• Lahav Shani moves from Rotterdam Phil to Munich Phil

    From Herman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 28 08:46:27 2023
    As soon as Lahav Shani has served out his second term with the Rotterdam Philharmonic, which he revitalised after the chaotic Gergiev era, he will move to the Munich Philharmonic starting 2026.

    Shani was one of those conductors who occasionally joined Wang and other soloists for a quatre-mains encore.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Herman on Sat Jan 28 12:09:19 2023
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 8:46:30 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:

    Shani was one of those conductors who occasionally
    joined Wang and other soloists for a quatre-mains encore.

    He should have slapped her with both hands instead.

    dk

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 28 12:11:56 2023
    Shut your stupid mouth, you racist idiot.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Herman on Sat Jan 28 12:25:32 2023
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 12:11:58 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:

    Shut your stupid mouth,
    you racist idiot.

    Did you pick that line
    from van Tonningen?

    The Netherlands have
    not produced a bigger
    excrement than you.

    dk

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Sat Mar 4 03:55:53 2023
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 12:19:52 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:

    Do you go to many live concerts these days, Herman? Plenty of good music in the Netherlands.

    Chamber music, mostly.

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to Herman on Sat Mar 4 03:19:50 2023
    On Saturday, 28 January 2023 at 16:46:30 UTC, Herman wrote:
    As soon as Lahav Shani has served out his second term with the Rotterdam Philharmonic, which he revitalised after the chaotic Gergiev era, he will move to the Munich Philharmonic starting 2026.
    Shani was one of those conductors who occasionally joined Wang and other soloists for a quatre-mains encore.

    Do you go to many live concerts these days, Herman? Plenty of good music in the Netherlands.

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  • From mswdesign@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Herman on Sat Mar 4 09:41:28 2023
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 2:11:58 PM UTC-6, Herman wrote:
    Shut your stupid mouth, you racist idiot.

    Herman: The newsgroup isn't what it used to be AND I will verbally assault those I hold a grudge against whenever the opportunity presents itself.

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to Herman on Sat Mar 4 09:56:46 2023
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 9:11:58 PM UTC+1, Herman wrote:
    Shut your stupid mouth, you racist idiot.

    This was in reaction to the stupid "funny" fantasy the conductor should slap Yuja Wang in the face.,

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  • From mswdesign@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Herman on Sat Mar 4 12:52:53 2023
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 11:56:48 AM UTC-6, Herman wrote:
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 9:11:58 PM UTC+1, Herman wrote:
    Shut your stupid mouth, you racist idiot.
    This was in reaction to the stupid "funny" fantasy the conductor should slap Yuja Wang in the face.,

    Yeah, Tomomi Nishimoto's biggest US booster is actually a China-specific racist. You really think a man who has shown very strong opinions about performers here since day one is actually guided by racial concerns? Dan's brand is strong opinions about
    music and just because the topic is a Chinese woman, that doesn't make him a racist.

    That you would reach for the "racist!" card when sexism is quite explicitly an issue here is also baffling. For myself, since nobody in reality ever slaps someone with both hands (How would you do that? Why? Wouldn't you look like an idiot?), I took that
    as a sign of intentional rhetorical excess to make a point- a point you' really not interested in, because you have a whopper of an axe to grind.

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to mswd...@gmail.com on Sat Mar 4 13:22:04 2023
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:52:56 PM UTC+1, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
    I took that as a sign of intentional rhetorical excess

    Well, that's very smart of you.
    However it has not occurred to you that many RMCR members are sick of this renlentless "intentional rhetorical excess" - calling people antisemites because they say a non-Jewish performer can play his instrument, for instance? Talking about violence
    against another performer, just because she's not to his taste?
    Is there anyone else on RMCR who does these things?

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 4 13:39:29 2023
    You seem to be one of those men who admire "strong" opinions , whereas in reality it's just stupid silly stuff.
    but go ahead and enable.

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to mswd...@gmail.com on Sat Mar 4 13:15:53 2023
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:52:56 PM UTC+1, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:


    That you would reach for the "racist!" card when sexism is quite explicitly an issue here is also baffling.

    baffling to you.

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Herman on Sat Mar 4 19:57:46 2023
    On 3/4/2023 4:15 PM, Herman wrote:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:52:56 PM UTC+1, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:


    That you would reach for the "racist!" card when sexism is quite explicitly an issue here is also baffling.

    baffling to you.

    That's what he said. Nice comprehension.

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Herman on Sat Mar 4 20:05:28 2023
    On 3/4/2023 4:22 PM, Herman wrote:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:52:56 PM UTC+1, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
    I took that as a sign of intentional rhetorical excess

    Well, that's very smart of you.
    However it has not occurred to you that many RMCR members are sick of this renlentless "intentional rhetorical excess" - calling people antisemites because they say a non-Jewish performer can play his instrument, for instance? Talking about violence
    against another performer, just because she's not to his taste?
    Is there anyone else on RMCR who does these things?

    Whether Dan's accusation had any basis or not, you have consistently mischaracterized what he actually said. He suggested antisemitism because (he said) you never mention Jewish violinists. Now either he is wrong about that or he is not. If correct,
    why would that be? He DID NOT call you an antisemite because you praised a non-Jewish performer. Your best response would have been a reasoned one, not going beserk and lying.

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Sat Mar 4 18:49:49 2023
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 2:05:41 AM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/4/2023 4:22 PM, Herman wrote:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:52:56 PM UTC+1, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
    I took that as a sign of intentional rhetorical excess

    Well, that's very smart of you.
    However it has not occurred to you that many RMCR members are sick of this renlentless "intentional rhetorical excess" - calling people antisemites because they say a non-Jewish performer can play his instrument, for instance? Talking about violence
    against another performer, just because she's not to his taste?
    Is there anyone else on RMCR who does these things?
    Whether Dan's accusation had any basis or not, you have consistently mischaracterized what he actually said. He suggested antisemitism because (he said) you never mention Jewish violinists. Now either he is wrong about that or he is not. If correct,
    why would that be? He DID NOT call you an antisemite because you praised a non-Jewish performer. Your best response would have been a reasoned one, not going beserk and lying.

    The one who is lying is you. I have (absurdly*) explained two or three times why I don't mention individual performers a lot. a lot of people take pride in their connoisseur picks, I don't. There are a million performers; I have only heard a dozen. I don'
    t spend my life comparing.
    There is also the little detail, Frank, that I said I admire the viola player Raphael Hillyer more than anyone, and this evil piece of scum DK, whom you always support and applaud, said this proved I was an antisemite because he was a viola player (not a
    violinist).
    And you like the little snivelling bully admirer you are keep coming back saying, well, maybe I am an antisemtie, after all, because I never definitively proved I am not.
    * it's absurd that people like Andy and me, several other have to spend time exculpating themselves aganst bizarre claims, just because there are lazy liars like you around.

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  • From mswdesign@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Herman on Sat Mar 4 21:32:18 2023
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 3:15:55 PM UTC-6, Herman wrote:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:52:56 PM UTC+1, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:


    That you would reach for the "racist!" card when sexism is quite explicitly an issue here is also baffling.
    baffling to you.

    Yes, baffling to me. Do you want to somehow counter the possibility that your response is baffling or do you want to argue like a teenager?

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  • From mswdesign@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Herman on Sat Mar 4 22:24:26 2023
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 3:39:31 PM UTC-6, Herman wrote:
    You seem to be one of those men who admire "strong" opinions , whereas in reality it's just stupid silly stuff.
    but go ahead and enable.

    I'm open to anyone's thoughts. If you want to have this idea of me, fine, I don't really care. But I'm not foolish enough to prejudge an opinion just because it is strong.

    Also, the fact that I'm not behaving like you doesn't make me an enabler of anything.

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Sun Mar 5 01:04:58 2023
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 2:05:41 AM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/4/2023 4:22 PM, Herman wrote:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:52:56 PM UTC+1, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
    I took that as a sign of intentional rhetorical excess

    Well, that's very smart of you.
    However it has not occurred to you that many RMCR members are sick of this renlentless "intentional rhetorical excess" - calling people antisemites because they say a non-Jewish performer can play his instrument, for instance? Talking about violence
    against another performer, just because she's not to his taste?
    Is there anyone else on RMCR who does these things?
    Whether Dan's accusation had any basis or not, you have consistently mischaracterized what he actually said. He suggested antisemitism because (he said) you never mention Jewish violinists. Now either he is wrong about that or he is not. If correct,
    why would that be? He DID NOT call you an antisemite because you praised a non-Jewish performer. Your best response would have been a reasoned one, not going beserk and lying.

    You're just lying, like you always do.
    When DK said Isabelle Faust couldn't play the violin, she was off pitch and screechy, all I said was she is an excellent violinist.
    It's rather tiresome to see a person who clearly has not a single clue about musical performance voice these fake strong opinions, and pressure other participants to adopt these idiotic opinions, because who wants to be called an antisemite or a
    brainfucked imbecile all the time?
    I would not have mentioned Isabelle Faust all by myself, but DK started trashing her playing
    - maybe because she's not Jewish, maybe because her hair is short. Certainly not because of her playing, because she's one of the best violiniusts of her generation. But DK would not know that because he can't hear a thing.
    Personally I think it's totally idiotic and primitive to first check whether a performer is Jewish or not before saying something about them. So this is why I have stopped mentioning any performer names. In response to Mandryka / Howie's Variations
    Serieuses I thought of mentioning my favorite performance. But I did not. This pianist is the son of two holocaust survivors, just like my childhood neighbours, but in my view it's just too awful to have these discussions all the time.
    It's pretty obvious that people like Frank, Marc S and the godawful racist DK, whose forever harrassing Melmoth because he happens to be French, should take their business to a online place where they can have fights about these issues all the time,. but
    of course they won't.

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Herman on Sun Mar 5 09:06:24 2023
    On 3/5/2023 4:04 AM, Herman wrote:
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 2:05:41 AM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/4/2023 4:22 PM, Herman wrote:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:52:56 PM UTC+1, mswd...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> I took that as a sign of intentional rhetorical excess

    Well, that's very smart of you.
    However it has not occurred to you that many RMCR members are sick of this renlentless "intentional rhetorical excess" - calling people antisemites because they say a non-Jewish performer can play his instrument, for instance? Talking about violence
    against another performer, just because she's not to his taste?
    Is there anyone else on RMCR who does these things?
    Whether Dan's accusation had any basis or not, you have consistently mischaracterized what he actually said. He suggested antisemitism because (he said) you never mention Jewish violinists. Now either he is wrong about that or he is not. If correct,
    why would that be? He DID NOT call you an antisemite because you praised a non-Jewish performer. Your best response would have been a reasoned one, not going beserk and lying.

    You're just lying, like you always do.

    You are so consumed by rage that you can't even read.


    When DK said Isabelle Faust couldn't play the violin, she was off pitch and screechy, all I said was she is an excellent violinist.

    It's not what you said, it's what Dan said. Read what I wrote. It's simple.

    (irrelevant stuff cut).

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 5 07:32:19 2023
    well, my memory was not that bad.

    Bob Harper introduced a link to a concert by Klaus Makela and Isabelle Faust, saying he liked the Brahms they'd been playing.
    This raised the ire of DK, who hates both Makela for being young, and Faust for being non-Jewish or something. It's not worth thinking about.
    Isabelle Faust, one of the more sought after violinists of her generation is called a "murderer" (the violent rhetoric is really nauseating), and her tone is supposedly screechy and "woobly" - I'd say DKs English is "woobly", but what can one expect?
    It leads me to think that some people just can't hear pitch properly.

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Herman on Sun Mar 5 11:02:15 2023
    On 3/5/2023 10:54 AM, Herman wrote:
    His violin goddess is ... Isabelle Faust. OMG!

    Faust is not really my "goddess" - I don't do idolizing - however here is the excellent performance of the Bach C major solo sonata, condemmed by DK as "nasty and screechy".
    It's like hearing American teenagers complaining about food that is not MacDonald's. Or Trump for that matter.
    Not everone performs Bach with the fulsome Russian school tone DK demands. It makes sense that violinists don't do this, because JSBach was not a Russian from the early 1900s. This is the problem of these socvalled "strong opinions". They're
    excessively blinkered and stupid.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aeWS-mMgWQ


    I don't see why Dan is not as entitled to an opinion about Faust as you are.

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to Bob Harper on Sun Mar 5 07:33:28 2023
    On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 7:21:47 AM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:
    On 6/5/22 1:46 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 1:29:16 AM UTC-7, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 3:27:38 PM UTC+10, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 8:20:40 PM UTC-7, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:

    I'm watching to a fine performance of the Brahms VC
    played by Isabelle Faust with the Orchestre de Paris
    conducted by Klaus Makkela.
    Is this the murder you were watching?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWIWPfu8nmE

    Excellent concert, warmly applauded. And
    as the supply of septuagenarian American
    conductors of Central European origin is
    running out, you may just have to get
    used to other ways of doing things.


    I couldn't care less about conductors.
    The murderer here was Isabelle Faust.

    ? I heard only the brief excerpt, but
    it sounded pretty impressive to
    me. What's your beef with it?

    No beef, I am vegetarian!

    Screechy tone, woobly
    intonation. No trace
    of music.

    dk

    Here is a perfect example why I don't like Faust:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aeWS-mMgWQ

    How is it possible to allow someone on stage
    who produces such a nasty, screechy tone ?!?
    It literally makes one sick to one's stomach!



    On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 11:17:36 AM UTC+2, Andy Evans wrote:

    I'm happy to return to violinists, though. This thread sparked off my thread on the Bach solo violin works and Dan gave me some good tips. I've spent hours listening to violinists. This happened to co-incide with some changes I made to my sound system
    which improved the sound of the treble and that of violins, so it's been a rewarding journey. And it's led me beyond Faust to violinists like KW Chung, Aaron Rosand, Gidon Kremer, Edinger and more which I wouldn't have listened to otherwise.

    Well, the funny thing was, as always DK overwhelmed the entire discussion with idiotic ignorant bloviating about Isabelle Faust, who is one of the most interesting violinists of this time, but... she doesn't have long flowing hair, so in DK's view she's
    bad.

    It's that simple.

    It's really awful to see people cower before this ignorant, just because he's always ready to abuse posters who like different performers.



    Herman is obviously an anti-Semite. Just look
    at the list of people he keeps attacking: you,
    me, DH, etc... Also look at the list of fiddlers
    he likes and promotes. He never mentioned
    a single Jewish violinist, even though Jews
    are quite prominent in the fiddling business.
    His violin goddess is ... Isabelle Faust. OMG!

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Herman on Sun Mar 5 11:05:58 2023
    On 3/5/2023 10:32 AM, Herman wrote:
    well, my memory was not that bad.

    Bob Harper introduced a link to a concert by Klaus Makela and Isabelle Faust, saying he liked the Brahms they'd been playing.
    This raised the ire of DK, who hates both Makela for being young, and Faust for being non-Jewish or something.

    He explicitly stated why he doesn't like Faust's playing. You are making stuff up and you are embarrassing yourself.



    It's not worth thinking about.
    Isabelle Faust, one of the more sought after violinists of her generation is called a "murderer" (the violent rhetoric is really nauseating),

    Obviously, he meant she murdered the music, which is a perfectly valid simile.



    and her tone is supposedly screechy and "woobly" -

    Not "supposedly." it is his opinion, period.>


    I'd say DKs English is "woobly", but what can one expect? It leads me to think that some people just can't hear pitch properly.

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 5 07:54:30 2023
    His violin goddess is ... Isabelle Faust. OMG!

    Faust is not really my "goddess" - I don't do idolizing - however here is the excellent performance of the Bach C major solo sonata, condemmed by DK as "nasty and screechy".
    It's like hearing American teenagers complaining about food that is not MacDonald's. Or Trump for that matter.
    Not everone performs Bach with the fulsome Russian school tone DK demands. It makes sense that violinists don't do this, because JSBach was not a Russian from the early 1900s. This is the problem of these socvalled "strong opinions". They're excessively
    blinkered and stupid.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aeWS-mMgWQ

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Sun Mar 5 08:16:40 2023
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 5:06:09 PM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/5/2023 10:32 AM, Herman wrote:

    Bob Harper introduced a link to a concert by Klaus Makela and Isabelle Faust, saying he liked the Brahms they'd been playing.
    This raised the ire of DK, who hates both Makela for being young, and Faust for being non-Jewish or something.
    He explicitly stated why he doesn't like Faust's playing. You are making stuff up and you are embarrassing yourself.

    Faust's control of the instrument is impeccable. I play the violin and she's not screechy or wobbly. This is just all made-up stuff.
    It's like DK saying he wouldn't pay a whole roster of top conductors "a penny".
    It's narcissism. "Nobody's better than me, even though all I do is watch youtube all day."
    It's a very common affliction, but that doesbn't make it any better.
    I know you admire this, but it's nauseating to other people, which is why people protest.

    It's not worth thinking about.
    Isabelle Faust, one of the more sought after violinists of her generation is called a "murderer" (the violent rhetoric is really nauseating),
    Obviously, he meant she murdered the music, which is a perfectly valid simile.

    As per usual, you're going the extra mile to exculpate the culpable. He said she's a murderer.
    You;re embarrassing yourself.
    And it's not perfectly valid. The violence of this rhetoric is too much. Performers should be slapped, they're murderers, it's just too much.

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Herman on Sun Mar 5 11:29:07 2023
    On 3/5/2023 11:16 AM, Herman wrote:
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 5:06:09 PM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/5/2023 10:32 AM, Herman wrote:

    Bob Harper introduced a link to a concert by Klaus Makela and Isabelle Faust, saying he liked the Brahms they'd been playing.
    This raised the ire of DK, who hates both Makela for being young, and Faust for being non-Jewish or something.
    He explicitly stated why he doesn't like Faust's playing. You are making stuff up and you are embarrassing yourself.

    Faust's control of the instrument is impeccable. I play the violin and she's not screechy or wobbly. This is just all made-up stuff.

    Stop trying to convince me. You have a difference of opinion. He is rude. You don't like it. You'll never forgive him for calling you an antisemite. He can't tell you to get over it, but there's no point to your ranting. It will make you ill.


    It's like DK saying he wouldn't pay a whole roster of top conductors "a penny".
    It's narcissism. "Nobody's better than me, even though all I do is watch youtube all day."
    It's a very common affliction, but that doesbn't make it any better.
    I know you admire this,

    You don't know that, because I don't admire it. You've lost your grip on reality.


    but it's nauseating to other people, which is why people protest.


    Nobody takes him as seriously as you do. Think about it.


    It's not worth thinking about.
    Isabelle Faust, one of the more sought after violinists of her generation is called a "murderer" (the violent rhetoric is really nauseating),
    Obviously, he meant she murdered the music, which is a perfectly valid simile.

    As per usual, you're going the extra mile to exculpate the culpable. He said she's a murderer.

    You just don't listen, do you?

    And when someone does well on a test, they say, "Í killed it." It's not to be taken literally.


    You;re embarrassing yourself.
    And it's not perfectly valid. The violence of this rhetoric is too much. Performers should be slapped, they're murderers, it's just too much.

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  • From Notsure01@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Sun Mar 5 15:29:21 2023
    On 3/5/2023 11:16 AM, Herman wrote:

    Faust's control of the instrument is impeccable. I play the violin and
    she's not screechy or wobbly. This is just all made-up stuff.


    On 3/5/23 11:29 AM, Frank Berger wrote:
    Stop trying to convince me.  You have a difference of opinion. He is
    rude.  You don't like it.  You'll never forgive him for calling you an antisemite.  He can't tell you to get over it, but there's no point to
    your ranting. It will make you ill.


    Well, I know I promised Todd to cease my lecturing about proper
    behavior, so instead of repeating my homilies I have a few comments and suggestions:

    1. Calling someone an antisemite is a vile accusation. Herman is right
    to object strongly!

    2. But Dan delights in being outrageous and provocative. He is certainly
    not going to change!

    3. Frank is consistently rational, but many folks here are... not quite
    as rational!

    4. Despite all our bickering, we all share a great love for music and a fascination with appreciating different performances!

    5. So, I very humbly request that Herman avoid as much as possible
    pointing out the outrageousness of Dan's general comments - and be more tolerant in general of the breaches of proper decorum that have been
    known to occur here.

    6. We also all should appreciate Frank's willingness to try to help...

    7. Speaking for myself, I don't mind discussion that is.. lively. But
    for the health of the group - and benefit of the hordes of silent people
    who follow RMCR but don't post, could we please start OT threads for
    nonmusical topics? I'm going to revive a previous one which could be
    used for us to discuss Antisemitism (and I won't have to rehash *my*
    opinions which are there).

    8. Music has been - and will always be - a key part of my life - and
    RMCR has been very valuable for me - so thank you all who participate!!

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 5 13:03:14 2023
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 9:29:26 PM UTC+1, Notsure01 wrote:

    I'm going to revive a previous one which could be
    used for us to discuss Antisemitism

    Please don't.

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 5 16:10:25 2023
    On 3/5/2023 3:29 PM, Notsure01 wrote:

    On 3/5/2023 11:16 AM, Herman wrote:

    Faust's control of the instrument is impeccable. I play the violin and she's not screechy or wobbly. This is just all made-up stuff.


    On 3/5/23 11:29 AM, Frank Berger wrote:
    Stop trying to convince me.  You have a difference of opinion. He is rude.  You don't like it.  You'll never forgive him for calling you an antisemite.  He can't tell you to get over it, but there's no point to your ranting. It will make you ill.


    Well, I know I promised Todd to cease my lecturing about proper behavior, so instead of repeating my homilies I have a few comments and suggestions:

    1. Calling someone an antisemite is a vile accusation. Herman is right to object strongly!


    He has objected strongly. Over and over and over and over. He can't get over it. If Dan is such a piece of shit as Herman says (over and over) then what does the accusation matter?

    It's not the accusation itself. If the accused is an antisemite then the accusation is not vile. I am not saying Herman is. That is Dan's opinion.

    2. But Dan delights in being outrageous and provocative. He is certainly not going to change!

    Obviously. There is no justifying it, other than it his right. Interesting that of all people he has called for RMCR to be moderated.


    3. Frank is consistently rational, but many folks here are... not quite as rational!


    I try to always be rational (not always succeeding). It is my nature. I understand that in my "conversation" with Herman I am coming from an intellectual or analytic place, and he he coming from an emotional place. Not a recipe for good communication.



    4. Despite all our bickering, we all share a great love for music and a fascination with appreciating different performances!

    5. So, I very humbly request that Herman avoid as much as possible pointing out the outrageousness of Dan's general comments - and be more tolerant in general of the breaches of proper decorum that have been known to occur here.


    He doesn't have to be more tolerant. He just needs to be quiet.


    6. We also all should appreciate Frank's willingness to try to help...


    Thank you.


    7. Speaking for myself, I don't mind discussion that is.. lively. But for the health of the group - and benefit of the hordes of silent people who follow RMCR but don't post, could we please start OT threads for nonmusical topics? I'm going to revive a
    previous one which could be used for us to discuss Antisemitism (and I won't have to rehash *my* opinions which are there).

    8. Music has been - and will always be - a key part of my life - and RMCR has been very valuable for me - so thank you all who participate!!

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  • From Todd M. McComb@21:1/5 to herstx@yahoo.com on Sun Mar 5 21:07:36 2023
    In article <cf4dbf94-b57c-4b9f-8232-6641f2841504n@googlegroups.com>,
    Herman <herstx@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 9:29:26 PM UTC+1, Notsure01 wrote:
    I'm going to revive a previous one which could be
    used for us to discuss Antisemitism
    Please don't.

    To be clear, Mr. NotSure, I not only strongly object to your attempts
    to curate a discussion here on anti-semitism, but disagree with
    many of your bullet points from the previous post as well.

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  • From Notsure01@21:1/5 to Herman on Sun Mar 5 16:43:59 2023
    On 3/5/23 4:03 PM, Herman wrote:
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 9:29:26 PM UTC+1, Notsure01 wrote:

    I'm going to revive a previous one which could be
    used for us to discuss Antisemitism

    Please don't.

    I don't think anything much is accomplished by that discussion, but
    there seems to be no avoiding it. My suggestion is rather than having
    the topic spring up incessantly in unrelated threads that there be a
    central location for those that are interested.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 5 13:52:26 2023
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 1:44:03 PM UTC-8, Notsure01 wrote:
    On 3/5/23 4:03 PM, Herman wrote:
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 9:29:26 PM UTC+1, Notsure01 wrote:

    I'm going to revive a previous one which could be
    used for us to discuss Antisemitism

    Please don't.

    I don't think anything much is accomplished by that
    discussion, but there seems to be no avoiding it. My
    suggestion is rather than having the topic spring up
    incessantly in unrelated threads that there be a
    central location for those that are interested.

    Complete with a central authority, central police,
    central censorship, central courts, and central
    self-restraint? Have amoebas eaten all your
    brain?

    I hope you realize what you describe is
    Reddit, more or less. Go camp there.

    I am now convinced your distinguished
    careeer was 100% stuffing suits every
    morning.

    dk

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  • From Notsure01@21:1/5 to Todd M. McComb on Sun Mar 5 16:58:09 2023
    On 3/5/23 4:07 PM, Todd M. McComb wrote:
    In article <cf4dbf94-b57c-4b9f-8232-6641f2841504n@googlegroups.com>,
    Herman <herstx@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 9:29:26 PM UTC+1, Notsure01 wrote:
    I'm going to revive a previous one which could be
    used for us to discuss Antisemitism
    Please don't.

    To be clear, Mr. NotSure, I not only strongly object to your attempts
    to curate a discussion here on anti-semitism, but disagree with
    many of your bullet points from the previous post as well.

    I'm not sure what is meant by "attempts to curate". Since the topic
    keeps coming up. I was just suggesting that there be a central place for
    the discussion. I have no particular interest in the topic and have
    never raised the issue.

    As to the bullet points you object to, it would help if you could be
    more specific - I've heard complaints before about my being "preachy" so
    I imagine thst is your real objection - but I'm happy to discuss other
    points of disagreement...

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  • From Todd M. McComb@21:1/5 to docduc1013@aol.com on Sun Mar 5 22:02:28 2023
    In article <1b496c7a-9ce6-6d31-e53b-c5040a49da91@aol.com>,
    Notsure01 <docduc1013@aol.com> wrote:
    I have no particular interest in the topic and have never raised
    the issue.

    Now you're being disingenuous. If you have no interest in the topic,
    then shut up about it.

    As to the bullet points you object to, it would help if you could be
    more specific

    No it would not. Just assume at this point that I disagree with
    everything you have to say. That's more than sufficient for me.

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  • From Notsure01@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Sun Mar 5 18:12:22 2023
    On 3/5/23 4:52 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 1:44:03 PM UTC-8, Notsure01 wrote:
    On 3/5/23 4:03 PM, Herman wrote:
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 9:29:26 PM UTC+1, Notsure01 wrote:

    I'm going to revive a previous one which could be
    used for us to discuss Antisemitism

    Please don't.

    I don't think anything much is accomplished by that
    discussion, but there seems to be no avoiding it. My
    suggestion is rather than having the topic spring up
    incessantly in unrelated threads that there be a
    central location for those that are interested.

    Complete with a central authority, central police,
    central censorship, central courts, and central
    self-restraint? Have amoebas eaten all your
    brain?

    I hope you realize what you describe is
    Reddit, more or less. Go camp there.

    I am now convinced your distinguished
    careeer was 100% stuffing suits every
    morning.

    dk

    Let's try to actually accomplish something today. To help us to fully
    savor your gibe, please explain what is meant by "stuffing suits"? I'm
    not familiar with that term - might be those amoebas... or the concrete...

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  • From Notsure01@21:1/5 to Todd M. McComb on Sun Mar 5 17:55:32 2023
    On 3/5/23 5:02 PM, Todd M. McComb wrote:
    In article <1b496c7a-9ce6-6d31-e53b-c5040a49da91@aol.com>,
    Notsure01 <docduc1013@aol.com> wrote:
    I have no particular interest in the topic and have never raised
    the issue.

    Now you're being disingenuous. If you have no interest in the topic,
    then shut up about it.

    As to the bullet points you object to, it would help if you could be
    more specific

    No it would not. Just assume at this point that I disagree with
    everything you have to say. That's more than sufficient for me.

    I added some comments about antisemitism to a thread four months ago?
    And the topic I raise now is not antisemitism itself but the constant reappearance of that issue in unrelated treads - is it my feeble
    attempts to try to help RMCR that you disagree with?

    But I'll conclude this dialog with a comment you might not disagree with:

    Your web site www.medieval.org is absolutely great! I really appreciate
    all the effort you must have put into it - thank you.

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 5 15:01:01 2023
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 10:44:03 PM UTC+1, Notsure01 wrote:

    My suggestion is rather than having
    the topic spring up incessantly in unrelated threads that there be a
    central location for those that are interested.

    Clearly you have not been paying attention.
    The whole idea of types like DK, Marc S and FB is to talk about their stuff on every siingle spot they want, in as many different threaqds as they can.
    Because it's about them them them and nothing than them.
    And evah heard about freedom of speech?

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Herman on Sun Mar 5 18:19:58 2023
    On 3/5/2023 6:01 PM, Herman wrote:
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 10:44:03 PM UTC+1, Notsure01 wrote:

    My suggestion is rather than having
    the topic spring up incessantly in unrelated threads that there be a
    central location for those that are interested.

    Clearly you have not been paying attention.
    The whole idea of types like DK, Marc S and FB is to talk about their stuff on every siingle spot they want, in as many different threaqds as they can.
    Because it's about them them them and nothing than them.
    And evah heard about freedom of speech?

    Does it matter to you that I have never introduced an off-topic post here at all, and have never been the one to introduce the subject of Jews, Israel or antisemitsm. I respond as I see fit to other people talking about these things, AS YOU DO!

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 5 16:21:30 2023
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 2:55:38 PM UTC-8, Notsure01 wrote:

    I added some comments about antisemitism to a
    thread four months ago? And the topic I raise now is
    not antisemitism itself but the constant reappearance
    of that issue in unrelated treads - is it my feeble attempts
    to try to help RMCR that you disagree with?

    Find yourself another pigsty to clean
    up. No one here needs the "help" of
    an anonymous stuffed troll.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 5 16:19:07 2023
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 3:12:26 PM UTC-8, Notsure01 wrote:

    I am now convinced your distinguished
    careeer was 100% stuffing suits every
    morning.

    Let's try to actually accomplish something
    today. To help us to fully savor your gibe,
    please explain what is meant by "stuffing
    suits"?

    It means you are/were a stuffed suit. I find it
    rather fascinating that you could not figure it
    out after such a long and distinguished career.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 5 16:27:54 2023
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 1:58:13 PM UTC-8, Notsure01 wrote:

    I'm not sure what is meant by "attempts to curate".
    Since the topic keeps coming up. I was just suggesting
    that there be a central place for the discussion.

    If you are looking for a "central place", there must
    surely be some public restrooms within reasonable
    distance from where you live.

    Anyone who thinks in terms of "central places" does
    not understand the most fundamental facts about
    unmoderated internet discussion groups. They are
    not "places", they are simply big vaccum holes into
    which anyone can scream and vomit to their hearts'
    delight. No more, no less, and nothing else.

    Your language and phrasing, and the "concepts" and
    "ideas" you promote prove beyond the shadow of a
    doubt your are either a former government official,
    or a former teacher. Probably a fashion model too.

    dk

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 5 20:28:31 2023
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  • From Notsure01@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Sun Mar 5 20:50:25 2023
    On 3/5/23 8:28 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/5/2023 6:12 PM, Notsure01 wrote:
    On 3/5/23 4:52 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 1:44:03 PM UTC-8, Notsure01 wrote:
    On 3/5/23 4:03 PM, Herman wrote:
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 9:29:26 PM UTC+1, Notsure01 wrote:

    I'm going to revive a previous one which could be
    used for us to discuss Antisemitism

    Please don't.

    I don't think anything much is accomplished by that
    discussion, but there seems to be no avoiding it. My
    suggestion is rather than having the topic spring up
    incessantly in unrelated threads that there be a
    central location for those that are interested.

    Complete with a central authority, central police,
    central censorship, central courts, and central
    self-restraint? Have amoebas eaten all your
    brain?

    I hope you realize what you describe is
    Reddit, more or less. Go camp there.

    I am now convinced your distinguished
    careeer was 100% stuffing suits every
    morning.

    dk

    Let's try to actually accomplish something today. To help us to fully
    savor your gibe, please explain what is meant by "stuffing suits"? I'm
    not familiar with that term - might be those amoebas... or the
    concrete...



    A "stuffed suit" is basically a white collar worker who is not
    productive. He puts on his suit every day, goes to work, and at best, accomplishes nothing.  There are such people.  Most of them were not stuffed suits from the get go, it took them a while to get that way.
    Abusive bosses, burn out, declining energy with age, boredom, lack of advancement, whatever.  Having worked in a quasi-governmental
    bureaucracy for 28 years, I knew many such people.  Usually upper level managers. The company usually weeded them out eventually.  These were
    people who lived to (as they saw it) glorify the organization.  These
    are often people who don't know that integrity is more important than loyalty. I succeeded in my career there despite having little chauvinism
    to the organization.  I had enough self pride to want to do a good job
    and enjoyed the work  That was all.  I played football in high school
    and was possibly the only team member who really didn't care if we won
    or lost.  I just loved to play.  Of course, I was the only Jew on the
    team and many of the other guys "lovingly" called me the "Hebe."  Maybe
    that contributed to my indifference to winning.

    I'd heard the expression "the suits" for folks like that, as well as the expression "stuffed shirts" - and when you google "stuffed suits
    meaning" it says "Did you mean stuffed shirts?".

    I'm glad we got that clarified!

    Thanks, Frank.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Sun Mar 5 17:34:38 2023
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 5:28:44 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/5/2023 6:12 PM, Notsure01 wrote:
    On 3/5/23 4:52 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 1:44:03 PM UTC-8, Notsure01 wrote:
    On 3/5/23 4:03 PM, Herman wrote:
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 9:29:26 PM UTC+1, Notsure01 wrote:

    I'm going to revive a previous one which could be
    used for us to discuss Antisemitism

    Please don't.

    I don't think anything much is accomplished by that
    discussion, but there seems to be no avoiding it. My
    suggestion is rather than having the topic spring up
    incessantly in unrelated threads that there be a
    central location for those that are interested.

    Complete with a central authority, central police,
    central censorship, central courts, and central
    self-restraint? Have amoebas eaten all your
    brain?

    I hope you realize what you describe is
    Reddit, more or less. Go camp there.

    I am now convinced your distinguished
    careeer was 100% stuffing suits every
    morning.


    Let's try to actually accomplish something today.
    To help us to fully savor your gibe, please explain
    what is meant by "stuffing suits"? I'm not familiar
    with that term - might be those amoebas... or the
    concrete...


    A "stuffed suit" is basically a white collar worker who
    is not productive. He puts on his suit every day, goes
    to work, and at best, accomplishes nothing. There are
    such people.

    Thanks for the explanation. Stuffed suits have additional
    attributes, such being pedantic, vain, and self-important.


    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Sun Mar 5 17:44:38 2023
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 5:34:40 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 5:28:44 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/5/2023 6:12 PM, Notsure01 wrote:
    On 3/5/23 4:52 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 1:44:03 PM UTC-8, Notsure01 wrote:
    On 3/5/23 4:03 PM, Herman wrote:
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 9:29:26 PM UTC+1, Notsure01 wrote:

    I'm going to revive a previous one which could be
    used for us to discuss Antisemitism

    Please don't.

    I don't think anything much is accomplished by that
    discussion, but there seems to be no avoiding it. My
    suggestion is rather than having the topic spring up
    incessantly in unrelated threads that there be a
    central location for those that are interested.

    Complete with a central authority, central police,
    central censorship, central courts, and central
    self-restraint? Have amoebas eaten all your
    brain?

    I hope you realize what you describe is
    Reddit, more or less. Go camp there.

    I am now convinced your distinguished
    careeer was 100% stuffing suits every
    morning.


    Let's try to actually accomplish something today.
    To help us to fully savor your gibe, please explain
    what is meant by "stuffing suits"? I'm not familiar
    with that term - might be those amoebas... or the
    concrete...


    A "stuffed suit" is basically a white collar worker who
    is not productive. He puts on his suit every day, goes
    to work, and at best, accomplishes nothing. There are
    such people.

    Thanks for the explanation. Stuffed suits have additional
    attributes, such being pedantic, vain, and self-important.


    BTW notion of a "stuffed suit" is a natural extension and
    amplification of the phrase "buttoned up". NotSoSure01
    is surely very buttoned up. He probably wears 3 suits
    one on top another.

    dk

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 5 17:52:36 2023
    On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 09:55:38 UTC+11, Notsure01 wrote:
    On 3/5/23 5:02 PM, Todd M. McComb wrote:
    In article <1b496c7a-9ce6-6d31...aol.com>,
    Notsure01 <docdu...aol.com> wrote:
    I have no particular interest in the topic and have never raised
    the issue.

    Now you're being disingenuous. If you have no interest in the topic,
    then shut up about it.

    As to the bullet points you object to, it would help if you could be
    more specific

    No it would not. Just assume at this point that I disagree with
    everything you have to say. That's more than sufficient for me.

    I added some comments about antisemitism to a thread four months ago?
    And the topic I raise now is not antisemitism itself but the constant reappearance of that issue in unrelated treads - is it my feeble
    attempts to try to help RMCR that you disagree with?

    Coming across as a sticky beak, and apparent paragon of virtue, is not a good thing in general, especially when poking into longstanding arguments that are best left alone to the participants. This is my advice.

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From Notsure01@21:1/5 to raymond....@gmail.com on Sun Mar 5 21:08:29 2023
    On 3/5/23 8:52 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 09:55:38 UTC+11, Notsure01 wrote:
    On 3/5/23 5:02 PM, Todd M. McComb wrote:
    In article <1b496c7a-9ce6-6d31...aol.com>,
    Notsure01 <docdu...aol.com> wrote:
    I have no particular interest in the topic and have never raised
    the issue.

    Now you're being disingenuous. If you have no interest in the topic,
    then shut up about it.

    As to the bullet points you object to, it would help if you could be
    more specific

    No it would not. Just assume at this point that I disagree with
    everything you have to say. That's more than sufficient for me.

    I added some comments about antisemitism to a thread four months ago?
    And the topic I raise now is not antisemitism itself but the constant
    reappearance of that issue in unrelated treads - is it my feeble
    attempts to try to help RMCR that you disagree with?

    Coming across as a sticky beak, and apparent paragon of virtue, is not a good thing in general, especially when poking into longstanding arguments that are best left alone to the participants. This is my advice.

    Ray Hall, Taree


    Sticky beak: the definition of a sticky beak is someone who needs to
    know what someone else is doing instead of minding their own business.

    OK, I think I get it now. I'll try to be better.

    Thanks, Ray!!

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 5 18:24:57 2023
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 5:50:29 PM UTC-8, Notsure01 wrote:

    I'd heard the expression "the suits" for folks like that,
    as well as the expression "stuffed shirts" - and when
    you google "stuffed suits meaning" it says "Did you
    mean stuffed shirts?".


    "The suits" has a somewhat different meaning than
    "a stuffed suit". "The suits" usually refers to C or E
    level execs, or lawyers, or bean counters. "Stuffed
    suits" can be at any level. The phrase describes
    attitude and/or (in)capabilities rather than level
    in an organization.

    I still find it surprising anyone who retired after a
    "disstinguished career" has not encountered this
    phrase during their "disstinguished career" on
    the (presumably East) Coast. Or maybe he/she
    did not notice it because on that (presumably
    East) Coast, where they all are stuffed suits.

    dk

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Sun Mar 5 21:48:04 2023
    On 3/5/2023 8:34 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 5:28:44 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/5/2023 6:12 PM, Notsure01 wrote:
    On 3/5/23 4:52 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 1:44:03 PM UTC-8, Notsure01 wrote:
    On 3/5/23 4:03 PM, Herman wrote:
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 9:29:26 PM UTC+1, Notsure01 wrote:

    I'm going to revive a previous one which could be
    used for us to discuss Antisemitism

    Please don't.

    I don't think anything much is accomplished by that
    discussion, but there seems to be no avoiding it. My
    suggestion is rather than having the topic spring up
    incessantly in unrelated threads that there be a
    central location for those that are interested.

    Complete with a central authority, central police,
    central censorship, central courts, and central
    self-restraint? Have amoebas eaten all your
    brain?

    I hope you realize what you describe is
    Reddit, more or less. Go camp there.

    I am now convinced your distinguished
    careeer was 100% stuffing suits every
    morning.
    >>

    Let's try to actually accomplish something today.
    To help us to fully savor your gibe, please explain
    what is meant by "stuffing suits"? I'm not familiar
    with that term - might be those amoebas... or the
    concrete...


    A "stuffed suit" is basically a white collar worker who
    is not productive. He puts on his suit every day, goes
    to work, and at best, accomplishes nothing. There are
    such people.

    Thanks for the explanation. Stuffed suits have additional
    attributes, such being pedantic, vain, and self-important.


    dk

    Yes.

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Sun Mar 5 21:50:51 2023
    On 3/5/2023 9:24 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 5:50:29 PM UTC-8, Notsure01 wrote:

    I'd heard the expression "the suits" for folks like that,
    as well as the expression "stuffed shirts" - and when
    you google "stuffed suits meaning" it says "Did you
    mean stuffed shirts?".


    "The suits" has a somewhat different meaning than
    "a stuffed suit". "The suits" usually refers to C or E
    level execs, or lawyers, or bean counters. "Stuffed
    suits" can be at any level. The phrase describes
    attitude and/or (in)capabilities rather than level
    in an organization.

    I still find it surprising anyone who retired after a
    "disstinguished career" has not encountered this
    phrase during their "disstinguished career" on
    the (presumably East) Coast. Or maybe he/she
    did not notice it because on that (presumably
    East) Coast, where they all are stuffed suits.

    dk

    Interesting question: Can a stuffed suit recognize another stuffed suit? Relatedly, does a stuffed suit know he is a stuffed suit?

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Sun Mar 5 18:57:40 2023
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 6:51:01 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/5/2023 9:24 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 5:50:29 PM UTC-8, Notsure01 wrote:

    I'd heard the expression "the suits" for folks like that,
    as well as the expression "stuffed shirts" - and when
    you google "stuffed suits meaning" it says "Did you
    mean stuffed shirts?".


    "The suits" has a somewhat different meaning than
    "a stuffed suit". "The suits" usually refers to C or E
    level execs, or lawyers, or bean counters. "Stuffed
    suits" can be at any level. The phrase describes
    attitude and/or (in)capabilities rather than level
    in an organization.

    I still find it surprising anyone who retired after a
    "disstinguished career" has not encountered this
    phrase during their "disstinguished career" on
    the (presumably East) Coast. Or maybe he/she
    did not notice it because on that (presumably
    East) Coast, where they all are stuffed suits.

    Interesting question: Can a stuffed suit recognize
    another stuffed suit?

    They usually don't. Being a stuffed suit is normalcy
    for stuffed suits. Just like the clergy, the are also
    stuffed.

    Relatedly, does a stuffed suit know he is a stuffed
    suit?

    Nope. They don't understand the concept. They see
    themselves as "normal". Just like NotSure01, who
    clearly sees himself as a paragon of normalcy and
    decency.

    dk

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  • From mswdesign@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Herman on Mon Mar 6 06:28:29 2023
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 5:01:04 PM UTC-6, Herman wrote:
    The whole idea of types like DK, Marc S and FB is to talk about their stuff on every siingle spot they want, in as many different threaqds as they can.

    Is this your defense for behaving the same way? Congrats, you've become the Dick Cheney of RMCR.

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to mswd...@gmail.com on Mon Mar 6 06:58:25 2023
    On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 14:28:32 UTC, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 5:01:04 PM UTC-6, Herman wrote:
    The whole idea of types like DK, Marc S and FB is to talk about their stuff on every siingle spot they want, in as many different threaqds as they can.
    Is this your defense for behaving the same way? Congrats, you've become the Dick Cheney of RMCR.

    I think myself, Melmoth, Herman and a few others are past caring by now. Rubbish in, rubbish out.

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  • From mswdesign@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 6 07:05:32 2023
    Let's change the subject and discuss sports.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/06/sports/power-slap-league-dana-white.html?smid=url-share

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to mswd...@gmail.com on Mon Mar 6 07:12:53 2023
    On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 15:05:36 UTC, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
    Let's change the subject and discuss sports.

    I don't mind discussing how many vowels there are on page 234 of the telephone directory. It would be a refreshing change.

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to mswd...@gmail.com on Mon Mar 6 16:54:00 2023
    On 3/6/2023 10:05 AM, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
    Let's change the subject and discuss sports.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/06/sports/power-slap-league-dana-white.html?smid=url-share

    My graduate school Alma Mater, UCLA, won the PAC-12 regular season championship. On to the PAC-12 and NCAA tournaments.

    My son-in-law is high school basketball coach and his team won their conference championship tournament for the first time in 23 years.

    Enough?

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to mswd...@gmail.com on Mon Mar 6 21:02:27 2023
    On 3/6/2023 8:19 PM, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-6, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/6/2023 10:05 AM, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
    Let's change the subject and discuss sports.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/06/sports/power-slap-league-dana-white.html?smid=url-share
    My graduate school Alma Mater, UCLA, won the PAC-12 regular season championship. On to the PAC-12 and NCAA tournaments.

    My son-in-law is high school basketball coach and his team won their conference championship tournament for the first time in 23 years.

    Enough?

    Congrats to your son-in-law! I was half-serious, mostly pointing to the idea that some people think slapping can be a sport (a bad idea, I'd say).


    I have three sons-in-law: basketball coach, mathematician and rabbi. All good husbands and fathers.

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  • From mswdesign@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Mon Mar 6 17:19:23 2023
    On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-6, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 3/6/2023 10:05 AM, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
    Let's change the subject and discuss sports.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/06/sports/power-slap-league-dana-white.html?smid=url-share
    My graduate school Alma Mater, UCLA, won the PAC-12 regular season championship. On to the PAC-12 and NCAA tournaments.

    My son-in-law is high school basketball coach and his team won their conference championship tournament for the first time in 23 years.

    Enough?

    Congrats to your son-in-law! I was half-serious, mostly pointing to the idea that some people think slapping can be a sport (a bad idea, I'd say).

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