• FEMALE...

    From MELMOTH@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 17 12:57:34 2023
    In 2013, there was only one woman among the most active conductors
    worldwide...

    In 2022, there were 12 (!): Elim *Chan* and Xian *Zhang*
    (China)...Karina *Canellakis* and Marin *Alsop* (US)...Nathalie
    *Stutzmann* (Mon si beau pays)...Mirga *Grazinyte* - *Tyla*
    (Lithuania). ...Gemma *New* (New Zealand)...Dalia *Stavevska* (Ukraine)...Simone *Young* (Australia)...Joana *Malwitz*
    (Germany)...Kristiina *Poska* (Estonia) and Barabara *Hannigan*
    (Canada)...

    [Sources : Bachtrack]

    It evolves...slowly...Very slowly...Too fast ?...

    MELMOTH - mysogine ? He asks the question...

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to MELMOTH on Fri Feb 17 04:14:21 2023
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 3:57:39 AM UTC-8, MELMOTH wrote:

    In 2013, there was only one woman among
    the most active conductors worldwide...

    In 2013 you could only count up to one ?!?

    dk

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to MELMOTH on Fri Feb 17 06:33:12 2023
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 12:57:39 PM UTC+1, MELMOTH wrote:


    MELMOTH - mysogine ? He asks the question...

    It's never a good sign when people are talking about themselves in the 3d person.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Herman on Fri Feb 17 15:06:20 2023
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:33:15 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 12:57:39 PM UTC+1, MELMOTH wrote:


    MELMOTH - mysogine ? He asks the question...

    It's never a good sign when people are
    talking about themselves in the 3d person.

    Still better than when they talk about
    themselves in the 4th person.

    dk

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 17 15:25:50 2023
    Does Alondra de la Parra count? Orchestre de Paris......

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iqZ-lyUsNM.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Fri Feb 17 15:40:43 2023
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 3:25:53 PM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:

    Does Alondra de la Parra count? Orchestre de Paris......

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iqZ-lyUsNM.

    Count in what sense? She is obviously one of
    the more prominent women conductors, and
    she is quite good -- certainly better than that
    Klaus clown. I would not rank her the same
    level as Tomomi. OTOH she is younger and
    has time to grow.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Fri Feb 17 16:09:01 2023
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 3:40:46 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 3:25:53 PM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:

    Does Alondra de la Parra count? Orchestre de Paris......

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iqZ-lyUsNM.
    Count in what sense? She is obviously one of
    the more prominent women conductors, and
    she is quite good -- certainly better than that
    Klaus clown. I would not rank her the same
    level as Tomomi. OTOH she is younger and
    has time to grow.


    Here are side by side Tchaikovsky 5th live
    performances by Alondra and Tomomi:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpQtkv-eulg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEtz7ZpPpTw

    Both are great readings. Figure out which
    one you like better. Essays due by Sunday.
    Herman is excused.

    dk

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Fri Feb 17 18:32:05 2023
    On Saturday, 18 February 2023 at 11:09:05 UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 3:40:46 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 3:25:53 PM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:

    Does Alondra de la Parra count? Orchestre de Paris......

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iqZ-lyUsNM.
    Count in what sense? She is obviously one of
    the more prominent women conductors, and
    she is quite good -- certainly better than that
    Klaus clown. I would not rank her the same
    level as Tomomi. OTOH she is younger and
    has time to grow.

    Here are side by side Tchaikovsky 5th live
    performances by Alondra and Tomomi:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpQtkv-eulg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEtz7ZpPpTw

    Both are great readings. Figure out which
    one you like better. Essays due by Sunday.
    Herman is excused.

    dk

    De la Parra wins this one. Not even close. In fact probably one of the best Tchaik 5ths I've heard.

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to raymond....@gmail.com on Fri Feb 17 20:59:12 2023
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:32:07 PM UTC-8, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, 18 February 2023 at 11:09:05 UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 3:40:46 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 3:25:53 PM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:

    Does Alondra de la Parra count? Orchestre de Paris......

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iqZ-lyUsNM.
    Count in what sense? She is obviously one of
    the more prominent women conductors, and
    she is quite good -- certainly better than that
    Klaus clown. I would not rank her the same
    level as Tomomi. OTOH she is younger and
    has time to grow.

    Here are side by side Tchaikovsky 5th live
    performances by Alondra and Tomomi:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpQtkv-eulg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEtz7ZpPpTw

    Both are great readings. Figure out which
    one you like better. Essays due by Sunday.
    Herman is excused.

    De la Parra wins this one. Not even close. In
    fact probably one of the best Tchaik 5ths I've
    heard.

    De la Parra's performance comes across more
    lively and more in one's face, partly as a result
    of being recorded more closely. It also sounds
    rather rough in places. The QSO is no match
    for the Bolshoi, which sounds more integrated.
    Tomomi's reading manages flow and tension
    in manner that keeps one on the seat's edge.

    What I find fascinating in Tomomi's reading is
    a cross between Mravinsky's relentless forward
    momentum with Celi's rhythmic flexibility and
    subtle phrasing, which I never imagined would
    be possible.

    A more recent Tomomi performance is here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXmsd2WZmuI

    Here are a few other references:

    Mravinsky: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx_ol8myuRg
    Celibidachevsky: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrYCMD25Djo
    Mengelbergsky: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVYT6LdrZuQ

    dk

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