I've never really warmed to Pollini's 1970s late Beethoven sonatas,
esteemed though they are. So it was for dutiful re-evaluation that I put
on the remastering of the Hammerklavier when it appeared on Qobuz as a
"new release".
Bloody Hell! I misjudged, pretty soon my heart was pumping as though I'd drunk too much coffee and I was completely swept along. Best
Hammerklavier ever.
But wait! This isn't a remastering, but a new recording. Okay, Pollini
is never going to be warm or affectionate but this sounds like balls-out playing with the kind of verve I typically miss from him (especially in Beethoven).
There's a review in the Grauniad here:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/dec/08/beethoven-piano-sonatas-op-101-op-106-hammerklavier-review-maurizio-pollini
Surprise 2022 disc of the year for me then.
On 12/31/22 2:33 AM, Alex Brown wrote:
I've never really warmed to Pollini's 1970s late Beethoven sonatas, esteemed though they are. So it was for dutiful re-evaluation that I put
on the remastering of the Hammerklavier when it appeared on Qobuz as a
"new release".
Bloody Hell! I misjudged, pretty soon my heart was pumping as though I'd drunk too much coffee and I was completely swept along. Best
Hammerklavier ever.
But wait! This isn't a remastering, but a new recording. Okay, Pollini
is never going to be warm or affectionate but this sounds like balls-out playing with the kind of verve I typically miss from him (especially in Beethoven).
There's a review in the Grauniad here:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/dec/08/beethoven-piano-sonatas-op-101-op-106-hammerklavier-review-maurizio-pollini
Surprise 2022 disc of the year for me then.
If we wait a few moments, I'm sure Dan will correct your error :).
I've never really warmed to Pollini's 1970s late Beethoven sonatas,
esteemed though they are. So it was for dutiful re-evaluation that I put
on the remastering of the Hammerklavier when it appeared on Qobuz as a
"new release".
Bloody Hell! I misjudged, pretty soon my heart was pumping as though I'd drunk too much coffee and I was completely swept along. Best
Hammerklavier ever.
But wait! This isn't a remastering, but a new recording. Okay, Pollini
is never going to be warm or affectionate but this sounds like balls-out playing with the kind of verve I typically miss from him (especially in Beethoven).
There's a review in the Grauniad here:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/dec/08/beethoven-piano-sonatas-op-101-op-106-hammerklavier-review-maurizio-pollini
Surprise 2022 disc of the year for me then.
Horrible music!
On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 9:04:10 AM UTC-8, Bob Harper wrote:
If we wait a few moments, I'm sure Dan will correct your error :).
Waste of time.
On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 2:37:06 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 9:04:10 AM UTC-8, Bob Harper wrote:
If we wait a few moments, I'm sure Dan will correct your error :).
Waste of time.
... in your opinion, of course...
On 1/1/2023 5:15 PM, Paul Alsing wrote:
On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 2:37:06 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 9:04:10 AM UTC-8, Bob Harper wrote:
If we wait a few moments, I'm sure Dan will correct your error :).
Waste of time.
... in your opinion, of course...
You do not need to tell him that what he says is his opinion. He knows that. Everybody knows that.
On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 2:47:19 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/1/2023 5:15 PM, Paul Alsing wrote:
On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 2:37:06 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 9:04:10 AM UTC-8, Bob Harper wrote:
If we wait a few moments, I'm sure Dan will correct your error :).
Waste of time.
... in your opinion, of course...
You do not need to tell him that what he says is his opinion. He knows that. Everybody knows that.
Sometimes I wonder about that......
On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 3:29:25 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/1/2023 6:20 PM, Paul Alsing wrote:
On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 2:47:19 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/1/2023 5:15 PM, Paul Alsing wrote:
On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 2:37:06 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 9:04:10 AM UTC-8, Bob Harper wrote: >>>
If we wait a few moments, I'm sure Dan will correct your error :). >>>Waste of time.
... in your opinion, of course...
You do not need to tell him that what he says is his opinion. He knows that. Everybody knows that.
It does not matter at all... but it needs to be reinforced that his shit stinks, just like everyone else's shit stinks... opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink...Sometimes I wonder about that...What does it matter if he thinks is opinion is fact?
On 1/1/2023 6:20 PM, Paul Alsing wrote:
On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 2:47:19 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
On 1/1/2023 5:15 PM, Paul Alsing wrote:
On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 2:37:06 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 9:04:10 AM UTC-8, Bob Harper wrote: >>>
If we wait a few moments, I'm sure Dan will correct your error :).
Waste of time.
... in your opinion, of course...
You do not need to tell him that what he says is his opinion. He knows that. Everybody knows that.
Sometimes I wonder about that...
What does it matter if he thinks is opinion is fact?
Horrible music!
Isn't there a bit in a novel (Jonathan Franzen?) where somebody accompanies their vacuuming chores by
having the fugue from the Hammerklavier playing on one sound system, and at the same time, the Grosse
Fugue on another ?
And I hate to disappoint you, I thought Roth's slimbooks, from The Dying Animalinsky onwards, were really tapering off fast.
On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 11:42:28 PM, Alex Brown wrote:
Isn't there a bit in a novel (Jonathan Franzen?) where somebody accompanies their vacuuming chores byHorrible author! A man TIME magazine put on the cover and dubbed the Great American Novelist (August 23, 2010) _and_ he was selected by Oprah's Book Club? I'm outta there! herman and I prefer Philip Roth.
having the fugue from the Hammerklavier playing on one sound system, and at the same time, the Grosse
Fugue on another ?
On Sunday, 1 January 2023 at 20:20:19 UTC, Mandryka wrote:
Horrible music!
Wonderfully horrible.
Isn't there a bit in a novel (Jonathan Franzen?) where somebody accompanies their vacuuming chores by having the fugue from the Hammerklavier playing on one sound system, and at the same time, the Grosse Fugue on another ?
On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 8:55:35 AM UTC+1, Herman wrote:the piano while his terminally ill girlfriend danced in the nude, and I guess he had a third hand to pleasure himself while tickling the ivories....
And I hate to disappoint you, I thought Roth's slimbooks, from The Dying Animalinsky onwards, were really tapering off fast.Particularly the scenes in The Dying A, where Kepesh at a ripe old age is learning to play the Beethoven piano sonatas from scratch, without the aid of a teacher, spectacularly failed to suspend disbelief. But then he upped the ante by having K. play
On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 8:55:35 AM UTC+1, Herman wrote:the piano while his terminally ill girlfriend danced in the nude, and I guess he had a third hand to pleasure himself while tickling the ivories...
And I hate to disappoint you, I thought Roth's slimbooks, from The Dying Animalinsky onwards, were really tapering off fast.Particularly the scenes in The Dying A, where Kepesh at a ripe old age is learning to play the Beethoven piano sonatas from scratch, without the aid of a teacher, spectacularly failed to suspend disbelief. But then he upped the ante by having K. play
On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 8:55:35 AM UTC+1, Herman wrote:the piano while his terminally ill girlfriend danced in the nude, and I guess he had a third hand to pleasure himself while tickling the ivories. ..
And I hate to disappoint you, I thought Roth's slimbooks, from The Dying Animalinsky onwards, were really tapering off fast.Particularly the scenes in The Dying A, where Kepesh at a ripe old age is learning to play the Beethoven piano sonatas from scratch, without the aid of a teacher, spectacularly failed to suspend disbelief. But then he upped the ante by having K. play
opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink...
On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 8:30:00 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink...Even reviewers' ?!?
I ask the question .....
On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 6:05:55 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 8:30:00 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink...
Even reviewers' ?!?
I ask the question .....
Aren't reviewers just giving their opinions? Even if
they are widely accepted as experts in their field,
it is *still* an opinion. Stated another way, do all
*experts" always agree with each other about the
"best" version of any particular piece of music? I
think not...
Having said that, I do look to reviewers for help in
guiding me to worthy versions of various works,
even though the results are occasionally wrong...
in my own opinion!
On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 7:30:21 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 6:05:55 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 8:30:00 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink...
Even reviewers' ?!?
I ask the question .....
Aren't reviewers just giving their opinions? Even if
they are widely accepted as experts in their field,
it is *still* an opinion. Stated another way, do all
*experts" always agree with each other about the
"best" version of any particular piece of music? I
think not...
Having said that, I do look to reviewers for help in
guiding me to worthy versions of various works,
even though the results are occasionally wrong...
in my own opinion!
I asked whether reviewers are assholes.
The opinion angle is too obvious to
mention. So, are reviewers assholes?
dk
On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 11:09:38 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:55:08 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 7:30:21 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 6:05:55 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 8:30:00 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink...
Even reviewers' ?!?
I ask the question .....
Aren't reviewers just giving their opinions? Even if
they are widely accepted as experts in their field,
it is *still* an opinion. Stated another way, do all
*experts" always agree with each other about the
"best" version of any particular piece of music? I
think not...
Having said that, I do look to reviewers for help in
guiding me to worthy versions of various works,
even though the results are occasionally wrong...
in my own opinion!
I asked whether reviewers are assholes.
Not in my view, no, you did not...
The opinion angle is too obvious to
mention. So, are reviewers assholes?
Not in my opinion, no... they are simplyDidn't you say a moment earlier
sharing their own opinions... isn't this
obvious?
"opinions are like assholes" ?!?
dk
On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:55:08 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 7:30:21 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 6:05:55 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 8:30:00 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink...
Even reviewers' ?!?
I ask the question .....
Aren't reviewers just giving their opinions? Even if
they are widely accepted as experts in their field,
it is *still* an opinion. Stated another way, do all
*experts" always agree with each other about the
"best" version of any particular piece of music? I
think not...
Having said that, I do look to reviewers for help in
guiding me to worthy versions of various works,
even though the results are occasionally wrong...
in my own opinion!
I asked whether reviewers are assholes.
Not in my view, no, you did not...
The opinion angle is too obvious to
mention. So, are reviewers assholes?
Not in my opinion, no... they are simply
sharing their own opinions... isn't this
obvious?
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