Perhaps this is all part of the act
of being a Britishish gentleman
In all seriousness, there is a haunting, surreal quality about this performance, which people either accept or don't as the case may be. Tempi, especially in the first movement of the more well-known concerto, are slow, and there is a steely quality toMiss Ebert's playing, although she does use limited vibrato and unlike the Panzerfaust, never sounds like the late Mr Benny of blessed memory. Comments on the Tum's review criticise Sir Simon for the tempi, but surely these are usually decided by the
A little puzzled... Perhaps this is all part of the act of being a Britishish gentleman dabbling in CM, who talks about "Miss so and so" when referring to a female musician, but Veronica Lake is a movie actress who died in the seventies... There is noviolin-playing Veronica Lake.
On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 4:47:24 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
Perhaps this is all part of the actAndrew is no "Britishish gentleman".
of being a Britishish gentleman
He is Australian.
dk
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 4:25:53 AM UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:
to Miss Ebert's playing, although she does use limited vibrato and unlike the Panzerfaust, never sounds like the late Mr Benny of blessed memory. Comments on the Tum's review criticise Sir Simon for the tempi, but surely these are usually decided by theIn all seriousness, there is a haunting, surreal quality about this performance, which people either accept or don't as the case may be. Tempi, especially in the first movement of the more well-known concerto, are slow, and there is a steely quality
In all seriousness, Veronika Eberle has a name, just like you do.
The only difference is she's a woman, and you seem to think women don't have a name.
It's not EBERT either. It's Eberle.
And yes, tempo is decided by the violin soloist.
I guess Hurwitz is suffering from the same problem you are having, i.e. figuring out that a woman soloist has a name and agency.
allow me to point out the juxtaposition of "Lake", "superior" and "eerie" in my original post, which might suggest that my tongue was firmly in my cheek.
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
Should anyone like a nice view of a Lake while listening to the Beethoven violin concerto:
https://www.doctormacro.com/Movie%20Star%20Pages/Lake,%20Veronica-Annex.htm https://www.doctormacro.com/Movie%20Star%20Pages/Lake,%20Veronica.htm
I shudder to think what would have happened to anybody who did not address Veronique Gens or Catherine Deneuve as 'Madame', at least on first meeting.
Obviously neither Eberle, nor Deneuve is much bothered what some geezer is saying about her online, they don't read RMCR or watch Hurwitz, it's just that you're creating an atmosphere.
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 7:35:01 PM UTC+11, Herman wrote:
Obviously neither Eberle, nor Deneuve is much bothered what some geezer is saying about her online, they don't read RMCR or watch Hurwitz, it's just that you're creating an atmosphere.
I think that Mme Deneuve - I don't know about Frau Ebene - would expect to be addressed with the deference due to her status, according to the normal French rules of good manners
Here is Eberle playing a duet with her double bass husband Edicson Ruiz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL6d2eFAgQQ
Here is Eberle playing a duet with her double bass husband Edicson Ruiz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL6d2eFAgQQ
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 5:23:20 AM UTC+11, Herman wrote:
Here is Eberle playing a duet with her double bass husband Edicson Ruiz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL6d2eFAgQQ
She gets to play a trio with the LSO's principal double
bass and tympanist in the new cadenzas. Always good
to have a drum 'n' bass track or two during the evening.
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 1:39:01 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 5:23:20 AM UTC+11, Herman wrote:
Here is Eberle playing a duet with her double bass husband Edicson Ruiz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL6d2eFAgQQ
She gets to play a trio with the LSO's principal double
bass and tympanist in the new cadenzas. Always good
to have a drum 'n' bass track or two during the evening.
Drums are useful -- they can cover up everything else.
dk
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 10:23:20 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
Here is Eberle playing a duet with her double bass husband Edicson Ruiz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL6d2eFAgQQ"playing" ?!? ROTFL !!!
dk
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 8:42:39 AM UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 1:39:01 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 5:23:20 AM UTC+11, Herman wrote:
Here is Eberle playing a duet with her double bass husband Edicson Ruiz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL6d2eFAgQQ
She gets to play a trio with the LSO's principal double
bass and tympanist in the new cadenzas. Always good
to have a drum 'n' bass track or two during the evening.
Drums are useful -- they can cover up everything else.
Frau Panzerfaust played with a tympani accompaniment in
the first movement cadenza in her recording of the same
concerto with Abbado and the orchestra Mozart. I've read
that the inspiration came from Beethoven's own cadenza
for the piano version.
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 3:12:47 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 8:42:39 AM UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 1:39:01 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 5:23:20 AM UTC+11, Herman wrote:
Here is Eberle playing a duet with her double bass husband Edicson Ruiz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL6d2eFAgQQ
She gets to play a trio with the LSO's principal double
bass and tympanist in the new cadenzas. Always good
to have a drum 'n' bass track or two during the evening.
Drums are useful -- they can cover up everything else.
Frau Panzerfaust played with a tympani accompaniment in
the first movement cadenza in her recording of the same
concerto with Abbado and the orchestra Mozart. I've read
that the inspiration came from Beethoven's own cadenza
for the piano version.
Frau Panzerfaust is one of the most bizarre fiddlers on the
circuit. I cannot fathom what listeners like in her other than
her tomboyish hairdo.
Even Vanessa Mae played it better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhOoB9byYOc
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 2:39:46 AM UTC+11, Herman wrote:admirable convention of adding Miss to a lady's first name. So I shall refer to her, even in writing, as Miss Veronika. Mme Deneuve, as admirers of 'Gunsmoke' will appreciate, can be Miss Kitty.
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 3:08:19 PM UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 7:35:01 PM UTC+11, Herman wrote:You don't understand the technical point that you are not addressing either one.
Obviously neither Eberle, nor Deneuve is much bothered what some geezer is saying about her online, they don't read RMCR or watch Hurwitz, it's just that you're creating an atmosphere.
I think that Mme Deneuve - I don't know about Frau Ebene - would expect to be addressed with the deference due to her status, according to the normal French rules of good manners
You're just making jokes about them on the internet.
There is a big difference between talking TO someone and talking ABOUT someone.
Herman, I am a child of the 1950s, and I cannot bring myself to refer to the lady in question as either Veronika (too familiar) or Eberle (too masculine).`I think a solution might be found south of the Mason-Dixon Line where they have retained the
Titled women remain the exception, so far as I'm concerned, so it's Dame Felicity, not Miss Flott.
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 3:08:19 PM UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 7:35:01 PM UTC+11, Herman wrote:
Obviously neither Eberle, nor Deneuve is much bothered what some geezer is saying about her online, they don't read RMCR or watch Hurwitz, it's just that you're creating an atmosphere.
I think that Mme Deneuve - I don't know about Frau Ebene - would expect to be addressed with the deference due to her status, according to the normal French rules of good mannersYou don't understand the technical point that you are not addressing either one.
You're just making jokes about them on the internet.
There is a big difference between talking TO someone and talking ABOUT someone.
Be careful, Andrew. You seem to think you
can refer to people as you wish. Are there
no "woke" enforcers down under?
Herman, I am a child of the 1950s,
I just listened to a couple of minutes of the Hurwitz review of the Eberle / Rattle cd.Stiftung.
At some point he introduces some kind of conspiracy theory. Youtube, home of the conspiracy theories. He reads from the booklet that the Beethoven recording or the concerts were sponsored by a couple of cultural philantropies, such as the Anja Fichte
"In other words, they were HIRED," implying they did not feel like this otherwise. This would make it an uninspired performance. And he uses this conspiracy theory to bash the recording, as if he needed more material other than that Rattle is theconductor.
Virtually ALL RECORDINGS have sponsors of this kind. This is the 21st century.
Classical music performance is unsustainable without this kind of financial support.
Every concert, every note played in America's concert halls is thus sponsored by old rich people sitting on the board.
Fortunately, in Europe it's not just old rich people.
Hurwitz is fully aware of this, however maliciously uses the information on the booklet to bash yet another Rattle recording.
Obviously, the concert was programmed first and financial support for the recording was rustled up later. This is how it works. Hurwitz knows this, but he pretends he knows better.
Let me add that I have no desire to listen to another LvB VC recording, it's not a favorite of mine. However VE is a fine violin player and the way you guys go after her like zombies just because Hurwitz says so, says a lot about the culture these days.
It's all youtube.
Listen to one minute and bash.
On 2/26/2023 8:53 PM, Andrew Clarke wrote:admirable convention of adding Miss to a lady's first name. So I shall refer to her, even in writing, as Miss Veronika. Mme Deneuve, as admirers of 'Gunsmoke' will appreciate, can be Miss Kitty.
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 2:39:46 AM UTC+11, Herman wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 3:08:19 PM UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote: >>> On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 7:35:01 PM UTC+11, Herman wrote:
You don't understand the technical point that you are not addressing either one.Obviously neither Eberle, nor Deneuve is much bothered what some geezer is saying about her online, they don't read RMCR or watch Hurwitz, it's just that you're creating an atmosphere.
I think that Mme Deneuve - I don't know about Frau Ebene - would expect to be addressed with the deference due to her status, according to the normal French rules of good manners
You're just making jokes about them on the internet.
There is a big difference between talking TO someone and talking ABOUT someone.
Herman, I am a child of the 1950s, and I cannot bring myself to refer to the lady in question as either Veronika (too familiar) or Eberle (too masculine).`I think a solution might be found south of the Mason-Dixon Line where they have retained the
Titled women remain the exception, so far as I'm concerned, so it's Dame Felicity, not Miss Flott.
Andrew ClarkeBe careful, Andrew. You seem to think you can refer to people as you wish. Are there no "woke" enforcers down under?
Canberra
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 5:53:48 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
Herman, I am a child of the 1950s,Is this a new interpretation of
the immaculate conception?
dk
I just listened to a couple of minutes of the
Hurwitz review of the Eberle / Rattle cd.
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 4:03:36 PM UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 5:53:48 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
Herman, I am a child of the 1950s,
Is this a new interpretation of
the immaculate conception?
Deek, your theology is even worse than your piany-playing!
Only one person has been declared by the Vatican to have
been born without the stain of original sin, and it sure ain't
me ...
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 1:09:48 AM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 4:03:36 PM UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 5:53:48 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
Herman, I am a child of the 1950s,
Is this a new interpretation of
the immaculate conception?
Deek, your theology is even worse than your piany-playing!
Only one person has been declared by the Vatican to have
been born without the stain of original sin, and it sure ain't
me ...
One can still apply. In your case, wouldn't that be to the
Archbishop of Canterbury rather than to the Vatican? I
ask the question .....
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 1:09:48 AM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 4:03:36 PM UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 5:53:48 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
Herman, I am a child of the 1950s,
Is this a new interpretation of
the immaculate conception?
Deek, your theology is even worse than your piany-playing!One can still apply. In your case, wouldn't that be to the
Only one person has been declared by the Vatican to have
been born without the stain of original sin, and it sure ain't
me ...
Archbishop of Canterbury rather than to the Vatican? I
ask the question .....
dk
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