https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3LavjUCO2Y

I never get tired of it...
And of this sonata...
And this artist...

Curious how the Russian pianists succeeded in this masterpiece!...Yudina...Grinberg...Richter...Gilels...All fabulous...

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On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:50:57 PM UTC-8, MELMOTH wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3LavjUCO2Y

I never get tired of it...
And of this sonata...
And this artist...

Curious how the Russian pianists
succeeded in this masterpiece!...
Yudina...Grinberg...Richter...Gilels...

They all butchered it mercilessly.

This is the real deal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtYT67nV76M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN-oytHPA0U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jOt--GPleU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf2Qlv_711U

Everybody else please go back to school.

dk

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Op zaterdag 18 februari 2023 om 03:50:57 UTC+1 schreef MELMOTH:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3LavjUCO2Y

I never get tired of it...
And of this sonata...
And this artist...

Curious how the Russian pianists succeeded in this masterpiece!...Yudina...Grinberg...Richter...Gilels...All fabulous...

Yudina is one of the very few who makes music out of the first and last movement.

Henk

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On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 2:14:33 AM UTC-8, HT wrote:

Op zaterdag 18 februari 2023 om 03:50:57 UTC+1 schreef MELMOTH:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3LavjUCO2Y

I never get tired of it...
And of this sonata...
And this artist...

Curious how the Russian pianists
succeeded in this masterpiece!...
Yudina...Grinberg...Richter...Gilels...
All fabulous...

Yudina is one of the very few who
makes music out of the first and
last movement.

Yudina is extremely heavy handed.
If one likes Marias, Grinberg is far
better.

HJ Lim makes more music out of
every Hammerklavier note than all
the others combined. She is the
only pianist I have ever heard who
makes the Hammerklavier sound
spontaneous and improvised on
the spot, rather than exercised,
practiced, ruminated, studied
and czernycated.

dk

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HT a exprimé avec précision :

Yudina is one of the very few who makes music out of the first and last movement.

I have just spent this night in the company of this incomparable
artist...

https://www.amazon.fr/Art-Maria-Yudina/dp/B07GTZK2CB/ref=sr_1_10?__mk_fr_FR=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=1714UBEQVQXCJ&keywords=maria+yudina&qid=1676725082&s=music&sprefix=maria+yudina%2Cclassical%2C113&sr=1-10

While rereading the very good book dedicated to her:

https://www.amazon.fr/Maria-Youdina-pianiste-d%C3%A9fia-Staline/dp/2846212651/ref=sr_1_2?__mk_fr_FR=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=1KOXXEZACYHBV&keywords=maria+yudina&qid=1676725042&s=books&sprefix=maria+yudina%2Cstripbooks%2C112&sr=1-2

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On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 12:59:30 PM UTC, MELMOTH wrote:

HT a exprimé avec précision :

Yudina is one of the very few who makes music out of the first and last movement.

I have just spent this night in the company of this incomparable
artist...

https://www.amazon.fr/Art-Maria-Yudina/dp/B07GTZK2CB/ref=sr_1_10?__mk_fr_FR=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=1714UBEQVQXCJ&keywords=maria+yudina&qid=1676725082&s=music&sprefix=maria+yudina%2Cclassical%2C113&sr=1-10

While rereading the very good book dedicated to her:

https://www.amazon.fr/Maria-Youdina-pianiste-d%C3%A9fia-Staline/dp/2846212651/ref=sr_1_2?__mk_fr_FR=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=1KOXXEZACYHBV&keywords=maria+yudina&qid=1676725042&s=books&sprefix=maria+yudina%2Cstripbooks%2C112&sr=1-2

And I've just ordered the book on sale and return here in the uk from amazon

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On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 2:50:57 AM UTC, MELMOTH wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3LavjUCO2Y

I never get tired of it...
And of this sonata...
And this artist...

Curious how the Russian pianists succeeded in this masterpiece!...Yudina...Grinberg...Richter...Gilels...All fabulous...

It's just such a shit piece of music IMO. Just thinking about it gives me the heebie-jeebies.

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On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 12:59:30 PM UTC, MELMOTH wrote:

HT a exprimé avec précision :

Yudina is one of the very few who makes music out of the first and last movement.

I have just spent this night in the company of this incomparable
artist...

https://www.amazon.fr/Art-Maria-Yudina/dp/B07GTZK2CB/ref=sr_1_10?__mk_fr_FR=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=1714UBEQVQXCJ&keywords=maria+yudina&qid=1676725082&s=music&sprefix=maria+yudina%2Cclassical%2C113&sr=1-10

While rereading the very good book dedicated to her:

https://www.amazon.fr/Maria-Youdina-pianiste-d%C3%A9fia-Staline/dp/2846212651/ref=sr_1_2?__mk_fr_FR=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=1KOXXEZACYHBV&keywords=maria+yudina&qid=1676725042&s=books&sprefix=maria+yudina%2Cstripbooks%2C112&sr=1-2

The last time I listened to anything by her it was Scriabin op 11 preludes, which was some how introspective (maybe the way she plays, the selection or even the crap sound - hard to say.)

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On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 6:41:23 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:

The last time I listened to anything by her it was Scriabin op 11
preludes, which was some how introspective (maybe the way
she plays, the selection or even the crap sound - hard to say.)

Yudina was no Scriabinist. She had no imagination.
She was a strict, heavy handed literalist, incapable
of any color, texture or phrasing. The very worst the
Russian piano school produced, almost as bad as
Arrau, Ney and Backhaus.

dk

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On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 2:50:57 AM UTC, MELMOTH wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3LavjUCO2Y

I never get tired of it...
And of this sonata...
And this artist...

Curious how the Russian pianists succeeded in this masterpiece!...Yudina...Grinberg...Richter...Gilels...All fabulous...

The book was a bit too journalistic for me, I'm not sure I would ever want to read about her life, no matter how rich and eventful.

But more positively, here's a good Hammer you may like as much as Yudina -- Pollini in Paris in 2009

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRP7nJh6Fcw&ab_channel=verklaertenacht1899

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On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 5:14:33 AM UTC-5, HT wrote:

Op zaterdag 18 februari 2023 om 03:50:57 UTC+1 schreef MELMOTH:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3LavjUCO2Y

I never get tired of it...
And of this sonata...
And this artist...

Curious how the Russian pianists succeeded in this masterpiece!...Yudina...Grinberg...Richter...Gilels...All fabulous...

Yudina is one of the very few who makes music out of the first and last movement.

Henk

yes, listening to her, damn good.
AB

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Il se trouve que Mandryka a formulé :

On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 2:50:57 AM UTC, MELMOTH wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3LavjUCO2Y

I never get tired of it...
And of this sonata...
And this artist...

Curious how the Russian pianists succeeded in this
masterpiece!...Yudina...Grinberg...Richter...Gilels...All fabulous...

The book was a bit too journalistic for me, I'm not sure I would ever want to read about her life, no matter how rich and eventful.

But more positively, here's a good Hammer you may like as much as Yudina -- Pollini in Paris in 2009

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRP7nJh6Fcw&ab_channel=verklaertenacht1899

I never liked Pollini...Why ?...I don't know...He doesn't move me...But
that's how it is...I should listen to him more often and more seriously
...

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On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 12:22:59 AM UTC-8, MELMOTH wrote:

I never liked Pollini...Why ?...I don't know...
He doesn't move me...But that's how it is...
I should listen to him more often and more
seriously
...

I liked some of Pollini's early recordings,
from 1960 until roughly 1980. At the time
he sounded like a slightly warmer LTMSFI
than Lipatti.

Then he started to dry up, becoming more
and more literalist and "intellectual". By the
early 2000s he had become a czernycator.

dk

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On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 8:22:59 AM UTC, MELMOTH wrote:

Il se trouve que Mandryka a formulé :

On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 2:50:57 AM UTC, MELMOTH wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3LavjUCO2Y

I never get tired of it...
And of this sonata...
And this artist...

Curious how the Russian pianists succeeded in this
masterpiece!...Yudina...Grinberg...Richter...Gilels...All fabulous...

The book was a bit too journalistic for me, I'm not sure I would ever want to
read about her life, no matter how rich and eventful.

But more positively, here's a good Hammer you may like as much as Yudina --
Pollini in Paris in 2009

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRP7nJh6Fcw&ab_channel=verklaertenacht1899

I never liked Pollini...Why ?...I don't know...He doesn't move me...But that's how it is...I should listen to him more often and more seriously
...

I just think he was particularly inspired that night in 2009 in Salle Playel - give it a shot.

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