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  • Tchaikovsky's Violin Concerto: a deep-dive into the best recordings

    From Gerard@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 7 03:12:07 2023
  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 7 04:04:41 2023
    Op dinsdag 7 februari 2023 om 12:12:09 UTC+1 schreef Gerard:
    https://www.gramophone.co.uk/features/article/tchaikovsky-s-violin-concerto-a-deep-dive-into-the-best-recordings

    Thanks! If only all reviews were as informative.

    Henk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to hvt...@xs4all.nl on Tue Feb 7 13:02:57 2023
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 4:04:45 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Op dinsdag 7 februari 2023 om 12:12:09 UTC+1 schreef Gerard:
    https://www.gramophone.co.uk/features/article/tchaikovsky-s-violin-concerto-a-deep-dive-into-the-best-recordings

    Thanks! If only all reviews were as informative.


    Or did you mean disinformative? That article is
    nothing more than a mechanically assembled
    liszt that unwittingly (or perhaps deliberately)
    omits a number of performances that cannot
    (or should not) be ignored.

    Bronislaw Hubermann
    Henryk Szeryng
    Ida Haendel
    Midori
    Vanessa Mae
    Mayuko Kamio
    Soyoung Yoon
    Clara Jumi-Kang
    Kristóf Baráti
    Pekka Kuusisto

    Do you see a pattern? Even Homo Harminius
    Batavicus would be able to notice the obvious
    bias towards old/dead white European fiddlers.

    The wrier also displays an obscene derogatory
    attitude towards highly individual artists. e.g.
    "If helter-skelter risk-taking is your thing, try
    Ivry Gitlis". Such language would barely be
    appropriate for describing sporting events.

    The Gramophoney is as phoney as ever, and
    becoming even more so issue by issue.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Tue Feb 7 14:06:54 2023
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 1:55:01 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 1:50:12 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 1:03:00 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 4:04:45 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Op dinsdag 7 februari 2023 om 12:12:09 UTC+1 schreef Gerard:
    https://www.gramophone.co.uk/features/article/tchaikovsky-s-violin-concerto-a-deep-dive-into-the-best-recordings

    Thanks! If only all reviews were as informative.

    Or did you mean disinformative? That article is
    nothing more than a mechanically assembled
    liszt that unwittingly (or perhaps deliberately)
    omits a number of performances that cannot
    (or should not) be ignored.

    Bronislaw Hubermann
    Henryk Szeryng
    Ida Haendel
    Midori
    Vanessa Mae
    Mayuko Kamio
    Soyoung Yoon
    Clara Jumi-Kang
    Kristóf Baráti
    Pekka Kuusisto

    And ofc Michael Rabin
    and Zino Francescatti.

    And Augustin Hadelich:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WVIxx8EfdM

    Szeryng's several recordings of the work are all
    outstanding. If I had to pick just one it would be
    one with Dorati conducting the LSO over the
    better known Munch and Haitink recordings.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29s7C_-cfc8

    Bonus points to anyone who can identify the
    similarities between Szeryng and Hadelich ;-)

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Tue Feb 7 13:50:09 2023
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 1:03:00 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 4:04:45 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Op dinsdag 7 februari 2023 om 12:12:09 UTC+1 schreef Gerard:
    https://www.gramophone.co.uk/features/article/tchaikovsky-s-violin-concerto-a-deep-dive-into-the-best-recordings

    Thanks! If only all reviews were as informative.

    Or did you mean disinformative? That article is
    nothing more than a mechanically assembled
    liszt that unwittingly (or perhaps deliberately)
    omits a number of performances that cannot
    (or should not) be ignored.

    Bronislaw Hubermann
    Henryk Szeryng
    Ida Haendel
    Midori
    Vanessa Mae
    Mayuko Kamio
    Soyoung Yoon
    Clara Jumi-Kang
    Kristóf Baráti
    Pekka Kuusisto


    And ofc Michael Rabin
    and Zino Francescatti.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Tue Feb 7 13:54:59 2023
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 1:50:12 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 1:03:00 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 4:04:45 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Op dinsdag 7 februari 2023 om 12:12:09 UTC+1 schreef Gerard:
    https://www.gramophone.co.uk/features/article/tchaikovsky-s-violin-concerto-a-deep-dive-into-the-best-recordings

    Thanks! If only all reviews were as informative.

    Or did you mean disinformative? That article is
    nothing more than a mechanically assembled
    liszt that unwittingly (or perhaps deliberately)
    omits a number of performances that cannot
    (or should not) be ignored.

    Bronislaw Hubermann
    Henryk Szeryng
    Ida Haendel
    Midori
    Vanessa Mae
    Mayuko Kamio
    Soyoung Yoon
    Clara Jumi-Kang
    Kristóf Baráti
    Pekka Kuusisto

    And ofc Michael Rabin
    and Zino Francescatti.

    And Augustin Hadelich:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WVIxx8EfdM

    dk

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 7 14:17:56 2023
    Op dinsdag 7 februari 2023 om 22:03:00 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 4:04:45 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Op dinsdag 7 februari 2023 om 12:12:09 UTC+1 schreef Gerard:
    https://www.gramophone.co.uk/features/article/tchaikovsky-s-violin-concerto-a-deep-dive-into-the-best-recordings

    Thanks! If only all reviews were as informative.

    Or did you mean disinformative? That article is
    nothing more than a mechanically assembled
    liszt that unwittingly (or perhaps deliberately)
    omits a number of performances that cannot
    (or should not) be ignored.

    Bronislaw Hubermann
    Henryk Szeryng
    Ida Haendel
    Midori
    Vanessa Mae
    Mayuko Kamio
    Soyoung Yoon
    Clara Jumi-Kang
    Kristóf Baráti
    Pekka Kuusisto

    Do you see a pattern? Even Homo Harminius
    Batavicus would be able to notice the obvious
    bias towards old/dead white European fiddlers.

    Are there many recordings of non-white and living [sic] fiddlers from the early days of recording?
    Vanessa Mae? Are you serious?
    He did mention Chen, Chung and Chang.
    I wouldn't say that Ida Haendel's Tchaikovsky deserved to be noticed. Didn't even know she recorded it.

    The wrier also displays an obscene derogatory
    attitude towards highly individual artists. e.g.
    "If helter-skelter risk-taking is your thing, try
    Ivry Gitlis". Such language would barely be
    appropriate for describing sporting events.

    The reviewer was very polite about Gitlis' performance. Ivry didn't only dare to sound ugly, he even sound ugly where he had no reason to sound so.

    The Gramophoney is as phoney as ever, and
    becoming even more so issue by issue.

    The review didn't 'sound' like The Gramophone at all. This reviewer really tried to be informative.

    Henk

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 7 14:33:28 2023
    Op dinsdag 7 februari 2023 om 23:17:59 UTC+1 schreef HT:
    Op dinsdag 7 februari 2023 om 22:03:00 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 4:04:45 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Op dinsdag 7 februari 2023 om 12:12:09 UTC+1 schreef Gerard:
    https://www.gramophone.co.uk/features/article/tchaikovsky-s-violin-concerto-a-deep-dive-into-the-best-recordings

    Thanks! If only all reviews were as informative.

    Or did you mean disinformative? That article is
    nothing more than a mechanically assembled
    liszt that unwittingly (or perhaps deliberately)
    omits a number of performances that cannot
    (or should not) be ignored.

    Bronislaw Hubermann
    Henryk Szeryng
    Ida Haendel
    Midori
    Vanessa Mae
    Mayuko Kamio
    Soyoung Yoon
    Clara Jumi-Kang
    Kristóf Baráti
    Pekka Kuusisto

    Do you see a pattern? Even Homo Harminius
    Batavicus would be able to notice the obvious
    bias towards old/dead white European fiddlers.
    Are there many recordings of non-white and living [sic] fiddlers from the early days of recording?
    Vanessa Mae? Are you serious?
    He did mention Chen, Chung and Chang.
    I wouldn't say that Ida Haendel's Tchaikovsky deserved to be noticed. Didn't even know she recorded it.
    The wrier also displays an obscene derogatory
    attitude towards highly individual artists. e.g.
    "If helter-skelter risk-taking is your thing, try
    Ivry Gitlis". Such language would barely be
    appropriate for describing sporting events.
    The reviewer was very polite about Gitlis' performance. Ivry didn't only dare to sound ugly, he even sound ugly where he had no reason to sound so.
    The Gramophoney is as phoney as ever, and
    becoming even more so issue by issue.
    The review didn't 'sound' like The Gramophone at all. This reviewer really tried to be informative.

    Henk

    BTW, from what I just heard Haendel certainly deserved to be noticed. What a great performance with the Stuttgart!

    Henk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to hvt...@xs4all.nl on Tue Feb 7 14:37:45 2023
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 2:33:31 PM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

    BTW, from what I just heard Haendel certainly deserved
    to be noticed. What a great performance with the Stuttgart!

    Haendel was the ultimate violin prodigy. She made the finals
    of the 1935 Wieniawski competition at age 7 that was won
    by Ginette Neveu, with Oistrakh placing second. Herman
    would not have listened to her until 1946!

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Tue Feb 7 17:45:33 2023
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 1:03:00 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 4:04:45 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Op dinsdag 7 februari 2023 om 12:12:09 UTC+1 schreef Gerard:
    https://www.gramophone.co.uk/features/article/tchaikovsky-s-violin-concerto-a-deep-dive-into-the-best-recordings

    Thanks! If only all reviews were as informative.

    Or did you mean disinformative? That article is
    nothing more than a mechanically assembled
    liszt that unwittingly (or perhaps deliberately)
    omits a number of performances that cannot
    (or should not) be ignored.

    Bronislaw Hubermann
    Henryk Szeryng
    Ida Haendel
    Midori
    Vanessa Mae
    Mayuko Kamio
    Soyoung Yoon
    Clara Jumi-Kang
    Kristóf Baráti
    Pekka Kuusisto

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvXq7URwYds

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Tue Feb 7 22:55:59 2023
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 10:53:11 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 1:03:00 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 4:04:45 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Op dinsdag 7 februari 2023 om 12:12:09 UTC+1 schreef Gerard:
    https://www.gramophone.co.uk/features/article/tchaikovsky-s-violin-concerto-a-deep-dive-into-the-best-recordings

    Thanks! If only all reviews were as informative.

    Or did you mean disinformative? That article is
    nothing more than a mechanically assembled
    liszt that unwittingly (or perhaps deliberately)
    omits a number of performances that cannot
    (or should not) be ignored.
    Mayuko Kamio

    https://youtu.be/8xwNlFcurB0?t=100

    She won the Tchaikovsky in 2007.

    As did Akiko Suwanai in 1990:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqAvOPnjVhQ

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Tue Feb 7 22:53:08 2023
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 1:03:00 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 4:04:45 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Op dinsdag 7 februari 2023 om 12:12:09 UTC+1 schreef Gerard:
    https://www.gramophone.co.uk/features/article/tchaikovsky-s-violin-concerto-a-deep-dive-into-the-best-recordings

    Thanks! If only all reviews were as informative.

    Or did you mean disinformative? That article is
    nothing more than a mechanically assembled
    liszt that unwittingly (or perhaps deliberately)
    omits a number of performances that cannot
    (or should not) be ignored.

    Mayuko Kamio

    https://youtu.be/8xwNlFcurB0?t=100

    She won the Tchaikovskyin 2007.

    dk

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  • From Chris J.@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 8 11:05:22 2023
    On 7 Feb 2023 Dan Koren wrote:

    Thanks! If only all reviews were as informative.

    That article is nothing more than a
    mechanically assembled liszt that unwittingly (or perhaps deliberately)
    omits a number of performances that cannot (or should not) be ignored.

    "mechanically assembled"?

    ChatGPT:

    Here are some of the most highly regarded recordings of this concerto:

    David Oistrakh: This legendary Russian violinist recorded the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto several times, including a famous recording with the
    Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Herbert von Karajan. Oistrakh
    is regarded as one of the greatest interpreters of this work, and this recording is widely considered a classic.

    Isaac Stern: Isaac Stern recorded the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto with the
    New York Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Leonard Bernstein. This
    recording is notable for its virtuosity, passion, and lyricism, and is
    widely regarded as one of the finest recordings of the concerto.

    Itzhak Perlman: This Israeli violinist recorded the Tchaikovsky Violin
    Concerto with the London Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by André Previn. Perlman is renowned for his warm, lush sound and his impeccable technique,
    and his recording of this concerto is widely considered one of the finest available.

    Maxim Vengerov: This Russian violinist recorded the Tchaikovsky Violin
    Concerto with the London Symphony Orchestra conducted by Mstislav
    Rostropovich. This recording is notable for its virtuosity, power, and
    drama, and is widely regarded as one of the best recordings of the
    concerto.

    Midori: This Japanese violinist recorded the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto
    with the New York Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Zubin Mehta. This recording is notable for its beauty, passion, and lyricism, and is widely regarded as one of the finest recordings of the concerto.

    These recordings are widely considered among the best available and are a
    great place to start for those looking to explore this wonderful work.

    According to ChatGPT, not me.
    ;-)

    Chris

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  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to Chris J. on Wed Feb 8 04:15:42 2023
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 6:05:26 AM UTC-5, Chris J. wrote:
    On 7 Feb 2023 Dan Koren wrote:

    Thanks! If only all reviews were as informative.
    That article is nothing more than a
    mechanically assembled liszt that unwittingly (or perhaps deliberately) omits a number of performances that cannot (or should not) be ignored.
    "mechanically assembled"?

    ChatGPT:

    Here are some of the most highly regarded recordings of this concerto:

    David Oistrakh: This legendary Russian violinist recorded the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto several times, including a famous recording with the
    Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Herbert von Karajan. Oistrakh
    is regarded as one of the greatest interpreters of this work, and this recording is widely considered a classic.

    Isaac Stern: Isaac Stern recorded the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto with the New York Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Leonard Bernstein. This recording is notable for its virtuosity, passion, and lyricism, and is widely regarded as one of the finest recordings of the concerto.

    Itzhak Perlman: This Israeli violinist recorded the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto with the London Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by André Previn. Perlman is renowned for his warm, lush sound and his impeccable technique, and his recording of this concerto is widely considered one of the finest available.

    Maxim Vengerov: This Russian violinist recorded the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto with the London Symphony Orchestra conducted by Mstislav Rostropovich. This recording is notable for its virtuosity, power, and drama, and is widely regarded as one of the best recordings of the
    concerto.

    Midori: This Japanese violinist recorded the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto with the New York Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Zubin Mehta. This recording is notable for its beauty, passion, and lyricism, and is widely regarded as one of the finest recordings of the concerto.

    These recordings are widely considered among the best available and are a great place to start for those looking to explore this wonderful work.

    According to ChatGPT, not me.
    ;-)

    Chris

    I’m sure all the recommended versions have something special about them. Having said that I’m surprised that no one mentioned Heifetz. I know it’s rather fashionable here to berate him these days. To me, he was a force of nature. His Tchaikovsky
    Concerto with Fritz Reiner particularly is a classic that will stay in print in one form or another for generations to come. The gramophone review cited in the original post pretty much says the same thing and I agree with it.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Chris J. on Wed Feb 8 12:33:08 2023
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 3:05:26 AM UTC-8, Chris J. wrote:
    On 7 Feb 2023 Dan Koren wrote:

    Thanks! If only all reviews were as informative.
    That article is nothing more than a
    mechanically assembled liszt that unwittingly (or perhaps deliberately) omits a number of performances that cannot (or should not) be ignored.
    "mechanically assembled"?

    ChatGPT:

    Here are some of the most highly regarded recordings of this concerto:

    David Oistrakh: This legendary Russian violinist recorded the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto several times, including a famous recording with the
    Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Herbert von Karajan. Oistrakh
    is regarded as one of the greatest interpreters of this work, and this recording is widely considered a classic.

    Isaac Stern: Isaac Stern recorded the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto with the New York Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Leonard Bernstein. This recording is notable for its virtuosity, passion, and lyricism, and is widely regarded as one of the finest recordings of the concerto.

    Itzhak Perlman: This Israeli violinist recorded the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto with the London Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by André Previn. Perlman is renowned for his warm, lush sound and his impeccable technique, and his recording of this concerto is widely considered one of the finest available.

    Maxim Vengerov: This Russian violinist recorded the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto with the London Symphony Orchestra conducted by Mstislav Rostropovich. This recording is notable for its virtuosity, power, and drama, and is widely regarded as one of the best recordings of the
    concerto.

    Midori: This Japanese violinist recorded the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto with the New York Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Zubin Mehta. This recording is notable for its beauty, passion, and lyricism, and is widely regarded as one of the finest recordings of the concerto.

    These recordings are widely considered among the best available and are a great place to start for those looking to explore this wonderful work.

    According to ChatGPT, not me.
    ;-)

    This reads like a serious competitive threat to the Gramophoney! ;-)

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Wed Feb 8 12:36:27 2023
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 4:15:45 AM UTC-8, JohnGavin wrote:

    I’m sure all the recommended versions have something special about them.

    Unique packaging? Being short liste by the Gramophoney?

    Having said that I’m surprised that no one mentioned Heifetz.
    I know it’s rather fashionable here to berate him these days.

    ?!? How does not mentioning JH amount to "berating" him?

    To me, he was a force of nature. His Tchaikovsky Concerto with
    Fritz Reiner particularly is a classic that will stay in print in one
    form or another for generations to come. The gramophone
    review cited in the original post pretty much says the same
    thing and I agree with it.

    Siding with "authority" as usual?

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Wed Feb 8 12:57:07 2023
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 12:36:30 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 4:15:45 AM UTC-8, JohnGavin wrote:

    I’m sure all the recommended versions have something special about them.
    Unique packaging? Being short liste by the Gramophoney?
    Having said that I’m surprised that no one mentioned Heifetz.
    I know it’s rather fashionable here to berate him these days.
    ?!? How does not mentioning JH amount to "berating" him?
    To me, he was a force of nature. His Tchaikovsky Concerto with
    Fritz Reiner particularly is a classic that will stay in print in one
    form or another for generations to come. The gramophone
    review cited in the original post pretty much says the same
    thing and I agree with it.
    Siding with "authority" as usual?

    Can you spell M-E-C-H-A-N-I-C-A-L and U-N-I-N-V-O-L-V-E-D ?!?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jltp_iHe7u4

    Here's some music for you -- after you flush your ears:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tTpYZs3sYc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svWKq_eac5k

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qap8ssjHsNA

    Heifetz was a "stuffed suit".

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to hvt...@xs4all.nl on Wed Feb 8 13:29:01 2023
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Here's some music for you -- after you flush your ears:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tTpYZs3sYc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svWKq_eac5k

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qap8ssjHsNA

    Heifetz was a "stuffed suit".

    Gitlis between Midori and Haendel? Demonstrating the
    difference between playing and scratching the violin?

    Different approaches. You can re-arrange as you please.
    Just don't mix in any stuffed suits.

    dk

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 8 13:19:08 2023
    Here's some music for you -- after you flush your ears:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tTpYZs3sYc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svWKq_eac5k

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qap8ssjHsNA

    Heifetz was a "stuffed suit".

    Gitlis between Midori and Haendel? Demonstrating the difference between playing and scratching the violin?

    Henk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Wed Feb 8 13:32:16 2023
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 1:29:04 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Here's some music for you -- after you flush your ears:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tTpYZs3sYc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svWKq_eac5k

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qap8ssjHsNA

    Heifetz was a "stuffed suit".

    Gitlis between Midori and Haendel? Demonstrating the
    difference between playing and scratching the violin?

    Different approaches. You can re-arrange as you please.
    Just don't mix in any stuffed suits.

    One may mix in Kremer, Vengerov or KWC for diversity.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to hvt...@xs4all.nl on Wed Feb 8 16:31:10 2023
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 2:17:59 PM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

    Are there many recordings of non-white and living
    [sic] fiddlers from the early days of recording?

    The "early days" of recording have long passed.

    Vanessa Mae? Are you serious?

    Yes, I am. She recorded a remarkable one before
    she switched to pop.

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nx3imgG9UCUAxK8VWlEM-Zk0YZH4wVLtM

    He did mention Chen, Chung and Chang.
    I wouldn't say that Ida Haendel's Tchaikovsky
    deserved to be noticed. Didn't even know she
    recorded it.

    She performed and/or recorded all the major
    violin concerti.

    The wrier also displays an obscene derogatory
    attitude towards highly individual artists. e.g.
    "If helter-skelter risk-taking is your thing, try
    Ivry Gitlis". Such language would barely be
    appropriate for describing sporting events.

    The reviewer was very polite about Gitlis'
    performance. Ivry didn't only dare to sound
    ugly, he even sound ugly where he had no
    reason to sound so.

    Matter of taste. Gitlis was a genius, unlike
    most other fiddlers.

    The Gramophoney is as phoney as ever, and
    becoming even more so issue by issue.

    The review didn't 'sound' like The Gramophone
    at all. This reviewer really tried to be informative.

    "Informative"?!? ROTFL !!!

    dk

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  • From Al Eisner@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Fri Feb 10 12:45:44 2023
    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Wed, 8 Feb 2023, JohnGavin wrote:

    I’m sure all the recommended versions have something special about them. Having said that I’m surprised that no one mentioned Heifetz.

    See initial post of this thread. (True, ChapGPT did not mention him,
    but that may also qualify as "no-one".)
    --
    Al Eisner

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 10 13:42:25 2023
    On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 1:32:47 PM UTC-8, AB wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 7:31:13 PM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 2:17:59 PM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

    Are there many recordings of non-white and living
    [sic] fiddlers from the early days of recording?
    The "early days" of recording have long passed.
    Vanessa Mae? Are you serious?
    Yes, I am. She recorded a remarkable one before
    she switched to pop.

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nx3imgG9UCUAxK8VWlEM-Zk0YZH4wVLtM
    He did mention Chen, Chung and Chang.
    I wouldn't say that Ida Haendel's Tchaikovsky
    deserved to be noticed. Didn't even know she
    recorded it.
    She performed and/or recorded all the major
    violin concerti.
    The wrier also displays an obscene derogatory
    attitude towards highly individual artists. e.g.
    "If helter-skelter risk-taking is your thing, try
    Ivry Gitlis". Such language would barely be
    appropriate for describing sporting events.

    The reviewer was very polite about Gitlis'
    performance. Ivry didn't only dare to sound
    ugly, he even sound ugly where he had no
    reason to sound so.
    Matter of taste. Gitlis was a genius, unlike
    most other fiddlers.
    The Gramophoney is as phoney as ever, and
    becoming even more so issue by issue.

    The review didn't 'sound' like The Gramophone
    at all. This reviewer really tried to be informative.
    "Informative"?!? ROTFL !!!

    listening to the Tchaikovsky. not great but 'legitimate'!

    Exactly.

    dk

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  • From AB@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Fri Feb 10 13:32:45 2023
    On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 7:31:13 PM UTC-5, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 2:17:59 PM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

    Are there many recordings of non-white and living
    [sic] fiddlers from the early days of recording?
    The "early days" of recording have long passed.
    Vanessa Mae? Are you serious?
    Yes, I am. She recorded a remarkable one before
    she switched to pop.

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nx3imgG9UCUAxK8VWlEM-Zk0YZH4wVLtM
    He did mention Chen, Chung and Chang.
    I wouldn't say that Ida Haendel's Tchaikovsky
    deserved to be noticed. Didn't even know she
    recorded it.
    She performed and/or recorded all the major
    violin concerti.
    The wrier also displays an obscene derogatory
    attitude towards highly individual artists. e.g.
    "If helter-skelter risk-taking is your thing, try
    Ivry Gitlis". Such language would barely be
    appropriate for describing sporting events.

    The reviewer was very polite about Gitlis'
    performance. Ivry didn't only dare to sound
    ugly, he even sound ugly where he had no
    reason to sound so.
    Matter of taste. Gitlis was a genius, unlike
    most other fiddlers.
    The Gramophoney is as phoney as ever, and
    becoming even more so issue by issue.

    The review didn't 'sound' like The Gramophone
    at all. This reviewer really tried to be informative.
    "Informative"?!? ROTFL !!!

    dk

    listening to the Tchaikovsky. not great but 'legitimate'!

    AB'

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 10 23:42:17 2023
    Here's another recent one by Moné Hattori:

    https://youtu.be/aw3lZmANpGw?t=960

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Mon Feb 13 23:55:34 2023
    On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 11:42:20 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:

    Here's another recent one by Moné Hattori:

    https://youtu.be/aw3lZmANpGw?t=960


    And one by Soyoung Yoon:

    https://youtu.be/CI3bV35LQDE?t=225

    dk

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