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  • Has anyone heard Cziffra play the Schumann op 11 sonata?

    From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 22 01:03:24 2023
    There’s a recording from a concert in Besançon in 1961, transferred by St Laurent Studios and by MeloClassics. Are the transfers satisfying to hear? Is the performance special?

    https://www.78experience.com/welcome.php?mod=disque&disque_id=1422 https://www.meloclassic.com/gyorgy-cziffra-2/

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Sun Jan 22 01:21:58 2023
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:03:27 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    There’s a recording from a concert in Besançon in 1961, transferred by St Laurent Studios and by MeloClassics. Are the transfers satisfying to hear? Is the performance special?

    https://www.78experience.com/welcome.php?mod=disque&disque_id=1422 https://www.meloclassic.com/gyorgy-cziffra-2/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alPh57OZfJQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n23Fe-nsJk8

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Sun Jan 22 01:27:08 2023
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:22:01 AM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:03:27 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    There’s a recording from a concert in Besançon in 1961, transferred by St Laurent Studios and by MeloClassics. Are the transfers satisfying to hear? Is the performance special?

    https://www.78experience.com/welcome.php?mod=disque&disque_id=1422 https://www.meloclassic.com/gyorgy-cziffra-2/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alPh57OZfJQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n23Fe-nsJk8

    Thanks Dan - I should have checked myself!

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Sun Jan 22 03:14:18 2023
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:27:10 AM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:22:01 AM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:03:27 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    There’s a recording from a concert in Besançon in 1961, transferred by St Laurent Studios and by MeloClassics. Are the transfers satisfying to hear? Is the performance special?

    https://www.78experience.com/welcome.php?mod=disque&disque_id=1422 https://www.meloclassic.com/gyorgy-cziffra-2/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alPh57OZfJQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n23Fe-nsJk8
    Thanks Dan - I should have checked myself!
    And I think it's pretty special - despite the sound.

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Mon Jan 23 12:05:27 2023
    On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:52:08 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 3:14:21 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:27:10 AM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:22:01 AM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:03:27 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    There’s a recording from a concert in Besançon in 1961, transferred by St Laurent Studios and by MeloClassics. Are the transfers satisfying to hear? Is the performance special?

    https://www.78experience.com/welcome.php?mod=disque&disque_id=1422 https://www.meloclassic.com/gyorgy-cziffra-2/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alPh57OZfJQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n23Fe-nsJk8
    Thanks Dan - I should have checked myself!
    And I think it's pretty special - despite the sound.
    Very nice, yet still no match for Sofronitsky.

    dk
    Or Virsaladze.

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Mon Jan 23 12:12:51 2023
    On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 8:05:30 PM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:52:08 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 3:14:21 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:27:10 AM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:22:01 AM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:03:27 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    There’s a recording from a concert in Besançon in 1961, transferred by St Laurent Studios and by MeloClassics. Are the transfers satisfying to hear? Is the performance special?

    https://www.78experience.com/welcome.php?mod=disque&disque_id=1422 https://www.meloclassic.com/gyorgy-cziffra-2/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alPh57OZfJQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n23Fe-nsJk8
    Thanks Dan - I should have checked myself!
    And I think it's pretty special - despite the sound.
    Very nice, yet still no match for Sofronitsky.

    dk
    Or Virsaladze.

    This

    https://open.spotify.com/album/2R8RTes4Mwl9gR6U1A2lNP?si=eaAQ4x8qQriIpUXU_IfZCA

    not this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EjZk0nvwMY&ab_channel=ElissoVirsaladze-Topic

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Mon Jan 23 11:52:05 2023
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 3:14:21 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:27:10 AM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:22:01 AM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:03:27 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    There’s a recording from a concert in Besançon in 1961, transferred by St Laurent Studios and by MeloClassics. Are the transfers satisfying to hear? Is the performance special?

    https://www.78experience.com/welcome.php?mod=disque&disque_id=1422 https://www.meloclassic.com/gyorgy-cziffra-2/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alPh57OZfJQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n23Fe-nsJk8
    Thanks Dan - I should have checked myself!
    And I think it's pretty special - despite the sound.

    Very nice, yet still no match for Sofronitsky.

    dk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Mon Jan 23 22:12:58 2023
    On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 8:12:54 PM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 8:05:30 PM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:52:08 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 3:14:21 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:27:10 AM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:22:01 AM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 1:03:27 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    There’s a recording from a concert in Besançon in 1961, transferred by St Laurent Studios and by MeloClassics. Are the transfers satisfying to hear? Is the performance special?

    https://www.78experience.com/welcome.php?mod=disque&disque_id=1422
    https://www.meloclassic.com/gyorgy-cziffra-2/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alPh57OZfJQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n23Fe-nsJk8
    Thanks Dan - I should have checked myself!
    And I think it's pretty special - despite the sound.
    Very nice, yet still no match for Sofronitsky.

    dk
    Or Virsaladze.
    This

    https://open.spotify.com/album/2R8RTes4Mwl9gR6U1A2lNP?si=eaAQ4x8qQriIpUXU_IfZCA

    not this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EjZk0nvwMY&ab_channel=ElissoVirsaladze-Topic

    Or Annie Fischer

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yBkXIy6sURw

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 23 22:16:26 2023
    Anyone heard Demidenko?

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Wed Jan 25 02:23:57 2023
    On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:16:29 AM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
    Anyone heard Demidenko?

    Listening to Demidenko this morning. The downside is the piano sound. The upside is that it is distinctive interpretation, pretty incandescent. It reminds me of his Schumann concerts in London, which were divisive because he played loud and rarely played
    sweetly, but he often played forcefully. Worth hearing I’d say.

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Wed Jan 25 02:30:23 2023
    On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 10:24:00 AM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:16:29 AM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
    Anyone heard Demidenko?

    Listening to Demidenko this morning. The downside is the piano sound. The upside is that it is distinctive interpretation, pretty incandescent. It reminds me of his Schumann concerts in London, which were divisive because he played loud and rarely
    played sweetly, but he often played forcefully. Worth hearing I’d say.
    I’ve decided I really love this sonata!

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Wed Jan 25 07:00:27 2023
    Mandryka schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 11:30:26 UTC+1:
    On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 10:24:00 AM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:16:29 AM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
    Anyone heard Demidenko?

    Listening to Demidenko this morning. The downside is the piano sound. The upside is that it is distinctive interpretation, pretty incandescent. It reminds me of his Schumann concerts in London, which were divisive because he played loud and rarely
    played sweetly, but he often played forcefully. Worth hearing I’d say.
    I’ve decided I really love this sonata!

    It certainly is loveable in many aspects, I am just unsure about the whole. And it seems quite underrated and underplayed to me? I prefer him to Brahms actually thinking about it, Brahms is just too thick, generally. And Schumann never seems to against
    my taste as much as Brahms does for example with the Alphorn-part in the 1st Symphony - I hate it. Haydn, Schumann and Mahler symphonies I like much more; Beethoven and Mozart in a league of their own, with Beethoven edging out.

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Marc S on Wed Jan 25 07:42:07 2023
    Marc S schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 16:00:33 UTC+1:
    Mandryka schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 11:30:26 UTC+1:
    On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 10:24:00 AM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:16:29 AM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
    Anyone heard Demidenko?

    Listening to Demidenko this morning. The downside is the piano sound. The upside is that it is distinctive interpretation, pretty incandescent. It reminds me of his Schumann concerts in London, which were divisive because he played loud and rarely
    played sweetly, but he often played forcefully. Worth hearing I’d say.
    I’ve decided I really love this sonata!
    It certainly is loveable in many aspects, I am just unsure about the whole. And it seems quite underrated and underplayed to me? I prefer him to Brahms actually thinking about it, Brahms is just too thick, generally. And Schumann never seems to against
    my taste as much as Brahms does for example with the Alphorn-part in the 1st Symphony - I hate it. Haydn, Schumann and Mahler symphonies I like much more; Beethoven and Mozart in a league of their own, with Beethoven edging out.

    Oh, I forgot about Schubert and Mendelssohn. So ya, generally I think I'd rate Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Mendelssohn and Schumann's music over Brahms'; not so sure about Mahler, but probably even him thinking about it. Still need to listen to
    more Mendelssohn - and also to Schoenberg, Berg and Webern. Thing with Schumann and Mahler is (goes for Brahms as well), I can't find pieces I enjoy wholly.

    wrt topic: I like Cziffra here, but vastly prefer Sofronitsky. Of which I think you do too.

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to Marc S on Wed Jan 25 07:44:06 2023
    Marc S schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 16:42:10 UTC+1:
    Marc S schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 16:00:33 UTC+1:
    Mandryka schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2023 um 11:30:26 UTC+1:
    On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 10:24:00 AM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:16:29 AM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
    Anyone heard Demidenko?

    Listening to Demidenko this morning. The downside is the piano sound. The upside is that it is distinctive interpretation, pretty incandescent. It reminds me of his Schumann concerts in London, which were divisive because he played loud and
    rarely played sweetly, but he often played forcefully. Worth hearing I’d say.
    I’ve decided I really love this sonata!
    It certainly is loveable in many aspects, I am just unsure about the whole. And it seems quite underrated and underplayed to me? I prefer him to Brahms actually thinking about it, Brahms is just too thick, generally. And Schumann never seems to
    against my taste as much as Brahms does for example with the Alphorn-part in the 1st Symphony - I hate it. Haydn, Schumann and Mahler symphonies I like much more; Beethoven and Mozart in a league of their own, with Beethoven edging out.
    Oh, I forgot about Schubert and Mendelssohn. So ya, generally I think I'd rate Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Mendelssohn and Schumann's music over Brahms'; not so sure about Mahler, but probably even him thinking about it. Still need to listen to
    more Mendelssohn - and also to Schoenberg, Berg and Webern. Thing with Schumann and Mahler is (goes for Brahms as well), I can't find pieces I enjoy wholly.


    *And I forgot about Bach. For the rest of music, and I mean really for the rest of music, besides the names mentioned, I don't really care anymore.

    wrt topic: I like Cziffra here, but vastly prefer Sofronitsky. Of which I think you do too.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Marc S on Sat Jan 28 22:43:57 2023
    On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 7:42:10 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

    I like Cziffra here, but vastly prefer
    Sofronitsky. Of which I think you
    do too.

    Sofronitsky owns it completely. I
    once sent a copy to a high school
    friend. Her reaction was "I don't
    like it -- Schumann waz crazy!"

    Can one imagine higher praise?

    dk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Sun Jan 29 05:23:45 2023
    On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 6:44:00 AM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 7:42:10 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

    I like Cziffra here, but vastly prefer
    Sofronitsky. Of which I think you
    do too.
    Sofronitsky owns it completely. I
    once sent a copy to a high school
    friend. Her reaction was "I don't
    like it -- Schumann waz crazy!"

    Can one imagine higher praise?

    dk

    There's this one from 1948, the relentless severity of it, and the pain he expresses, is astonishing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHZ7x_zXXVc&ab_channel=gullivior

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  • From Marc S@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Sun Jan 29 08:53:56 2023
    dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Sonntag, 29. Januar 2023 um 07:44:00 UTC+1:
    On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 7:42:10 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:

    I like Cziffra here, but vastly prefer
    Sofronitsky. Of which I think you
    do too.
    Sofronitsky owns it completely. I
    once sent a copy to a high school
    friend. Her reaction was "I don't
    like it -- Schumann waz crazy!"

    Didn't your high school friend realize you were even crazier than Schumann?


    Can one imagine higher praise?

    I think so.


    dk

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