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  • Which composers had Asperger?

    From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 5 00:19:47 2023
    TIA

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to dan....gmail.com on Thu Jan 5 01:58:54 2023
    On Thursday, 5 January 2023 at 19:19:50 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
    TIA

    Bohuslav Martinu was definitely one who was identified as having Asperger's syndrome, which is a primary diagnosis of varying degrees of autistic severity. As some may know, Martinu was a full-on neo classical composer, with a very distinct and unique
    sound palette. Einstein and Mozart were also said to be afflicted in some way.

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From MELMOTH@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 5 11:40:41 2023
    raymond....@gmail.com a pensé très fort :
    Einstein and Mozart were also said to be afflicted in some way.

    And Glenn Gould, the referred pianist of koko, as everyone knows...

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to raymond....@gmail.com on Thu Jan 5 11:20:52 2023
    On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 1:58:58 AM UTC-8, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, 5 January 2023 at 19:19:50 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
    TIA

    Bohuslav Martinu was definitely one who was identified as having Asperger's syndrome, which is a primary diagnosis of varying degrees of autistic severity.
    As some may know, Martinu was a full-on neo classical composer, with a very distinct and unique sound palette. Einstein and Mozart were also said to be afflicted in some way.

    Thanks! How about Bruckner?

    dk

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 5 15:23:29 2023
    Op donderdag 5 januari 2023 om 20:20:55 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
    On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 1:58:58 AM UTC-8, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, 5 January 2023 at 19:19:50 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
    TIA

    Bohuslav Martinu was definitely one who was identified as having Asperger's syndrome, which is a primary diagnosis of varying degrees of autistic severity.
    As some may know, Martinu was a full-on neo classical composer, with a very distinct and unique sound palette. Einstein and Mozart were also said to be afflicted in some way.
    Thanks! How about Bruckner?

    dk

    Beethoven, so it seems.

    Henk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to hvt...@xs4all.nl on Thu Jan 5 17:46:10 2023
    On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:23:32 PM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Op donderdag 5 januari 2023 om 20:20:55 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
    On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 1:58:58 AM UTC-8, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, 5 January 2023 at 19:19:50 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
    TIA

    Bohuslav Martinu was definitely one who was identified as having Asperger's
    syndrome, which is a primary diagnosis of varying degrees of autistic severity.
    As some may know, Martinu was a full-on neo classical composer, with a very
    distinct and unique sound palette. Einstein and Mozart were also said to be
    afflicted in some way.

    Thanks! How about Bruckner?

    Beethoven, so it seems.

    Thanks! Didn't Berlioz suffer
    from every imaginable mind
    affliction? I ask the question ...

    dk

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  • From Jeanne Douglas@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Thu Jan 5 20:42:43 2023
    On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 8:46:13 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:23:32 PM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Op donderdag 5 januari 2023 om 20:20:55 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
    On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 1:58:58 AM UTC-8, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, 5 January 2023 at 19:19:50 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
    TIA

    Bohuslav Martinu was definitely one who was identified as having Asperger's
    syndrome, which is a primary diagnosis of varying degrees of autistic severity.
    As some may know, Martinu was a full-on neo classical composer, with a very
    distinct and unique sound palette. Einstein and Mozart were also said to be
    afflicted in some way.

    Thanks! How about Bruckner?

    Beethoven, so it seems.

    Thanks! Didn't Berlioz suffer
    from every imaginable mind
    affliction? I ask the question ...

    dk


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  • From Oscar@21:1/5 to deekay on Fri Jan 6 01:34:54 2023
    On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 1:20:55 PM, deekay wrote:

    Thanks! How about Bruckner?

    How dare you, Sir.

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Fri Jan 6 01:20:28 2023
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 10:17:32 AM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:


    In any case it's all speculation.

    and rather unethical, but what can you expect?

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to hvt...@xs4all.nl on Fri Jan 6 01:17:29 2023
    On Thursday, 5 January 2023 at 23:23:32 UTC, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Beethoven, so it seems.

    Henk

    I don't believe that for one moment. Beethoven is full of emotion, and a genuine heartfelt feel for music, not an "intellectual" one.

    There will always be academics writing PhDs etc with a 'unique" view of history. This is quite likely one of them.

    In any case it's all speculation.

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 6 03:45:43 2023
    Op vrijdag 6 januari 2023 om 10:17:32 UTC+1 schreef Andy Evans:
    On Thursday, 5 January 2023 at 23:23:32 UTC, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Beethoven, so it seems.

    Henk
    I don't believe that for one moment. Beethoven is full of emotion, and a genuine heartfelt feel for music, not an "intellectual" one.

    There will always be academics writing PhDs etc with a 'unique" view of history. This is quite likely one of them.

    In any case it's all speculation.

    It is a Dutch biography written by a certain Heijder, titled "Was Beethoven an Asperger?". Van Zweden and his wife (who have an autistic child) seem to agree.

    As you say, it is all speculation. But do history and psychology know any form of truth other than probability?

    Henk

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to hvt...@xs4all.nl on Fri Jan 6 04:32:17 2023
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 12:45:47 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

    It is a Dutch biography written by a certain Heijder, titled "Was Beethoven an Asperger?". Van Zweden and his wife (who have an autistic child) seem to agree.

    As you say, it is all speculation. But do history and psychology know any form of truth other than probability?

    Henk

    This Heijder has no degree in psychology. He's a school teacher.
    He claims to have asperger himself, and he likes Beethoven, so putting those two things together led him to conclude Beethoven had asperger.

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  • From Gerard@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 6 13:37:17 2023
    Op 2023-01-06 om 13:32 schreef Herman:
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 12:45:47 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

    It is a Dutch biography written by a certain Heijder, titled "Was Beethoven an Asperger?". Van Zweden and his wife (who have an autistic child) seem to agree.

    As you say, it is all speculation. But do history and psychology know any form of truth other than probability?

    Henk

    This Heijder has no degree in psychology. He's a school teacher.
    He claims to have asperger himself, and he likes Beethoven, so putting those two things together led him to conclude Beethoven had asperger.

    Which could let me to conclude that Beethoven had a beard ;-)

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 6 06:06:16 2023
    This Heijder has no degree in psychology. He's a school teacher.
    He claims to have asperger himself, and he likes Beethoven, so putting those two things together led him to conclude Beethoven had asperger.

    Is it that simple? I can imagine that someone who is Asperger and recognises himself in a historical figure would want to investigate if there is a similarity.

    Whether, as an Asperger, he needs to be a qualified historian and psychologist to do research is questionable. These days, much value is placed on experts by experience.

    It is totally unclear to me what performers are supposed to do with the results. Is there any way to sing or conduct the "Ode an die Freude" in Asperger style?

    Henk

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 6 06:21:59 2023
    Op vrijdag 6 januari 2023 om 15:19:55 UTC+1 schreef Herman:
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 3:06:19 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:


    It is totally unclear to me what performers are supposed to do with the results. Is there any way to sing or conduct the "Ode an die Freude" in Asperger style?

    monotonously?

    Some succeed in doing that without Asperger ...

    henk

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to hvt...@xs4all.nl on Fri Jan 6 06:19:53 2023
    On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 3:06:19 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:


    It is totally unclear to me what performers are supposed to do with the results. Is there any way to sing or conduct the "Ode an die Freude" in Asperger style?

    monotonously?

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