• Re: Brahms 1 (iii) [and (iv)]

    From Herman@21:1/5 to Roland van Gaalen on Fri Dec 23 08:12:06 2022
    On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 4:35:16 PM UTC+1, Roland van Gaalen wrote:
    I give up.

    I'm not particularly fond of Brahms 1 (at home) either.
    However, does this really merit three seperate topics, rather than one WAYTL post?

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  • From Roland van Gaalen@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 23 07:35:14 2022
    I give up.

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  • From Roland van Gaalen@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 23 09:01:39 2022
    Op vrijdag 23 december 2022 om 17:12:09 UTC+1 schreef Herman:
    [...] does this really merit three seperate topics, rather than one WAYTL post?

    No

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Roland van Gaalen on Fri Dec 23 11:04:59 2022
    On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 7:35:16 AM UTC-8, Roland van Gaalen wrote:
    I give up.

    One should never give up! ;-)

    dk

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  • From mswdesign@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Roland van Gaalen on Fri Dec 23 18:47:38 2022
    On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 9:35:16 AM UTC-6, Roland van Gaalen wrote:
    I give up.

    There's no point in listening to something you don't enjoy.

    I always liked Haitink/RCO's I iii. Nobody else seemed to have the same balances, the same ease. And while Haitink doesn't really do anything to make the big movements stand out, I still judge all other recordings with reference to this one. I also tend
    to think Haitink's Tragic Overture is first rate.

    The fourth movement really comes down to the big chorale. You need power in the brass, but you need to maintain momentum. I think Lenny VPO is one where the ending is just dreadful (can't check now). This one neighborhood of Brahms the steroidal sheen of
    Karajan's BPO really is something, even if the rest of the performance is fairly auto-pilot. Karajan's 60's Brahms 1 is a total bore, if I recall.

    It saddens me to see people calling the first "pompous", but it has occurred to me that while rejecting most rock and roll music in favor of classical, I tend to be happiest with classical music that really rocks. My dad and I are the kind of dorks who
    compare the openings of Bruckner 8 iv just because we love the noise.

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to mswd...gmail.com on Fri Dec 23 19:28:42 2022
    On Saturday, 24 December 2022 at 13:47:41 UTC+11, mswd...gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 9:35:16 AM UTC-6, Roland van Gaalen wrote:
    I give up.
    There's no point in listening to something you don't enjoy.

    It saddens me to see people calling the first "pompous", but it has occurred to me that while rejecting most rock and roll music in favor of classical, I tend to be happiest with classical music that really rocks. My dad >and I are the kind of dorks
    who compare the openings of Bruckner 8 iv just because we love the noise.

    You are not the only one that loves the beginning of Bruckner 8 iv. There was a Haitink 8th that wowed me, along with HvK's last VPO 8th. Like many I gave up rock and roll at 18-19 for classical. Now I have become less picky and accept the best in rock
    music and some pop - along with a lot of jazz. The Rondo Burlesque in Mahler's 9th is another place I compare recordings, and there are several places in Shosty. But the real zinger for me is the tam tam at the end of Prokofiev 5 i. A live Prok 5th with
    Bryden Thomson will always remain a highlight for me of this work.

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From Owen Hartnett@21:1/5 to mswd...@gmail.com on Fri Dec 23 23:24:18 2022
    On 2022-12-24 02:47:38 +0000, mswd...@gmail.com said:

    On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 9:35:16 AM UTC-6, Roland van Gaalen wrote:
    I give up.

    There's no point in listening to something you don't enjoy.
    I always liked Haitink/RCO's I iii. Nobody else seemed to have the same balances, the same ease. And while Haitink doesn't really do anything
    to make the big movements stand out, I still judge all other recordings
    with reference to this one. I also tend to think Haitink's Tragic
    Overture is first rate.

    The fourth movement really comes down to the big chorale. You need
    power in the brass, but you need to maintain momentum. I think Lenny
    VPO is one where the ending is just dreadful (can't check now). This
    one neighborhood of Brahms the steroidal sheen of Karajan's BPO really
    is something, even if the rest of the performance is fairly auto-pilot. Karajan's 60's Brahms 1 is a total bore, if I recall.

    It saddens me to see people calling the first "pompous", but it has
    occurred to me that while rejecting most rock and roll music in favor
    of classical, I tend to be happiest with classical music that really
    rocks. My dad and I are the kind of dorks who compare the openings of Bruckner 8 iv just because we love the noise.

    I've always found (and liked) Fluffy's Brahms. Karajan brings a kind of
    "swing" to the music. It sweeps like a performance of Benny Goodman -
    makes you almost want to dance to it. He brings a lot of energy,
    though perhaps some modern performances might do that better, but I
    can't imagine in the same way.

    -Owen

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  • From Owen Hartnett@21:1/5 to raymond....@gmail.com on Fri Dec 23 23:28:57 2022
    On 2022-12-24 03:28:42 +0000, raymond....@gmail.com said:

    On Saturday, 24 December 2022 at 13:47:41 UTC+11, mswd...gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 9:35:16 AM UTC-6, Roland van Gaalen
    wrote:> > I give up.
    There's no point in listening to something you don't enjoy.>> It
    saddens me to see people calling the first "pompous", but it has
    occurred to me that while rejecting most rock and roll music in favor
    of classical, I tend to be happiest with classical music that really
    rocks. My dad >and I are the kind of dorks who compare the openings of
    Bruckner 8 iv just because we love the noise.

    You are not the only one that loves the beginning of Bruckner 8 iv.
    There was a Haitink 8th that wowed me, along with HvK's last VPO 8th.
    Like many I gave up rock and roll at 18-19 for classical. Now I have
    become less picky and accept the best in rock music and some pop -
    along with a lot of jazz. The Rondo Burlesque in Mahler's 9th is
    another place I compare recordings, and there are several places in
    Shosty. But the real zinger for me is the tam tam at the end of
    Prokofiev 5 i. A live Prok 5th with Bryden Thomson will always remain a highlight for me of this work.

    Ray Hall, Taree

    I really have no desire to hear a concert with a lot of the composers I
    had to go hear when I was younger. I know all the notes, expect it to
    be played just like I was impressed with, and have heard so many really
    good performances, I'd be lucky to find any better. An exception is
    Prokofiev. His music still seems to give me a reaction when I hear it.
    Yesterday I listened to the 2nd Violin concerto with Pietsch. The
    second movement is the sweetest thing -- just beautiful to hear.

    -Owen

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  • From mswdesign@gmail.com@21:1/5 to raymond....@gmail.com on Fri Dec 23 22:29:42 2022
    On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 9:28:44 PM UTC-6, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
    You are not the only one that loves the beginning of Bruckner 8 iv. There was a Haitink 8th that wowed me, along with HvK's last VPO 8th. Like many I gave up rock and roll at 18-19 for classical. Now I have become less picky and accept the best in rock
    music and some pop - along with a lot of jazz. The Rondo Burlesque in Mahler's 9th is another place I compare recordings, and there are several places in Shosty. But the real zinger for me is the tam tam at the end of Prokofiev 5 i. A live Prok 5th with
    Bryden Thomson will always remain a highlight for me of this work.

    Ray Hall, Taree

    I really haven't given up anything, just broadened. The framed albums I have on the listening room wall are Klemp's stereo Eroica, Coltrane's Blue Train and The Greatful Dead at Winterland, May of '71. Last night I was listening to a fantastic LP of
    Freddie Hubbard's Straight Life, which is one of the most beautiful LP prressings I have ever seen.

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