
Goin' to Chicago, Salinen but I cain't take you,
Ain't nothin' in Chicago a Muti woman cain't do ... "
Is it still the case that if an American symphony orchestra records
Vivaldi, the agreement with the Musician's Union still requires the
contrabassoonist, the tubist and the timpanist to be paid?
Yes. And they have to pay two railroad engineers and a conductor. The
conductor can either wear a tuxedo or this:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71XzYAISSML._AC_UL1500_.jpg
The whistle, however, must be tuned to A=440
-Owen
I recognise that man. His name is Gene Kowalczyk, father of celebrated chanteuse and ukulele virtuoso Sugar Kane, who, you will remember, came from a musical family. I should like to point out, however, thatCorrect, but the Conductor, as is the practise also in most symphony orchestras, only carried one whistle.
American steam locomotives had chime whistles, which were necessarily tuned to more than one pitch.
-Owen
P.S. Mr. Kowalczyk sends his regards, plus some extra consonants he's
no longer using.
-O
On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 4:18:21 AM UTC+11, Owen Hartnett wrote:CD: track 29.
On 2023-03-04 07:00:06 +0000, Andrew Clarke said:
On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 3:08:24 PM UTC+11, Owen Hartnett wrote:
On 2023-03-04 03:36:59 +0000, Andrew Clarke said:
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 11:50:18 PM UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
IMHO none of them are worth one penny.
"Goin' to Chicago, Salinen but I cain't take you,
Goin' to Chicago, Salinen but I cain't take you,
Ain't nothin' in Chicago a Muti woman cain't do ... "
Is it still the case that if an American symphony orchestra records
Vivaldi, the agreement with the Musician's Union still requires the
contrabassoonist, the tubist and the timpanist to be paid?
Yes. And they have to pay two railroad engineers and a conductor. The >> conductor can either wear a tuxedo or this:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71XzYAISSML._AC_UL1500_.jpg
The whistle, however, must be tuned to A=440
-Owen
I recognise that man. His name is Gene Kowalczyk, father of celebrated chanteuse and ukulele virtuoso Sugar Kane, who, you will remember, came from a musical family. I should like to point out, however, that American steam locomotives had chime whistles, which were necessarily tuned to more than one pitch.Correct, but the Conductor, as is the practise also in most symphony orchestras, only carried one whistle.
-Owen
P.S. Mr. Kowalczyk sends his regards, plus some extra consonants he's
no longer using.
-OWhistles varied. In Louisiana they were tuned to A=395 as at Versailles. In Tennessee it was much higher, as in Dresden or Leipzig, and there was usually going to be a certain partita at the station. You can hear it on the Nashville Symphony's latest
Andrew ClarkeLOL. In Canberra, they know how to ACT...
Canberra
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