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    From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Wed Dec 28 04:15:08 2022
    On Wednesday, 28 December 2022 at 11:50:01 UTC, Mandryka wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz8oxPrB60g&ab_channel=punkpoetry

    That's Vedernikov -- time stands still.

    Not always a good thing! I think Gieseking takes it too fast, Richter too, but Rosen and Jacobs are just right. Jacobs is particularly nice.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBL1UCERDHk

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 28 05:12:40 2022
    Op woensdag 28 december 2022 om 12:50:01 UTC+1 schreef Mandryka:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz8oxPrB60g&ab_channel=punkpoetry

    That's Vedernikov -- time stands still.

    A 'quiet' version in a different sense:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQl7oU44Uac

    Henk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 28 06:45:30 2022
    There's a large number of expressive indications in the score -- dolente, expressif et profond, joyeux, apassionate, animate, doux. Michael Korstick seems to have a grasp of that side of the music at least

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsMhUJ7kRUo&ab_channel=MichaelKorstick-Topic

    maybe Philippe Cassard too, will listen properly later.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OFXQjK_Auk&ab_channel=PhilippeCassard-Topic

    Pascal Rogé caught my attention as someone with interesting ideas but somehow not quite pulling them off -- as if he wasn't a good enough pianist to execute. But I'm not really listening properly now, got to meet go out to have tea with some friends.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dShQBJ2hIBo&ab_channel=PascalRog%C3%A9-Topic

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 28 07:09:35 2022
    What are Sonorités opposées? Does it mean contrasting timbres? If so, who brings that out in performance?

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Wed Dec 28 09:23:16 2022
    On 2022-12-28 5:15 a.m., Andy Evans wrote:
    On Wednesday, 28 December 2022 at 11:50:01 UTC, Mandryka wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz8oxPrB60g&ab_channel=punkpoetry

    That's Vedernikov -- time stands still.

    Not always a good thing! I think Gieseking takes it too fast, Richter too, but Rosen and Jacobs are just right. Jacobs is particularly nice.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBL1UCERDHk

    I've always liked Peter Frankl. Here are 9 and 10 from noisy LPs:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfh3WakbQPA

    Pity they are not from the CD equivalent.

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  • From Jonathan Ben Schragadove@21:1/5 to Graham on Wed Dec 28 09:53:25 2022
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 8:23:22 AM UTC-8, Graham wrote:
    On 2022-12-28 5:15 a.m., Andy Evans wrote:
    On Wednesday, 28 December 2022 at 11:50:01 UTC, Mandryka wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz8oxPrB60g&ab_channel=punkpoetry

    That's Vedernikov -- time stands still.

    Not always a good thing! I think Gieseking takes it too fast, Richter too, but Rosen and Jacobs are just right. Jacobs is particularly nice.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBL1UCERDHk

    I've always liked Peter Frankl. Here are 9 and 10 from noisy LPs:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfh3WakbQPA

    Pity they are not from the CD equivalent.

    Thanks for this - based on these, I'm very interested in listening to his complete set!

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  • From Jonathan Ben Schragadove@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Wed Dec 28 09:48:31 2022
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 4:15:11 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
    On Wednesday, 28 December 2022 at 11:50:01 UTC, Mandryka wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz8oxPrB60g&ab_channel=punkpoetry

    That's Vedernikov -- time stands still.
    Not always a good thing! I think Gieseking takes it too fast, Richter too, but Rosen and Jacobs are just right. Jacobs is particularly nice.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBL1UCERDHk

    The Jacobs version was my introduction to these pieces, and after all these years, that 1976 Nonesuch recording is still my favorite.

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Wed Dec 28 10:13:50 2022
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 4:09:38 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
    What are Sonorités opposées? Does it mean contrasting timbres? If so, who brings that out in performance?

    contrasting timbres and ways of sounding and foregrounding the notes.

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 28 11:43:14 2022
    Op woensdag 28 december 2022 om 16:09:38 UTC+1 schreef Mandryka:
    What are Sonorités opposées? Does it mean contrasting timbres? If so, who brings that out in performance?

    Rahkonen plays the Opposées very well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q96g6gECLSk&list=OLAK5uy_lWFtEznqs3d3poQphavFbCVj_XYweSX2U&index=10

    Joyce Hatto stole her recording of the etudes.

    Henk

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to Herman on Wed Dec 28 12:29:38 2022
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 7:13:53 PM UTC+1, Herman wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 4:09:38 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
    What are Sonorités opposées? Does it mean contrasting timbres? If so, who brings that out in performance?
    contrasting timbres and ways of sounding and foregrounding the notes.

    Sonorites and Arpeges, those two etudes are really the most exquisite Debussy one can picture.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Wed Dec 28 12:33:11 2022
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 7:09:38 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:

    What are Sonorités opposées? Does it mean contrasting
    timbres? If so, who brings that out in performance?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx6ufmtUEHs

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Wed Dec 28 12:32:22 2022
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 3:50:01 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz8oxPrB60g&ab_channel=punkpoetry

    That's Vedernikov -- time stands still.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx6ufmtUEHs

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Jonathan Ben Schragadove on Wed Dec 28 13:47:07 2022
    On 2022-12-28 10:53 a.m., Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 8:23:22 AM UTC-8, Graham wrote:
    On 2022-12-28 5:15 a.m., Andy Evans wrote:
    On Wednesday, 28 December 2022 at 11:50:01 UTC, Mandryka wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz8oxPrB60g&ab_channel=punkpoetry

    That's Vedernikov -- time stands still.

    Not always a good thing! I think Gieseking takes it too fast, Richter too, but Rosen and Jacobs are just right. Jacobs is particularly nice.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBL1UCERDHk

    I've always liked Peter Frankl. Here are 9 and 10 from noisy LPs:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfh3WakbQPA

    Pity they are not from the CD equivalent.

    Thanks for this - based on these, I'm very interested in listening to his complete set!

    I have his complete Debussy on 4 CDs (2 Vox "boxes"). Well worth getting
    if you can find them.

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  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to Herman on Wed Dec 28 12:36:28 2022
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 3:29:40 PM UTC-5, Herman wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 7:13:53 PM UTC+1, Herman wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 4:09:38 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
    What are Sonorités opposées? Does it mean contrasting timbres? If so, who brings that out in performance?
    contrasting timbres and ways of sounding and foregrounding the notes.
    Sonorites and Arpeges, those two etudes are really the most exquisite Debussy one can picture.


    Here is an Arpeges worth hearing. It is a bit bright in the transfer, but patrician.

    https://youtu.be/nH43NkYvzsw

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 28 13:17:24 2022
    I must say I think Cassard’s piano is magnificent. Great dynamic control. It would be good to hear more performances of this music on old Bechsteins.

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Graham on Wed Dec 28 14:25:13 2022
    On 2022-12-28 1:47 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2022-12-28 10:53 a.m., Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 8:23:22 AM UTC-8, Graham wrote:
    On 2022-12-28 5:15 a.m., Andy Evans wrote:
    On Wednesday, 28 December 2022 at 11:50:01 UTC, Mandryka wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz8oxPrB60g&ab_channel=punkpoetry

    That's Vedernikov -- time stands still.

    Not always a good thing! I think Gieseking takes it too fast,
    Richter too, but Rosen and Jacobs are just right. Jacobs is
    particularly nice.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBL1UCERDHk

    I've always liked Peter Frankl. Here are 9 and 10 from noisy LPs:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfh3WakbQPA

    Pity they are not from the CD equivalent.

    Thanks for this - based on these, I'm very interested in listening to
    his complete set!

    I have his complete Debussy on 4 CDs (2 Vox "boxes"). Well worth getting
    if you can find them.

    I have the Cassard too. Debussy favoured Bechsteins and Cassard's is
    from Debussy's time, restored of course.

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Wed Dec 28 14:37:50 2022
    On Wednesday, 28 December 2022 at 20:36:31 UTC, JohnGavin wrote:
    Here is an Arpeges worth hearing. It is a bit bright in the transfer, but patrician.

    https://youtu.be/nH43NkYvzsw

    Anthony di Bonaventura. Very individual and well worth hearing. Anne Queffélec is nice too. And Samson Francois....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW3jXqbZ59w

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Wed Dec 28 21:14:32 2022
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 10:37:52 PM UTC, Andy Evans wrote:
    On Wednesday, 28 December 2022 at 20:36:31 UTC, JohnGavin wrote:
    Here is an Arpeges worth hearing. It is a bit bright in the transfer, but patrician.

    https://youtu.be/nH43NkYvzsw
    Anthony di Bonaventura. Very individual and well worth hearing. Anne Queffélec is nice too. And Samson Francois....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW3jXqbZ59w

    Yes, someone sent me a very good transfer of the Di Bonaventura a few days ago, that’s what got me interested in the etudes again.

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Wed Dec 28 21:40:56 2022
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 5:35:57 AM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
    Something I read about Bonaventura in a comment on YouTube. When he recorded the etudes he wanted each book to be presented with no tracks, no gaps, between the etudes. Presumably he thought of the books as cycles.

    The Cassard piano has been a real ear opener. The uniform timbre so many piano players get out of their modern Steinways doesn’t do the music any favours IMO. The other thing I’ve learned is how important dynamic shading is in the music.


    https://philippecassard.com/

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 28 21:35:54 2022
    Something I read about Bonaventura in a comment on YouTube. When he recorded the etudes he wanted each book to be presented with no tracks, no gaps, between the etudes. Presumably he thought of the books as cycles.

    The Cassard piano has been a real ear opener. The uniform timbre so many piano players get out of their modern Steinways doesn’t do the music any favours IMO. The other thing I’ve learned is how important dynamic shading is in the music.

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