• Re: Joyce Hatto documentary - no scam, just a pecadillo

    From Lawrence Kart@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 26 14:41:15 2023
    On Thursday, August 6, 2009 at 6:49:17 AM UTC-5, O wrote:
    In article <MPG.24e46016f...@us.Usenet-News.net>, wr
    <nob...@nowhere.net> wrote:
    In article <FIadndE19qqt9uXX...@giganews.com>,
    st...@stevedemena.com says...
    M forever wrote:
    On Aug 4, 11:21 am, Mark Stratford <mark_stratfor...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    They should have got Alfred Brendel to speak ;-)
    An interview with him when the news was breaking went:

    <.. Brendel said he would be "amused" if any of his own recordings -- >> and there are a lot, five decades' worth -- were found to have been
    pirated. He just doubted the husband would have been that foolish.

    "It is rather unlikely," said the 76-year-old pianist. "Because I
    think they concentrated on people who are not well known ...>

    mark

    They also used Ashkenazy, didn't they?

    Yes, Ashkenazy, Haitink and Vienna Philharmonic, for one of the Brahms Piano Concerti.

    But how many here know that recording? Not "know of that recording",
    but actually have heard it and had it register in any distinct way in their memory so that they would easily recognize it if they heard it?

    To be frank, I have bought both. The Ashkenazy was one of the first recordings on compact disc. But it's rather a tepid one in a market
    which contains some very good performances. I've only listened to it
    perhaps 3 times over the last 30 years, if that. I would not
    immediately recognize it today.
    When I heard the (!) Hatto, my reaction was the same, that it was not a remarkable performance in comparison with the rest of the catalog, but
    I did not recognize it as Ashkenazy.
    Perhaps if I were fonder of the Ashkenazy and more familiar with it, I
    would have discovered the likeness, but it was because it wasn't a
    recording I would gravitate back to made it work to better hide the
    true source.
    -Owen

    More likely the sourpuss gardening columnist in "Run for Your Money." But who among the living could play B-C in the movie? John Cleese? David Hyde Pierce?


    Among the no longer living, Terry Thomas might have been ideal. Disreputable rogues were his speciality.

    As for WBC's line, I think he might be thought of as akin to a kleptomaniac. Was just reading Earl Wild's memoir "A WALK ON THE WILD SIDE," and he mentions a prominent music critic, I think it was, who was a klepto and had a card from his psychiatrist
    saying so. This the guy would use to get out of scrapes when he was caught.

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 26 15:06:11 2023
    As for WBC's line, I think he might be thought of as akin to a kleptomaniac. Was just reading Earl Wild's memoir "A WALK ON THE WILD SIDE," and he mentions a prominent music critic, I think it was, who was a klepto and had a card from his psychiatrist
    saying so. This the guy would use to get out of scrapes when he was caught.

    I'd prefer a serious film, not a slapstick. Hopkins and Thompson (sp?) could be a good couple. WBC seems to me more like a plagiarist than a klepto. The plot could be something between the two: did she know, didn't she, did she know without him knowing -
    and if so did she consent or didn't she. In the latter case, did she protest and if not, why not? It could become quite a drama ...

    I hate fiction.

    Henk

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  • From Owen Hartnett@21:1/5 to Lawrence Kart on Fri Jan 27 09:53:52 2023
    On 2023-01-26 22:41:15 +0000, Lawrence Kart said:

    On Thursday, August 6, 2009 at 6:49:17 AM UTC-5, O wrote:
    In article <MPG.24e46016f...@us.Usenet-News.net>, wr
    <nob...@nowhere.net> wrote:
    In article <FIadndE19qqt9uXX...@giganews.com>,
    st...@stevedemena.com says...
    M forever wrote:
    On Aug 4, 11:21 am, Mark Stratford <mark_stratfor...@yahoo.co.uk>
    wrote:
    They should have got Alfred Brendel to speak ;-)
    An interview with him when the news was breaking went:

    <.. Brendel said he would be "amused" if any of his own recordings -- >>>>>> and there are a lot, five decades' worth -- were found to have been >>>>>> pirated. He just doubted the husband would have been that foolish. >>>>>>
    "It is rather unlikely," said the 76-year-old pianist. "Because I
    think they concentrated on people who are not well known ...>

    mark

    They also used Ashkenazy, didn't they?

    Yes, Ashkenazy, Haitink and Vienna Philharmonic, for one of the Brahms> >>>> > > Piano Concerti.

    But how many here know that recording? Not "know of that recording",> >
    but actually have heard it and had it register in any distinct way in>
    their memory so that they would easily recognize it if they heard it?

    To be frank, I have bought both. The Ashkenazy was one of the first
    recordings on compact disc. But it's rather a tepid one in a market
    which contains some very good performances. I've only listened to it
    perhaps 3 times over the last 30 years, if that. I would not
    immediately recognize it today.
    When I heard the (!) Hatto, my reaction was the same, that it was not a
    remarkable performance in comparison with the rest of the catalog, but
    I did not recognize it as Ashkenazy.
    Perhaps if I were fonder of the Ashkenazy and more familiar with it, I
    would have discovered the likeness, but it was because it wasn't a
    recording I would gravitate back to made it work to better hide the
    true source.
    -Owen

    More likely the sourpuss gardening columnist in "Run for Your Money."
    But whoamong the living could play B-C in the movie? John Cleese? David
    Hyde Pierce?

    Among the no longer living, Terry Thomas might have been ideal.
    Disreputable rogues were his speciality.

    As for WBC's line, I think he might be thought of as akin to a
    kleptomaniac. Was just reading Earl Wild's memoir "A WALK ON THE WILD
    SIDE," and he mentions a prominent music critic, I think it was, who
    was a klepto and had a card from his psychiatrist saying so. This the
    guy would use to get out of scrapes when he was caught.

    I would suggest Brendon Gleeson to portray Barrington-Coupe.

    -Owen

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  • From Norman Schwartz@21:1/5 to Owen Hartnett on Fri Jan 27 08:15:12 2023
    On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 9:54:02 AM UTC-5, Owen Hartnett wrote:
    On 2023-01-26 22:41:15 +0000, Lawrence Kart said:

    On Thursday, August 6, 2009 at 6:49:17 AM UTC-5, O wrote:
    In article <MPG.24e46016f...@us.Usenet-News.net>, wr
    <nob...@nowhere.net> wrote:
    In article <FIadndE19qqt9uXX...@giganews.com>,
    st...@stevedemena.com says...
    M forever wrote:
    On Aug 4, 11:21 am, Mark Stratford <mark_stratfor...@yahoo.co.uk>
    wrote:
    They should have got Alfred Brendel to speak ;-)
    An interview with him when the news was breaking went:

    <.. Brendel said he would be "amused" if any of his own recordings -- >>>>>> and there are a lot, five decades' worth -- were found to have been >>>>>> pirated. He just doubted the husband would have been that foolish. >>>>>>
    "It is rather unlikely," said the 76-year-old pianist. "Because I >>>>>> think they concentrated on people who are not well known ...>

    mark

    They also used Ashkenazy, didn't they?

    Yes, Ashkenazy, Haitink and Vienna Philharmonic, for one of the Brahms> >>>> > > Piano Concerti.

    But how many here know that recording? Not "know of that recording",> > >>> but actually have heard it and had it register in any distinct way in> >>> > their memory so that they would easily recognize it if they heard it? >>>
    To be frank, I have bought both. The Ashkenazy was one of the first
    recordings on compact disc. But it's rather a tepid one in a market
    which contains some very good performances. I've only listened to it
    perhaps 3 times over the last 30 years, if that. I would not
    immediately recognize it today.
    When I heard the (!) Hatto, my reaction was the same, that it was not a
    remarkable performance in comparison with the rest of the catalog, but
    I did not recognize it as Ashkenazy.
    Perhaps if I were fonder of the Ashkenazy and more familiar with it, I
    would have discovered the likeness, but it was because it wasn't a
    recording I would gravitate back to made it work to better hide the
    true source.
    -Owen

    More likely the sourpuss gardening columnist in "Run for Your Money."
    But whoamong the living could play B-C in the movie? John Cleese? David Hyde Pierce?

    Among the no longer living, Terry Thomas might have been ideal. Disreputable rogues were his speciality.

    As for WBC's line, I think he might be thought of as akin to a kleptomaniac. Was just reading Earl Wild's memoir "A WALK ON THE WILD SIDE," and he mentions a prominent music critic, I think it was, who
    was a klepto and had a card from his psychiatrist saying so. This the
    guy would use to get out of scrapes when he was caught.
    I would suggest Brendon Gleeson to portray Barrington-Coupe.

    -Owen

    I suggest Anthony Hopkins.

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Norman Schwartz on Fri Jan 27 11:59:10 2023
    On 1/27/2023 11:15 AM, Norman Schwartz wrote:
    On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 9:54:02 AM UTC-5, Owen Hartnett wrote:
    On 2023-01-26 22:41:15 +0000, Lawrence Kart said:

    On Thursday, August 6, 2009 at 6:49:17 AM UTC-5, O wrote:
    In article <MPG.24e46016f...@us.Usenet-News.net>, wr
    <nob...@nowhere.net> wrote:
    In article <FIadndE19qqt9uXX...@giganews.com>,
    st...@stevedemena.com says...
    M forever wrote:
    On Aug 4, 11:21 am, Mark Stratford <mark_stratfor...@yahoo.co.uk> >>>>>>> wrote:
    They should have got Alfred Brendel to speak ;-)
    An interview with him when the news was breaking went:

    <.. Brendel said he would be "amused" if any of his own recordings -- >>>>>>>> and there are a lot, five decades' worth -- were found to have been >>>>>>>> pirated. He just doubted the husband would have been that foolish. >>>>>>>>
    "It is rather unlikely," said the 76-year-old pianist. "Because I >>>>>>>> think they concentrated on people who are not well known ...>

    mark

    They also used Ashkenazy, didn't they?

    Yes, Ashkenazy, Haitink and Vienna Philharmonic, for one of the Brahms> >>>>>>>> Piano Concerti.

    But how many here know that recording? Not "know of that recording",> > >>>>> but actually have heard it and had it register in any distinct way in> >>>>>> their memory so that they would easily recognize it if they heard it? >>>>>
    To be frank, I have bought both. The Ashkenazy was one of the first
    recordings on compact disc. But it's rather a tepid one in a market
    which contains some very good performances. I've only listened to it
    perhaps 3 times over the last 30 years, if that. I would not
    immediately recognize it today.
    When I heard the (!) Hatto, my reaction was the same, that it was not a >>>> remarkable performance in comparison with the rest of the catalog, but >>>> I did not recognize it as Ashkenazy.
    Perhaps if I were fonder of the Ashkenazy and more familiar with it, I >>>> would have discovered the likeness, but it was because it wasn't a
    recording I would gravitate back to made it work to better hide the
    true source.
    -Owen

    More likely the sourpuss gardening columnist in "Run for Your Money."
    But whoamong the living could play B-C in the movie? John Cleese? David
    Hyde Pierce?

    Among the no longer living, Terry Thomas might have been ideal.
    Disreputable rogues were his speciality.

    As for WBC's line, I think he might be thought of as akin to a
    kleptomaniac. Was just reading Earl Wild's memoir "A WALK ON THE WILD
    SIDE," and he mentions a prominent music critic, I think it was, who
    was a klepto and had a card from his psychiatrist saying so. This the
    guy would use to get out of scrapes when he was caught.
    I would suggest Brendon Gleeson to portray Barrington-Coupe.

    -Owen

    I suggest Anthony Hopkins.

    Has he done comedy?

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 27 13:05:31 2023
    On 1/27/2023 12:42 PM, HT wrote:

    I've never written anything to speak of, but I wonder how a historical fiction piece would be. Perhaps alternating chapters written from BC's point of view and Hatto's. But done in such a way as you still can't tell at the end whether Joyce was
    complicit.

    Let's give a try. Joyce is ill, tired and depressive. BC bears a grudge. He believed he married someone who would make an international, but Joyce was too insecure and lazy. On her sickbed, he confronts her with how good she could have been and how
    well her CDs would have sold.

    Now it's your turn.

    Henk

    This is a challenge. I'm not very artistically creative. I think we have to portray PC as acting for Joyce's sake (creating a performing legacy) but based on his past we need to see he's in it for the money also. I think Joyce has to be drugged
    against her pain. Half out of it all the time. I see a scene when she's listening to one of "her" recordings and she asks BC, didn't I grunt in pain at that moment? And he replies that he just edited it out. She gives him a look (a smirk?) that
    leaves us wondering if she knew what he was doing. That's all I've got.

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 27 09:18:55 2023
    I suggest Anthony Hopkins.

    Has he done comedy?

    Not as far as I know. But the Hatto affair wasn't really a comedy, unless you would make a film from the perspective of the true believers. But in the shadow of the Madoff affair, a few CDs and some copyrights are hardly noticeable.

    Henk

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 27 12:31:07 2023
    On 1/27/2023 12:18 PM, HT wrote:

    I suggest Anthony Hopkins.

    Has he done comedy?

    Not as far as I know. But the Hatto affair wasn't really a comedy, unless you would make a film from the perspective of the true believers. But in the shadow of the Madoff affair, a few CDs and some copyrights are hardly noticeable.

    Henk



    I've never written anything to speak of, but I wonder how a historical fiction piece would be. Perhaps alternating chapters written from BC's point of view and Hatto's. But done in such a way as you still can't tell at the end whether Joyce was
    complicit.

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 27 09:42:49 2023
    I've never written anything to speak of, but I wonder how a historical fiction piece would be. Perhaps alternating chapters written from BC's point of view and Hatto's. But done in such a way as you still can't tell at the end whether Joyce was
    complicit.

    Let's give a try. Joyce is ill, tired and depressive. BC bears a grudge. He believed he married someone who would make an international, but Joyce was too insecure and lazy. On her sickbed, he confronts her with how good she could have been and how well
    her CDs would have sold.

    Now it's your turn.

    Henk

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 27 10:13:02 2023
    This is a challenge. I'm not very artistically creative. I think we have to portray PC as acting for Joyce's sake (creating a performing legacy) but based on his past we need to see he's in it for the money also. I think Joyce has to be drugged against
    her pain. Half out of it all the time. I see a scene when she's listening to one of "her" recordings and she asks BC, didn't I grunt in pain at that moment? And he replies that he just edited it out. She gives him a look (a smirk?) that leaves us
    wondering if she knew what he was doing. That's all I've got.

    It'd make a great film. Emma Thompson would deliver the smirk of her life and receive an Oscar for it.

    Henk

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  • From Pluted Pup@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Fri Jan 27 11:33:57 2023
    On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 09:31:07 -0800, Frank Berger wrote:

    On 1/27/2023 12:18 PM, HT wrote:

    I suggest Anthony Hopkins.

    Has he done comedy?

    Not as far as I know. But the Hatto affair wasn't really a comedy, unless you would make a film from the perspective of the true believers. But in the shadow of the Madoff affair, a few CDs and some copyrights are hardly noticeable.

    Henk

    I've never written anything to speak of, but I wonder how a historical fiction piece would be. Perhaps alternating chapters written from BC's point of view and Hatto's. But done in such a way as you still can't tell at the end whether Joyce was
    complicit.

    How about a horror movie? BC forcing her to play catalogs
    of music while in pain. Reminds me of "Saw".

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