• OT - Is it possible to predict the future?

    From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 29 22:32:53 2022
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    "20th century was impossible to predict | Michael Malice and Lex Fridman"

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 29 23:11:22 2022
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    "20th century was impossible to predict"

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 30 09:15:11 2022
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 11:11:25 PM UTC-8, wrote:
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    "20th century was impossible to predict"

    Are we living on "borrowed time"?:

    https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/2001/quotes/

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 30 11:06:48 2022
    Are we living on "borrowed time"?:

    Interesting question, in the right context. Quantity as such (mass destruction as opposed to destruction) is no ground for a new view of what it is to live, be in time and borrow time.

    Henk

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 30 15:03:04 2022
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  • From Pluted Pup@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Fri Dec 30 14:08:21 2022
    On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 12:03:04 -0800, Frank Berger wrote:

    On 12/30/2022 2:06 PM, HT wrote:
    Are we living on "borrowed time"?:

    Interesting question, in the right context. Quantity as such (mass destruction as opposed to destruction) is no ground for a new view of what it is to live, be in time and borrow time.

    Henk

    One of my pet peeves (there are many) is when people speak about issues or situations as if they were all or nothing. "Living on borrowed time" seems to be used to say that current behavior (pollution, "excess" consumption, nuclear weapons, whatever
    floats your boat) is definitely going lead to doom. Well, that's possible, but less extreme outcomes are more likely. Sure it was not possible (at least quickly) for humans to end life on earth before the development of nuclear weapons. But to say that
    because they exist they will eventually be used is not correct. Just as 20th century technological advances were not predicted, so 21st century developments can only be guessed at. Improved solar cells and batteries, fusion, who knows what may happen? In
    making personal economic decisions, everyone trades off the current against the future. How much do you put into your 401K, IRA or bank account to provide for your (and your children's) future? It is true these private decisions don't
    generally take into account what economists call "externalities." Air pollution being the main one. But still, doom is not inevitable.

    I look forward to the extinction of the slogan "Death To Skeptics".

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to Frank Berger on Fri Dec 30 15:19:45 2022
    On Friday, 30 December 2022 at 20:03:17 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 12/30/2022 2:06 PM, HT wrote:
    Are we living on "borrowed time"?:

    .........But still, doom is not inevitable.
    Sorry, Andy.

    It's not me that will suffer the catastrophic failure of the human race to look after the planet. It's all the unlucky generations to come.

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 30 19:20:16 2022
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 11:11:25 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    (2022 Y. upload):

    "20th century was impossible to predict"

    The following recent article asks:

    - Where did it all go wrong for so much music of the 20th century?

    https://theamericanscholar.org/the-disappearing-modernists/

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sat Dec 31 09:20:10 2022
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 11:11:25 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    (2022 Y. upload):

    "20th century was impossible to predict"

    In the 1983 movie BLADE RUNNER which is set in 2019, there is a scene where Harrison Ford is reading a newspaper.

    When was the last time you saw THAT?

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  • From Pluted Pup@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sat Dec 31 13:52:58 2022
    On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 19:20:16 -0800, gggg gggg wrote:

    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 11:11:25 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    (2022 Y. upload):

    "20th century was impossible to predict"

    The following recent article asks:

    - Where did it all go wrong for so much music of the 20th century?

    https://theamericanscholar.org/the-disappearing-modernists/

    "avant-garde music was even financially supported and
    championed by a covert propaganda campaign by the CIA
    during the Cold Wars battle for hearts and minds."
    There you go, the CIA cut the funding for modernism.
    Without subsidies, modern art can't survive, to the
    disappointment of the scholars. And who would describe
    classical music as "tonal", but a modernist?

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  • From Pluted Pup@21:1/5 to Pluted Pup on Sat Dec 31 13:56:35 2022
    On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 13:40:09 -0800, Pluted Pup wrote:

    On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 09:20:10 -0800, gggg gggg wrote:

    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 11:11:25 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    (2022 Y. upload):

    "20th century was impossible to predict"

    In the 1983 movie BLADE RUNNER which is set in 2019, there is a scene where Harrison Ford is reading a newspaper.

    When was the last time you saw THAT?

    Newspapers are only read behind closed doors, cuz
    the tech geeks will attack you for it if they see it.

    Did Blade Runner predict tech geeks?

    Is a tech geek fundamentally different to a tech snob?
    Do questioners ever answer their own questions?

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  • From Pluted Pup@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sat Dec 31 13:40:09 2022
    On Sat, 31 Dec 2022 09:20:10 -0800, gggg gggg wrote:

    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 11:11:25 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    (2022 Y. upload):

    "20th century was impossible to predict"

    In the 1983 movie BLADE RUNNER which is set in 2019, there is a scene where Harrison Ford is reading a newspaper.

    When was the last time you saw THAT?

    Newspapers are only read behind closed doors, cuz
    the tech geeks will attack you for it if they see it.

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Pluted Pup on Sat Dec 31 14:25:12 2022
    On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 1:53:07 PM UTC-8, Pluted Pup wrote:
    On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 19:20:16 -0800, gggg gggg wrote:

    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 11:11:25 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    (2022 Y. upload):

    "20th century was impossible to predict"

    The following recent article asks:

    - Where did it all go wrong for so much music of the 20th century?

    https://theamericanscholar.org/the-disappearing-modernists/
    "avant-garde music was even financially supported and
    championed by a covert propaganda campaign by the CIA
    during the Cold War愀 battle for hearts and minds."
    There you go, the CIA cut the funding for modernism.
    Without subsidies, modern art can't survive, to the
    disappointment of the scholars. And who would describe
    classical music as "tonal", but a modernist?

    (2022 Y. upload):

    "The CIA in the Art World - CIA Series Pt 4"

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sat Dec 31 19:24:21 2022
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 11:11:25 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    (2022 Y. upload):

    "20th century was impossible to predict"

    https://countercurrents.org/2022/12/trying-to-predict-the-future/

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 1 17:17:17 2023
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 11:11:25 PM UTC-8, wrote:
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    "20th century was impossible to predict"

    According to tonight's 60 MINUTES:

    - Oh, humanity is not sustainable. To maintain our lifestyle (yours and mine, basically) for the entire planet, you'd need five more Earths. Not clear where they're gonna come from.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/earth-mass-extinction-60-minutes-2023-01-01/

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 2 17:52:54 2023
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 11:11:25 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    (2022 Y. upload):

    "20th century was impossible to predict"

    What was the norm ten years ago:

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/briangalindo/things-that-existed-10-years-ago-but-are-obsolete-now

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Mon Jan 2 21:04:01 2023
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 9:15:13 AM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 11:11:25 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    (2022 Y. upload):

    "20th century was impossible to predict"
    Are we living on "borrowed time"?:

    https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/2001/quotes/

    - Death to the machines!

    "Metropolis" (1927 film by Lang)

    https://www.gradesaver.com/metropolis/study-guide/quotes

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Mon Jan 2 21:20:26 2023
    On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 9:04:03 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 9:15:13 AM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 11:11:25 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    (2022 Y. upload):

    "20th century was impossible to predict"
    Are we living on "borrowed time"?:

    https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/2001/quotes/
    - Death to the machines!

    "Metropolis" (1927 film by Lang)

    https://www.gradesaver.com/metropolis/study-guide/quotes

    According to this:

    - 7. Question: Why are machines personified as evil in Lang's Metropolis....?

    Lu Liu: Answer:

    Lang personified machines as evil because the most enormous power can only be expressed through the acting of evil. Considering the extreme weather conditions, such as tempests, tornadoes, tsunamis, volcanoes and earthquakes, they are the typical cases
    which demonstrate how the extreme powers always bring us the most tremendous disasters. Therefore, I don’t think Lang personally holds a negative point of view towards machines as it described in the movie. During the interview with Lang, he said he
    was very interested in machines. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolis_(film)] I believe the machine to Lang is the theme for which he conceived the Metropolis. He has the choice whether to use positive or negative narratives, but he finds positive
    expression is not strong enough to illustrate the huge impact machinery brings to our lives.

    [http://coilhouse.net/2008/07/fritz-langs-metropolis-lost-footage-discovered/] The most enormous power can only be expressed through the acting of evil...

    [http://westshoreforum.org/2010/06/metropolis/]
    The machines in Metropolis illustrate the sense of fear in people’s minds.

    https://www.tboake.com/443_cities_f10.html

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 2 22:35:16 2023
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 9:15:13 AM UTC-8, wrote:
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 11:11:25 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    (2022 Y. upload):

    "20th century was impossible to predict"
    Are we living on "borrowed time"?:

    https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/2001/quotes/

    - ...It is a foreboding about the bomb and the foolishness of governments. "I am old enough by this time to be used to the notion of dying," he says. Now, hearing the cellos at the end of the Mahler pick up fragments from the first movement, "as though
    prepared to begin everything all over again," he remarks that he used to hear this as a wonderful few seconds of encouragement. Instead, with a pamphlet on MX-basing in front of him, the cellos "sound in my mind like the opening of all the hatches and
    the instant before ignition."

    (From a review of the 1983 book LATE NIGHT THOUGHTS ON LISTENING OF MAHLER'S NINTH SYMPHONY):

    https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/lewis-thomas/late-night-thoughts-listening-mahlers-ninth/

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 3 18:59:16 2023
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 11:11:25 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    (2022 Y. upload):

    "20th century was impossible to predict"

    Is slavery in our future?

    (2022 Y. upload):

    "How Elites Will Create a New Class of Slaves | Whitney Webb | The Glenn Beck Podcast | Ep 162"

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 23 19:32:18 2023
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 11:11:25 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    (2022 Y. upload):

    "20th century was impossible to predict"

    - We can neither put back the clock nor slow down our forward speed, and as we are already flying pilotless, on instrument controls, it is even too late to ask where we are going.

    Stravinsky

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