https://www.dropbox.com/s/8vlkyw909z5jgr6/Here%20Comes%20Mephisto%21.mp3?dl=0

What do you think?

dk

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On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:48:35 PM UTC-6, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8vlkyw909z5jgr6/Here%20Comes%20Mephisto%21.mp3?dl=0

What do you think?

dk

Holy jumping J.C. What power. And intense involvement in the piece as music, not as a vehicle for display.

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On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:57:14 PM UTC-8, ljk...@aol.com wrote:

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:48:35 PM UTC-6, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8vlkyw909z5jgr6/Here%20Comes%20Mephisto%21.mp3?dl=0

What do you think?

Holy jumping J.C. What power. And intense involvement
in the piece as music, not as a vehicle for display.

BTW this is the Busoni version.

dk

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On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 8:15:18 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:57:14 PM UTC-8, ljk...@aol.com wrote:

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:48:35 PM UTC-6, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8vlkyw909z5jgr6/Here%20Comes%20Mephisto%21.mp3?dl=0

What do you think?

Holy jumping J.C. What power. And intense involvement
in the piece as music, not as a vehicle for display.

BTW this is the Busoni version.

More by the same pianist:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xtr0b2giqeihlhv/Liszt%20L%C3%A9gendes.m4a?dl=0

dk

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On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:57:14 PM UTC-8, ljk...@aol.com wrote:

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:48:35 PM UTC-6, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8vlkyw909z5jgr6/Here%20Comes%20Mephisto%21.mp3?dl=0

What do you think?

Holy jumping J.C. What power. And intense involvement
in the piece as music, not as a vehicle for display.

Thanks for listening. Glad you enjoyed it.
BTW this is a live performance.

dk

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Op woensdag 11 januari 2023 om 19:48:35 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8vlkyw909z5jgr6/Here%20Comes%20Mephisto%21.mp3?dl=0

What do you think?

A not so clean performance of one of Busoni's less successful transcriptions. The performer seems to be carried away by her own performance, that's what makes this version of the Dance in the Village Inn interesting.

Henk

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On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 2:29:15 AM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 2:12:04 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

Op woensdag 11 januari 2023 om 19:48:35 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8vlkyw909z5jgr6/Here%20Comes%20Mephisto%21.mp3?dl=0

What do you think?

A not so clean performance of one of Busoni's less successful transcriptions.
The performer seems to be carried away by her own performance, that's what makes this version of the Dance in the Village Inn interesting.

?!? "her" ?!?

"Not so clean" for a live performance ?!?

Do you know anyone besides Volodos
who could play it "cleanly" in front of
a live audience?

dl

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On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 2:12:04 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

Op woensdag 11 januari 2023 om 19:48:35 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8vlkyw909z5jgr6/Here%20Comes%20Mephisto%21.mp3?dl=0

What do you think?

A not so clean performance of one of Busoni's less successful transcriptions. The performer seems to be carried away by her own performance, that's what makes this version of the Dance in the Village Inn interesting.

?!? "her" ?!?

dk

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On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 5:37:19 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 2:29:15 AM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 2:12:04 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

Op woensdag 11 januari 2023 om 19:48:35 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8vlkyw909z5jgr6/Here%20Comes%20Mephisto%21.mp3?dl=0

What do you think?

A not so clean performance of one of Busoni's less successful transcriptions.
The performer seems to be carried away by her own performance, that's what
makes this version of the Dance in the Village Inn interesting.

?!? "her" ?!?

"Not so clean" for a live performance ?!?

Do you know anyone besides Volodos
who could play it "cleanly" in front of
a live audience?

dl

Threads like this one remind me, for some reason, of a bullfighter waving a big red cape. Then when the bull runs toward the cape the waver sticks a spear into the bull.

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Threads like this one remind me, for some reason, of a bullfighter waving a big red cape. Then when the bull runs toward the cape the waver sticks a spear into the bull

I was showing off, John, breaking a fundamental Taoist rule. That always comes with a risk - a risk I have been happy to take since the first 'mystery pianist' I participated in.

Henk

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Do you know anyone besides Volodos
who could play it "cleanly" in front of
a live audience?

I don't know anyone who would play this version. The original is far better, imho.

Henk

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Op donderdag 12 januari 2023 om 11:29:15 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:

?!? "her" ?!?

<g> I thought I recognized 'her' performance. My mistake.

Henk

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JohnGavin schrieb am Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2023 um 13:06:14 UTC+1:

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 5:37:19 AM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 2:29:15 AM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 2:12:04 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

Op woensdag 11 januari 2023 om 19:48:35 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8vlkyw909z5jgr6/Here%20Comes%20Mephisto%21.mp3?dl=0

What do you think?

A not so clean performance of one of Busoni's less successful transcriptions.
The performer seems to be carried away by her own performance, that's what
makes this version of the Dance in the Village Inn interesting.

?!? "her" ?!?

"Not so clean" for a live performance ?!?

Do you know anyone besides Volodos
who could play it "cleanly" in front of
a live audience?

dl

Threads like this one remind me, for some reason, of a bullfighter waving a big red cape. Then when the bull runs toward the cape the waver sticks a spear into the bull.

You moron... offended by literally nothing...

Dan said "?!? her ?!?" because he couldn't understand how Henk (who seems to know a bit about pianists) came up with this idea (as there is nothing that suggests that the pianist is a female, besides Henk probably thinking of a specific pianist after
listening to the performance). No reason to be offended at all.

I don't want to listen to this piece, as I don't like the original nor busoni's transcription, but ""not so clean" for a live performance ?!?" seems to be a reasonable remark as this piece is obviously difficult. And Dan is just wondering how Henk would
say such things (nonsense to be precise), as there aren't many pianists capable of performing it cleanly in live performance (besides Volodos).

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hvt...@xs4all.nl schrieb am Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2023 um 13:15:49 UTC+1:

Do you know anyone besides Volodos
who could play it "cleanly" in front of
a live audience?

I don't know anyone who would play this version. The original is far better, imho.

Henk

Since you made the point that it wasn't played cleanly, how about you list some live performances that made you think that this performance wasn't cleany played.

We need a point of reference for your nonsense.

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Op donderdag 12 januari 2023 om 13:32:25 UTC+1 schreef Marc S:

Henk, as usual, you don't address the points made - be it Dan, Frank or myself etc.

Should I have answered Hamelin? Would that have been more informative?

Henk

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hvt...@xs4all.nl schrieb am Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2023 um 13:15:49 UTC+1:

Do you know anyone besides Volodos
who could play it "cleanly" in front of
a live audience?

I don't know anyone who would play this version. The original is far better, imho.

Henk

Henk, as usual, you don't address the points made - be it Dan, Frank or myself etc.

Dan asked a specific question "Do you know someone who could play it cleanly infrotn of a live audience?" - instead of answering it, you just come up with nonsense that is completely unrelated to the question (I don't think you're just trying to be funny
here, but you are avoiding Dan's question by being an idiot: "I don't know anyone who would play thsi version" - alright,but it seems you know idiots who listen to it (and I am not talking about Dan here ;) )

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We need a point of reference for your nonsense.

Isn't that a contradiction?

Henk

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Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2023 um 13:39:21 UTC+1:

hvt...@xs4all.nl schrieb am Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2023 um 13:15:49 UTC+1:

Do you know anyone besides Volodos
who could play it "cleanly" in front of
a live audience?

I don't know anyone who would play this version. The original is far better, imho.

Henk

Since you made the point that it wasn't played cleanly, how about you list some live performances that made you think that this performance wasn't cleany played.

We need a point of reference for your nonsense.

*a point of reference to decide whether your point has any value.

I am not interested anyway, since I don't care for this piece. But oh god... is this place populated by absolute idiots (Dan, Frank, Bob and Oscar are the only ones I can think of right now, that are in one way or the other reasonable)... smug guys, self
righteous, lacking in self awareness etc.

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hvt...@xs4all.nl schrieb am Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2023 um 13:44:20 UTC+1:

We need a point of reference for your nonsense.

Isn't that a contradiction?

Henk

I have corrected my wording. I have to admit that I'm not really fluent in english, I don't think too much when writing in english (I should change this!) - I really can't express myself in english anywhere near as in German.

Now, since I answered your question, how about you answer mine and list some live performances to prove your point.

I'm quite sure you won't

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hvt...@xs4all.nl schrieb am Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2023 um 13:44:20 UTC+1:

We need a point of reference for your nonsense.

Isn't that a contradiction?

Henk

Henk, you lack "gezonde Verstand"

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Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2023 um 13:44:49 UTC+1:

Marc S schrieb am Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2023 um 13:39:21 UTC+1:

hvt...@xs4all.nl schrieb am Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2023 um 13:15:49 UTC+1:

Do you know anyone besides Volodos
who could play it "cleanly" in front of
a live audience?

I don't know anyone who would play this version. The original is far better, imho.

Henk

Since you made the point that it wasn't played cleanly, how about you list some live performances that made you think that this performance wasn't cleany played.

We need a point of reference for your nonsense.

*a point of reference to decide whether your point has any value.

I am not interested anyway, since I don't care for this piece. But oh god... is this place populated by absolute idiots (Dan, Frank, Bob and Oscar are the only ones I can think of right now, that are in one way or the other reasonable)... smug guys,

self righteous, lacking in self awareness etc.

*count mswd among Dan etc ;D forgot about him

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I am not interested anyway, since I don't care for this piece. But oh god... is this place populated by absolute idiots (Dan, Frank, Bob and Oscar are the only ones I can think of right now, that are in one way or the other reasonable)... smug guys,

self righteous, lacking in self awareness etc.

*count mswd among Dan etc ;D forgot about him

I'll leave it to you to decide whether this version is clearer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlRFj_OjUEU

Henk

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just realized "Gezond Verstand" is actually a newspaper in the netherlands; I don't read it, and from what I read on wiki they are bullshit.

But honestly... that people in the 21st century are discussing things like cutting off tits of kids or putting kids on hormone blockers etc... what happened to common sense, people?

Really lovely in this regard was also how John Gavin downplayed putting kids on hormone blockers and hormone therapy (which can lead to sterilisation) and cutting of their tits by mentioning "circumcision"... lol... John Gavin the same guy who went mad
over trump supporters on jan 6, is surprisingly silent about, or rather supportive of the mutilation of children - probably because it's legalized by some authority and deemed "good" by the left...

Similar to how Henk just swallows everything the leftist media tells us about Amnesty (which does "some" good things, but in general, it's a fucked up institution that is antisemitic)

Common sense should tell people that men can't become women...

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On 2023-01-12 12:28:05 +0000, HT said:

Op donderdag 12 januari 2023 om 11:29:15 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:

?!? "her" ?!?

<g> I thought I recognized 'her' performance. My mistake.

Henk

There was a time where, if the gender of some unknown or hypothetical
person were to be mentioned, they would use 'she/her' instead of the
'he/him' to raise awareness of toxic patriarchy.

That seems to be passé now, with adoption of "preferred pronouns," and
perhaps neutral pronouns, so, I suppose, Henk should have said: I
thought I recognized 'its' performance.

-Owen, Gender Police.

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hvt...@xs4all.nl schrieb am Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2023 um 13:15:49 UTC+1:

Do you know anyone besides Volodos
who could play it "cleanly" in front of
a live audience?

I don't know anyone who would play this version. The original is far better, imho.

Henk

tbh Henk, there was nothing wrong with what you said here ;D and I should have reacted a bit differently. But you are missing Dan's points (which are criticising your perception)

And another thing is how you contradict yourself in the way you act: you dismiss the piece, by saying that you don't know anyone who would play this version, but then you are listening to it after obviously having realized which version it is. So, I just
thought one should put in back in your place ;) There is nothing wrong with your opinion about the piece, that's not what I criticise, but how you act contradictory.(I don't think btw, that you really were trying to show off - well, maybe I'm wrong and
you really are a douche - but making a funny comment. And also not revealing, so Dan would be able to further manipulate people ;)

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I still think though, that in some cases you have a smug attitude (wrt to Israel and Antisemitism etc) and I really have a problem with such attitude.

I appreciate that you have whittled down your objections to these points. We'll speak to each other again, later, in another thread - perhaps?

Henk

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hvt...@xs4all.nl schrieb am Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2023 um 16:50:07 UTC+1:

I am not interested anyway, since I don't care for this piece. But oh god... is this place populated by absolute idiots (Dan, Frank, Bob and Oscar are the only ones I can think of right now, that are in one way or the other reasonable)... smug guys,

self righteous, lacking in self awareness etc.

*count mswd among Dan etc ;D forgot about him

I'll leave it to you to decide whether this version is clearer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlRFj_OjUEU

Henk

I am sorry. Nevermind. I don't like the piece. I am thankful though, that you invested your time etc. I was an idiot in that regard and shouldn't have said anything, nevermind ;D

I still think though, that in some cases you have a smug attitude (wrt to Israel and Antisemitism etc) and I really have a problem with such attitude

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Op donderdag 12 januari 2023 om 19:55:30 UTC+1 schreef Owen Hartnett:

On 2023-01-12 12:28:05 +0000, HT said:

Op donderdag 12 januari 2023 om 11:29:15 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:

?!? "her" ?!?

<g> I thought I recognized 'her' performance. My mistake.

Henk

There was a time where, if the gender of some unknown or hypothetical
person were to be mentioned, they would use 'she/her' instead of the 'he/him' to raise awareness of toxic patriarchy.

That seems to be passé now, with adoption of "preferred pronouns," and perhaps neutral pronouns, so, I suppose, Henk should have said: I
thought I recognized 'its' performance.

-Owen, Gender Police.

Recently, someone suggested always using the plural "they" to accommodate those who believe that their gender is plural, is represented by more colours of the rainbow.

An added benefit is that "There they are!" no longer hurts the feelings of those who are alone and lonely.

Henk

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hvt...@xs4all.nl schrieb am Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2023 um 20:53:18 UTC+1:

I still think though, that in some cases you have a smug attitude (wrt to Israel and Antisemitism etc) and I really have a problem with such attitude.

I appreciate that you have whittled down your objections to these points. We'll speak to each other again, later, in another thread - perhaps?

Henk

Who knows, I sure don't want to, but sometimes I'm weak and then try teach even the unteachables (you, mswd, Herman et al) - looking in this ng fo recs, and sometimes I just get caught up in the moment with absolute idiots ;D

Another thing to add is: Taoist and Buddhist ideology is the ideology of smug people ;D having lost all touch with reality, yet teaching the world some childlike fantasies...

think Karajan, Celibidache and Dalai Lama... wrt to Buddhism... smug smug people.

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On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 4:15:49 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

Do you know anyone besides Volodos
who could play it "cleanly" in front of
a live audience?

I don't know anyone who would play this
version. The original is far better, imho.

IMHO Busoni's version has dimensions
the original does not. It sounds more
"orchestral" than the original to my ears.

Egon Petri and Gunnar Johansen used to
perform the Busoni version, and Horowitz
made his own version of it, which I do not
like as much as the one I posted earlier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsuauWuh_nI

There is another version derived from
the Busoni version by Leonid Egorov.

dk

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On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 11:34:30 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 4:15:49 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

Do you know anyone besides Volodos
who could play it "cleanly" in front of
a live audience?

I don't know anyone who would play this
version. The original is far better, imho.

IMHO Busoni's version has dimensions
the original does not. It sounds more
"orchestral" than the original to my ears.

Egon Petri and Gunnar Johansen used to
perform the Busoni version, and Horowitz
made his own version of it, which I do not
like as much as the one I posted earlier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsuauWuh_nI

There is another version derived from
the Busoni version by Leonid Egorov.

Here is a link to a better recording of
the Horowitz version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um1OmSQi_P4

dk

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Op vrijdag 13 januari 2023 om 08:42:48 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:

Here is a link to a better recording of
the Horowitz version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um1OmSQi_P4

'Gurwitz' is a remarkable pianist, even if you follow him closely with the score.

I agree that the Busoni version is more orchestral. IMO it lacks the leanness and meanness of the original version, compared to this recording by Cziffra, especially the leggiero molto:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjGlO0-3c_Y

Henk

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