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  • Re: Brazilian Music / Villa-Lobos / Jobim

    From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to TheMPBZone on Thu Dec 29 00:03:08 2022
    On Monday, April 12, 1999 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-7, TheMPBZone wrote:
    Read about it in: "The Brazilian Sound: Samba, Bossa Nova and the Popular Music
    of Brazil" by Chris McGowan and Ricardo Pessanha (Temple University Press), Amazon.com's no. 1 bestselling "world music" book of 1998.
    It is available through this URL: www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D1566395453/002-4567261-9091816
    The book can also be found at several other online bookstores listed in "The MPB Zone: Musica Popular Brasileira," an affiliated Brazilian music web site. The MPB Zone has a wide variety of links to Brazilian artists, musical genres,
    samba schools, organizations and labels, plus World Music sites. The MPB Zone is located at: http://members.aol.com/thempbzone/index.html __________________________________________

    https://www.classical-music.com/features/works/brazil-music/

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sat Mar 4 03:34:04 2023
    On Thursday, 29 December 2022 at 08:03:10 UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, April 12, 1999 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-7, TheMPBZone wrote:
    Read about it in: "The Brazilian Sound: Samba, Bossa Nova and the Popular Music
    of Brazil" by Chris McGowan and Ricardo Pessanha (Temple University Press),

    I spent 2 months touring Europe playing keyboards with the Brazil Tropical theatre production. This was my introduction to the real music of Brazil - music from Belem, Bahia and the North. Sometimes called "Regionale". In the bus the chorus of singers
    would sit in the back seats and sing all kinds of call-and-reponse songs a capella. It was mesmerising.

    The Bossa Nova produced a lot of pretty music, but it sounds so dated now. Here's 2 tracks of more substantial stuff:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6445JAN5-M Os Afro Sambas

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bnv7Q8gpOg. The Wonderful Nana Caymii

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  • From number_six@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Sat Mar 4 16:13:10 2023
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 3:34:06 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
    On Thursday, 29 December 2022 at 08:03:10 UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, April 12, 1999 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-7, TheMPBZone wrote:
    Read about it in: "The Brazilian Sound: Samba, Bossa Nova and the Popular Music
    of Brazil" by Chris McGowan and Ricardo Pessanha (Temple University Press),
    I spent 2 months touring Europe playing keyboards with the Brazil Tropical theatre production. This was my introduction to the real music of Brazil - music from Belem, Bahia and the North. Sometimes called "Regionale". In the bus the chorus of singers
    would sit in the back seats and sing all kinds of call-and-reponse songs a capella. It was mesmerising.

    The Bossa Nova produced a lot of pretty music, but it sounds so dated now. Here's 2 tracks of more substantial stuff:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6445JAN5-M Os Afro Sambas

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bnv7Q8gpOg. The Wonderful Nana Caymii

    Sure, Bonfa /Jobim /Gilberto are names from many decades ago, but calling them "dated" carries connotations with which I don't agree. Baden Powell is also great, but IMO those others are not somehow less substantial than he.
    That said, I enjoyed both links.

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 4 16:36:42 2023
    On Sunday, 5 March 2023 at 00:13:12 UTC, number_six wrote:
    Sure, Bonfa /Jobim /Gilberto are names from many decades ago, but calling them "dated" carries connotations with which I don't agree. Baden Powell is also great, but IMO those others are not somehow less substantial than he.
    That said, I enjoyed both links.

    That's not what I meant - Jobim and Gilberto in particular were major songwriters, no question.

    What I was calling "dated" was the "gentle" bossa nova rhythm. It didn't have the guts or excitement of samba, mambo, reggae and the more distinctive beats. And what it meant to me as an active jazz musician for many years was a whole lot of jazz tunes
    played as bossa novas. This could get pretty boring, kind of a lazy choice of beat that fitted a lot of tunes, but did nothing much with them. Kind of lounge music. Brazil had more interesting rhythms than the bossa nova.

    Here's a nice track by Djavan where the rhythm is typically heavier and closer to samba.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BxMj6gTy0M

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  • From number_six@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Sat Mar 4 18:14:13 2023
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 4:36:45 PM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
    On Sunday, 5 March 2023 at 00:13:12 UTC, number_six wrote:
    Sure, Bonfa /Jobim /Gilberto are names from many decades ago, but calling them "dated" carries connotations with which I don't agree. Baden Powell is also great, but IMO those others are not somehow less substantial than he.
    That said, I enjoyed both links.
    That's not what I meant - Jobim and Gilberto in particular were major songwriters, no question.

    What I was calling "dated" was the "gentle" bossa nova rhythm. It didn't have the guts or excitement of samba, mambo, reggae and the more distinctive beats. And what it meant to me as an active jazz musician for many years was a whole lot of jazz tunes
    played as bossa novas. This could get pretty boring, kind of a lazy choice of beat that fitted a lot of tunes, but did nothing much with them. Kind of lounge music. Brazil had more interesting rhythms than the bossa nova.

    Here's a nice track by Djavan where the rhythm is typically heavier and closer to samba.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BxMj6gTy0M

    What is gentle and soothing is not per se less substantial than what is dynamic or visceral, though of course performers and audiences will form preferences -- both general and specific.

    I agree the bossa nova sound was gratuitously applied to other popular songs. Success is often over-imitated.

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to Chris J. on Mon Mar 6 10:47:53 2023
    On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 18:38:29 UTC, Chris J. wrote:
    Andy Evans <performan...@gmail.com> wrote 4 Mar 2023:

    I spent 2 months touring Europe playing keyboards with the Brazil
    Tropical theatre production. This was my introduction to the real music
    of Brazil
    Brazilian music? Try:
    https://www.naxos.com/CatalogueDetail/?id=8.557969 https://www.claves.ch/collections/ensemble-turicum/products/cd-9521 https://www.claves.ch/collections/ensemble-turicum/products/cd-9610 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhIAQ7oF5Ys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxYuMTAa6lM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS_X01jdq4k
    Enjoy! > Chris

    Wow! That's different. Thanks for that.

    José Maurício Nunes Garcia was really interesting. I never expected HIP Brazilian music.

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  • From Chris J.@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 6 19:10:18 2023
    On 6 Mar 2023 Andy Evans wrote:

    Brazilian music? Try:
    https://www.naxos.com/CatalogueDetail/?id=8.557969
    https://www.claves.ch/collections/ensemble-turicum/products/cd-9521
    https://www.claves.ch/collections/ensemble-turicum/products/cd-9610
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhIAQ7oF5Ys
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxYuMTAa6lM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS_X01jdq4k Enjoy! > Chris

    Wow! That's different. Thanks for that.

    José Maurício Nunes Garcia was really interesting. I never expected HIP Brazilian music.

    There is more. Actually, there is quite a lot of 17th and 18th century
    (HIP) music from Latin America.

    An article:
    https://bachtrack.com/nov-2013-baroque-south-america

    Music:
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8rpC6tpialHJnwEt5qmZ76krTo2jG3TO

    A talk:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyYcSSQ-irU

    Chris

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  • From Chris J.@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Mon Mar 6 18:38:25 2023
    Andy Evans <performanceandmedia@gmail.com> wrote 4 Mar 2023:

    I spent 2 months touring Europe playing keyboards with the Brazil
    Tropical theatre production. This was my introduction to the real music
    of Brazil

    Brazilian music? Try:

    https://www.naxos.com/CatalogueDetail/?id=8.557969

    https://www.claves.ch/collections/ensemble-turicum/products/cd-9521

    https://www.claves.ch/collections/ensemble-turicum/products/cd-9610

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhIAQ7oF5Ys

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxYuMTAa6lM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS_X01jdq4k

    Enjoy!

    Chris

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