• Re: Brahms at the piano

    From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to cdc on Fri Jan 6 12:38:04 2023
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 12:30:05 PM UTC-8, cdc wrote:
    Brahms himself played the first performance of his 1st Piano Concerto on
    22 January 1859 in Hannover.
    Who knows how he played the piano? On that occasion and in general.

    (Y. upload):

    "How Did Brahms Play The Piano?"

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to cdc on Fri Jan 6 12:42:08 2023
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 12:30:05 PM UTC-8, cdc wrote:
    Brahms himself played the first performance of his 1st Piano Concerto on
    22 January 1859 in Hannover.
    Who knows how he played the piano? On that occasion and in general.

    "Brahms Speaks and Plays in 1889 Recording":

    https://catapultingintoclassical.wordpress.com/2015/11/30/brahms-speaks-and-plays-in-1889-recording/comment-page-1/

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  • From cdc@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 6 20:30:01 2023
    Brahms himself played the first performance of his 1st Piano Concerto on
    22 January 1859 in Hannover.
    Who knows how he played the piano? On that occasion and in general.

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  • From Owen Hartnett@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 6 15:49:17 2023
    Isn't there an early Edison recording of him? Is it just speech, or
    did he sit down and play a spell?

    -Owen

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to cdc on Fri Jan 6 12:37:08 2023
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 9:30:05 PM UTC+1, cdc wrote:

    Who knows how he played the piano?

    From left to right?

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Owen Hartnett on Fri Jan 6 14:06:42 2023
    On 2023-01-06 1:49 p.m., Owen Hartnett wrote:
    Isn't there an early Edison recording of him?  Is it just speech, or did
    he sit down and play a spell?

    -Owen

    Both. It's something like: "My name is Brahms, Johannes Brahms - bang,
    bang, bang bang......."
    I don't think anyone has been able to determine what he was playing.

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 6 13:24:07 2023
    Op vrijdag 6 januari 2023 om 22:06:47 UTC+1 schreef Graham:
    On 2023-01-06 1:49 p.m., Owen Hartnett wrote:
    Isn't there an early Edison recording of him? Is it just speech, or did
    he sit down and play a spell?

    -Owen

    Both. It's something like: "My name is Brahms, Johannes Brahms - bang,
    bang, bang bang......."
    I don't think anyone has been able to determine what he was playing.

    One of his Hungarian dances, afaik.

    Henk

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 6 13:28:38 2023
    Op vrijdag 6 januari 2023 om 22:24:10 UTC+1 schreef HT:
    Op vrijdag 6 januari 2023 om 22:06:47 UTC+1 schreef Graham:
    On 2023-01-06 1:49 p.m., Owen Hartnett wrote:
    Isn't there an early Edison recording of him? Is it just speech, or did he sit down and play a spell?

    -Owen

    Both. It's something like: "My name is Brahms, Johannes Brahms - bang, bang, bang bang......."
    I don't think anyone has been able to determine what he was playing.
    One of his Hungarian dances, afaik.

    Henk

    One solo, the other with Joachim. He seems to have a rather light tone. Joachim on the contrary has a full and warm tone.

    G8, many thanks for the link!

    Henk

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  • From Tatonik@21:1/5 to cdc on Mon Jan 9 01:33:38 2023
    On 1/6/23 2:30 PM, cdc wrote:

    Brahms himself played the first performance of his 1st Piano Concerto on
    22 January 1859 in Hannover.
    Who knows how he played the piano? On that occasion and in general.

    A few minutes ago on the radio I heard a performance of the cadenza
    Brahms wrote for Beethoven's Piano Concerto No. 4. This recording was
    just the cadenza, not the full movement, so no orchestra. For a moment something about it made me think I knew what Brahms was like as a
    pianist - and it wasn't like the pianist who was performing the cadenza
    in the recording. A composition to compliment another composer's work
    was more revealing of Brahms's pianistic temperament, somehow, than his
    own solo piano music was, but I couldn't explain how, and this notion
    soon dissipated, like a mirage.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Tatonik on Sun Jan 8 23:42:57 2023
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 11:33:43 PM UTC-8, Tatonik wrote:
    On 1/6/23 2:30 PM, cdc wrote:

    Brahms himself played the first performance of his 1st Piano Concerto on
    22 January 1859 in Hannover.
    Who knows how he played the piano? On that occasion and in general.
    A few minutes ago on the radio I heard a performance of the cadenza
    Brahms wrote for Beethoven's Piano Concerto No. 4. This recording was
    just the cadenza, not the full movement, so no orchestra. For a moment something about it made me think I knew what Brahms was like as a
    pianist - and it wasn't like the pianist who was performing the cadenza
    in the recording. A composition to compliment another composer's work
    was more revealing of Brahms's pianistic temperament, somehow, than his
    own solo piano music was, but I couldn't explain how, and this notion
    soon dissipated, like a mirage.

    Is this the recording you are refrring to?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqzX-M7PneE

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Sun Jan 8 23:46:37 2023
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 11:43:00 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 11:33:43 PM UTC-8, Tatonik wrote:
    On 1/6/23 2:30 PM, cdc wrote:

    Brahms himself played the first performance of his 1st Piano Concerto on 22 January 1859 in Hannover.
    Who knows how he played the piano? On that occasion and in general.
    A few minutes ago on the radio I heard a performance of the cadenza
    Brahms wrote for Beethoven's Piano Concerto No. 4. This recording was
    just the cadenza, not the full movement, so no orchestra. For a moment something about it made me think I knew what Brahms was like as a
    pianist - and it wasn't like the pianist who was performing the cadenza
    in the recording. A composition to compliment another composer's work
    was more revealing of Brahms's pianistic temperament, somehow, than his
    own solo piano music was, but I couldn't explain how, and this notion
    soon dissipated, like a mirage.

    Is this the recording you are refrring to?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqzX-M7PneE

    Or this one?

    https://youtu.be/TJGoSs94SMw?t=567

    dk

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 9 02:47:16 2023
    I love the phrase "at the piano".... it's so retro.

    Like all those Heifetz recordings "With Brooks Smith at the piano"

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Mon Jan 9 09:46:41 2023
    On 1/9/2023 5:47 AM, Andy Evans wrote:
    I love the phrase "at the piano".... it's so retro.

    Like all those Heifetz recordings "With Brooks Smith at the piano"

    While they were "under the baton of...."

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