On Friday, 23 December 2022 at 15:28:46 UTC, Roland van Gaalen wrote:
Ten years ago I still liked such music.
Now I find it too obvious, in a way, but I don't know of what, and much too sweet, especially the end. Kitsch.
--
Roland van Gaalen
Amsterdam
It's sailing a little close to the pompous, which never works for me. I like the 2nd best, and the 3rd is OK. Don't listen too much to Brahms these days. I prefer something cooler like Bach or middle/late Stravinsky.
Ten years ago I still liked such music.
Now I find it too obvious, in a way, but I don't know of what, and much too sweet, especially the end. Kitsch.
--
Roland van Gaalen
Amsterdam
On 2022-12-23 9:22 a.m., Andy Evans wrote:
On Friday, 23 December 2022 at 15:28:46 UTC, Roland van Gaalen wrote:
Ten years ago I still liked such music.
Now I find it too obvious, in a way, but I don't know of what, and much too sweet, especially the end. Kitsch.
--
Roland van Gaalen
Amsterdam
It's sailing a little close to the pompous, which never works for me. I like the 2nd best, and the 3rd is OK. Don't listen too much to Brahms these days. I prefer something cooler like Bach or middle/late Stravinsky.I used to listen to Brahms' music a lot but now I'm beginning to
understand why Britten despised it.
Graham wrote:
On 2022-12-23 9:22 a.m., Andy Evans wrote:
On Friday, 23 December 2022 at 15:28:46 UTC, Roland van Gaalen wrote:
Ten years ago I still liked such music.
Now I find it too obvious, in a way, but I don't know of what, and much too sweet, especially the end. Kitsch.
--
Roland van Gaalen
Amsterdam
If you don't mind an anachronism, leave the frame of "Brahms was a venerable Great Composer who lived a long time before I was born" and Imagine attending the world premiere of this piece as a contemporary.It's sailing a little close to the pompous, which never works for me. I like the 2nd best, and the 3rd is OK. Don't listen too much to Brahms these days. I prefer something cooler like Bach or middle/late Stravinsky.I used to listen to Brahms' music a lot but now I'm beginning to understand why Britten despised it.
You would have seen Brahms himself, not as a god, but as a 43-year old man in 1876.
Wouldn't you have thought something like "Who do you think you are, Doctor Johannes Brahms?"
I think I would.
I must have at least ten recordings of Brahms 1, but at this point (I'm 64 now) the whole symphony sounds pompous and pretentious to me.
No Mengelberg or Furtwängler treatment can save it for me.
--
Roland
Graham wrote:
On 2022-12-23 9:22 a.m., Andy Evans wrote:
On Friday, 23 December 2022 at 15:28:46 UTC, Roland van Gaalen wrote:
Ten years ago I still liked such music.
Now I find it too obvious, in a way, but I don't know of what, and much too sweet, especially the end. Kitsch.
--
Roland van Gaalen
Amsterdam
If you don't mind an anachronism, leave the frame of "Brahms was a venerable Great Composer who lived a long time before I was born" and Imagine attending the world premiere of this piece as a contemporary.It's sailing a little close to the pompous, which never works for me. I like the 2nd best, and the 3rd is OK. Don't listen too much to Brahms these days. I prefer something cooler like Bach or middle/late Stravinsky.I used to listen to Brahms' music a lot but now I'm beginning to understand why Britten despised it.
You would have seen Brahms himself, not as a god, but as a 43-year old man in 1876.
Wouldn't you have thought something like "Who do you think you are, Doctor Johannes Brahms?"
I think I would.
I must have at least ten recordings of Brahms 1, but at this point (I'm 64 now) the whole symphony sounds pompous and pretentious to me.
No Mengelberg or Furtwängler treatment can save it for me.
--
Roland
On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 2:50:11 PM UTC+1, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 3:58:53 AM UTC+11, Roland van Gaalen wrote:
Graham wrote:They've been dead a while ... Have you heard the Mackerras cycle with the Scottish Chamber Orchestra, or Robin Ticciati with the same band, or, more controversially perhaps, Adam Fischer with the Danish Chamber orchestra?
On 2022-12-23 9:22 a.m., Andy Evans wrote:If you don't mind an anachronism, leave the frame of "Brahms was a venerable Great Composer who lived a long time before I was born" and Imagine attending the world premiere of this piece as a contemporary.
On Friday, 23 December 2022 at 15:28:46 UTC, Roland van Gaalen wrote: >>>>>> Ten years ago I still liked such music.I used to listen to Brahms' music a lot but now I'm beginning to
Now I find it too obvious, in a way, but I don't know of what, and much too sweet, especially the end. Kitsch.
--
Roland van Gaalen
Amsterdam
It's sailing a little close to the pompous, which never works for me. I like the 2nd best, and the 3rd is OK. Don't listen too much to Brahms these days. I prefer something cooler like Bach or middle/late Stravinsky.
understand why Britten despised it.
You would have seen Brahms himself, not as a god, but as a 43-year old man in 1876.
Wouldn't you have thought something like "Who do you think you are, Doctor Johannes Brahms?"
I think I would.
I must have at least ten recordings of Brahms 1, but at this point (I'm 64 now) the whole symphony sounds pompous and pretentious to me.
No Mengelberg or Furtwängler treatment can save it for me.
--
Roland
I offer as a hypothesis that the solemnity of Brahms is directly proportional to the size of the string section in the orchestra that's playing his music..
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
Old-style conductors used to perform Brahms as if this music was al mirthless exercizes in thematic variation etc. (Spot the theme!) Only recently conductors bring out the colors and timbre combinations in Brahms's orchestra music.
On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 3:58:53 AM UTC+11, Roland van Gaalen wrote:
Graham wrote:
On 2022-12-23 9:22 a.m., Andy Evans wrote:
On Friday, 23 December 2022 at 15:28:46 UTC, Roland van Gaalen wrote:
Ten years ago I still liked such music.
Now I find it too obvious, in a way, but I don't know of what, and much too sweet, especially the end. Kitsch.
--
Roland van Gaalen
Amsterdam
If you don't mind an anachronism, leave the frame of "Brahms was a venerable Great Composer who lived a long time before I was born" and Imagine attending the world premiere of this piece as a contemporary.It's sailing a little close to the pompous, which never works for me. I like the 2nd best, and the 3rd is OK. Don't listen too much to Brahms these days. I prefer something cooler like Bach or middle/late Stravinsky.I used to listen to Brahms' music a lot but now I'm beginning to understand why Britten despised it.
You would have seen Brahms himself, not as a god, but as a 43-year old man in 1876.
Wouldn't you have thought something like "Who do you think you are, Doctor Johannes Brahms?"
I think I would.
I must have at least ten recordings of Brahms 1, but at this point (I'm 64 now) the whole symphony sounds pompous and pretentious to me.
No Mengelberg or Furtwängler treatment can save it for me.They've been dead a while ... Have you heard the Mackerras cycle with the Scottish Chamber Orchestra, or Robin Ticciati with the same band, or, more controversially perhaps, Adam Fischer with the Danish Chamber orchestra?
--
Roland
I offer as a hypothesis that the solemnity of Brahms is directly proportional to the size of the string section in the orchestra that's playing his music..
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
Op 2022-12-24 om 15:15 schreef Herman:
On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 2:50:11 PM UTC+1,
andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 3:58:53 AM UTC+11, Roland van
Gaalen wrote:
Graham wrote:They've been dead a while ... Have you heard the Mackerras cycle with
On 2022-12-23 9:22 a.m., Andy Evans wrote:If you don't mind an anachronism, leave the frame of "Brahms was a
On Friday, 23 December 2022 at 15:28:46 UTC, Roland van Gaalen wrote: >>>>>>> Ten years ago I still liked such music.I used to listen to Brahms' music a lot but now I'm beginning to
Now I find it too obvious, in a way, but I don't know of what,
and much too sweet, especially the end. Kitsch.
--
Roland van Gaalen
Amsterdam
It's sailing a little close to the pompous, which never works for
me. I like the 2nd best, and the 3rd is OK. Don't listen too much
to Brahms these days. I prefer something cooler like Bach or
middle/late Stravinsky.
understand why Britten despised it.
venerable Great Composer who lived a long time before I was born"
and Imagine attending the world premiere of this piece as a
contemporary.
You would have seen Brahms himself, not as a god, but as a 43-year
old man in 1876.
Wouldn't you have thought something like "Who do you think you are,
Doctor Johannes Brahms?"
I think I would.
I must have at least ten recordings of Brahms 1, but at this point
(I'm 64 now) the whole symphony sounds pompous and pretentious to me.
No Mengelberg or Furtwängler treatment can save it for me.
--
Roland
the Scottish Chamber Orchestra, or Robin Ticciati with the same band,
or, more controversially perhaps, Adam Fischer with the Danish
Chamber orchestra?
I offer as a hypothesis that the solemnity of Brahms is directly
proportional to the size of the string section in the orchestra
that's playing his music..
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
Old-style conductors used to perform Brahms as if this music was al
mirthless exercizes in thematic variation etc. (Spot the theme!) Only
recently conductors bring out the colors and timbre combinations in
Brahms's orchestra music.
Nevertheless I just enjoyed listening to the recording by van Beinum.
On 12/24/22 7:05 AM, Gerard wrote:
Op 2022-12-24 om 15:15 schreef Herman:
On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 2:50:11 PM UTC+1,
andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 3:58:53 AM UTC+11, Roland van
Gaalen wrote:
Graham wrote:They've been dead a while ... Have you heard the Mackerras cycle with >>> the Scottish Chamber Orchestra, or Robin Ticciati with the same band, >>> or, more controversially perhaps, Adam Fischer with the Danish
On 2022-12-23 9:22 a.m., Andy Evans wrote:If you don't mind an anachronism, leave the frame of "Brahms was a
On Friday, 23 December 2022 at 15:28:46 UTC, Roland van Gaalen wrote: >>>>>>> Ten years ago I still liked such music.I used to listen to Brahms' music a lot but now I'm beginning to
Now I find it too obvious, in a way, but I don't know of what, >>>>>>> and much too sweet, especially the end. Kitsch.
--
Roland van Gaalen
Amsterdam
It's sailing a little close to the pompous, which never works for >>>>>> me. I like the 2nd best, and the 3rd is OK. Don't listen too much >>>>>> to Brahms these days. I prefer something cooler like Bach or
middle/late Stravinsky.
understand why Britten despised it.
venerable Great Composer who lived a long time before I was born"
and Imagine attending the world premiere of this piece as a
contemporary.
You would have seen Brahms himself, not as a god, but as a 43-year
old man in 1876.
Wouldn't you have thought something like "Who do you think you are, >>>> Doctor Johannes Brahms?"
I think I would.
I must have at least ten recordings of Brahms 1, but at this point
(I'm 64 now) the whole symphony sounds pompous and pretentious to me. >>>>
No Mengelberg or Furtwängler treatment can save it for me.
--
Roland
Chamber orchestra?
I offer as a hypothesis that the solemnity of Brahms is directly
proportional to the size of the string section in the orchestra
that's playing his music..
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
Old-style conductors used to perform Brahms as if this music was al
mirthless exercizes in thematic variation etc. (Spot the theme!) Only
recently conductors bring out the colors and timbre combinations in
Brahms's orchestra music.
Nevertheless I just enjoyed listening to the recording by van Beinum.
That is an excellent Brahms 1. IIRC, it was while rehearsing the work
that he suffered his final, fatal heart attack.
Bob Harper
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