Since the invasion of Ukraine we have seen a shift in power blocs.
Russia and China are getting closer, and bringing with them a number of African countries, the latest being S.Africa with joint military
operations with Russia and China. India is yet to show its hand more
clearly.
Some of this is because of energy dependency, especially in the case of Russia. Some is because of economic dependency in the case of China. Meanwhile the US and Europe remain aligned together with the Saudi oil states.
What are your thoughts on this going forwards?
Some of this is because of energy dependency, especially in the case of Russia. Some is because of economic dependency in the case of China. Meanwhile the US and Europe remain aligned together with the Saudi oil states.
I think Putin botched any serious association with China with the
Ukraine war. When Putin met Xi, you could see the look of "Am I
dealing with a lunatic?" on Xi's face. I think the meeting went
something like this:
Xi: What are you, crazy?
Putin: They challenged me, and a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.
Are you with me?
Xi: Only to the extent that it doesn't involve us.
-Owen
well, good you got some more teenage tits in.
gotta get your kicks...
Herman schrieb am Montag, 23. Januar 2023 um 17:25:21 UTC+1:
well, good you got some more teenage tits in.
gotta get your kicks...
And instead of agreeing with me on this very obvious fact that children should not get their tits cut off
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 5:50:26 PM UTC+1, Marc S wrote:
Herman schrieb am Montag, 23. Januar 2023 um 17:25:21 UTC+1:
well, good you got some more teenage tits in.
gotta get your kicks...
And instead of agreeing with me on this very obvious fact that children should not get their tits cut offAll I do is note that you're always trying to get something like the phrase "teenage tits" in. It's an obsession.
Indeed as it happens I am dad to a teenage girl, happily, and that's why I note this, because you are a one person red flag parade.
It's also obvious that again this is just a theoretical issue for you, just as you keep going on and on about Jewish issues and keep telling Jewish participants they're either bad Jews or anitsemitic Jews.
You're just a sicko.
End of dialogue for me.
Op maandag 23 januari 2023 om 16:10:57 UTC+1 schreef Owen Hartnett:
Some of this is because of energy dependency, especially in the case of
Russia. Some is because of economic dependency in the case of China.
Meanwhile the US and Europe remain aligned together with the Saudi oil
states.
Perhaps Frank can help us. Some believe it has to do with the relation between the US dollar and commodities. Even the Saudi's want to put an end to the monopoly of the dollar. South-America just announced it is thinking about an equivalent of the EURO.
Henk
well, good you got some more teenage tits in.
gotta get your kicks...
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 5:50:26 PM UTC+1, Marc S wrote:
Herman schrieb am Montag, 23. Januar 2023 um 17:25:21 UTC+1:
well, good you got some more teenage tits in.
gotta get your kicks...
And instead of agreeing with me on this very obvious fact that children should not get their tits cut offAll I do is note that you're always trying to get something like the phrase "teenage tits" in. It's an obsession.
Indeed as it happens I am dad to a teenage girl, happily, and that's why I note this, because you are a one person red flag parade.
It's also obvious that again this is just a theoretical issue for you, just as you keep going on and on about Jewish issues and keep telling Jewish participants they're either bad Jews or anitsemitic Jews.
You're just a sicko.
End of dialogue for me.
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 5:50:26 PM UTC+1, Marc S wrote:
Herman schrieb am Montag, 23. Januar 2023 um 17:25:21 UTC+1:
well, good you got some more teenage tits in.
gotta get your kicks...
And instead of agreeing with me on this very obvious fact that children should not get their tits cut off
All I do is note that you're always trying to get something like the phrase "teenage tits" in. It's an obsession.
Indeed as it happens I am dad to a teenage girl, happily, and that's why I note this, because you are a one person red flag parade.
It's also obvious that again this is just a theoretical issue for you, just as you keep going on and on about Jewish issues and keep telling Jewish participants they're either bad Jews or anitsemitic Jews.
You're just a sicko.
End of dialogue for me.
On 1/23/2023 12:12 PM, Herman wrote:heart for Jews. He would be happy for his child to marry one. But, he thinks the Jews have little or no claim to the Holy Land. But Judaism includes such a claim (right or wrong, valid or not), so to say you can be as Jewish as you want on my terms but
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 5:50:26 PM UTC+1, Marc S wrote:
Herman schrieb am Montag, 23. Januar 2023 um 17:25:21 UTC+1:
well, good you got some more teenage tits in.
gotta get your kicks...
And instead of agreeing with me on this very obvious fact that children should not get their tits cut off
All I do is note that you're always trying to get something like the phrase "teenage tits" in. It's an obsession.
Indeed as it happens I am dad to a teenage girl, happily, and that's why I note this, because you are a one person red flag parade.
It's also obvious that again this is just a theoretical issue for you, just as you keep going on and on about Jewish issues and keep telling Jewish participants they're either bad Jews or anitsemitic Jews.
You're just a sicko.Herman, you have to think about what the term antisemitism means. It can mean different things to different people. So in calling someone an antisemite, the accuser may not mean what the accused thinks he means. Example: A person has not hatred in his
End of dialogue for me.
There are degrees of bias, prejudice, even hatred. Everything is not so simple.
Can we keep this on topic please? This is a serious question. The world order is moving.
Herman, you have to think about what the term antisemitism means. It can mean different things to different people. So in calling someone an antisemite, the accuser may not mean what the accused thinks he means. Example: A person has not hatred in hisheart for Jews. He would be happy for his child to marry one. But, he thinks the Jews have little or no claim to the Holy Land. But Judaism includes such a claim (right or wrong, valid or not), so to say you can be as Jewish as you want on my terms but
There are degrees of bias, prejudice, even hatred. Everything is not so simple.
That is a general phenomenon in this group: no one convinces anyone of whatever, specially not of everything that is not classical music related. Endless "discussions" without any meaning.
That is a general phenomenon in this group: no one convinces anyone
of whatever, specially not of everything that is not classical music
related. Endless "discussions" without any meaning.
I would recommend not calling people antisemite lightly, just because it's hardhitting. It's been a couple of weeks now that almost everyday someone gets called an antisemite here.
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 18:34:38 UTC, Gerard wrote:
That is a general phenomenon in this group: no one convinces anyone of
whatever, specially not of everything that is not classical music related. >> Endless "discussions" without any meaning.
Discussions don't have to be meaningless. There are some good brains here.
It just requires discussions to stay on topic and not respond to internet trolls in any way.
<snip>
What are your thoughts on this going forwards?
but I expect to convince no one of that.
Op 2023-01-23 om 18:17 schreef Frank Berger:
but I expect to convince no one of that.
That is a general phenomenon in this group: no one convinces anyone of whatever, specially not of everything that is not classical music related. Endless "discussions" without any meaning.
Since the invasion of Ukraine we have seen a shift in power blocs. Russia and China are getting closer, and bringing with them a number of African countries, the latest being S.Africa with joint military operations with Russia and China. India is yetto show its hand more clearly.
Some of this is because of energy dependency, especially in the case of Russia. Some is because of economic dependency in the case of China. Meanwhile the US and Europe remain aligned together with the Saudi oil states.
What are your thoughts on this going forwards?
In brief, perceived weakness in the US generates world disorder, as bad actors see an opportunity to gain power.
Bob Harper
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 18:34:38 UTC, Gerard wrote:
That is a general phenomenon in this group: no one convinces anyone of whatever, specially not of everything that is not classical music related. Endless "discussions" without any meaning.Discussions don't have to be meaningless. There are some good brains here.
It just requires discussions to stay on topic and not respond to internet trolls in any way.
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:28:33, Andy Evans wrote:
<snip>
What are your thoughts on this going forwards?We have reached Peak China. It is a nation in decline. Xi knows this...
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 18:34:38 UTC, Gerard wrote:
That is a general phenomenon in this group: no one convinces anyone of whatever, specially not of everything that is not classical music related. Endless "discussions" without any meaning.Discussions don't have to be meaningless. There are some good brains here.
It just requires discussions to stay on topic and not respond to internet trolls in any way.
As a critic, I think it's fair to assess the "international relations"
posts on this group thusly: Not a single one has been of any real
interest, and most are garbage.
I'm very disappointed with Andy for starting this thread in the wake
of the other ongoing troll thread. End of comments.
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 18:49:28 UTC, Todd M. McComb wrote:
As a critic, I think it's fair to assess the "international relations" posts on this group thusly: Not a single one has been of any real interest, and most are garbage.
I'm very disappointed with Andy for starting this thread in the wakeI think you're right. Looks like there's no point in discussing world affairs. I'll look for somewhere else to do that.
of the other ongoing troll thread. End of comments.
Unfortunately a lot of the threads about music are quite boring. Slim pickings here.
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Montag, 23. Januar 2023 um 16:10:57 UTC+1:
I think Putin botched any serious association with China with the>Ofc noone challenged Putin. Putin is just paranoid and megalomaniac.
Ukraine war. When Putin met Xi, you could see the look of "Am I>
dealing with a lunatic?" on Xi's face. I think the meeting went>
something like this:>> Xi: What are you, crazy?> Putin: They challenged
me, and a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.
Didn't want to "destroy" your joke, but just wanted to point it out.
Are you with me?> Xi: Only to the extent that it doesn't involve us.>>> -Owen
I think the headline of this thread sounds as if it was written by some paranoid conspiracy theorist. Without having read anything Andy has
said, I'd like to add something reasonable:
It is much more that the roles between China and Russia have changed
now (I mean this was likely even the case before the war - would have
to read up more on this; I wonder how much the war contributed, he
probably just accelerated this to the way it is now), while in the past
China was dependant on Russia, it is now the other way around. And yes,
I don't think China is particuarly fond Russia's war, China just wants
to keep growing economically without war, and one also has to keep
Taiwan in hindsight, China seeing the resistance of Ukraine might have changed their plans wrt Taiwan - not sure, just speculating.
The "new world order" that seems to escape Andy's mind is that men can
today be women (Miss Universe can actually be male), and women can be
men. Or that children can get their tits cut off, while they have to be
an adult to get a breast-augmentation. Or the utter insanity of New
Zealand trying to ban smoking...
Unfortunately a lot of the threads about music are quite boring.
Slim pickings here.
On 2023-01-23 15:53:31 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Montag, 23. Januar 2023 um 16:10:57 UTC+1:
I think Putin botched any serious association with China with the>Ofc noone challenged Putin. Putin is just paranoid and megalomaniac.
Ukraine war. When Putin met Xi, you could see the look of "Am I>
dealing with a lunatic?" on Xi's face. I think the meeting went>
something like this:>> Xi: What are you, crazy?> Putin: They challenged
me, and a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.
Didn't want to "destroy" your joke, but just wanted to point it out.
Wasn't a joke.
Of course Putin was challenged:
1) In 2014, Biden watched anti-government protesters fill the streets
of Kyiv in what became known as the Maidan revolution. Within months,
the pro-Russian government was ousted and replaced with pro-Western
leaders. Coincidence? Maybe, but also could be happy happenstance.
2) Biden pressed newly installed Poroshenko's government to sack its
top prosecutor, Shokin. Biden bragged about this.
3) Suddenly, Ukraine is talking about joining NATO, the European
equivalent of putting Russian missiles in Cuba.
Even if Biden actually had NOTHING to do with the above, it doesn't
matter. It's easy to see why Putin has suspicions. Our CIA is an old
hand at creating regime changes. Can you see now why Putin thinks this
is a plot from the west?
Putin maybe paranoid and megalomaniac, but as Tom Clancy once said:
"Even paranoids have enemies."
Source: https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-05/bidens-visits-to-ukraine-under-scrutiny
-Owen
Are you with me?> Xi: Only to the extent that it doesn't involve us.>>> -Owen
I think the headline of this thread sounds as if it was written by some paranoid conspiracy theorist. Without having read anything Andy has
said, I'd like to add something reasonable:
It is much more that the roles between China and Russia have changed
now (I mean this was likely even the case before the war - would have
to read up more on this; I wonder how much the war contributed, he
probably just accelerated this to the way it is now), while in the past China was dependant on Russia, it is now the other way around. And yes,
I don't think China is particuarly fond Russia's war, China just wants
to keep growing economically without war, and one also has to keep
Taiwan in hindsight, China seeing the resistance of Ukraine might have changed their plans wrt Taiwan - not sure, just speculating.
The "new world order" that seems to escape Andy's mind is that men can today be women (Miss Universe can actually be male), and women can be
men. Or that children can get their tits cut off, while they have to be
an adult to get a breast-augmentation. Or the utter insanity of New
Zealand trying to ban smoking...
Of course Putin was challenged:
1) In 2014, Biden watched anti-government protesters fill the streets
of Kyiv in what became known as the Maidan revolution. Within months,
the pro-Russian government was ousted and replaced with pro-Western
leaders. Coincidence? Maybe, but also could be happy happenstance.
2) Biden pressed newly installed Poroshenko's government to sack itstop prosecutor, Shokin. Biden bragged about this.
3) Suddenly, Ukraine is talking about joining NATO, the Europeanequivalent of putting Russian missiles in Cuba.
Even if Biden actually had NOTHING to do with the above, it doesn'tmatter. It's easy to see why Putin has suspicions. Our CIA is an old
hand at creating regime changes. Can you see now why Putin thinks this
is a plot from the west?
Putin maybe paranoid and megalomaniac, but as Tom Clancy once said:"Even paranoids have enemies."
All true, and that was undoubtedly how Putin saw it. The USA underestimated how Putin would react and overestimated its world influence. They thought the armies massed on the border were a bluff until they attacked. Putin has changed the world order asa result. Could the West have acted differently? Who knows. Putin was on a cliff edge and it wasn't clear how to talk him down from that.
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Dienstag, 24. Januar 2023 um 00:44:32 UTC+1:
On 2023-01-23 15:53:31 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Montag, 23. Januar 2023 um 16:10:57 UTC+1:
I think Putin botched any serious association with China with the>Ofc noone challenged Putin. Putin is just paranoid and megalomaniac.
Ukraine war. When Putin met Xi, you could see the look of "Am I>
dealing with a lunatic?" on Xi's face. I think the meeting went>
something like this:>> Xi: What are you, crazy?> Putin: They challenged >>>> me, and a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.
Didn't want to "destroy" your joke, but just wanted to point it out.
Wasn't a joke.
And I thought you were trying to be funny with your imagined dialogue
between Xi and Putin...
Of course Putin was challenged:
What nonsense. The only one challenged here is Ukraine.
1) In 2014, Biden watched anti-government protesters fill the streets
of Kyiv in what became known as the Maidan revolution. Within months,
the pro-Russian government was ousted and replaced with pro-Western
leaders. Coincidence? Maybe, but also could be happy happenstance.
You love conspiracy theories, don't you?
The majority of Ukraine was and is against a pro-Russian government -
look at reality: the majority of Ukrainians are fighting against the
Russian invasion.
Have you ever heard of "Holodomor"? Do you really believe the
Ukrainians long for a russian rule? That would be crazy.
2) Biden pressed newly installed Poroshenko's government to sack its
top prosecutor, Shokin. Biden bragged about this.
So what? The majority of Ukrainians are still against Russia.
3) Suddenly, Ukraine is talking about joining NATO, the European
equivalent of putting Russian missiles in Cuba.
"Suddenly"... It is the right of every sovereign nation to express
their wishes.
Remember how "suddenly" Sweden and Finland intended to join the nato
after Russia invaded Ukraine? Is it wrong of Sweden and Finland to want
this?
Even if Biden actually had NOTHING to do with the above, it doesn't
matter. It's easy to see why Putin has suspicions. Our CIA is an old
hand at creating regime changes. Can you see now why Putin thinks this
is a plot from the west?
So according to you it is the USA's and Ukraine's fault that Russia
invaded Ukraine. Boy are you brainwashed by russian propaganda...
Putin maybe paranoid and megalomaniac, but as Tom Clancy once said:
"Even paranoids have enemies."
When I was young I enjoyed playing Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six (computer
game) with my friends... I don't know much about him, but the quote is
stupid - especially in this context.
One should be angry at the Germans for their appeasement over the last
years wrt to Putin, and how they won't send Leopard-Tanks because they
are kissing Putin's butt (just as you are doing).
You really have no idea what is going on in the ukraine, instead you
sound like a conspiracy theorist.
Source:
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-05/bidens-visits-to-ukraine-under-scrutiny
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Dienstag, 24. Januar 2023 um 16:33:30 UTC+1:anything. It is the right of Ukraine as a sovereign country to not follow Russia's demands.
On 2023-01-24 07:04:39 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Dienstag, 24. Januar 2023 um 00:44:32 UTC+1:
On 2023-01-23 15:53:31 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Montag, 23. Januar 2023 um 16:10:57 UTC+1: >>>> I think Putin botched any serious association with China with the> >>>> Ukraine war. When Putin met Xi, you could see the look of "Am I>Wasn't a joke.
dealing with a lunatic?" on Xi's face. I think the meeting went>Ofc noone challenged Putin. Putin is just paranoid and megalomaniac. >>> Didn't want to "destroy" your joke, but just wanted to point it out. >>
something like this:>> Xi: What are you, crazy?> Putin: They challenged
me, and a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.
And I thought you were trying to be funny with your imagined dialogue between Xi and Putin...
Of course Putin was challenged:
Stay on topic.What nonsense. The only one challenged here is Ukraine.Was the US challenged during the Cuban missile crisis?
The topic is Russia's invasion of the Ukraine:
You are viewing it out of the perspective of a deranged lunatic. Only because Putin is paranoid and megalomaniac he thought to invade the Ukraine in the first place. There is no reason for him to believe that the west will start a war with him or
It is so obvious who the trouble maker is, yet you are finding excuses for Putin's immature behaviour.further abuse human rights.
If the Ukraine asks to be included into the NATO, it's fine as well, just as it is for Finland and Sweden. And if Putin wants to, like any reasonably would like to, he can join the Nato as well. But since he is megalomaniac and paranoid, he won't and
And instead of criticising the hell out of Russia and how Europe - except for Poland and some other countries which I can't think of right now, and ofc the USA outside of Europe - you rationalise Putin's invasion of the Ukraine (CIA regime change, andwhat not - as if regime changes would automatically always be something bad).
government and are fighting against Russia.
1) In 2014, Biden watched anti-government protesters fill the streets >> of Kyiv in what became known as the Maidan revolution. Within months, >> the pro-Russian government was ousted and replaced with pro-Western
leaders. Coincidence? Maybe, but also could be happy happenstance.
I didn't read the article, and if the LA Times is anything as the NY Times, then yes... it has a tendency to be quite far from the truth.You love conspiracy theories, don't you?The LA Times printing conspiracy theories? That's where I got the
above. See cite.
The way you are making things out to be is: That the West removed a pro-Russian government, as if the native population didn't have any say in this. This is conspirational. Very obvious.
If there was any truth in the way you are making it out to be we would have seen revolutions by the native population against the pro-Western government, right? But no, we are seeing that the large majority of Ukrainian people want a pro-Western
The majority of Ukraine was and is against a pro-Russian government - look at reality: the majority of Ukrainians are fighting against the Russian invasion.
Have you ever heard of "Holodomor"? Do you really believe the
Ukrainians long for a russian rule? That would be crazy.
2) Biden pressed newly installed Poroshenko's government to sack its
top prosecutor, Shokin. Biden bragged about this.
The sovereign state wants to join the NATO you god damn idiot who obviously has no idea of what freedom means therefore shits on it.So what? The majority of Ukrainians are still against Russia.We're talking about foreign (US) interference in a sovereign state.
That's what.
Look, I'm not going to read any of your nonsense further. Good luck.
Marc S schrieb am Dienstag, 24. Januar 2023 um 18:52:36 UTC+1:anything. It is the right of Ukraine as a sovereign country to not follow Russia's demands.
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Dienstag, 24. Januar 2023 um 16:33:30 UTC+1:
On 2023-01-24 07:04:39 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Dienstag, 24. Januar 2023 um 00:44:32 UTC+1:
On 2023-01-23 15:53:31 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Montag, 23. Januar 2023 um 16:10:57 UTC+1: >>>> I think Putin botched any serious association with China with the> >>>> Ukraine war. When Putin met Xi, you could see the look of "Am I> >>>> dealing with a lunatic?" on Xi's face. I think the meeting went> >>>> something like this:>> Xi: What are you, crazy?> Putin: They challengedWasn't a joke.
me, and a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.Ofc noone challenged Putin. Putin is just paranoid and megalomaniac. >>> Didn't want to "destroy" your joke, but just wanted to point it out. >>
And I thought you were trying to be funny with your imagined dialogue between Xi and Putin...
Of course Putin was challenged:
Stay on topic.What nonsense. The only one challenged here is Ukraine.Was the US challenged during the Cuban missile crisis?
The topic is Russia's invasion of the Ukraine:
You are viewing it out of the perspective of a deranged lunatic. Only because Putin is paranoid and megalomaniac he thought to invade the Ukraine in the first place. There is no reason for him to believe that the west will start a war with him or
further abuse human rights.It is so obvious who the trouble maker is, yet you are finding excuses for Putin's immature behaviour.
If the Ukraine asks to be included into the NATO, it's fine as well, just as it is for Finland and Sweden. And if Putin wants to, like any reasonably would like to, he can join the Nato as well. But since he is megalomaniac and paranoid, he won't and
and what not - as if regime changes would automatically always be something bad).And instead of criticising the hell out of Russia and how Europe - except for Poland and some other countries which I can't think of right now, and ofc the USA outside of Europe - you rationalise Putin's invasion of the Ukraine (CIA regime change,
*and how Europe - except ... - fails Ukraine, you...government and are fighting against Russia.
1) In 2014, Biden watched anti-government protesters fill the streets >> of Kyiv in what became known as the Maidan revolution. Within months, >> the pro-Russian government was ousted and replaced with pro-Western >> leaders. Coincidence? Maybe, but also could be happy happenstance.
I didn't read the article, and if the LA Times is anything as the NY Times, then yes... it has a tendency to be quite far from the truth.You love conspiracy theories, don't you?The LA Times printing conspiracy theories? That's where I got the
above. See cite.
The way you are making things out to be is: That the West removed a pro-Russian government, as if the native population didn't have any say in this. This is conspirational. Very obvious.
If there was any truth in the way you are making it out to be we would have seen revolutions by the native population against the pro-Western government, right? But no, we are seeing that the large majority of Ukrainian people want a pro-Western
The majority of Ukraine was and is against a pro-Russian government - look at reality: the majority of Ukrainians are fighting against the Russian invasion.
Have you ever heard of "Holodomor"? Do you really believe the Ukrainians long for a russian rule? That would be crazy.
2) Biden pressed newly installed Poroshenko's government to sack its >> top prosecutor, Shokin. Biden bragged about this.
The sovereign state wants to join the NATO you god damn idiot who obviously has no idea of what freedom means therefore shits on it.So what? The majority of Ukrainians are still against Russia.We're talking about foreign (US) interference in a sovereign state. That's what.
Look, I'm not going to read any of your nonsense further. Good luck.
On 2023-01-24 07:04:39 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Dienstag, 24. Januar 2023 um 00:44:32 UTC+1:
On 2023-01-23 15:53:31 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Montag, 23. Januar 2023 um 16:10:57 UTC+1:
I think Putin botched any serious association with China with the>Ofc noone challenged Putin. Putin is just paranoid and megalomaniac.
Ukraine war. When Putin met Xi, you could see the look of "Am I>
dealing with a lunatic?" on Xi's face. I think the meeting went>
something like this:>> Xi: What are you, crazy?> Putin: They challenged >>>> me, and a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.
Didn't want to "destroy" your joke, but just wanted to point it out.
Wasn't a joke.
And I thought you were trying to be funny with your imagined dialogue between Xi and Putin...
Of course Putin was challenged:
What nonsense. The only one challenged here is Ukraine.Was the US challenged during the Cuban missile crisis?
1) In 2014, Biden watched anti-government protesters fill the streets
of Kyiv in what became known as the Maidan revolution. Within months,
the pro-Russian government was ousted and replaced with pro-Western
leaders. Coincidence? Maybe, but also could be happy happenstance.
You love conspiracy theories, don't you?The LA Times printing conspiracy theories? That's where I got the
above. See cite.
The majority of Ukraine was and is against a pro-Russian government -
look at reality: the majority of Ukrainians are fighting against the Russian invasion.
Have you ever heard of "Holodomor"? Do you really believe the
Ukrainians long for a russian rule? That would be crazy.
2) Biden pressed newly installed Poroshenko's government to sack its
top prosecutor, Shokin. Biden bragged about this.
So what? The majority of Ukrainians are still against Russia.We're talking about foreign (US) interference in a sovereign state.
That's what.
3) Suddenly, Ukraine is talking about joining NATO, the European
equivalent of putting Russian missiles in Cuba.
"Suddenly"... It is the right of every sovereign nation to express
their wishes.
Remember how "suddenly" Sweden and Finland intended to join the natoOf course they don't want Russian rule. I've never said that. You
after Russia invaded Ukraine? Is it wrong of Sweden and Finland to want this?
said Putin wasn't challenged. I'm showing you that, from Putin's point
of view, a country aligned with Russia was turned into a country
unaligned with Russia, and the Vice President at the time and now
President was involved in it.
Putin felt backed into a a corner, and did a very stupid thing: he
invaded. I'm not justifying it, that can't be done. No good will come
of that decision.
Even if Biden actually had NOTHING to do with the above, it doesn't
matter. It's easy to see why Putin has suspicions. Our CIA is an old
hand at creating regime changes. Can you see now why Putin thinks this
is a plot from the west?
So according to you it is the USA's and Ukraine's fault that Russia invaded Ukraine. Boy are you brainwashed by russian propaganda...It doesn't matter whether the USA interfered or not, it's enough that
Putin thinks the USA did interfere. It's not like Biden's been
secretive about it.
Putin maybe paranoid and megalomaniac, but as Tom Clancy once said:
"Even paranoids have enemies."
When I was young I enjoyed playing Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six (computer game) with my friends... I don't know much about him, but the quote is stupid - especially in this context.
One should be angry at the Germans for their appeasement over the last years wrt to Putin, and how they won't send Leopard-Tanks because they
are kissing Putin's butt (just as you are doing).
You really have no idea what is going on in the ukraine, instead youI haven't addressed the war, nor who is right or wrong. I'm merely
sound like a conspiracy theorist.
showing you that Putin had reasons for doing what he did. I'm assuming
you have the capability of looking at it from Putin's point of view. Granted, a twisted megalomaniac's point of view, but a point of view, nevertheless.
Heads of State make tremedously bad decisions when war is involved. I'm
more interested in why they made that mistake -- it's obvious it's a
bad mistake. You should be wondering why a stable situation in a
critical part of the world suddenly turned into a war. And it's not as simple as Putin == bad; USA/west == good.
Source:
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-05/bidens-visits-to-ukraine-under-scrutiny
-Owen
Marc S schrieb am Dienstag, 24. Januar 2023 um 18:55:10 UTC+1:anything. It is the right of Ukraine as a sovereign country to not follow Russia's demands.
Marc S schrieb am Dienstag, 24. Januar 2023 um 18:52:36 UTC+1:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Dienstag, 24. Januar 2023 um 16:33:30 UTC+1:
On 2023-01-24 07:04:39 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Dienstag, 24. Januar 2023 um 00:44:32 UTC+1:
On 2023-01-23 15:53:31 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Montag, 23. Januar 2023 um 16:10:57 UTC+1:
I think Putin botched any serious association with China with the>Ofc noone challenged Putin. Putin is just paranoid and megalomaniac.
Ukraine war. When Putin met Xi, you could see the look of "Am I> >>>> dealing with a lunatic?" on Xi's face. I think the meeting went> >>>> something like this:>> Xi: What are you, crazy?> Putin: They challenged
me, and a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.
Didn't want to "destroy" your joke, but just wanted to point it out.
Wasn't a joke.
And I thought you were trying to be funny with your imagined dialogue
between Xi and Putin...
Of course Putin was challenged:
Stay on topic.What nonsense. The only one challenged here is Ukraine.Was the US challenged during the Cuban missile crisis?
The topic is Russia's invasion of the Ukraine:
You are viewing it out of the perspective of a deranged lunatic. Only because Putin is paranoid and megalomaniac he thought to invade the Ukraine in the first place. There is no reason for him to believe that the west will start a war with him or
and further abuse human rights.It is so obvious who the trouble maker is, yet you are finding excuses for Putin's immature behaviour.
If the Ukraine asks to be included into the NATO, it's fine as well, just as it is for Finland and Sweden. And if Putin wants to, like any reasonably would like to, he can join the Nato as well. But since he is megalomaniac and paranoid, he won't
and what not - as if regime changes would automatically always be something bad).And instead of criticising the hell out of Russia and how Europe - except for Poland and some other countries which I can't think of right now, and ofc the USA outside of Europe - you rationalise Putin's invasion of the Ukraine (CIA regime change,
government and are fighting against Russia.*and how Europe - except ... - fails Ukraine, you...
1) In 2014, Biden watched anti-government protesters fill the streets
of Kyiv in what became known as the Maidan revolution. Within months,
the pro-Russian government was ousted and replaced with pro-Western >> leaders. Coincidence? Maybe, but also could be happy happenstance. >>
I didn't read the article, and if the LA Times is anything as the NY Times, then yes... it has a tendency to be quite far from the truth.You love conspiracy theories, don't you?The LA Times printing conspiracy theories? That's where I got the above. See cite.
The way you are making things out to be is: That the West removed a pro-Russian government, as if the native population didn't have any say in this. This is conspirational. Very obvious.
If there was any truth in the way you are making it out to be we would have seen revolutions by the native population against the pro-Western government, right? But no, we are seeing that the large majority of Ukrainian people want a pro-Western
The majority of Ukraine was and is against a pro-Russian government -
look at reality: the majority of Ukrainians are fighting against the Russian invasion.
Have you ever heard of "Holodomor"? Do you really believe the Ukrainians long for a russian rule? That would be crazy.
crazy.2) Biden pressed newly installed Poroshenko's government to sack its
top prosecutor, Shokin. Biden bragged about this.
*you obviously have no idea what freedom means and therefore you shit on it.The sovereign state wants to join the NATO you god damn idiot who obviously has no idea of what freedom means therefore shits on it.So what? The majority of Ukrainians are still against Russia.We're talking about foreign (US) interference in a sovereign state. That's what.
Instead of understanding the reality that the people of Ukraine embraced a pro-Western government, and need urgent help in their fight for freedom, you make the USA out to be the bad guy, and Putin the guy who couldn't have acted in any other way...Look, I'm not going to read any of your nonsense further. Good luck.
You know nothing about the realities in Ukraine. Ukrainians know how living conditions deterioated crimea after Russia annexed, just further reason not to again be under the rule of the "Soviets". Putin basically views Ukraine as "little Russia" anddenies it its right of self-determination.
Where India stands in terms of alignment is interesting. It has been a "non-aligned country" when that meant anything. The NAM still exists and meets, but it has very little influence. India abstained from the UN vote on Ukraine in January 2022. Ituses Russian military equipment but at the same time met with Boris Johnson over trade talks. Often called "on the fence" it hasn't declared for any side. It's wary of Chinese influence in Asia, but geographically it is far from the USA and has to
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:02:55 PM UTC+1, Marc S wrote:
You know nothing about the realities in Ukraine.Sez the armchair general.
For in every little act of censorship like this one, Modi and his friends come out looking like bigger fascists, only end up confirming what they refute – that they will brazenly extinguish the tiniest flickers of dissent or questioning in the way oftheir Hindu Rashtra project. A few discerning voices ask – why impose such a blackout if you are not guilty, have formidable power, and supposedly no one to be afraid of?
You know nothing about the realities in Ukraine.
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Dienstag, 24. Januar 2023 um 16:33:30 UTC+1:
On 2023-01-24 07:04:39 +0000, Marc S said:>> > Owen Hartnett schrieb am
Dienstag, 24. Januar 2023 um 00:44:32 UTC+1:> >> On 2023-01-23 15:53:31
+0000, Marc S said:> >>> >>> Owen Hartnett schrieb am Montag, 23.
Januar 2023 um 16:10:57 UTC+1:> >>>> I think Putin botched any serious
association with China with the>> >>>> Ukraine war. When Putin met Xi,
you could see the look of "Am I>> >>>> dealing with a lunatic?" on Xi's
face. I think the meeting went>> >>>> something like this:>> Xi: What
are you, crazy?> Putin: They challenged> >>>> me, and a man's gotta do
what a man's gotta do.> >>> Ofc noone challenged Putin. Putin is just
paranoid and megalomaniac.> >>> Didn't want to "destroy" your joke, but
just wanted to point it out.> >>> >> Wasn't a joke.> >> > And I thought
you were trying to be funny with your imagined dialogue> > between Xi
and Putin...> >> >>> >> Of course Putin was challenged:> >> > What
nonsense. The only one challenged here is Ukraine.
Was the US challenged during the Cuban missile crisis?
Stay on topic.
The topic is Russia's invasion of the Ukraine:
You are viewing it out of the perspective of a deranged lunatic. Only
because Putin is paranoid and megalomaniac he thought to invade the
Ukraine in the first place. There is no reason for him to believe that
the west will start a war with him or anything. It is the right of
Ukraine as a sovereign country to not follow Russia's demands.
It is so obvious who the trouble maker is, yet you are finding excuses
for Putin's immature behaviour.
If the Ukraine asks to be included into the NATO, it's fine as well,
just as it is for Finland and Sweden. And if Putin wants to, like any reasonably would like to, he can join the Nato as well. But since he is megalomaniac and paranoid, he won't and further abuse human rights.
And instead of criticising the hell out of Russia and how Europe -
except for Poland and some other countries which I can't think of right
now, and ofc the USA outside of Europe - you rationalise Putin's
invasion of the Ukraine (CIA regime change, and what not - as if regime changes would automatically always be something bad).
The LA Times printing conspiracy theories? That's where I got the>
1) In 2014, Biden watched anti-government protesters fill the streets> >>>> >> of Kyiv in what became known as the Maidan revolution. Within
months,> >> the pro-Russian government was ousted and replaced with
pro-Western> >> leaders. Coincidence? Maybe, but also could be happy
happenstance.> >>> >> > You love conspiracy theories, don't you?
above. See cite.
I didn't read the article, and if the LA Times is anything as the NY
Times, then yes... it has a tendency to be quite far from the truth.
The way you are making things out to be is: That the West removed a pro-Russian government, as if the native population didn't have any say
in this. This is conspirational. Very obvious.
If there was any truth in the way you are making it out to be we would
have seen revolutions by the native population against the pro-Western government, right? But no, we are seeing that the large majority of
Ukrainian people want a pro-Western government and are fighting against Russia.
The majority of Ukraine was and is against a pro-Russian government ->We're talking about foreign (US) interference in a sovereign state.>
look at reality: the majority of Ukrainians are fighting against the>really believe the> > Ukrainians long for a russian rule? That would be
Russian invasion.> >> > Have you ever heard of "Holodomor"? Do you
crazy.>> >> >> 2) Biden pressed newly installed Poroshenko's government
to sack its> >> top prosecutor, Shokin. Biden bragged about this.> >>>
So what? The majority of Ukrainians are still against Russia.
That's what.
The sovereign state wants to join the NATO you god damn idiot who
obviously has no idea of what freedom means therefore shits on it.
Look, I'm not going to read any of your nonsense further. Good luck.
Of course they don't want Russian rule. I've never said that. You> said
3) Suddenly, Ukraine is talking about joining NATO, the European> >>
equivalent of putting Russian missiles in Cuba.> >>> >> > "Suddenly"... >>>> It is the right of every sovereign nation to express> > their wishes.> >>>> >> > Remember how "suddenly" Sweden and Finland intended to join the
nato> > after Russia invaded Ukraine? Is it wrong of Sweden and Finland >>>> to want> > this?
Putin wasn't challenged. I'm showing you that, from Putin's point> of
view, a country aligned with Russia was turned into a country>
unaligned with Russia, and the Vice President at the time and now>
President was involved in it.>> Putin felt backed into a a corner, and
did a very stupid thing: he> invaded. I'm not justifying it, that can't
be done. No good will come> of that decision.
It doesn't matter whether the USA interfered or not, it's enough that>
Even if Biden actually had NOTHING to do with the above, it doesn't> >> >>>> matter. It's easy to see why Putin has suspicions. Our CIA is an old>
this> >> is a plot from the west?> >>> >> > So according to you it ishand at creating regime changes. Can you see now why Putin thinks
the USA's and Ukraine's fault that Russia> > invaded Ukraine. Boy are
you brainwashed by russian propaganda...
Putin thinks the USA did interfere. It's not like Biden's been>
secretive about it.
I haven't addressed the war, nor who is right or wrong. I'm merely>
Putin maybe paranoid and megalomaniac, but as Tom Clancy once said:> >> >>>> "Even paranoids have enemies."> >>> >> > When I was young I enjoyed
playing Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six (computer> > game) with my friends... >>>> I don't know much about him, but the quote is> > stupid - especially in >>>> this context.> >> > One should be angry at the Germans for their
appeasement over the last> > years wrt to Putin, and how they won't
send Leopard-Tanks because they> > are kissing Putin's butt (just as
you are doing).> >> > You really have no idea what is going on in the
ukraine, instead you> > sound like a conspiracy theorist.
showing you that Putin had reasons for doing what he did. I'm assuming>
you have the capability of looking at it from Putin's point of view.>
Granted, a twisted megalomaniac's point of view, but a point of view,>
nevertheless.>> Heads of State make tremedously bad decisions when war
is involved. I'm> more interested in why they made that mistake -- it's
obvious it's a> bad mistake. You should be wondering why a stable
situation in a> critical part of the world suddenly turned into a war.
And it's not as> simple as Putin == bad; USA/west == good.>> >> >>
Source:> >>
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-05/bidens-visits-to-ukraine-under-scrutiny>
-Owen
On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 18:46:14 UTC, gggg gggg wrote:of their Hindu Rashtra project. A few discerning voices ask – why impose such a blackout if you are not guilty, have formidable power, and supposedly no one to be afraid of?
For in every little act of censorship like this one, Modi and his friends come out looking like bigger fascists, only end up confirming what they refute – that they will brazenly extinguish the tiniest flickers of dissent or questioning in the way
It seems to be a widespread policy today for governments to try to control
1. The media
2. The judiciary
Moves to control the judiciary by Netanyahu and many other leaders and parties like the Republicans have become commonplace, hence the understandable media attention on "democracy in jeopardy".
On 1/24/2023 1:52 PM, Andy Evans wrote:of their Hindu Rashtra project. A few discerning voices ask – why impose such a blackout if you are not guilty, have formidable power, and supposedly no one to be afraid of?
On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 18:46:14 UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
For in every little act of censorship like this one, Modi and his friends come out looking like bigger fascists, only end up confirming what they refute – that they will brazenly extinguish the tiniest flickers of dissent or questioning in the way
It seems to be a widespread policy today for governments to try to control 1. The media
2. The judiciary
Moves to control the judiciary by Netanyahu and
many other leaders and parties like the Republicans
have become commonplace, hence the understandable
media attention on "democracy in jeopardy".
Would you characterize the Democrats wanting to
add 3 or more seats to SCOTUS as controlling the
judiciary? I would.
The Israeli government's proposed judicial reform
will actually strengthen the separation of powers
to be more like it is in other democracies.
The Supreme Court in Israel has way too much power.
For example, it selects new justices itself and has
virtual veto power over legislation.
All the reform proposal does is establish a
reasonable balance.
Of course since the Court leans way left
and would have less power under reform,
the Left has gone bonkers, calling the
reforms a THREAT TO DEMOCRACY
and Netanyahu a fascist.
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 12:33:39 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:of their Hindu Rashtra project. A few discerning voices ask – why impose such a blackout if you are not guilty, have formidable power, and supposedly no one to be afraid of?
On 1/24/2023 1:52 PM, Andy Evans wrote:
On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 18:46:14 UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
For in every little act of censorship like this one, Modi and his friends come out looking like bigger fascists, only end up confirming what they refute – that they will brazenly extinguish the tiniest flickers of dissent or questioning in the way
It seems to be a widespread policy today for governments to try to control >>> 1. The media
2. The judiciary
Moves to control the judiciary by Netanyahu and
many other leaders and parties like the Republicans
have become commonplace, hence the understandable
media attention on "democracy in jeopardy".
Would you characterize the Democrats wanting to
add 3 or more seats to SCOTUS as controlling the
judiciary? I would.
The Israeli government's proposed judicial reform
will actually strengthen the separation of powers
to be more like it is in other democracies.
Examples?
The Supreme Court in Israel has way too much power.
In what way?
For example, it selects new justices itself and has
virtual veto power over legislation.
Would you rather have political bodies select new
justices? That would be one of the stupidest ideas
ever. How can a supreme court ever be possibly
free from political influence and pressure if the
judges are picked by the Prez and by Congress?
Would you rather have SCOTUS justices picked
by Mme. Thomas and by the Federalist Society?
I ask the question ......
All the reform proposal does is establish a
reasonable balance.
Reasonableness is in the eyes and minbds
of the beholders. What is reasonable to one
person (e.g. rabbis have authority to dictate
what people eat, whom they can marry, and
how they spend weekends) maybe entirely
unreasonable to others.
Of course since the Court leans way left
Examples?
and would have less power under reform,
the Left has gone bonkers, calling the
reforms a THREAT TO DEMOCRACY
and Netanyahu a fascist.
The reforms are indeed as threat to
democracy as understood by many
in Israel. Whether Bibi is a fascist or
not is entirely irrelevant to the matter.
dk
On 1/24/2023 6:03 PM, Dan Koren wrote:way of their Hindu Rashtra project. A few discerning voices ask – why impose such a blackout if you are not guilty, have formidable power, and supposedly no one to be afraid of?
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 12:33:39 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/24/2023 1:52 PM, Andy Evans wrote:
On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 18:46:14 UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
For in every little act of censorship like this one, Modi and his friends come out looking like bigger fascists, only end up confirming what they refute – that they will brazenly extinguish the tiniest flickers of dissent or questioning in the
It seems to be a widespread policy today for governments to try to control
1. The media
2. The judiciary
Moves to control the judiciary by Netanyahu and
many other leaders and parties like the Republicans
have become commonplace, hence the understandable
media attention on "democracy in jeopardy".
Would you characterize the Democrats wanting to
add 3 or more seats to SCOTUS as controlling the
judiciary? I would.
The Israeli government's proposed judicial reform
will actually strengthen the separation of powers
to be more like it is in other democracies.
Examples?
The Supreme Court in Israel has way too much power.
In what way?
For example, it selects new justices itself and has
virtual veto power over legislation.
Would you rather have political bodies select new
justices? That would be one of the stupidest ideas
ever. How can a supreme court ever be possibly
free from political influence and pressure if the
judges are picked by the Prez and by Congress?
Would you rather have SCOTUS justices picked
by Mme. Thomas and by the Federalist Society?
I ask the question ......
All the reform proposal does is establish a
reasonable balance.
Reasonableness is in the eyes and minbds
of the beholders. What is reasonable to one
person (e.g. rabbis have authority to dictate
what people eat, whom they can marry, and
how they spend weekends) maybe entirely
unreasonable to others.
Of course since the Court leans way left
Examples?
and would have less power under reform,
the Left has gone bonkers, calling the
reforms a THREAT TO DEMOCRACY
and Netanyahu a fascist.
The reforms are indeed as threat to
democracy as understood by many
in Israel. Whether Bibi is a fascist or
not is entirely irrelevant to the matter.
You asked questions that I answered in
the post. If you want to know more look
it up. And not at Haaretz or the NYT.
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 3:55:49 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:way of their Hindu Rashtra project. A few discerning voices ask – why impose such a blackout if you are not guilty, have formidable power, and supposedly no one to be afraid of?
On 1/24/2023 6:03 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 12:33:39 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/24/2023 1:52 PM, Andy Evans wrote:
On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 18:46:14 UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
For in every little act of censorship like this one, Modi and his friends come out looking like bigger fascists, only end up confirming what they refute – that they will brazenly extinguish the tiniest flickers of dissent or questioning in the
It seems to be a widespread policy today for governments to try to control
1. The media
2. The judiciary
Moves to control the judiciary by Netanyahu and
many other leaders and parties like the Republicans
have become commonplace, hence the understandable
media attention on "democracy in jeopardy".
Would you characterize the Democrats wanting to
add 3 or more seats to SCOTUS as controlling the
judiciary? I would.
The Israeli government's proposed judicial reform
will actually strengthen the separation of powers
to be more like it is in other democracies.
Examples?
The Supreme Court in Israel has way too much power.
In what way?
For example, it selects new justices itself and has
virtual veto power over legislation.
Would you rather have political bodies select new
justices? That would be one of the stupidest ideas
ever. How can a supreme court ever be possibly
free from political influence and pressure if the
judges are picked by the Prez and by Congress?
Would you rather have SCOTUS justices picked
by Mme. Thomas and by the Federalist Society?
I ask the question ......
All the reform proposal does is establish a
reasonable balance.
Reasonableness is in the eyes and minbds
of the beholders. What is reasonable to one
person (e.g. rabbis have authority to dictate
what people eat, whom they can marry, and
how they spend weekends) maybe entirely
unreasonable to others.
Of course since the Court leans way left
Examples?
and would have less power under reform,
the Left has gone bonkers, calling the
reforms a THREAT TO DEMOCRACY
and Netanyahu a fascist.
The reforms are indeed as threat to
democracy as understood by many
in Israel. Whether Bibi is a fascist or
not is entirely irrelevant to the matter.
You asked questions that I answered in
the post. If you want to know more look
it up. And not at Haaretz or the NYT.
I don't read either Ha'aretz or NYT often.
And I do not buy, borrow, lease or steal
my opinions from anywhere or anyone
else. Why would one ever do this?
I read all kind of sources across the
opinion spectrum, from right to left,
East to West, North to South, etc ....
As usual, no single source has all
the facts, presents all the facts, or
is right (or wrong) in every single
respect, and that includes judges
and rabbis.
dk
On 1/24/2023 7:01 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 3:55:49 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
You asked questions that I answered in
the post. If you want to know more look
it up. And not at Haaretz or the NYT.
I don't read either Ha'aretz or NYT often.
And I do not buy, borrow, lease or steal
my opinions from anywhere or anyone
else. Why would one ever do this?
I read all kind of sources across the
opinion spectrum, from right to left,
East to West, North to South, etc ....
As usual, no single source has all
the facts, presents all the facts, or
is right (or wrong) in every single
respect, and that includes judges
and rabbis.
You are arguing for arguing's sake which I
am not interested in doing. I said nothing
to suggest you should get information from
a single source. My suggestion re news
sources was meant to suggest you collect
information (not necessarily opinions) from
sources with different kinds of bias.
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:34:38 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/24/2023 7:01 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 3:55:49 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
You asked questions that I answered in
the post. If you want to know more look
it up. And not at Haaretz or the NYT.
I don't read either Ha'aretz or NYT often.
And I do not buy, borrow, lease or steal
my opinions from anywhere or anyone
else. Why would one ever do this?
I read all kind of sources across the
opinion spectrum, from right to left,
East to West, North to South, etc ....
As usual, no single source has all
the facts, presents all the facts, or
is right (or wrong) in every single
respect, and that includes judges
and rabbis.
You are arguing for arguing's sake which I
am not interested in doing. I said nothing
to suggest you should get information from
a single source. My suggestion re news
sources was meant to suggest you collect
information (not necessarily opinions) from
sources with different kinds of bias.
While that may have been your honest intent,
it is not what you said. Quoting literally, "not
Haaretz or NYT". It does not sound to me as
a balanced, neutral "sources with different
kinds of bias".
Otherwise, one should point out that the JP
has been sliding rightwards over the past 50
years I've been reading it, and the trend seems
to be accelerating. This also holds for other
Israeli press, e.g. Yediot Aharonot or Ha'aretz,
though less noticeably. It seems to reflect the
rightwards trend in the ganaral population.
dk
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:34:38 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/24/2023 7:01 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 3:55:49 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
You asked questions that I answered in
the post. If you want to know more look
it up. And not at Haaretz or the NYT.
I don't read either Ha'aretz or NYT often.
And I do not buy, borrow, lease or steal
my opinions from anywhere or anyone
else. Why would one ever do this?
I read all kind of sources across the
opinion spectrum, from right to left,
East to West, North to South, etc ....
As usual, no single source has all
the facts, presents all the facts, or
is right (or wrong) in every single
respect, and that includes judges
and rabbis.
You are arguing for arguing's sake which IWhile that may have been your honest intent,
am not interested in doing. I said nothing
to suggest you should get information from
a single source. My suggestion re news
sources was meant to suggest you collect
information (not necessarily opinions) from
sources with different kinds of bias.
it is not what you said. Quoting literally, "not
Haaretz or NYT". It does not sound to me as
a balanced, neutral "sources with different
kinds of bias".
Otherwise, one should point out that the JP
has been sliding rightwards over the past 50
years I've been reading it, and the trend seems
to be accelerating. This also holds for other
Israeli press, e.g. Yediot Aharonot or Ha'aretz,
though less noticeably. It seems to reflect the
rightwards trend in the ganaral population.
dk
On 2023-01-24 17:52:33 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Dienstag, 24. Januar 2023 um 16:33:30 UTC+1:
On 2023-01-24 07:04:39 +0000, Marc S said:>> > Owen Hartnett schrieb am >> Dienstag, 24. Januar 2023 um 00:44:32 UTC+1:> >> On 2023-01-23 15:53:31 >> +0000, Marc S said:> >>> >>> Owen Hartnett schrieb am Montag, 23.
Januar 2023 um 16:10:57 UTC+1:> >>>> I think Putin botched any serious
association with China with the>> >>>> Ukraine war. When Putin met Xi,
you could see the look of "Am I>> >>>> dealing with a lunatic?" on Xi's >> face. I think the meeting went>> >>>> something like this:>> Xi: What
are you, crazy?> Putin: They challenged> >>>> me, and a man's gotta do
what a man's gotta do.> >>> Ofc noone challenged Putin. Putin is just
paranoid and megalomaniac.> >>> Didn't want to "destroy" your joke, but >> just wanted to point it out.> >>> >> Wasn't a joke.> >> > And I thought >> you were trying to be funny with your imagined dialogue> > between Xi
and Putin...> >> >>> >> Of course Putin was challenged:> >> > What
nonsense. The only one challenged here is Ukraine.
Was the US challenged during the Cuban missile crisis?
Stay on topic.
The topic is Russia's invasion of the Ukraine:No, the topic is:OT A new world order and a bigger cold war coming?
You are viewing it out of the perspective of a deranged lunatic. Only because Putin is paranoid and megalomaniac he thought to invade the Ukraine in the first place. There is no reason for him to believe thatI haven't said anything that contradicts this.
the west will start a war with him or anything. It is the right of
Ukraine as a sovereign country to not follow Russia's demands.
It is so obvious who the trouble maker is, yet you are finding excusesSimply by calling it "immature," you are finding an "excuse" for his behavior. I think my reasons for him doing what he did are more
for Putin's immature behaviour.
accurate than yours. And there is a difference between "excusing"
someone's behavior and seeing a "reason" for that behavior.
If the Ukraine asks to be included into the NATO, it's fine as well,
just as it is for Finland and Sweden. And if Putin wants to, like any reasonably would like to, he can join the Nato as well. But since he is megalomaniac and paranoid, he won't and further abuse human rights.
And instead of criticising the hell out of Russia and how Europe -Are you saying the US should continue to be in the regime change
except for Poland and some other countries which I can't think of right now, and ofc the USA outside of Europe - you rationalise Putin's
invasion of the Ukraine (CIA regime change, and what not - as if regime changes would automatically always be something bad).
business? Why wouldn't Putin see this as another attempt at regime
change? His regime change.
The LA Times printing conspiracy theories? That's where I got the>
1) In 2014, Biden watched anti-government protesters fill the streets> >>>> >> of Kyiv in what became known as the Maidan revolution. Within
months,> >> the pro-Russian government was ousted and replaced with >>>> pro-Western> >> leaders. Coincidence? Maybe, but also could be happy >>>> happenstance.> >>> >> > You love conspiracy theories, don't you?
above. See cite.
I didn't read the article, and if the LA Times is anything as the NY Times, then yes... it has a tendency to be quite far from the truth.Precisely. Andn even farther away from blaming Biden on anything.
Which is why I selected it. It can't be dismissed as right wing
rhetoric, thus we can reasonably believe the facts it describes are
true.
The way you are making things out to be is: That the West removed a pro-Russian government, as if the native population didn't have any sayNo. I'm saying that simply the suspicion that this happened would be
in this. This is conspirational. Very obvious.
enough to stimulate Putin.
If there was any truth in the way you are making it out to be we would have seen revolutions by the native population against the pro-Western government, right? But no, we are seeing that the large majority of Ukrainian people want a pro-Western government and are fighting against Russia.Do you think Putin woke up in the middle of the night and said "think
I'll invade Ukraine?" The only motive you've purported for his doing
this is that he's "immature." I disagree with your interpretation.
The majority of Ukraine was and is against a pro-Russian government -> >>> > look at reality: the majority of Ukrainians are fighting against the> >>> > Russian invasion.> >> > Have you ever heard of "Holodomor"? Do youWe're talking about foreign (US) interference in a sovereign state.>
really believe the> > Ukrainians long for a russian rule? That would be >>> crazy.>> >> >> 2) Biden pressed newly installed Poroshenko's government >>> to sack its> >> top prosecutor, Shokin. Biden bragged about this.> >>> >>> >> > So what? The majority of Ukrainians are still against Russia.
That's what.
The sovereign state wants to join the NATO you god damn idiot who obviously has no idea of what freedom means therefore shits on it.As a god damn idiot, I think and hope that Ukraine retains their soveriegnity and Russia backs down, and that everyone realizes
EVERYTHING that happened here, so it doesn't have to happen again.
Look, I'm not going to read any of your nonsense further. Good luck.Thank you. That will save me a great deal of time trying to reply.
-Owen
Of course they don't want Russian rule. I've never said that. You> said >> Putin wasn't challenged. I'm showing you that, from Putin's point> of
3) Suddenly, Ukraine is talking about joining NATO, the European> >> >>>> equivalent of putting Russian missiles in Cuba.> >>> >> > "Suddenly"... >>>> It is the right of every sovereign nation to express> > their wishes.> >>>> >> > Remember how "suddenly" Sweden and Finland intended to join the >>>> nato> > after Russia invaded Ukraine? Is it wrong of Sweden and Finland >>>> to want> > this?
view, a country aligned with Russia was turned into a country>
unaligned with Russia, and the Vice President at the time and now>
President was involved in it.>> Putin felt backed into a a corner, and
did a very stupid thing: he> invaded. I'm not justifying it, that can't >> be done. No good will come> of that decision.
It doesn't matter whether the USA interfered or not, it's enough that>
Even if Biden actually had NOTHING to do with the above, it doesn't> >> >>>> matter. It's easy to see why Putin has suspicions. Our CIA is an old> >>>> >> hand at creating regime changes. Can you see now why Putin thinks >>>> this> >> is a plot from the west?> >>> >> > So according to you it is >>>> the USA's and Ukraine's fault that Russia> > invaded Ukraine. Boy are >>>> you brainwashed by russian propaganda...
Putin thinks the USA did interfere. It's not like Biden's been>
secretive about it.
I haven't addressed the war, nor who is right or wrong. I'm merely>
Putin maybe paranoid and megalomaniac, but as Tom Clancy once said:> >> >>>> "Even paranoids have enemies."> >>> >> > When I was young I enjoyed >>>> playing Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six (computer> > game) with my friends... >>>> I don't know much about him, but the quote is> > stupid - especially in >>>> this context.> >> > One should be angry at the Germans for their
appeasement over the last> > years wrt to Putin, and how they won't >>>> send Leopard-Tanks because they> > are kissing Putin's butt (just as >>>> you are doing).> >> > You really have no idea what is going on in the >>>> ukraine, instead you> > sound like a conspiracy theorist.
showing you that Putin had reasons for doing what he did. I'm assuming> >> you have the capability of looking at it from Putin's point of view.>
Granted, a twisted megalomaniac's point of view, but a point of view,>
nevertheless.>> Heads of State make tremedously bad decisions when war
is involved. I'm> more interested in why they made that mistake -- it's >> obvious it's a> bad mistake. You should be wondering why a stable
situation in a> critical part of the world suddenly turned into a war.
And it's not as> simple as Putin == bad; USA/west == good.>> >> >>
Source:> >>
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-05/bidens-visits-to-ukraine-under-scrutiny>
-Owen
You are funny. Haaretz is far-left and nothing, really
nothing, suggests a rightwards trend within Haaretz.
But we all you know are paranoid.
Do you know who Gideon Levy is? You remind me of him.
Yediot Aharonot is "more middle ground" as far as I know,
but still left-leaning.
You seem to have no idea of what "right" or "left" even
means; you also seem to be preoccupied with the "far-right",
never did I hear anything from you about the "far-left" in
Israel or the USA or anywhere else.
What a joke you are... Your remarks, just as well as all the
antisemitic remarks in the recent thread about Wisse's essay,
give quite a good idea, about why Israel is trending
rightwards (which isn't neccessarily a bad thing as
you believe) and why Netanyahu is actually needed.
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 10:58:07 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
You are funny. Haaretz is far-left and nothing, reallyYou haven't been reading it for 50+ years, have you?
nothing, suggests a rightwards trend within Haaretz.
But you clearly like to pontificate about stuff you
know nothing about.
But we all you know are paranoid.Still better than schizo.
Do you know who Gideon Levy is? You remind me of him.You remind me of sauerkraut.
Yediot Aharonot is "more middle ground" as far as I know,50 years ago it was considered center-right, even more so
but still left-leaning.
than the JP. Do you read/speak/understand Hebrew? Do
you watch Israeli TV? Where do you buy your gas?
You seem to have no idea of what "right" or "left" even"Left" and "right" mean different things in different countries.
means; you also seem to be preoccupied with the "far-right",
never did I hear anything from you about the "far-left" in
Israel or the USA or anywhere else.
Do you understand the concept of "nuance"? What the US
calls "left" would barely be considered "center" in many
European countries. What the US calls "right" would be
considered lunatic extreme right in many Europen countries.
Israel tends to the opposite, all the standard political labels
tend to be "leftier" than elsewhere.
What a joke you are... Your remarks, just as well as all theCan you point out a single antisemitic remark I ever made?
antisemitic remarks in the recent thread about Wisse's essay,
Disagreeing with a bigoted retarded Canadian shtetl girl
does not equate to anti-semitism.
give quite a good idea, about why Israel is trendingDid I ever say it was "bad"? Can you point to chapter
rightwards (which isn't neccessarily a bad thing as
and verse?
you believe) and why Netanyahu is actually needed.That is highly debatable, considering that more than
half of Israel's citizens did not vote for him. Ofc you
know better than anyone else, Biden, Trump, Putin,
Xi, the Pope and Netanyahu included.
If you believe so strongly Netanyahu is "needed",
why don't you move to Israel so you can vote for
him, or whomever else you believe is "needed"?
Incidentally, the mindset you promote sounds
very much like Nazi Germany: Netanyahu (a
strong, dictatorial "leader") is "needed", just
as Adolf, Benito, Xi, Mao and Vladimir were
"needed". Different names, same concept.
I don't like to publish information gleaned
from private communications, however
since you already leaked a fragment of
our private conversation, I will make an
exception and mention you stated Ben
Gurion was an idiot. You clearly need
more Haloperidol than all the world's
supply.
dk
On 2023-01-23 15:53:31 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Montag, 23. Januar 2023 um 16:10:57 UTC+1:
I think Putin botched any serious association with China with the>
Ukraine war. When Putin met Xi, you could see the look of "Am I>
dealing with a lunatic?" on Xi's face...
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:44:32 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
On 2023-01-23 15:53:31 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Montag, 23. Januar 2023 um 16:10:57 UTC+1:
I think Putin botched any serious association with China with the>
Ukraine war. When Putin met Xi, you could see the look of "Am I>
dealing with a lunatic?" on Xi's face...
Merkel rolled her eyes when Putin made a comment to her on what was probably one of their last encounters.
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:44:32 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
On 2023-01-23 15:53:31 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Montag, 23. Januar 2023 um 16:10:57 UTC+1:
I think Putin botched any serious association with China with the>
Ukraine war. When Putin met Xi, you could see the look of "Am I>
dealing with a lunatic?" on Xi's face...
Merkel rolled her eyes when Putin made a comment to her on what was probably one of their last encounters.
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 12:08:33 AM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:44:32 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
On 2023-01-23 15:53:31 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Montag, 23. Januar 2023 um 16:10:57 UTC+1:
I think Putin botched any serious association with China with the>
Ukraine war. When Putin met Xi, you could see the look of "Am I>
dealing with a lunatic?" on Xi's face...
Merkel rolled her eyes when Putin made a comment to her on what was probably one of their last encounters.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OexlkYDoEBg
gggg gggg schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 09:12:30 UTC+1:
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 12:08:33 AM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:44:32 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
On 2023-01-23 15:53:31 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Montag, 23. Januar 2023 um 16:10:57 UTC+1:
I think Putin botched any serious association with China with the> >> Ukraine war. When Putin met Xi, you could see the look of "Am I>
dealing with a lunatic?" on Xi's face...
Do you jerk off to Merkel often?Merkel rolled her eyes when Putin made a comment to her on what was probably one of their last encounters.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OexlkYDoEBg
gggg gggg schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 09:12:30 UTC+1:
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 12:08:33 AM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:44:32 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
On 2023-01-23 15:53:31 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Montag, 23. Januar 2023 um 16:10:57 UTC+1:
I think Putin botched any serious association with China with the> >> Ukraine war. When Putin met Xi, you could see the look of "Am I>
dealing with a lunatic?" on Xi's face...
Do you jerk off to Merkel often?Merkel rolled her eyes when Putin made a comment to her on what was probably one of their last encounters.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OexlkYDoEBg
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 12:40:07 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
gggg gggg schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 09:12:30 UTC+1:
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 12:08:33 AM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:44:32 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
On 2023-01-23 15:53:31 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Montag, 23. Januar 2023 um 16:10:57 UTC+1:
I think Putin botched any serious association with China with the> >> Ukraine war. When Putin met Xi, you could see the look of "Am I> >> dealing with a lunatic?" on Xi's face...
https://giphy.com/gifs/star-trek-vulcan-mr-spock-4APAe5Vw4xHGMDo you jerk off to Merkel often?Merkel rolled her eyes when Putin made a comment to her on what was probably one of their last encounters.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OexlkYDoEBg
gggg gggg schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 09:12:30 UTC+1:
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 12:08:33 AM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:44:32 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
On 2023-01-23 15:53:31 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Montag, 23. Januar 2023 um 16:10:57 UTC+1:
I think Putin botched any serious association with China with the> >> Ukraine war. When Putin met Xi, you could see the look of "Am I>
dealing with a lunatic?" on Xi's face...
Do you jerk off to Merkel often?Merkel rolled her eyes when Putin made a comment to her on what was probably one of their last encounters.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OexlkYDoEBg
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 12:40:07 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:CgNpbWcQAzIECAAQQzIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgYIABAFEB4yBggAEAUQHjIHCAAQgAQQGDIHCAAQgAQQGDoECAAQHlDZDFi7FmCSGmgAcAB4AIABSIgBqQKSAQE1mAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=5vDQY6ilB-LxkPIPh-ubuAU&bih=657&biw=1366#imgrc=Ll1xe-0LqW8aQM
gggg gggg schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 09:12:30 UTC+1:
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 12:08:33 AM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:44:32 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
On 2023-01-23 15:53:31 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Montag, 23. Januar 2023 um 16:10:57 UTC+1:
I think Putin botched any serious association with China with the>
Ukraine war. When Putin met Xi, you could see the look of "Am I> >> dealing with a lunatic?" on Xi's face...
If we ever meet, you are gonna get one of these where the sun don't shine:Do you jerk off to Merkel often?Merkel rolled her eyes when Putin made a comment to her on what was probably one of their last encounters.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OexlkYDoEBg
https://www.google.com/search?q=vulcan+nerve+pinch&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiosM3-ruL8AhXiOEQIHYf1BlcQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=vulcan+nerve+pinch&gs_lcp=
gggg gggg schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 10:09:11 UTC+1:CgNpbWcQAzIECAAQQzIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgYIABAFEB4yBggAEAUQHjIHCAAQgAQQGDIHCAAQgAQQGDoECAAQHlDZDFi7FmCSGmgAcAB4AIABSIgBqQKSAQE1mAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=5vDQY6ilB-LxkPIPh-ubuAU&bih=657&biw=1366#imgrc=Ll1xe-0LqW8aQM
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 12:40:07 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
gggg gggg schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 09:12:30 UTC+1:
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 12:08:33 AM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:44:32 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
On 2023-01-23 15:53:31 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Montag, 23. Januar 2023 um 16:10:57 UTC+1:
I think Putin botched any serious association with China with the>
Ukraine war. When Putin met Xi, you could see the look of "Am I>
dealing with a lunatic?" on Xi's face...
If we ever meet, you are gonna get one of these where the sun don't shine:Do you jerk off to Merkel often?Merkel rolled her eyes when Putin made a comment to her on what was probably one of their last encounters.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OexlkYDoEBg
https://www.google.com/search?q=vulcan+nerve+pinch&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiosM3-ruL8AhXiOEQIHYf1BlcQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=vulcan+nerve+pinch&gs_lcp=
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/a51bba34-43d1-44b4-9df7-ff50fc293366
gggg gggg schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 09:50:11 UTC+1:
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 12:40:07 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
gggg gggg schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 09:12:30 UTC+1:
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 12:08:33 AM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:44:32 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
On 2023-01-23 15:53:31 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Montag, 23. Januar 2023 um 16:10:57 UTC+1:
I think Putin botched any serious association with China with the>
Ukraine war. When Putin met Xi, you could see the look of "Am I> >> dealing with a lunatic?" on Xi's face...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8chttps://giphy.com/gifs/star-trek-vulcan-mr-spock-4APAe5Vw4xHGMDo you jerk off to Merkel often?Merkel rolled her eyes when Putin made a comment to her on what was probably one of their last encounters.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OexlkYDoEBg
dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 08:26:39 UTC+1:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 10:58:07 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
You are funny. Haaretz is far-left and nothing, reallyYou haven't been reading it for 50+ years, have you?
nothing, suggests a rightwards trend within Haaretz.
But you clearly like to pontificate about stuff you
know nothing about.
But we all you know are paranoid.Still better than schizo.
Do you know who Gideon Levy is? You remind me of him.You remind me of sauerkraut.
Yediot Aharonot is "more middle ground" as far as I know,50 years ago it was considered center-right, even more so
but still left-leaning.
than the JP. Do you read/speak/understand Hebrew? Do
you watch Israeli TV? Where do you buy your gas?
You seem to have no idea of what "right" or "left" even"Left" and "right" mean different things in different countries.
means; you also seem to be preoccupied with the "far-right",
never did I hear anything from you about the "far-left" in
Israel or the USA or anywhere else.
Do you understand the concept of "nuance"? What the US
calls "left" would barely be considered "center" in many
European countries. What the US calls "right" would be
considered lunatic extreme right in many Europen countries.
Israel tends to the opposite, all the standard political labels
tend to be "leftier" than elsewhere.
What a joke you are... Your remarks, just as well as all theCan you point out a single antisemitic remark I ever made?
antisemitic remarks in the recent thread about Wisse's essay,
Disagreeing with a bigoted retarded Canadian shtetl girl
does not equate to anti-semitism.
give quite a good idea, about why Israel is trendingDid I ever say it was "bad"? Can you point to chapter
rightwards (which isn't neccessarily a bad thing as
and verse?
you believe) and why Netanyahu is actually needed.That is highly debatable, considering that more than
half of Israel's citizens did not vote for him. Ofc you
know better than anyone else, Biden, Trump, Putin,
Xi, the Pope and Netanyahu included.
If you believe so strongly Netanyahu is "needed",
why don't you move to Israel so you can vote for
him, or whomever else you believe is "needed"?
Incidentally, the mindset you promote sounds
very much like Nazi Germany: Netanyahu (a
strong, dictatorial "leader") is "needed", just
as Adolf, Benito, Xi, Mao and Vladimir were
"needed". Different names, same concept.
I don't like to publish information gleaned
from private communications, however
since you already leaked a fragment of
our private conversation, I will make an
exception and mention you stated Ben
Gurion was an idiot. You clearly need
more Haloperidol than all the world's
supply.
FWIW: I didn't accuse you of being an antisemite, I
think I said that you sounded like an antisemite,
which you really do wrt Netanyahu
and the "rightwing" Israeli government,
and Rabbis and what not.
Note I said "your remarks" and then
started talking about "antisemitic
remarks" from other people.
If you have any doubts about the
remarks of Andy and Henk being
antisemitic,
go to some Jewish Organization
that actually deals with defining
antisemitism and ask them.
What's remarkable is that instead of
talking tacheles/doing some straight
talking with Andy and Henk,
all you have on your mind is Marc S,
Netanyahu, and Frank Berger
and Rabbis.
You are a god damn disgrace.
If you actually wanted to do
good for Israel and the Jewish
people, you would be fighting
antisemitism,
and not the people defending
Israel from it.
Now go argue with your cats.
I have don't always have time
for your nonsense.
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 12:52:54 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
gggg gggg schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 09:50:11 UTC+1:
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 12:40:07 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
gggg gggg schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 09:12:30 UTC+1:
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 12:08:33 AM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:44:32 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
On 2023-01-23 15:53:31 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Montag, 23. Januar 2023 um 16:10:57 UTC+1:
I think Putin botched any serious association with China with the>
Ukraine war. When Putin met Xi, you could see the look of "Am I>
dealing with a lunatic?" on Xi's face...
- All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8chttps://giphy.com/gifs/star-trek-vulcan-mr-spock-4APAe5Vw4xHGMDo you jerk off to Merkel often?Merkel rolled her eyes when Putin made a comment to her on what was probably one of their last encounters.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OexlkYDoEBg
Douglas Adams ("The Salmon of Doubt")
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 12:03:26 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 08:26:39 UTC+1:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 10:58:07 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
You are funny. Haaretz is far-left and nothing, reallyYou haven't been reading it for 50+ years, have you?
nothing, suggests a rightwards trend within Haaretz.
But you clearly like to pontificate about stuff you
know nothing about.
But we all you know are paranoid.Still better than schizo.
Do you know who Gideon Levy is? You remind me of him.You remind me of sauerkraut.
Yediot Aharonot is "more middle ground" as far as I know,50 years ago it was considered center-right, even more so
but still left-leaning.
than the JP. Do you read/speak/understand Hebrew? Do
you watch Israeli TV? Where do you buy your gas?
You seem to have no idea of what "right" or "left" even"Left" and "right" mean different things in different countries.
means; you also seem to be preoccupied with the "far-right",
never did I hear anything from you about the "far-left" in
Israel or the USA or anywhere else.
Do you understand the concept of "nuance"? What the US
calls "left" would barely be considered "center" in many
European countries. What the US calls "right" would be
considered lunatic extreme right in many Europen countries.
Israel tends to the opposite, all the standard political labels
tend to be "leftier" than elsewhere.
What a joke you are... Your remarks, just as well as all the antisemitic remarks in the recent thread about Wisse's essay,Can you point out a single antisemitic remark I ever made?
Disagreeing with a bigoted retarded Canadian shtetl girl
does not equate to anti-semitism.
give quite a good idea, about why Israel is trendingDid I ever say it was "bad"? Can you point to chapter
rightwards (which isn't neccessarily a bad thing as
and verse?
you believe) and why Netanyahu is actually needed.That is highly debatable, considering that more than
half of Israel's citizens did not vote for him. Ofc you
know better than anyone else, Biden, Trump, Putin,
Xi, the Pope and Netanyahu included.
If you believe so strongly Netanyahu is "needed",
why don't you move to Israel so you can vote for
him, or whomever else you believe is "needed"?
Incidentally, the mindset you promote sounds
very much like Nazi Germany: Netanyahu (a
strong, dictatorial "leader") is "needed", just
as Adolf, Benito, Xi, Mao and Vladimir were
"needed". Different names, same concept.
I don't like to publish information gleaned
from private communications, however
since you already leaked a fragment of
our private conversation, I will make an
exception and mention you stated Ben
Gurion was an idiot. You clearly need
more Haloperidol than all the world's
supply.
FWIW: I didn't accuse you of being an antisemite, IAn exceedingly fine distinction?
think I said that you sounded like an antisemite,
which you really do wrt NetanyahuAre you implying more than half of
Israel's voters who did not vote for
him are anti-semites? Is one not
allowed to dislike an Israel PM
without being called "anti-semite"?
and the "rightwing" Israeli government,So in your view one is not allowed to
use descriptive language without
being accused of vile intentions?
One trait you share with Herman is
that you read intent between lines,
while completely ignoring the text.
and Rabbis and what not.So what? How is disliking the clergy
anti-semitic? Are we all expected to
lick their boots and suck up to them
in order to prove we are good Jews?
Geez!
Note I said "your remarks" and thenAn exceedingly fine distinction.
started talking about "antisemitic
remarks" from other people.
If you have any doubts about theThere is certainly a case to be made
remarks of Andy and Henk being
antisemitic,
that Andy, Henk, Herman and others
have occasionally stated opinions
that can be described as social or
cultural anti-semitism. I intend to
address the matter in a separate
post.
go to some Jewish OrganizationDo you really think the son of
that actually deals with defining
antisemitism and ask them.
death camp survivors needs
to be "educated" about anti-
semitism by some fucking
"organization"? This would be
exceedingly condescending
coming from anyone. Coming
from a kraut it is downright
insulting.
I request an immediate apology.
What's remarkable is that instead ofDon't worry, Andy, Henk and I can
talking tacheles/doing some straight
talking with Andy and Henk,
settle things without your help.
all you have on your mind is Marc S,How so? You are relentlessly
attacking me for not living up
to your notions of Iraeliness
and Jewishness. Why are you
so obsessed with Israeli and
Jewish matters?
Netanyahu, and Frank BergerStating one's disagreement
and Rabbis.
about various matters does
not amount to "obsession".
You are a god damn disgrace.?!? To whom ?!?
If you actually wanted to doYou don't think I am?
good for Israel and the Jewish
people, you would be fighting
antisemitism,
and not the people defendingROTFL! Such a great defender.
Israel from it.
You are completely deranged
to believe anyone who does
not like Netanyahu is against
Israel. Taking this argument
at face value would imply
more than half of Israel's
population are anti-semites.
Now go argue with your cats.One never argues with one's cats.
I have don't always have timeROTFL !!!
for your nonsense.
dk
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 12:03:26 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 08:26:39 UTC+1:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 10:58:07 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
You are funny. Haaretz is far-left and nothing, reallyYou haven't been reading it for 50+ years, have you?
nothing, suggests a rightwards trend within Haaretz.
But you clearly like to pontificate about stuff you
know nothing about.
But we all you know are paranoid.Still better than schizo.
Do you know who Gideon Levy is? You remind me of him.You remind me of sauerkraut.
Yediot Aharonot is "more middle ground" as far as I know,50 years ago it was considered center-right, even more so
but still left-leaning.
than the JP. Do you read/speak/understand Hebrew? Do
you watch Israeli TV? Where do you buy your gas?
You seem to have no idea of what "right" or "left" even"Left" and "right" mean different things in different countries.
means; you also seem to be preoccupied with the "far-right",
never did I hear anything from you about the "far-left" in
Israel or the USA or anywhere else.
Do you understand the concept of "nuance"? What the US
calls "left" would barely be considered "center" in many
European countries. What the US calls "right" would be
considered lunatic extreme right in many Europen countries.
Israel tends to the opposite, all the standard political labels
tend to be "leftier" than elsewhere.
What a joke you are... Your remarks, just as well as all the antisemitic remarks in the recent thread about Wisse's essay,Can you point out a single antisemitic remark I ever made?
Disagreeing with a bigoted retarded Canadian shtetl girl
does not equate to anti-semitism.
give quite a good idea, about why Israel is trendingDid I ever say it was "bad"? Can you point to chapter
rightwards (which isn't neccessarily a bad thing as
and verse?
you believe) and why Netanyahu is actually needed.That is highly debatable, considering that more than
half of Israel's citizens did not vote for him. Ofc you
know better than anyone else, Biden, Trump, Putin,
Xi, the Pope and Netanyahu included.
If you believe so strongly Netanyahu is "needed",
why don't you move to Israel so you can vote for
him, or whomever else you believe is "needed"?
Incidentally, the mindset you promote sounds
very much like Nazi Germany: Netanyahu (a
strong, dictatorial "leader") is "needed", just
as Adolf, Benito, Xi, Mao and Vladimir were
"needed". Different names, same concept.
I don't like to publish information gleaned
from private communications, however
since you already leaked a fragment of
our private conversation, I will make an
exception and mention you stated Ben
Gurion was an idiot. You clearly need
more Haloperidol than all the world's
supply.
FWIW: I didn't accuse you of being an antisemite, IAn exceedingly fine distinction?
think I said that you sounded like an antisemite,
which you really do wrt NetanyahuAre you implying more than half of
Israel's voters who did not vote for
him are anti-semites? Is one not
allowed to dislike an Israel PM
without being called "anti-semite"?
and the "rightwing" Israeli government,So in your view one is not allowed to
use descriptive language without
being accused of vile intentions?
One trait you share with Herman is
that you read intent between lines,
while completely ignoring the text.
and Rabbis and what not.So what? How is disliking the clergy
anti-semitic? Are we all expected to
lick their boots and suck up to them
in order to prove we are good Jews?
Geez!
Note I said "your remarks" and thenAn exceedingly fine distinction.
started talking about "antisemitic
remarks" from other people.
If you have any doubts about theThere is certainly a case to be made
remarks of Andy and Henk being
antisemitic,
that Andy, Henk, Herman and others
have occasionally stated opinions
that can be described as social or
cultural anti-semitism. I intend to
address the matter in a separate
post.
go to some Jewish OrganizationDo you really think the son of
that actually deals with defining
antisemitism and ask them.
death camp survivors needs
to be "educated" about anti-
semitism by some fucking
"organization"? This would be
exceedingly condescending
coming from anyone. Coming
from a kraut it is downright
insulting.
I request an immediate apology.
What's remarkable is that instead ofDon't worry, Andy, Henk and I can
talking tacheles/doing some straight
talking with Andy and Henk,
settle things without your help.
all you have on your mind is Marc S,How so? You are relentlessly
attacking me for not living up
to your notions of Iraeliness
and Jewishness. Why are you
so obsessed with Israeli and
Jewish matters?
Netanyahu, and Frank BergerStating one's disagreement
and Rabbis.
about various matters does
not amount to "obsession".
You are a god damn disgrace.?!? To whom ?!?
If you actually wanted to doYou don't think I am?
good for Israel and the Jewish
people, you would be fighting
antisemitism,
and not the people defendingROTFL! Such a great defender.
Israel from it.
You are completely deranged
to believe anyone who does
not like Netanyahu is against
Israel. Taking this argument
at face value would imply
more than half of Israel's
population are anti-semites.
Now go argue with your cats.One never argues with one's cats.
I have don't always have timeROTFL !!!
for your nonsense.
dk
There is certainly a case to be made
that Andy, Henk, Herman and others
have occasionally stated opinions
that can be described as social or
cultural anti-semitism. I intend to
address the matter in a separate
post.
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Dienstag, 24. Januar 2023 um 20:36:54 UTC+1:
Simply by calling it "immature," you are finding an "excuse" for his>
behavior. I think my reasons for him doing what he did are more>
accurate than yours. And there is a difference between "excusing">
someone's behavior and seeing a "reason" for that behavior.
You know, when I wrote "immature" yesterday, I thought that this wasn't really approriate, because it is sort of an euphemism wrt to Putin's behaviour. I shouldn't have used this word, I should have sticked to "paranoid".
As every reasonable person would be able to tell, I am not "excusing" anything, I am "criticisng" him for being "immature"; while you are
coming up with explanations that _seemingly_ make Putin's actions
plausible - completely deranged on your part.
Are you saying the US should continue to be in the regime change>
If the Ukraine asks to be included into the NATO, it's fine as well,> >
just as it is for Finland and Sweden. And if Putin wants to, like any>
reasonably would like to, he can join the Nato as well. But since herights.> >> > And instead of criticising the hell out of Russia and how
megalomaniac and paranoid, he won't and further abuse human
Europe -> > except for Poland and some other countries which I can't
think of right> > now, and ofc the USA outside of Europe - you
rationalise Putin's> > invasion of the Ukraine (CIA regime change, and
what not - as if regime> > changes would automatically always be
something bad).
business? Why wouldn't Putin see this as another attempt at regime>
change? His regime change.
You idiot, putin is trying a regiem change in russia
What I'm saying is, and this isn't really hard to understand:
The people of Ukraine want to be free from Russia, they want a
pro-western government and they want to be included in the NATO - all
for obvious reasons (human rights, higher living standards, military alliances etc). Ofc the west is not perfect in advancing human rights
and often failed miserably, but compare the west to Russia or China etc.
"If" the USA helped the Ukrainian' achieve a regime change that the
people endorsed, I don't see any problem with it, as opposed to a
US-hating idiot like you. It should also be noted that Ukraine was not
a "regime" under the pro-western government. As I have made clear
multiple times already, the Ukrainains are fighting against Russia and
are in support of a pro-western Government. So it's actually russia
that is attempting a regime change that is contrary to the principles
of the people. If the west wants to stand by its principles and values,
we have to help Ukraine fight for freedom.
Imagine you were living in the Ukraine and get invaded by Russians,
wouldn't you want the west to help you? Do you want to live under
Russian rule?
It's all so obvious. I'm not going to read any further - you are
completely deranged.
Op woensdag 25 januari 2023 om 10:36:10 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
There is certainly a case to be madeDan, I just stumbled upon this. I don't think we should do as if it weren't written. Do you want to deal with it now or at a later time?
that Andy, Henk, Herman and others
have occasionally stated opinions
that can be described as social or
cultural anti-semitism. I intend to
address the matter in a separate
post.
Henk
On 2023-01-25 07:48:22 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Dienstag, 24. Januar 2023 um 20:36:54 UTC+1:
Simply by calling it "immature," you are finding an "excuse" for his>
behavior. I think my reasons for him doing what he did are more>
accurate than yours. And there is a difference between "excusing">
someone's behavior and seeing a "reason" for that behavior.
You know, when I wrote "immature" yesterday, I thought that this wasn't really approriate, because it is sort of an euphemism wrt to Putin's behaviour. I shouldn't have used this word, I should have sticked to "paranoid".Your replacement word is still an "excuse."
As every reasonable person would be able to tell, I am not "excusing" anything, I am "criticisng" him for being "immature"; while you areI suppose it is a derangement to try to find someone's motivations for
coming up with explanations that _seemingly_ make Putin's actions plausible - completely deranged on your part.
a stupid thing they did?
Are you saying the US should continue to be in the regime change>
If the Ukraine asks to be included into the NATO, it's fine as well,> > >>> just as it is for Finland and Sweden. And if Putin wants to, like any> >>> > reasonably would like to, he can join the Nato as well. But since he >>> is> > megalomaniac and paranoid, he won't and further abuse human
rights.> >> > And instead of criticising the hell out of Russia and how >>> Europe -> > except for Poland and some other countries which I can't
think of right> > now, and ofc the USA outside of Europe - you
rationalise Putin's> > invasion of the Ukraine (CIA regime change, and >>> what not - as if regime> > changes would automatically always be
something bad).
business? Why wouldn't Putin see this as another attempt at regime>
change? His regime change.
You idiot, putin is trying a regiem change in russiaThis idiot thinks you meant to say Ukraine.
What I'm saying is, and this isn't really hard to understand:
The people of Ukraine want to be free from Russia, they want a
pro-western government and they want to be included in the NATO - all
for obvious reasons (human rights, higher living standards, military alliances etc). Ofc the west is not perfect in advancing human rights
and often failed miserably, but compare the west to Russia or China etc.
"If" the USA helped the Ukrainian' achieve a regime change that the
people endorsed, I don't see any problem with it, as opposed to a US-hating idiot like you. It should also be noted that Ukraine was not
a "regime" under the pro-western government. As I have made clear
multiple times already, the Ukrainains are fighting against Russia and
are in support of a pro-western Government. So it's actually russia
that is attempting a regime change that is contrary to the principles
of the people. If the west wants to stand by its principles and values,
we have to help Ukraine fight for freedom.
Imagine you were living in the Ukraine and get invaded by Russians, wouldn't you want the west to help you? Do you want to live underYou miss the point completely. Let me simplify. It is a good thing
Russian rule?
that Ukraine is standing up to the Russians. I hope the Russians fail miserably and retreat like they did in Afghanistan. OTOH, it is a bad
thing if the US purposefully tried to egg on Russian into going to war.
War is a bad thing, and, for the first time in over 70 years, people
are waving nukes about like they intend to use them. We have a
President exhibiting senility whose hands are knee deep involved in interference in this country, selling tanks and what not against a
nuclear power.
Now tell us again how good this war is.
It's all so obvious. I'm not going to read any further - you are completely deranged.You said that last time. Do you have a reading disability which
requires you to stop at reading the midway of every post?
-Owen
Op woensdag 25 januari 2023 om 10:36:10 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
There is certainly a case to be madeDan, I just stumbled upon this. I don't think we should do as if it weren't written. Do you want to deal with it now or at a later time?
that Andy, Henk, Herman and others
have occasionally stated opinions
that can be described as social or
cultural anti-semitism. I intend to
address the matter in a separate
post.
Henk
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 16:34:59 UTC+1:
On 2023-01-25 07:48:22 +0000, Marc S said:
I suppose it is a derangement to try to find someone's motivations for>
As every reasonable person would be able to tell, I am not "excusing">
anything, I am "criticisng" him for being "immature"; while you are>plausible - completely deranged on your part.
coming up with explanations that _seemingly_ make Putin's actions> >
a stupid thing they did?
I believe you think what Putin did was wrong, but, what the fuck does
the USA have to do with him marching into Ukraine? As I already
explained, the USA does not pose a threat to him, neither does Europe
or the Ukraine.
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 8:57:30 AM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
On 2023-01-25 16:39:10 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 16:34:59 UTC+1:
On 2023-01-25 07:48:22 +0000, Marc S said:
I suppose it is a derangement to try to find someone's motivations for> >> a stupid thing they did?
As every reasonable person would be able to tell, I am not "excusing"> >>> > anything, I am "criticisng" him for being "immature"; while you are> >>> > coming up with explanations that _seemingly_ make Putin's actions> > >>> plausible - completely deranged on your part.
I believe you think what Putin did was wrong, but, what the fuck does the USA have to do with him marching into Ukraine? As I already explained, the USA does not pose a threat to him, neither does EuropeThe USA does not pose a threat to Putin? Do you really think that?
or the Ukraine.
Then you really haven't thought about this at all. The US has been a threat to Russia and the Soviet Union since 1945. The President of the United States (who could be described as unstable) stated that "For God’s sake, this man must not remain in power." Just who did he think would put Putin out of power?
You think this is all happening in a vacuum? The world is now closer
to nuclear war than at any other time, including the Cuban Missile
crisis. This isn't a football game, with a winner and a loser...
(2023 Y. upload):
"''So We Are Facing A Nuclear War in 2023'' / Joe Rogan"
On 2023-01-25 16:39:10 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 16:34:59 UTC+1:
On 2023-01-25 07:48:22 +0000, Marc S said:
I suppose it is a derangement to try to find someone's motivations for> >> a stupid thing they did?
As every reasonable person would be able to tell, I am not "excusing"> >>> > anything, I am "criticisng" him for being "immature"; while you are> >>> > coming up with explanations that _seemingly_ make Putin's actions> > >>> plausible - completely deranged on your part.
I believe you think what Putin did was wrong, but, what the fuck doesThe USA does not pose a threat to Putin? Do you really think that?
the USA have to do with him marching into Ukraine? As I already
explained, the USA does not pose a threat to him, neither does Europe
or the Ukraine.
Then you really haven't thought about this at all. The US has been a
threat to Russia and the Soviet Union since 1945. The President of the United States (who could be described as unstable) stated that "For
God’s sake, this man must not remain in power." Just who did he think would put Putin out of power?
You think this is all happening in a vacuum? The world is now closer
to nuclear war than at any other time, including the Cuban Missile
crisis. This isn't a football game, with a winner and a loser...
If I ever thought that classical music had a civilizing influence on people...
gggg gggg schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 09:12:30 UTC+1:
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 12:08:33 AM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:44:32 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
On 2023-01-23 15:53:31 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Montag, 23. Januar 2023 um 16:10:57 UTC+1:
I think Putin botched any serious association with China with the> >> Ukraine war. When Putin met Xi, you could see the look of "Am I>
dealing with a lunatic?" on Xi's face...
Do you jerk off to Merkel often?Merkel rolled her eyes when Putin made a comment to her on what was probably one of their last encounters.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OexlkYDoEBg
On Wednesday, 25 January 2023 at 17:18:39 UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
If I ever thought that classical music had a civilizing influence on people...It's not classical music, it's the Internet.
hvt...@xs4all.nl schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 16:50:35 UTC+1:trouble doing so, or maybe he is too nice while doing so).
Op woensdag 25 januari 2023 om 10:36:10 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
There is certainly a case to be madeDan, I just stumbled upon this. I don't think we should do as if it weren't written. Do you want to deal with it now or at a later time?
that Andy, Henk, Herman and others
have occasionally stated opinions
that can be described as social or
cultural anti-semitism. I intend to
address the matter in a separate
post.
HenkIt will be of no use anyway with you, and I don't even think Dan really understands it himself to explain it to you. He may feel it, but I'm not sure if he could explain why specific remarks of yours were antisemitic (even Frank seems to have a bit of
If you want to be honest, take your remarks from that thread to a Jewish organization and ask them - but no, you will not, you will just continue claiming that you are no antisemite, like a child, without having understood anything.
On 2023-01-25 16:39:10 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 16:34:59 UTC+1:
On 2023-01-25 07:48:22 +0000, Marc S said:
I suppose it is a derangement to try to find someone's motivations for> >> a stupid thing they did?
As every reasonable person would be able to tell, I am not "excusing"> >>> > anything, I am "criticisng" him for being "immature"; while you are> >>> > coming up with explanations that _seemingly_ make Putin's actions> > >>> plausible - completely deranged on your part.
I believe you think what Putin did was wrong, but, what the fuck doesThe USA does not pose a threat to Putin? Do you really think that?
the USA have to do with him marching into Ukraine? As I already
explained, the USA does not pose a threat to him, neither does Europe
or the Ukraine.
Then you really haven't thought about this at all. The US has been a
threat to Russia and the Soviet Union since 1945. The President of the United States (who could be described as unstable) stated that "For
God’s sake, this man must not remain in power." Just who did he think would put Putin out of power?
You think this is all happening in a vacuum? The world is now closer
to nuclear war than at any other time, including the Cuban Missile
crisis. This isn't a football game, with a winner and a loser.
I'll keep my responses short, as you stated you clearly you do not have
the attention span to read until the end.
-Owen
On Wednesday, 25 January 2023 at 15:50:35 UTC, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Op woensdag 25 januari 2023 om 10:36:10 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
There is certainly a case to be madeDan, I just stumbled upon this. I don't think we should do as if it weren't written. Do you want to deal with it now or at a later time?
that Andy, Henk, Herman and others
have occasionally stated opinions
that can be described as social or
cultural anti-semitism. I intend to
address the matter in a separate
post.
Henk
As for me, I've said many times that calling anything that criticises the actions of the state of Israel "antisemitism" is nonsense and should be ignored.
You are aware, Andy, are you not, that the accusation that Jews always claim any criticism of Israel is antisemitic or based on antisemitism is itself a false statement used by real antisemites. Be careful whose speech yours resembles. Making noaccusations.
On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 18:46:14 UTC, gggg gggg wrote:of their Hindu Rashtra project. A few discerning voices ask – why impose such a blackout if you are not guilty, have formidable power, and supposedly no one to be afraid of?
For in every little act of censorship like this one, Modi and his friends come out looking like bigger fascists, only end up confirming what they refute – that they will brazenly extinguish the tiniest flickers of dissent or questioning in the way
It seems to be a widespread policy today for governments to try to control
1. The media
2. The judiciary
Moves to control the judiciary by Netanyahu and many other leaders and parties like the Republicans have become commonplace, hence the understandable media attention on "democracy in jeopardy".
On Wednesday, 25 January 2023 at 18:45:05 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:accusations.
You are aware, Andy, are you not, that the accusation that Jews always claim any criticism of Israel is antisemitic or based on antisemitism is itself a false statement used by real antisemites. Be careful whose speech yours resembles. Making no
I'm afraid I don't follow you here, Frank. Anyone can criticise the actions of the state of Israel - Jews or non-Jews. Like they can criticise the actions of any other state. I have no idea what this "resembles"..... It's quite straightforward, surely?
On 1/25/2023 1:50 PM, Andy Evans wrote:accusations.
On Wednesday, 25 January 2023 at 18:45:05 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:
You are aware, Andy, are you not, that the accusation that Jews always claim any criticism of Israel is antisemitic or based on antisemitism is itself a false statement used by real antisemites. Be careful whose speech yours resembles. Making no
surely?I'm afraid I don't follow you here, Frank. Anyone can criticise the actions of the state of Israel - Jews or non-Jews. Like they can criticise the actions of any other state. I have no idea what this "resembles"..... It's quite straightforward,
My comment is complete clear. I can't think how to make it clearer. Perhaps an example:
A real antisemite (you know there really are such people, right?) criticizes Israel (because he is an antisemite and will criticize Israel about anything and everything).
Someone calls him an antisemite, and he responds, "Oh you Jews always say any criticism of Israel is antisemitic."
Get it?
Antisemites or if you prefer anti-Zionists, will tend to find fault with Israel reflexively.
For example, blasting proposed judicial reform as ANTI DEMOCRATIC and fascist without even knowing what the status quo is or what the proposals change.
An other good one is criticizing the current government's policy vis a vis the Palestinians when Labor governments had virtually the same policies.
My comment is complete clear. I can't think how to make it clearer. Perhaps an example:
A real antisemite (you know there really are such people, right?) criticizes Israel (because he is an antisemite and will criticize Israel about anything and everything).
Someone calls him an antisemite, and he responds, "Oh you Jews always say any criticism of Israel is antisemitic."
Get it?
On Wednesday, 25 January 2023 at 19:05:07 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:
My comment is complete clear. I can't think how to make it clearer. Perhaps an example:
A real antisemite (you know there really are such people, right?) criticizes Israel (because he is an antisemite and will criticize Israel about anything and everything).
That doesn't follow. It's a complete non sequitor. The ACTIONS of the state of Israel are not "Israel" any more than the policies of the Tory government are "The United Kingdom".
Someone calls him an antisemite, and he responds, "Oh you Jews always say any criticism of Israel is antisemitic."
Get it?
I didn't say that at all. You are making all this up.
gggg gggg schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 09:12:30 UTC+1:
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 12:08:33 AM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:44:32 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
On 2023-01-23 15:53:31 +0000, Marc S said:
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Montag, 23. Januar 2023 um 16:10:57 UTC+1:
I think Putin botched any serious association with China with the> >> Ukraine war. When Putin met Xi, you could see the look of "Am I>
dealing with a lunatic?" on Xi's face...
Do you jerk off to Merkel often?Merkel rolled her eyes when Putin made a comment to her on what was probably one of their last encounters.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OexlkYDoEBg
Owen Hartnett schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 17:57:30 UTC+1:
On 2023-01-25 16:39:10 +0000, Marc S said:>> > Owen Hartnett schrieb amIn the mind of a lunatic (like yours) the USA obviously does. As I have already explained in this thread: If Russia were peace-loving and
Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 16:34:59 UTC+1:> >> On 2023-01-25 07:48:22
+0000, Marc S said:>> >> >>>> >>> As every reasonable person would be
able to tell, I am not "excusing">> >>> > anything, I am "criticisng"
him for being "immature"; while you are>> >>> > coming up with
explanations that _seemingly_ make Putin's actions> >> >>> plausible -
completely deranged on your part.> >> I suppose it is a derangement to
try to find someone's motivations for>> >> a stupid thing they did?> >>
I believe you think what Putin did was wrong, but, what the fuckdoes> > the USA have to do with him marching into Ukraine? As I
already> > explained, the USA does not pose a threat to him, neither
does Europe> > or the Ukraine.
The USA does not pose a threat to Putin? Do you really think that?
caring for human rights, they could simply join the NATO as well.
In reality, it's ofc Putin that does pose a threat to the peace of the
world, not the USA like you are making it out to be in your deluded
mind. Go kiss Putin's butt you god damn ignorant. People are dying in
the Ukraine because of Putin, not because of the USA, we need to help
them - get this in your fucking head.
If you were civilised in any form or way, I wouldn't be having the
discussion I am having with you. Have fun reading the LA Times.
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 10:26:06 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:uses Russian military equipment but at the same time met with Boris Johnson over trade talks. Often called "on the fence" it hasn't declared for any side. It's wary of Chinese influence in Asia, but geographically it is far from the USA and has to
Where India stands in terms of alignment is interesting. It has been a "non-aligned country" when that meant anything. The NAM still exists and meets, but it has very little influence. India abstained from the UN vote on Ukraine in January 2022. It
According to this recent article:postings on and of the documentary, the irony of the moment is almost lost.
- Slowly but surely, much in the style of Germany under Hitler in the 1930s, the Modi government over two elected terms has nearly the entire Indian media in its pocket. So much so that when the government has ordered taking down of tweets and youtube
For in every little act of censorship like this one, Modi and his friends come out looking like bigger fascists, only end up confirming what they refute – that they will brazenly extinguish the tiniest flickers of dissent or questioning in the way oftheir Hindu Rashtra project.
A few discerning voices ask – why impose such a blackout if you are not guilty, have formidable power, and supposedly no one to be afraid of?
https://countercurrents.org/2023/01/the-unanswered-modi-question-in-bbcs-documentary-that-provokes-us-to-come-out-and-defend-humanity/
You have on more than one occasion pointed out that criticizing actions of the government of Israel is not antisemitic. That is true.
Unfortunately this is happening in many, many countries. We need good journalists more than ever, but their job becomes more and more dangerous as the world plunges into a kind of darkness of the truth.
Journalism is overrated. The official media are part of the establishment. Our former queen called it a parrot circuit. She shouldn't have said that, of course... > Henk
On Thursday, 26 January 2023 at 06:31:32 UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
Unfortunately this is happening in many, many countries. We need good journalists more than ever, but their job becomes more and more dangerous as the world plunges into a kind of darkness of the truth.
youtube postings on and of the documentary, the irony of the moment is almost lost.- Slowly but surely, much in the style of Germany under Hitler in the 1930s, the Modi government over two elected terms has nearly the entire Indian media in its pocket. So much so that when the government has ordered taking down of tweets and
Yes, a lot of the official media are part of the establishment. In my country the BBC has a strong NATO bias. All one can do is identify the particular bias and filter your interpretation accordingly. And use parallel sources. I flip between Al Jazeeraand Euronews most of the time to get different perspectives.
On Thursday, 26 January 2023 at 11:02:17 UTC, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:and Euronews most of the time to get different perspectives.
Unfortunately this is happening in many, many countries. We need good journalists more than ever, but their job becomes more and more dangerous as the world plunges into a kind of darkness of the truth.
Journalism is overrated. The official media are part of the establishment. Our former queen called it a parrot circuit. She shouldn't have said that, of course... > Henk
Yes, a lot of the official media are part of the establishment. In my country the BBC has a strong NATO bias. All one can do is identify the particular bias and filter your interpretation accordingly. And use parallel sources. I flip between Al Jazeera
Op donderdag 26 januari 2023 om 12:08:50 UTC+1 schreef Andy Evans:Jazeera and Euronews most of the time to get different perspectives.
Yes, a lot of the official media are part of the establishment. In my country the BBC has a strong NATO bias. All one can do is identify the particular bias and filter your interpretation accordingly. And use parallel sources. I flip between Al
I agree with you about Al Jazeera. It is refreshing.
Op donderdag 26 januari 2023 om 12:08:50 UTC+1 schreef Andy Evans:Jazeera and Euronews most of the time to get different perspectives.
Yes, a lot of the official media are part of the establishment. In my country the BBC has a strong NATO bias. All one can do is identify the particular bias and filter your interpretation accordingly. And use parallel sources. I flip between Al
I agree with you about Al Jazeera. It is refreshing.
No one can make you talk about anything you don't want to talk about. You posted 13 times in this OT thread started by Owen. My entry was prompted by YOUR accusing the Netanyahu government of trying to control the courts. When challenged on that (twice)you refused to discuss it further. Hit and Run Andy.
Op donderdag 26 januari 2023 om 12:08:50 UTC+1 schreef Andy Evans:Jazeera and Euronews most of the time to get different perspectives.
Yes, a lot of the official media are part of the establishment. In my country the BBC has a strong NATO bias. All one can do is identify the particular bias and filter your interpretation accordingly. And use parallel sources. I flip between Al
I agree with you about Al Jazeera. It is refreshing.
Could it be that this escaped you?
https://www.jns.org/jewish-life-to-blossom-in-qatar/
Henk
Yes it can - very informative. But not very up-to-the-minute.
Is YT available to citizens in Russia, India and China? I don't know much about how countries "control" the internet.I don't know about TV coverage either - does China get Japanese TV stations? Does N.Korea get TV coverage from S.Korea?
On Thursday, 26 January 2023 at 11:02:17 UTC, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Unfortunately this is happening in many, many countries. We need good journalists more than ever, but their job becomes more and more dangerous as the world plunges into a kind of darkness of the truth.
Journalism is overrated. The official media are part of the establishment. Our former queen called it a parrot circuit. She shouldn't have said that, of course... > Henk
Yes, a lot of the official media are part of the establishment...
Op donderdag 26 januari 2023 om 12:08:50 UTC+1 schreef Andy Evans:Jazeera and Euronews most of the time to get different perspectives.
Yes, a lot of the official media are part of the establishment. In my country the BBC has a strong NATO bias. All one can do is identify the particular bias and filter your interpretation accordingly. And use parallel sources. I flip between Al
I agree with you about Al Jazeera. It is refreshing. YT can also be informative. The sheer number of biased accounts gives a more reliable picture of a situation. Isn't there a maxim that says a larger number of witnesses gives a better picture of asituation?
Yet, I still follow the official media too. I know what war is and I don't like what I see and hear these days. Western politicians far too easily support one of the most corrupt nations in the world with no idea where it will end.
<g> Never met someone like you before, Marc. I really wish you luck. You'll need it, lots of it. This is a goodbye.
Henk
Is YT available to citizens in Russia,
India and China?
<g> Never met someone like you before, Marc.
I really wish you luck. You'll
need it, lots of it.
On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 9:04:22 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
<g> Never met someone like you before, Marc.
I really wish you luck. You'll"Luck" won't help him a bit.
need it, lots of it.
He needs more haloperidol.
dk
On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 4:21:52 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:Jazeera and Euronews most of the time to get different perspectives.
Op donderdag 26 januari 2023 om 12:08:50 UTC+1 schreef Andy Evans:
Yes, a lot of the official media are part of the establishment. In my country the BBC has a strong NATO bias. All one can do is identify the particular bias and filter your interpretation accordingly. And use parallel sources. I flip between Al
situation?I agree with you about Al Jazeera. It is refreshing. YT can also be informative. The sheer number of biased accounts gives a more reliable picture of a situation. Isn't there a maxim that says a larger number of witnesses gives a better picture of a
and who are good at masking, at blending, I should say, their personal interests with vague public ideals.Yet, I still follow the official media too. I know what war is and I don't like what I see and hear these days. Western politicians far too easily support one of the most corrupt nations in the world with no idea where it will end.Concerning those going into politics, read Lampedusa's 1958 novel THE LEOPARD whose main character says:
- What would the Senate do with me, an inexperienced legislator who lacks the faculty of self-deception, essential requisite for anyone wanting to guide others....Now you need young men, bright young men, with minds asking ‘how’ rather than ‘why,
On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 9:04:22 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
<g> Never met someone like you before, Marc.
I really wish you luck. You'll"Luck" won't help him a bit.
need it, lots of it.
He needs more haloperidol.
"Politicians Should Wear Sponsor Jackets So We Know Who Owns Them"
dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Donnerstag, 26. Januar 2023 um 18:25:15 UTC+1:
On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 9:04:22 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
<g> Never met someone like you before, Marc.
I really wish you luck. You'll"Luck" won't help him a bit.
need it, lots of it.
He needs more haloperidol.
Stop hating yourself
and projecting on me.
On Thursday, 26 January 2023 at 17:55:05 UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
"Politicians Should Wear Sponsor
Jackets So We Know Who Owns
Them"
How many jackets can you wear at
once?
On Thursday, 26 January 2023 at 17:55:05 UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
"Politicians Should Wear Sponsor
Jackets So We Know Who Owns
Them"
How many jackets can you wear at
once?
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 12:03:26 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 08:26:39 UTC+1:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 10:58:07 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
You are funny. Haaretz is far-left and nothing, reallyYou haven't been reading it for 50+ years, have you?
nothing, suggests a rightwards trend within Haaretz.
But you clearly like to pontificate about stuff you
know nothing about.
But we all you know are paranoid.Still better than schizo.
Do you know who Gideon Levy is? You remind me of him.You remind me of sauerkraut.
Yediot Aharonot is "more middle ground" as far as I know,50 years ago it was considered center-right, even more so
but still left-leaning.
than the JP. Do you read/speak/understand Hebrew? Do
you watch Israeli TV? Where do you buy your gas?
You seem to have no idea of what "right" or "left" even"Left" and "right" mean different things in different countries.
means; you also seem to be preoccupied with the "far-right",
never did I hear anything from you about the "far-left" in
Israel or the USA or anywhere else.
Do you understand the concept of "nuance"? What the US
calls "left" would barely be considered "center" in many
European countries. What the US calls "right" would be
considered lunatic extreme right in many Europen countries.
Israel tends to the opposite, all the standard political labels
tend to be "leftier" than elsewhere.
What a joke you are... Your remarks, just as well as all the antisemitic remarks in the recent thread about Wisse's essay,Can you point out a single antisemitic remark I ever made?
Disagreeing with a bigoted retarded Canadian shtetl girl
does not equate to anti-semitism.
give quite a good idea, about why Israel is trendingDid I ever say it was "bad"? Can you point to chapter
rightwards (which isn't neccessarily a bad thing as
and verse?
you believe) and why Netanyahu is actually needed.That is highly debatable, considering that more than
half of Israel's citizens did not vote for him. Ofc you
know better than anyone else, Biden, Trump, Putin,
Xi, the Pope and Netanyahu included.
If you believe so strongly Netanyahu is "needed",
why don't you move to Israel so you can vote for
him, or whomever else you believe is "needed"?
Incidentally, the mindset you promote sounds
very much like Nazi Germany: Netanyahu (a
strong, dictatorial "leader") is "needed", just
as Adolf, Benito, Xi, Mao and Vladimir were
"needed". Different names, same concept.
I don't like to publish information gleaned
from private communications, however
since you already leaked a fragment of
our private conversation, I will make an
exception and mention you stated Ben
Gurion was an idiot. You clearly need
more Haloperidol than all the world's
supply.
FWIW: I didn't accuse you of being an antisemite, IAn exceedingly fine distinction?
think I said that you sounded like an antisemite,
which you really do wrt NetanyahuAre you implying more than half of
Israel's voters who did not vote for
him are anti-semites? Is one not
allowed to dislike an Israel PM
without being called "anti-semite"?
and the "rightwing" Israeli government,So in your view one is not allowed to
use descriptive language without
being accused of vile intentions?
One trait you share with Herman is
that you read intent between lines,
while completely ignoring the text.
and Rabbis and what not.So what? How is disliking the clergy
anti-semitic? Are we all expected to
lick their boots and suck up to them
in order to prove we are good Jews?
Geez!
Note I said "your remarks" and thenAn exceedingly fine distinction.
started talking about "antisemitic
remarks" from other people.
If you have any doubts about theThere is certainly a case to be made
remarks of Andy and Henk being
antisemitic,
that Andy, Henk, Herman and others
have occasionally stated opinions
that can be described as social or
cultural anti-semitism. I intend to
address the matter in a separate
post.
go to some Jewish OrganizationDo you really think the son of
that actually deals with defining
antisemitism and ask them.
death camp survivors needs
to be "educated" about anti-
semitism by some fucking
"organization"? This would be
exceedingly condescending
coming from anyone. Coming
from a kraut it is downright
insulting.
I request an immediate apology.
What's remarkable is that instead ofDon't worry, Andy, Henk and I can
talking tacheles/doing some straight
talking with Andy and Henk,
settle things without your help.
all you have on your mind is Marc S,How so? You are relentlessly
attacking me for not living up
to your notions of Iraeliness
and Jewishness. Why are you
so obsessed with Israeli and
Jewish matters?
Netanyahu, and Frank BergerStating one's disagreement
and Rabbis.
about various matters does
not amount to "obsession".
You are a god damn disgrace.?!? To whom ?!?
If you actually wanted to doYou don't think I am?
good for Israel and the Jewish
people, you would be fighting
antisemitism,
and not the people defendingROTFL! Such a great defender.
Israel from it.
You are completely deranged
to believe anyone who does
not like Netanyahu is against
Israel. Taking this argument
at face value would imply
more than half of Israel's
population are anti-semites.
Now go argue with your cats.One never argues with one's cats.
I have don't always have timeROTFL !!!
for your nonsense.
dk
Since the invasion of Ukraine we have seen a shift in power blocs. Russia and China are getting closer, and bringing with them a number of African countries, the latest being S.Africa with joint military operations with Russia and China. India is yetto show its hand more clearly.
Some of this is because of energy dependency, especially in the case of Russia. Some is because of economic dependency in the case of China. Meanwhile the US and Europe remain aligned together with the Saudi oil states.What if much of the current Climate Crisis is in fact to hide the fact that Middle Eastern oil's reserves are imminently going to run out but nobody can face telling that fact? The implications are too mind-blowing shortly?
What are your thoughts on this going forwards?
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:28:31 PM UTC+13, Andy Evans wrote:to show its hand more clearly.
Since the invasion of Ukraine we have seen a shift in power blocs. Russia and China are getting closer, and bringing with them a number of African countries, the latest being S.Africa with joint military operations with Russia and China. India is yet
What if much of the current Climate Crisis is in fact to hide the fact that Middle Eastern oil's reserves are imminently going to run out but nobody can face telling that fact? The implications are too mind-blowing shortly?
Some of this is because of energy dependency, especially in the case of Russia. Some is because of economic dependency in the case of China. Meanwhile the US and Europe remain aligned together with the Saudi oil states.
What are your thoughts on this going forwards?
On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 09:56:26 UTC+11, Andy Evans wrote:few thoughts. The world is at a balance point.
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 18:49:28 UTC, Todd M. McComb wrote:
As a critic, I think it's fair to assess the "international relations"I think you're right. Looks like there's no point in discussing world affairs. I'll look for somewhere else to do that.
posts on this group thusly: Not a single one has been of any real
interest, and most are garbage.
I'm very disappointed with Andy for starting this thread in the wake
of the other ongoing troll thread. End of comments.
Unfortunately a lot of the threads about music are quite boring. Slim pickings here.
Same old music, still stuck in the 19th century, no variation, it isn't surprising when the same old music is done to death.
As for the world, it still rotates, but not, for ever. In the meantime, China will get stronger, the USA will disintegrate into several secessional states, while Europe will tiptoe along a hazardous wire of appeasement. Nothing will stop China. Just a
Ray Hall, Taree
On 1/23/23 3:12 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:few thoughts. The world is at a balance point.
On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 09:56:26 UTC+11, Andy Evans wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 18:49:28 UTC, Todd M. McComb wrote:
As a critic, I think it's fair to assess the "international relations" >>>> posts on this group thusly: Not a single one has been of any realI think you're right. Looks like there's no point in discussing world affairs. I'll look for somewhere else to do that.
interest, and most are garbage.
I'm very disappointed with Andy for starting this thread in the wake
of the other ongoing troll thread. End of comments.
Unfortunately a lot of the threads about music are quite boring. Slim pickings here.
Same old music, still stuck in the 19th century, no variation, it isn't surprising when the same old music is done to death.
As for the world, it still rotates, but not, for ever. In the meantime, China will get stronger, the USA will disintegrate into several secessional states, while Europe will tiptoe along a hazardous wire of appeasement. Nothing will stop China. Just a
Ray Hall, Taree
Actually, China's coming demographic collapse and the internal contradictions present in totalitarianism will limit them.
Bob Harper
On 1/23/23 3:12 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:a few thoughts. The world is at a balance point.
On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 09:56:26 UTC+11, Andy Evans wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 18:49:28 UTC, Todd M. McComb wrote:
As a critic, I think it's fair to assess the "international relations" >>> posts on this group thusly: Not a single one has been of any realI think you're right. Looks like there's no point in discussing world affairs. I'll look for somewhere else to do that.
interest, and most are garbage.
I'm very disappointed with Andy for starting this thread in the wake
of the other ongoing troll thread. End of comments.
Unfortunately a lot of the threads about music are quite boring. Slim pickings here.
Same old music, still stuck in the 19th century, no variation, it isn't surprising when the same old music is done to death.
As for the world, it still rotates, but not, for ever. In the meantime, China will get stronger, the USA will disintegrate into several secessional states, while Europe will tiptoe along a hazardous wire of appeasement. Nothing will stop China. Just
Ray Hall, Taree
Actually, China's coming demographic collapse and the internal contradictions present in totalitarianism will limit them.
Bob Harper
Since the invasion of Ukraine we have seen a shift in power blocs. Russia and China are getting closer, and bringing with them a number of African countries, the latest being S.Africa with joint military operations with Russia and China. India is yetto show its hand more clearly.
Some of this is because of energy dependency, especially in the case of Russia. Some is because of economic dependency in the case of China. Meanwhile the US and Europe remain aligned together with the Saudi oil states.
What are your thoughts on this going forwards?
On 1/23/23 3:12 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:a few thoughts. The world is at a balance point.
On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 09:56:26 UTC+11, Andy Evans wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 18:49:28 UTC, Todd M. McComb wrote:
As a critic, I think it's fair to assess the "international relations" >>> posts on this group thusly: Not a single one has been of any realI think you're right. Looks like there's no point in discussing world affairs. I'll look for somewhere else to do that.
interest, and most are garbage.
I'm very disappointed with Andy for starting this thread in the wake
of the other ongoing troll thread. End of comments.
Unfortunately a lot of the threads about music are quite boring. Slim pickings here.
Same old music, still stuck in the 19th century, no variation, it isn't surprising when the same old music is done to death.
As for the world, it still rotates, but not, for ever. In the meantime, China will get stronger, the USA will disintegrate into several secessional states, while Europe will tiptoe along a hazardous wire of appeasement. Nothing will stop China. Just
Ray Hall, Taree
Actually, China's coming demographic collapse and the internal contradictions present in totalitarianism will limit them.
Bob Harper
On Thursday, 9 March 2023 at 05:30:56 UTC+11, Bob Harper wrote:a few thoughts. The world is at a balance point.
On 1/23/23 3:12 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 09:56:26 UTC+11, Andy Evans wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 18:49:28 UTC, Todd M. McComb wrote:
As a critic, I think it's fair to assess the "international relations" >>>>> posts on this group thusly: Not a single one has been of any realI think you're right. Looks like there's no point in discussing world affairs. I'll look for somewhere else to do that.
interest, and most are garbage.
I'm very disappointed with Andy for starting this thread in the wake >>>>> of the other ongoing troll thread. End of comments.
Unfortunately a lot of the threads about music are quite boring. Slim pickings here.
Same old music, still stuck in the 19th century, no variation, it isn't surprising when the same old music is done to death.
As for the world, it still rotates, but not, for ever. In the meantime, China will get stronger, the USA will disintegrate into several secessional states, while Europe will tiptoe along a hazardous wire of appeasement. Nothing will stop China. Just
spent force.
Ray Hall, Taree
Actually, China's coming demographic collapse and the internal
contradictions present in totalitarianism will limit them.
Bob Harper
Any contradictions will indeed limit them, but totalitarianism has ways of overcoming any trifles. I cannot see anyone other than the US challenging them for world supremacy in military strength. Russia (other than its nuclear potential) is really a
Ray Hall, Taree
On 3/8/23 4:18 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:Just a few thoughts. The world is at a balance point.
On Thursday, 9 March 2023 at 05:30:56 UTC+11, Bob Harper wrote:
On 1/23/23 3:12 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 09:56:26 UTC+11, Andy Evans wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 18:49:28 UTC, Todd M. McComb wrote:
As a critic, I think it's fair to assess the "international relations" >>>>> posts on this group thusly: Not a single one has been of any real >>>>> interest, and most are garbage.I think you're right. Looks like there's no point in discussing world affairs. I'll look for somewhere else to do that.
I'm very disappointed with Andy for starting this thread in the wake >>>>> of the other ongoing troll thread. End of comments.
Unfortunately a lot of the threads about music are quite boring. Slim pickings here.
Same old music, still stuck in the 19th century, no variation, it isn't surprising when the same old music is done to death.
As for the world, it still rotates, but not, for ever. In the meantime, China will get stronger, the USA will disintegrate into several secessional states, while Europe will tiptoe along a hazardous wire of appeasement. Nothing will stop China.
spent force.
Ray Hall, Taree
Actually, China's coming demographic collapse and the internal
contradictions present in totalitarianism will limit them.
Bob Harper
Any contradictions will indeed limit them, but totalitarianism has ways of overcoming any trifles. I cannot see anyone other than the US challenging them for world supremacy in military strength. Russia (other than its nuclear potential) is really a
Ray Hall, TareeI think you're certainly right about the US being the only nation with enough might to challenge them in military strength (and I'd certainly
bet on us and give odds), but more importantly there is needed a an agreement among free nations (the Anglosphere and willing allies) to
oppose their drive for hegemony.
Bob Harper
Since the invasion of Ukraine we have seen a shift in power blocs. Russia and China are getting closer, and bringing with them a number of African countries, the latest being S.Africa with joint military operations with Russia and China. India is yetto show its hand more clearly.
Some of this is because of energy dependency, especially in the case of Russia. Some is because of economic dependency in the case of China. Meanwhile the US and Europe remain aligned together with the Saudi oil states.
What are your thoughts on this going forwards?
"How to Prevent a Cold War With China | Amanpour and Company"
"How to Prevent a Cold War With China | Amanpour and Company"
Is history repeating itself?:
https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/soc.history.early-modern/c/SQ_1rkA6bRk
On 3/8/23 4:18 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:Just a few thoughts. The world is at a balance point.
On Thursday, 9 March 2023 at 05:30:56 UTC+11, Bob Harper wrote:
On 1/23/23 3:12 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 09:56:26 UTC+11, Andy Evans wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 18:49:28 UTC, Todd M. McComb wrote:
As a critic, I think it's fair to assess the "international relations" >>>>> posts on this group thusly: Not a single one has been of any real >>>>> interest, and most are garbage.I think you're right. Looks like there's no point in discussing world affairs. I'll look for somewhere else to do that.
I'm very disappointed with Andy for starting this thread in the wake >>>>> of the other ongoing troll thread. End of comments.
Unfortunately a lot of the threads about music are quite boring. Slim pickings here.
Same old music, still stuck in the 19th century, no variation, it isn't surprising when the same old music is done to death.
As for the world, it still rotates, but not, for ever. In the meantime, China will get stronger, the USA will disintegrate into several secessional states, while Europe will tiptoe along a hazardous wire of appeasement. Nothing will stop China.
spent force.
Ray Hall, Taree
Actually, China's coming demographic collapse and the internal
contradictions present in totalitarianism will limit them.
Bob Harper
Any contradictions will indeed limit them, but totalitarianism has ways of overcoming any trifles. I cannot see anyone other than the US challenging them for world supremacy in military strength. Russia (other than its nuclear potential) is really a
Ray Hall, TareeI think you're certainly right about the US being the only nation with enough might to challenge them in military strength (and I'd certainly
bet on us and give odds), but more importantly there is needed a an agreement among free nations (the Anglosphere and willing allies) to
oppose their drive for hegemony.
Bob Harper
On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 11:02:02 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
“Most people are other people. Their thoughts areHow true of you!
someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their
passions a quotation.” - Oscar Wilde
You are a bouillabaisse of Adorno and Netanyahu
with an added bit of Prussian spices.
dk
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:28:33, Andy Evans wrote:
<snip>
What are your thoughts on this going forwards?
We have reached Peak China. It is a nation in decline.
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:28:31 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:to show its hand more clearly.
Since the invasion of Ukraine we have seen a shift in power blocs. Russia and China are getting closer, and bringing with them a number of African countries, the latest being S.Africa with joint military operations with Russia and China. India is yet
Some of this is because of energy dependency, especially in the case of Russia. Some is because of economic dependency in the case of China. Meanwhile the US and Europe remain aligned together with the Saudi oil states.
What are your thoughts on this going forwards?Is history repeating itself?:
https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/soc.history.early-modern/c/SQ_1rkA6bRk
“Most people are other people. Their thoughts are
someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their
passions a quotation.” - Oscar Wilde
On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 11:02:02 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:yet to show its hand more clearly.
gggg gggg schrieb am Donnerstag, 9. März 2023 um 04:06:32 UTC+1:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:28:31 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
Since the invasion of Ukraine we have seen a shift in power blocs. Russia and China are getting closer, and bringing with them a number of African countries, the latest being S.Africa with joint military operations with Russia and China. India is
Some of this is because of energy dependency, especially in the case of Russia. Some is because of economic dependency in the case of China. Meanwhile the US and Europe remain aligned together with the Saudi oil states.
What are your thoughts on this going forwards?Is history repeating itself?:
- I am a transmitter, rather than an original thinker.https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/soc.history.early-modern/c/SQ_1rkA6bRk“Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation.” - Oscar Wilde
Confucius
gggg gggg schrieb am Donnerstag, 9. März 2023 um 04:06:32 UTC+1:yet to show its hand more clearly.
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:28:31 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
Since the invasion of Ukraine we have seen a shift in power blocs. Russia and China are getting closer, and bringing with them a number of African countries, the latest being S.Africa with joint military operations with Russia and China. India is
Some of this is because of energy dependency, especially in the case of Russia. Some is because of economic dependency in the case of China. Meanwhile the US and Europe remain aligned together with the Saudi oil states.
What are your thoughts on this going forwards?Is history repeating itself?:
https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/soc.history.early-modern/c/SQ_1rkA6bRk“Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation.” - Oscar Wilde
gggg gggg schrieb am Donnerstag, 9. März 2023 um 08:17:18 UTC+1:is yet to show its hand more clearly.
On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 11:02:02 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
gggg gggg schrieb am Donnerstag, 9. März 2023 um 04:06:32 UTC+1:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:28:31 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
Since the invasion of Ukraine we have seen a shift in power blocs. Russia and China are getting closer, and bringing with them a number of African countries, the latest being S.Africa with joint military operations with Russia and China. India
Some of this is because of energy dependency, especially in the case of Russia. Some is because of economic dependency in the case of China. Meanwhile the US and Europe remain aligned together with the Saudi oil states.
What are your thoughts on this going forwards?Is history repeating itself?:
- I am a transmitter, rather than an original thinker.https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/soc.history.early-modern/c/SQ_1rkA6bRk“Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation.” - Oscar Wilde
ConfuciusPoor you... and poor us.
If you would at least transmit something original... something unoriginal but rational would be fine as well.
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:08:54 AM UTC-8, Oscar wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:28:33, Andy Evans wrote:
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What are your thoughts on this going forwards?
We have reached Peak China. It is a nation in decline.
As far as one can tell, China has been "in decline"
for 5000 years. I am willing to sign a notarized
affidavit it will still be "in decline" 5000 years
from now.
You need a brain transplant.
dk
Makes a lot of sense. I think time is against China,
which makes them quite dangerous in the near term.
On Thursday, 26 January 2023 at 06:31:32 UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
- Slowly but surely, much in the style of Germany under Hitler in
the 1930s, the Modi government over two elected terms has
nearly the entire Indian media in its pocket. So much so that
when the government has ordered taking down of tweets and
youtube postings on and of the documentary, the irony of the
moment is almost lost.
Unfortunately this is happening in many, many countries. We need
good journalists more than ever, but their job becomes more and
more dangerous as the world plunges into a kind of darkness of
the truth.
On Thursday, 9 March 2023 at 12:19:44 UTC+11, Bob Harper wrote:Just a few thoughts. The world is at a balance point.
On 3/8/23 4:18 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, 9 March 2023 at 05:30:56 UTC+11, Bob Harper wrote:
On 1/23/23 3:12 PM, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 09:56:26 UTC+11, Andy Evans wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 18:49:28 UTC, Todd M. McComb wrote: >>>>>>> As a critic, I think it's fair to assess the "international relations" >>>>>>> posts on this group thusly: Not a single one has been of any real >>>>>>> interest, and most are garbage.
I think you're right. Looks like there's no point in discussing world affairs. I'll look for somewhere else to do that.
I'm very disappointed with Andy for starting this thread in the wake >>>>>>> of the other ongoing troll thread. End of comments.
Unfortunately a lot of the threads about music are quite boring. Slim pickings here.
Same old music, still stuck in the 19th century, no variation, it isn't surprising when the same old music is done to death.
As for the world, it still rotates, but not, for ever. In the meantime, China will get stronger, the USA will disintegrate into several secessional states, while Europe will tiptoe along a hazardous wire of appeasement. Nothing will stop China.
spent force.
Ray Hall, Taree
Actually, China's coming demographic collapse and the internal
contradictions present in totalitarianism will limit them.
Bob Harper
Any contradictions will indeed limit them, but totalitarianism has ways of overcoming any trifles. I cannot see anyone other than the US challenging them for world supremacy in military strength. Russia (other than its nuclear potential) is really a
Interestingly, Russia, post-Putin, will be a big question mark, especially in regard to how China and Russia co-operate or not, but this will not resolve for a decade or two methinks.I think you're certainly right about the US being the only nation with
Ray Hall, Taree
enough might to challenge them in military strength (and I'd certainly
bet on us and give odds), but more importantly there is needed a an
agreement among free nations (the Anglosphere and willing allies) to
oppose their drive for hegemony.
Bob Harper
From recent reading, even the Chinese move against Taiwan is not certain - yet. Maybe 5 years? Also true that if an agreement is reached between US, UK, France (maybe), with Australia as assist, then the Chinese have a lot of catching up to do.
Ray Hall, Taree
On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 2:16:58 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
On Thursday, 26 January 2023 at 06:31:32 UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
- Slowly but surely, much in the style of Germany under Hitler in
the 1930s, the Modi government over two elected terms has
nearly the entire Indian media in its pocket. So much so that
when the government has ordered taking down of tweets and
youtube postings on and of the documentary, the irony of the
moment is almost lost.
Unfortunately this is happening in many, many countries. We need
good journalists more than ever, but their job becomes more and
more dangerous as the world plunges into a kind of darkness of
the truth.
It is not obvious that things were any better 10, 20, 50, or 100 years
ago.
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:52:42 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 9. März 2023 um 19:38:38 UTC+1:
On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 2:16:58 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
On Thursday, 26 January 2023 at 06:31:32 UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
- Slowly but surely, much in the style of Germany under Hitler in the 1930s, the Modi government over two elected terms has
nearly the entire Indian media in its pocket. So much so that
when the government has ordered taking down of tweets and
youtube postings on and of the documentary, the irony of the moment is almost lost.
Unfortunately this is happening in many, many countries. We need
good journalists more than ever, but their job becomes more and
more dangerous as the world plunges into a kind of darkness of
the truth.
It is not obvious that things were any
better 10, 20, 50, or 100 years ago.
Certainly one can say this about music.Without clearly calibrated metrics and
measurement protocols, all "better" or
"worse" statements can only be taken
as metaphorical, regardless of domain.
dk
Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 9. März 2023 um 19:38:38 UTC+1:
On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 2:16:58 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
On Thursday, 26 January 2023 at 06:31:32 UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
- Slowly but surely, much in the style of Germany under Hitler in the 1930s, the Modi government over two elected terms has
nearly the entire Indian media in its pocket. So much so that
when the government has ordered taking down of tweets and
youtube postings on and of the documentary, the irony of the
moment is almost lost.
Unfortunately this is happening in many, many countries. We need
good journalists more than ever, but their job becomes more and
more dangerous as the world plunges into a kind of darkness of
the truth.
It is not obvious that things were any
better 10, 20, 50, or 100 years ago.
Certainly one can say this about music.
Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 9. März 2023 um 20:27:45 UTC+1:*better soccer team lost
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:52:42 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 9. März 2023 um 19:38:38 UTC+1:
On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 2:16:58 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
On Thursday, 26 January 2023 at 06:31:32 UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
- Slowly but surely, much in the style of Germany under Hitler in
the 1930s, the Modi government over two elected terms has
nearly the entire Indian media in its pocket. So much so that when the government has ordered taking down of tweets and youtube postings on and of the documentary, the irony of the moment is almost lost.
Unfortunately this is happening in many, many countries. We need good journalists more than ever, but their job becomes more and
more dangerous as the world plunges into a kind of darkness of
the truth.
It is not obvious that things were any
better 10, 20, 50, or 100 years ago.
Certainly one can say this about music.Without clearly calibrated metrics and
measurement protocols, all "better" or
"worse" statements can only be taken
as metaphorical, regardless of domain.
dkYet there are occasions in which people can see clearly that the better soccer team - because of measurements. Sometimes measurements are just worthless.
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 11:49:41 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 9. März 2023 um 20:46:45 UTC+1:
Without clearly calibrated metrics and
measurement protocols, all "better" or
"worse" statements can only be taken
as metaphorical, regardless of domain.
This applies only to short time span events.Yet there are occasions in which people
can see clearly that the better soccer team
It doesn't work across decades or centuries.
dk
Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 9. März 2023 um 20:46:45 UTC+1:
Without clearly calibrated metrics and
measurement protocols, all "better" or
"worse" statements can only be taken
as metaphorical, regardless of domain.
Yet there are occasions in which people
can see clearly that the better soccer team
Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 9. März 2023 um 21:20:35 UTC+1:
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 11:49:41 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 9. März 2023 um 20:46:45 UTC+1:
Without clearly calibrated metrics and
measurement protocols, all "better" or
"worse" statements can only be taken
as metaphorical, regardless of domain.
This applies only to short time span events.Yet there are occasions in which people
can see clearly that the better soccer team
It doesn't work across decades or centuries.
dk100% certain?
Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 9. März 2023 um 21:40:44 UTC+1:
Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 9. März 2023 um 21:20:35 UTC+1:
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 11:49:41 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 9. März 2023 um 20:46:45 UTC+1:
Without clearly calibrated metrics and
measurement protocols, all "better" or
"worse" statements can only be taken
as metaphorical, regardless of domain.
This applies only to short time span events.Yet there are occasions in which people
can see clearly that the better soccer team
It doesn't work across decades or centuries.
in all cases?dk100% certain?
On 3/8/23 6:18 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, 9 March 2023 at 12:19:44 UTC+11, Bob Harper wrote:
I think you're certainly right about the US being the only nation with
Actually, China's coming demographic collapse and the internal
contradictions present in totalitarianism will limit them.
Bob Harper
Any contradictions will indeed limit them, but totalitarianism has ways >>>> of overcoming any trifles. I cannot see anyone other than the US
challenging them for world supremacy in military strength. Russia
(other than its nuclear potential) is really a spent force.
Ray Hall, Taree
enough might to challenge them in military strength (and I'd certainly
bet on us and give odds), but more importantly there is needed a an
agreement among free nations (the Anglosphere and willing allies) to
oppose their drive for hegemony.
Bob Harper
From recent reading, even the Chinese move against Taiwan is not
certain - yet. Maybe 5 years? Also true that if an agreement is reached
between US, UK, France (maybe), with Australia as assist, then the
Chinese have a lot of catching up to do. Interestingly, Russia,
post-Putin, will be a big question mark, especially in regard to how
China and Russia co-operate or not, but this will not resolve for a
decade or two methinks.
Ray Hall, Taree
Makes a lot of sense. I think time is against China, which makes them
quite dangerous in the near term. Hence, vigilance is necessary. I
imagine Putin's Russia will be more of a drag on, than an assistance
to, the Chinese, who are probably realizing that now.
Bob Harper
On 2023-03-09 18:16:08 +0000, Bob Harper said:
On 3/8/23 6:18 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, 9 March 2023 at 12:19:44 UTC+11, Bob Harper wrote:
I think you're certainly right about the US being the only nation with >>>> enough might to challenge them in military strength (and I'd certainly >>>> bet on us and give odds), but more importantly there is needed a an
Actually, China's coming demographic collapse and the internal
contradictions present in totalitarianism will limit them.
Bob Harper
Any contradictions will indeed limit them, but totalitarianism has
ways of overcoming any trifles. I cannot see anyone other than the
US challenging them for world supremacy in military strength.
Russia (other than its nuclear potential) is really a spent force.
Ray Hall, Taree
agreement among free nations (the Anglosphere and willing allies) to
oppose their drive for hegemony.
Bob Harper
From recent reading, even the Chinese move against Taiwan is not
certain - yet. Maybe 5 years? Also true that if an agreement is
reached between US, UK, France (maybe), with Australia as assist,
then the Chinese have a lot of catching up to do. Interestingly,
Russia, post-Putin, will be a big question mark, especially in regard
to how China and Russia co-operate or not, but this will not resolve
for a decade or two methinks.
Ray Hall, Taree
Makes a lot of sense. I think time is against China, which makes them
quite dangerous in the near term. Hence, vigilance is necessary. I
imagine Putin's Russia will be more of a drag on, than an assistance
to, the Chinese, who are probably realizing that now.
Bob Harper
China, having gone through a boom in the last 20 years in exporting
goods, is seeing a pushback from the US. They probably are seeing the writing on the wall with manufacturing technology being brought
elsewhere, like Vietnam, India and even the US itself. They have a long lasting stick in their craw about Taiwan.
The US is getting deeper involved in a probably never-ending proxy war
with Russia in Ukraine, at least that's what the military hopes for.
We're shooting down a Chinese balloon with a missile that costs as much
as 150 single family houses, but we look for "affordable housing" for
our homeless.
Russia is using their old playbook of throwing a million men at the problem. It's worked in the past.
-Owen
I think time is against China, which makes
them quite dangerous in the near term.
Since the invasion of Ukraine we have seen a shift in power blocs. Russia and China are getting closer, and bringing with them a number of African countries, the latest being S.Africa with joint military operations with Russia and China. India is yetto show its hand more clearly.
Some of this is because of energy dependency, especially in the case of Russia. Some is because of economic dependency in the case of China. Meanwhile the US and Europe remain aligned together with the Saudi oil states.
What are your thoughts on this going forwards?
On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 10:30:56 AM UTC-8, Bob Harper wrote:Just a few thoughts. The world is at a balance point.
On 1/23/23 3:12 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 09:56:26 UTC+11, Andy Evans wrote:
On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 18:49:28 UTC, Todd M. McComb wrote:
As a critic, I think it's fair to assess the "international relations" >>> posts on this group thusly: Not a single one has been of any realI think you're right. Looks like there's no point in discussing world affairs. I'll look for somewhere else to do that.
interest, and most are garbage.
I'm very disappointed with Andy for starting this thread in the wake >>> of the other ongoing troll thread. End of comments.
Unfortunately a lot of the threads about music are quite boring. Slim pickings here.
Same old music, still stuck in the 19th century, no variation, it isn't surprising when the same old music is done to death.
As for the world, it still rotates, but not, for ever. In the meantime, China will get stronger, the USA will disintegrate into several secessional states, while Europe will tiptoe along a hazardous wire of appeasement. Nothing will stop China.
Ray Hall, Taree
Actually, China's coming demographic collapse and the internal contradictions present in totalitarianism will limit them.
Bob Harper(Y. upload):
"Why China Will Not Last This Decade - Peter Zeihan"
From recent reading, even the Chinese move
against Taiwan is not certain - yet. Maybe 5
years?
Also true that if an agreement is reached
between US, UK, France (maybe), with
Australia as assist, then the Chinese
have a lot of catching up to do.
Interestingly, Russia, post-Putin, will be a
big question mark, especially in regard to
how China and Russia co-operate or not,
On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 6:18:21 PM UTC-8, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
From recent reading, even the Chinese moveAs they say, it is a matter of "when", not "if".
against Taiwan is not certain - yet. Maybe 5
years?
Also true that if an agreement is reachedIn what sense? Western nations have lost
between US, UK, France (maybe), with
Australia as assist, then the Chinese
have a lot of catching up to do.
several wars in Indo-China. Do you think
any of them has appetite for another one?
Interestingly, Russia, post-Putin, will be aChina and Russia have no choice but to
big question mark, especially in regard to
how China and Russia co-operate or not,
cooperate. Russia has natural resources
China does not have but needs. China
has financial and industrial resources
Russia does not have but needs. This
is a trategic issue that has nothing to
do with how much Vlad likes Xi or not.
On Saturday, 11 March 2023 at 18:10:23 UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 6:18:21 PM UTC-8, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
From recent reading, even the Chinese move
against Taiwan is not certain - yet. Maybe 5
years?
As they say, it is a matter of "when", not "if".
Of course.
Also true that if an agreement is reached
between US, UK, France (maybe), with
Australia as assist, then the Chinese
have a lot of catching up to do.
In what sense? Western nations have lost
several wars in Indo-China. Do you think
any of them has appetite for another one?
I was only putting forward a scenario should
China ever became an aggressor both financially
and military wise. The idea of the West attacking
China is ridiculous.
Interestingly, Russia, post-Putin, will be a
big question mark, especially in regard to
how China and Russia co-operate or not,
China and Russia have no choice but to
cooperate. Russia has natural resources
China does not have but needs. China
has financial and industrial resources
Russia does not have but needs. This
is a trategic issue that has nothing to
do with how much Vlad likes Xi or not.
China has 1.4 billion people, with Russia
135 million. I'd be worried long term if I
was Russian.
Since the invasion of Ukraine we have seen a shift in power blocs. Russia and China are getting closer, and bringing with them a number of African countries, the latest being S.Africa with joint military operations with Russia and China. India is yetto show its hand more clearly.
Some of this is because of energy dependency, especially in the case of Russia. Some is because of economic dependency in the case of China. Meanwhile the US and Europe remain aligned together with the Saudi oil states.
What are your thoughts on this going forwards?
Since the invasion of Ukraine we have seen a shift in power blocs. Russia and China are getting closer, and bringing with them a number of African countries, the latest being S.Africa with joint military operations with Russia and China. India is yetto show its hand more clearly.
Some of this is because of energy dependency, especially in the case of Russia. Some is because of economic dependency in the case of China. Meanwhile the US and Europe remain aligned together with the Saudi oil states.
What are your thoughts on this going forwards?
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