• Leschtizky's 1906 Chopin recordings

    From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 16 18:21:04 2023
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyribVWEMEU

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Tue Jan 17 01:34:39 2023
    On Tuesday, 17 January 2023 at 02:21:07 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyribVWEMEU

    Thanks. Very interesting playing.

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  • From AB@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Tue Jan 17 10:50:07 2023
    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 4:34:41 AM UTC-5, Andy Evans wrote:
    On Tuesday, 17 January 2023 at 02:21:07 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyribVWEMEU

    Thanks. Very interesting playing.

    that is a piano roll, how can you tell about the playing??? :))))))

    AB

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  • From Lawrence Kart@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 17 16:48:03 2023
    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 12:50:10 PM UTC-6, AB wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 4:34:41 AM UTC-5, Andy Evans wrote:
    On Tuesday, 17 January 2023 at 02:21:07 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyribVWEMEU

    Thanks. Very interesting playing.
    that is a piano roll, how can you tell about the playing??? :))))))

    AB
    Piano rolls aren't a perfect reproducing medium, but they reveal some of the truth of what is being reproduced. Now if you find that the information they reproduce is not imperfect but outright false, you might have a case. Are you saying that?

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  • From AB@21:1/5 to ljk...@aol.com on Wed Jan 18 10:38:49 2023
    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 7:48:06 PM UTC-5, ljk...@aol.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 12:50:10 PM UTC-6, AB wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 4:34:41 AM UTC-5, Andy Evans wrote:
    On Tuesday, 17 January 2023 at 02:21:07 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyribVWEMEU

    Thanks. Very interesting playing.
    that is a piano roll, how can you tell about the playing??? :))))))

    AB
    Piano rolls aren't a perfect reproducing medium, but they reveal some of the truth of what is being reproduced. Now if you find that the information they reproduce is not imperfect but outright false, you might have a case. Are you saying that?

    SFAIC, the rolls give no idea about, touch, tone, color,etc. they are uselss AB

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 18 12:50:08 2023
    On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:38:51 AM UTC-8, AB wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 7:48:06 PM UTC-5, ljk...@aol.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 12:50:10 PM UTC-6, AB wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 4:34:41 AM UTC-5, Andy Evans wrote:
    On Tuesday, 17 January 2023 at 02:21:07 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyribVWEMEU

    Thanks. Very interesting playing.

    that is a piano roll, how can you tell about the playing??? :))))))

    Piano rolls aren't a perfect reproducing medium, but they reveal
    some of the truth of what is being reproduced. Now if you find
    that the information they reproduce is not imperfect but outright
    false, you might have a case. Are you saying that?

    SFAIC, the rolls give no idea about,
    touch, tone, color,etc. they are uselss


    Obviously one does not listen to piano
    rolls with the same expectations as one
    listens to modern recordings. One tries
    to get some idea about the pianist's
    conception of the work, his/her/its
    phrasing, tempi, agogic, sense of
    rhythm and what not. When one
    looks at plates recovered from
    archeological digs one does it
    to understand how ancient
    civilizations ate their meals,
    rather than contemplating
    how to use them to serve
    day to day meals.

    There are also plenty of modern
    performances and recordings
    completely devoid of touch,
    tone, color, texture or phrasing.
    Have you ever heard Brendull?

    dk

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  • From Lawrence Kart@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Wed Jan 18 14:33:16 2023
    On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 2:50:11 PM UTC-6, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:38:51 AM UTC-8, AB wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 7:48:06 PM UTC-5, ljk...@aol.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 12:50:10 PM UTC-6, AB wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 4:34:41 AM UTC-5, Andy Evans wrote:
    On Tuesday, 17 January 2023 at 02:21:07 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyribVWEMEU

    Thanks. Very interesting playing.

    that is a piano roll, how can you tell about the playing??? :))))))

    Piano rolls aren't a perfect reproducing medium, but they reveal
    some of the truth of what is being reproduced. Now if you find
    that the information they reproduce is not imperfect but outright
    false, you might have a case. Are you saying that?

    SFAIC, the rolls give no idea about,
    touch, tone, color,etc. they are uselss

    Obviously one does not listen to piano
    rolls with the same expectations as one
    listens to modern recordings. One tries
    to get some idea about the pianist's
    conception of the work, his/her/its
    phrasing, tempi, agogic, sense of
    rhythm and what not. When one
    looks at plates recovered from
    archeological digs one does it
    to understand how ancient
    civilizations ate their meals,
    rather than contemplating
    how to use them to serve
    day to day meals.

    There are also plenty of modern
    performances and recordings
    completely devoid of touch,
    tone, color, texture or phrasing.
    Have you ever heard Brendull?

    dk
    Dan put it very well. "'Phrasing, tempi, agogic, sense of
    rhythm, etc.' -- there's much to be learned from a decent piano roll if one uses one's ears and imagination.

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  • From AB@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Thu Jan 19 10:40:35 2023
    On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 3:50:11 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:38:51 AM UTC-8, AB wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 7:48:06 PM UTC-5, ljk...@aol.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 12:50:10 PM UTC-6, AB wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 4:34:41 AM UTC-5, Andy Evans wrote:
    On Tuesday, 17 January 2023 at 02:21:07 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyribVWEMEU

    Thanks. Very interesting playing.

    that is a piano roll, how can you tell about the playing??? :))))))

    Piano rolls aren't a perfect reproducing medium, but they reveal
    some of the truth of what is being reproduced. Now if you find
    that the information they reproduce is not imperfect but outright
    false, you might have a case. Are you saying that?

    SFAIC, the rolls give no idea about,
    touch, tone, color,etc. they are uselss

    Obviously one does not listen to piano
    rolls with the same expectations as one
    listens to modern recordings. One tries
    to get some idea about the pianist's
    conception of the work, his/her/its
    phrasing, tempi, agogic, sense of
    rhythm and what not. When one
    looks at plates recovered from
    archeological digs one does it
    to understand how ancient
    civilizations ate their meals,
    rather than contemplating
    how to use them to serve
    day to day meals.

    There are also plenty of modern
    performances and recordings
    completely devoid of touch,
    tone, color, texture or phrasing.
    Have you ever heard Brendull?


    unfortunately, all the above is pure bullshit, not relevant to piano rolls.......

    AB

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  • From AB@21:1/5 to ljk...@aol.com on Thu Jan 19 10:43:52 2023
    On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 5:33:19 PM UTC-5, ljk...@aol.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 2:50:11 PM UTC-6, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:38:51 AM UTC-8, AB wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 7:48:06 PM UTC-5, ljk...@aol.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 12:50:10 PM UTC-6, AB wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 4:34:41 AM UTC-5, Andy Evans wrote:
    On Tuesday, 17 January 2023 at 02:21:07 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyribVWEMEU

    Thanks. Very interesting playing.

    that is a piano roll, how can you tell about the playing??? :))))))

    Piano rolls aren't a perfect reproducing medium, but they reveal
    some of the truth of what is being reproduced. Now if you find
    that the information they reproduce is not imperfect but outright false, you might have a case. Are you saying that?

    SFAIC, the rolls give no idea about,
    touch, tone, color,etc. they are uselss

    Obviously one does not listen to piano
    rolls with the same expectations as one
    listens to modern recordings. One tries
    to get some idea about the pianist's
    conception of the work, his/her/its
    phrasing, tempi, agogic, sense of
    rhythm and what not. When one
    looks at plates recovered from
    archeological digs one does it
    to understand how ancient
    civilizations ate their meals,
    rather than contemplating
    how to use them to serve
    day to day meals.

    There are also plenty of modern
    performances and recordings
    completely devoid of touch,
    tone, color, texture or phrasing.
    Have you ever heard Brendull?

    dk
    Dan put it very well. "'Phrasing, tempi, agogic, sense of
    rhythm, etc.' -- there's much to be learned from a decent piano roll if one uses one's ears and imagination.

    never heard a decent piano roll ,( I must be a slow learner) :-)))

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 19 16:05:48 2023
    On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 10:43:56 AM UTC-8, AB wrote:

    never heard a decent piano roll

    Indecent rolls are better.

    dk

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