• Re: Barcarolle obsession - Still!!

    From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to josq...@aol.com on Thu Dec 22 18:38:17 2022
    On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 9:05:21 PM UTC-8, josq...@aol.com wrote:
    Lately I've been listening to many versions of Chopin's Barcarolle, but none seem to be quite right. Then I had the thought to check RMCR archives, and found this thread: https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topicsearchin/rec.music.classical.
    recordings/subject$3Abarcarolle/rec.music.classical.recordings/jYzgrNfr26Q

    Was just wondering about the feedback of the folks here today... Seems to me that this is a particularly difficult work to get right, since the flow has to continue despite all of the contrasting episodes.

    Please let us know about which versions you particularly admire - thanks!!

    (2022 Y. upload):

    "Why Chopin’s Barcarolle is your favorite piece (ft. Garrick Ohlsson & Emanuel Ax)"

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  • From Paul Alsing@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Thu Dec 22 22:55:47 2022
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 6:38:20 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 9:05:21 PM UTC-8, josq...@aol.com wrote:
    Lately I've been listening to many versions of Chopin's Barcarolle, but none seem to be quite right. Then I had the thought to check RMCR archives, and found this thread: https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topicsearchin/rec.music.classical.
    recordings/subject$3Abarcarolle/rec.music.classical.recordings/jYzgrNfr26Q

    Was just wondering about the feedback of the folks here today... Seems to me that this is a particularly difficult work to get right, since the flow has to continue despite all of the contrasting episodes.

    Please let us know about which versions you particularly admire - thanks!!
    (2022 Y. upload):

    "Why Chopin’s Barcarolle is your favorite piece (ft. Garrick Ohlsson & Emanuel Ax)"

    Nice!

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to pnal...@gmail.com on Thu Dec 22 22:57:02 2022
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 10:55:50 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 6:38:20 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 9:05:21 PM UTC-8, josq...@aol.com wrote:
    Lately I've been listening to many versions of Chopin's Barcarolle, but none seem to be quite right. Then I had the thought to check RMCR archives, and found this thread: https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topicsearchin/rec.music.classical.
    recordings/subject$3Abarcarolle/rec.music.classical.recordings/jYzgrNfr26Q

    Was just wondering about the feedback of the folks here today... Seems to me that this is a particularly difficult work to get right, since the flow has to continue despite all of the contrasting episodes.

    Please let us know about which versions you particularly admire - thanks!!
    (2022 Y. upload):

    "Why Chopin’s Barcarolle is your favorite piece (ft. Garrick Ohlsson & Emanuel Ax)"
    Nice!

    Too bad Olsson plays it like a machine.

    dk

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 23 03:08:31 2022
    I've never understood the affection for the Barcarolle. The repeated LH figure, which is pretty boring in itself, drills into your head like Pachelbel's Canon.

    I only listen to this piece in Chopin competitions if I need to.

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 23 02:25:42 2022
    Too bad Olsson plays it like a machine.

    His Goyescas and Scriabin and Debussy études are in my top ten.

    Henk

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Fri Dec 23 03:52:21 2022
    On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 12:08:33 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
    I've never understood the affection for the Barcarolle. The repeated LH figure, which is pretty boring in itself, drills into your head like Pachelbel's Canon.

    well, that's why.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to hvt...@xs4all.nl on Fri Dec 23 06:37:33 2022
    On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 2:25:44 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Too bad Olsson plays it like a machine.

    His Goyescas and Scriabin and
    Debussy études are in my top ten.

    So they are the tenth from the top?

    dk

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 23 06:55:11 2022
    Op vrijdag 23 december 2022 om 15:37:36 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
    On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 2:25:44 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Too bad Olsson plays it like a machine.

    His Goyescas and Scriabin and
    Debussy études are in my top ten.
    So they are the tenth from the top?

    Not necessarily. His Goyescas are different - and very easy to listen to. There are many excellent versions of the Debussy and somewhat less of the Scriabin.

    Henk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to hvt...@xs4all.nl on Fri Dec 23 11:10:28 2022
    On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 6:55:13 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Op vrijdag 23 december 2022 om 15:37:36 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
    On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 2:25:44 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Too bad Olsson plays it like a machine.

    His Goyescas and Scriabin and
    Debussy études are in my top ten.
    So they are the tenth from the top?

    Not necessarily. His Goyescas are different

    Different from what?

    - and very easy to listen to. There are
    many excellent versions of the Debussy
    and somewhat less of the Scriabin.

    Granados requires latin blood and DNA.
    Anglo-Saxons do not usually get the vibe.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejz2j73jmK0

    dk

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 23 13:27:10 2022
    Not necessarily. His Goyescas are different
    Different from what?

    From other versions. Very noble.

    Granados requires latin blood and DNA.
    Anglo-Saxons do not usually get the vibe.

    Yes, I have Dichamp. An excellent version.
    Normally, I don't believe you have to be born in Stratford to become a good Shakespeare actor. The same applies (mutatis mutandis) to Ohlsson.
    However, this version of the Rossignol seems to be proof to the contrary:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaRaAV5fnW4

    Henk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to hvt...@xs4all.nl on Fri Dec 23 13:32:22 2022
    On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 1:27:13 PM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
    Not necessarily. His Goyescas are different
    Different from what?
    From other versions. Very noble.
    Granados requires latin blood and DNA.
    Anglo-Saxons do not usually get the vibe.

    Yes, I have Dichamp. An excellent version.
    Normally, I don't believe you have to be born
    in Stratford to become a good Shakespeare
    actor. The same applies (mutatis mutandis)
    to Ohlsson. However, this version of the
    Rossignol seems to be proof to the contrary:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaRaAV5fnW4

    This is a complicated discussion we
    should entertain after Christmas.

    Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to hvt...@xs4all.nl on Fri Dec 23 13:34:00 2022
    On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 1:27:13 PM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaRaAV5fnW4


    Grosvenor's version is nice,
    though a little too smooth
    and polite for my taste.

    dk

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 23 14:52:06 2022
    Op vrijdag 23 december 2022 om 22:34:03 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
    On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 1:27:13 PM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaRaAV5fnW4


    Grosvenor's version is nice,
    though a little too smooth
    and polite for my taste.

    It has no character, but the playing is wonderful.

    Henk

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 23 14:53:29 2022
    Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!

    Merry Christmas and a happy 2023 to you too, and to all other members of RMCR.

    Henk

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