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  • Disaster strikes New York!

    From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 7 12:42:41 2023
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/07/arts/music/new-york-philharmonic-gustavo-dudamel.htm

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Tue Feb 7 15:25:47 2023
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 7:42:44 AM UTC+11, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/07/arts/music/new-york-philharmonic-gustavo-dudamel.htm

    Meanwhile, for those of us outside North America, both the LA and the NY Phils are inaudible, sadly. They record not, and neither do they stream. I have seen Mr Dudamel in Berlin, and I suppose as musical director of the Paris Opera he might turn up on
    Arte or even You Tube.

    I do occasionally see our old Naxos friend Barry Wordsworth conducting the ballet at Covent Garden.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to andrewc...@gmail.com on Tue Feb 7 16:29:50 2023
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 3:25:49 PM UTC-8, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 7:42:44 AM UTC+11, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/07/arts/music/new-york-philharmonic-gustavo-dudamel.htm

    Meanwhile, for those of us outside North America,
    both the LA and the NY Phils are inaudible, sadly.

    Count your blessings! ;-)

    They record not, and neither do they stream.

    Count your blessings again! ;-)

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Al Eisner on Tue Feb 7 17:13:54 2023
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 5:09:06 PM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Tue, 7 Feb 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/07/arts/music/new-york-philharmonic-gustavo-dudamel.htm

    The NY Times is full of disaster news,
    especially today. How does this one rate?

    They do refer to Dudamel's "fiery baton
    and bouncy curls". I suppose one or both
    of those could pose a significant danger
    to the city. But not until 2026.

    Dudamel is one South American rattle.

    dk

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  • From Al Eisner@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Tue Feb 7 17:08:53 2023
    On Tue, 7 Feb 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/07/arts/music/new-york-philharmonic-gustavo-dudamel.htm

    The NY Times is full of disaster news, especially today. How does this
    one rate?

    They do refer to Dudamel's "fiery baton and bouncy curls". I suppose
    one or bothn of those could pose a significant danger to the city.
    But not until 2026.
    --
    Al Eisner

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Tue Feb 7 23:42:47 2023
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 12:13:57 PM UTC+11, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 5:09:06 PM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Tue, 7 Feb 2023, Dan Koren wrote:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/07/arts/music/new-york-philharmonic-gustavo-dudamel.htm

    The NY Times is full of disaster news,
    especially today. How does this one rate?

    They do refer to Dudamel's "fiery baton
    and bouncy curls". I suppose one or both
    of those could pose a significant danger
    to the city. But not until 2026.
    Dudamel is one South American rattle.

    dk

    Do you mean Sir Charles Maraccas?

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Wed Feb 8 05:27:14 2023
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 11:29:53 AM UTC+11, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 3:25:49 PM UTC-8, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 7:42:44 AM UTC+11, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/07/arts/music/new-york-philharmonic-gustavo-dudamel.htm

    Meanwhile, for those of us outside North America,
    both the LA and the NY Phils are inaudible, sadly.
    Count your blessings! ;-)
    They record not, and neither do they stream.
    Count your blessings again! ;-)

    dk

    Meanwhile I've been watching that great Newcastle United soccer fan Geordie Savall conducting Mozart - Eine Kleine Nachtmusik + Requiem - somewhere in Salzburg, again from Arte which is still working smoothly. Gotta love them basset horns. Art lovers may
    be interested to know that one of Savall's altos looks exactly like a Goya Infanta.

    Savall's string players don't use continuous vibrato, but some is used at the end of longer notes. That seems to make a lot of difference.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From Paul Goodman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 8 15:09:02 2023
    On Feb 7, 2023, Andrew Clarke wrote
    (in article<ac4d798d-ec23-4888-8c0a-15ee9edefb9bn@googlegroups.com>):

    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 7:42:44 AM UTC+11, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/07/arts/music/new-york-philharmonic-gustavo-
    dudamel.htm

    Meanwhile, for those of us outside North America, both the LA and the NY Phils are inaudible, sadly. They record not, and neither do they stream. I have seen Mr Dudamel in Berlin, and I suppose as musical director of the Paris Opera he might turn up on Arte or even You Tube.

    I do occasionally see our old Naxos friend Barry Wordsworth conducting the ballet at Covent Garden.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

    I’m thinking this could be a good choice for New York. I haven’t heard a lot of recordings by Dudamel. but those that I am familiar with have been
    fine. I especially like his recording of the complete symphonies of Charles Ives with the Los Angeles Philharmonic on DG. I imprinted on the Stokowski version of #4, but this one comes close the meeting that for me.

    --
    Paul Goodman

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to Paul Goodman on Thu Feb 9 01:50:30 2023
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 7:09:11 AM UTC+11, Paul Goodman wrote:
    On Feb 7, 2023, Andrew Clarke wrote
    (in article<ac4d798d-ec23-4888...@googlegroups.com>):
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 7:42:44 AM UTC+11, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/07/arts/music/new-york-philharmonic-gustavo-
    dudamel.htm

    Meanwhile, for those of us outside North America, both the LA and the NY Phils are inaudible, sadly. They record not, and neither do they stream. I have seen Mr Dudamel in Berlin, and I suppose as musical director of the Paris Opera he might turn up on Arte or even You Tube.

    I do occasionally see our old Naxos friend Barry Wordsworth conducting the ballet at Covent Garden.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    I’m thinking this could be a good choice for New York. I haven’t heard a lot of recordings by Dudamel. but those that I am familiar with have been fine. I especially like his recording of the complete symphonies of Charles Ives with the Los Angeles Philharmonic on DG. I imprinted on the Stokowski version of #4, but this one comes close the meeting that for me.

    --
    Paul Goodman

    An excellent choice, and, given the gruelling selection procedures he had to go through, not one made without care. Knowing somebody in Tamany Hall just doesn't cut the mustard any more. Given the loss of income sustained by orchestras the world over
    during the last couple of years, he is going to have to earn his dough. I'd expect some innovative programming.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Andrew Clarke on Thu Feb 9 17:54:32 2023
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 1:50:33 AM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:

    An excellent choice, and, given the gruelling
    selection procedures he had to go through,
    not one made without care.

    One person's "care" is another person's prejudice.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Andrew Clarke on Thu Feb 9 17:56:07 2023
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 5:27:17 AM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:

    Meanwhile I've been watching that great
    Newcastle United soccer fan Geordie
    Savall conducting Mozart - Eine Kleine
    Nachtmusik + Requiem - somewhere in
    Salzburg,

    Does soccer make Mozart better?
    Inquiring minds ask the question.

    dk

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  • From Tenant Hub Michigan-Kedzie@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Thu Feb 9 18:08:07 2023
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 7:54:35 PM UTC-6, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 1:50:33 AM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:

    An excellent choice, and, given the gruelling
    selection procedures he had to go through,
    not one made without care.
    One person's "care" is another person's prejudice.

    dk

    Look at the NY Phil music directors for the past 40 years- which of them would you be most eager to hear in concert, Dudamel included?

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Tenant Hub Michigan-Kedzie on Thu Feb 9 18:22:02 2023
    On Friday, 10 February 2023 at 13:09:25 UTC+11, Tenant Hub Michigan-Kedzie wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 7:54:35 PM UTC-6, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 1:50:33 AM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:

    An excellent choice, and, given the gruelling
    selection procedures he had to go through,
    not one made without care.
    One person's "care" is another person's prejudice.

    dk
    Look at the NY Phil music directors for the past 40 years- which of them would you be most eager to hear in concert, Dudamel included?

    If you can stretch to 53 years, then George Szell 1969-1970. Else Lorin Maazel - on a good day.

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 9 19:09:07 2023
    So to put it in a nutshell, the big disaster is the NYPH appointed a living conductor rather than a dead one from long ago.
    Isn't that totally RMCR?

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Herman on Thu Feb 9 19:18:20 2023
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 7:09:09 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:

    So to put it in a nutshell, the big
    disaster is the NYPH appointed
    a living conductor rather than a
    dead one from long ago.

    The "disaster" is that the NYPO
    appointed a semi-conductor of
    questionable talent and vastly
    more recognized as a fashion
    model than as a true musician.

    Isn't that totally RMCR?

    Just as is the inability of holey
    Gouda to connect the dots or
    figure out in general what is
    real and what is pretense.

    dk

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to Herman on Fri Feb 10 03:39:01 2023
    On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 2:09:09 PM UTC+11, Herman wrote:
    So to put it in a nutshell, the big disaster is the NYPH appointed a living conductor rather than a dead one from long ago.
    Isn't that totally RMCR?

    Not necessarily dead. But certainly, it's expected that any new appointments must be over seventy years old and of central European origin, just like most of the repertoire. Exceptions can be made for compositions that are likely to get a Grammy award.
    Use of continuous vibrato is a must, and on no account should applicants have a knighthood.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to Herman on Fri Feb 10 07:58:33 2023
    On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 2:09:09 PM UTC+11, Herman wrote:
    So to put it in a nutshell, the big disaster is the NYPH appointed a living conductor rather than a dead one from long ago.
    Isn't that totally RMCR?

    We see below that neither Kurt Masur nor Pierre Boulez were of the required standard. Incredible isn't it?

    Meanwhile, I'm enjoying the conducting of M. Stephane Fuget. The collective engagement of the singers and players in Les Epopees is startling, and you can see and hear it growing and growing.

    < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEgoqtLzHEI >

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Andrew Clarke on Fri Feb 10 12:03:13 2023
    On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 7:58:36 AM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:

    We see below that neither Kurt Masur nor Pierre
    Boulez were of the required standard. Incredible
    isn't it?

    Neither Kurt nor Pierre were good conductors.
    Semi-conductors at best.

    dk

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