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  • Mahler. Fourth. Les Siecles. Roth. Devieilhe

    From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 22 04:41:49 2022
    I have now listened to this recording several times - the first time I was in tears after the first few bars of la divine Sabine's solo - and I am afraid I cannot find any similarity between this performance and the irredeemable disaster recently
    deplored at great length by David Hurwitz, a sort of New York Norman Lebrecht. Perhaps Harmonia Mundi prepared a special Hurwitz-baiting version to send to Classics Today?

    Mahler of course was one of those composers, who, like Carl Orff, just missed composing a world-wide hit in the realm of popular song. Orff nearly composed "Deep In The Heart of Texas" in 'Carmina Burana'. Mahler nearly wrote "You Are My Sunshine" in the
    First Symphony and "You've Gotta Have Heart" in the Fourth, parodied in my childhood as

    "You've got to have skin
    To keep your insides in ... "

    For those of us with short memories:

    < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7-__aXC4z0&t=25s >

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 22 05:15:07 2022
    Hurwitz: "Disgusting, revolting, appalling" and a couple seconds later "disgusting, offensive, racist".

    This is about a Mahler symphony that sounds not quite to his taste...

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  • From Gerard@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 22 14:36:19 2022
    Op 2022-12-22 om 14:15 schreef Herman:
    Hurwitz: "Disgusting, revolting, appalling" and a couple seconds later "disgusting, offensive, racist".

    This is about a Mahler symphony that sounds not quite to his taste...

    He considers all musicians who play music by Mahler (and Stravinsky,
    Debussy, Ravel, etc.) on period instruments as idiots "by definition".

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  • From tonyh@21:1/5 to Gerard on Thu Dec 22 08:13:38 2022
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 1:36:24 PM UTC, Gerard wrote:
    Op 2022-12-22 om 14:15 schreef Herman:
    Hurwitz: "Disgusting, revolting, appalling" and a couple seconds later "disgusting, offensive, racist".

    This is about a Mahler symphony that sounds not quite to his taste...
    He considers all musicians who play music by Mahler (and Stravinsky, Debussy, Ravel, etc.) on period instruments as idiots "by definition".

    Yes his year round-up lists are a complete joke. Makele's Sibelius cycle is maybe not the best out there, but it's not the disaster that Hurwitz makes it out to be. Likewise the Rattle Bruckner 4. Equally his 'best of' list is full of second-rate stuff
    like Kapustin and Florence Price, worthy in some ways but hardly life-changing musical discoveries. I followed him quite a bit at first but my new year resolutions is - no more Hurwitz !

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Gerard on Thu Dec 22 08:31:50 2022
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 5:36:24 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:
    Op 2022-12-22 om 14:15 schreef Herman:
    Hurwitz: "Disgusting, revolting, appalling" and a couple seconds later "disgusting, offensive, racist".

    This is about a Mahler symphony that sounds not quite to his taste...
    He considers all musicians who play music by Mahler (and Stravinsky,
    Debussy, Ravel, etc.) on period instruments as idiots "by definition".

    Seconded! ;-)

    dk

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  • From tonyh@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Thu Dec 22 11:38:16 2022
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 7:29:48 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 8:13:40 AM UTC-8, tonyh wrote:

    my new year resolutions is - no more Hurwitz !
    Retroactively? Asking for refunds? ;-)

    dk

    Oh God - I retract it all - he's just given rave to a Mahler 7 I love (all is forgiven Dave)...:))

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to tonyh on Thu Dec 22 11:29:45 2022
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 8:13:40 AM UTC-8, tonyh wrote:

    my new year resolutions is - no more Hurwitz !

    Retroactively? Asking for refunds? ;-)

    dk

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to tonyh on Thu Dec 22 13:27:45 2022
    On 2022-12-22 12:38 p.m., tonyh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 7:29:48 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 8:13:40 AM UTC-8, tonyh wrote:

    my new year resolutions is - no more Hurwitz !
    Retroactively? Asking for refunds? ;-)

    dk

    Oh God - I retract it all - he's just given rave to a Mahler 7 I love

    I'm sure you can get pills for that!

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  • From tonyh@21:1/5 to Herman on Thu Dec 22 13:03:53 2022
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 8:39:31 PM UTC, Herman wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 9:27:51 PM UTC+1, Graham wrote:


    Oh God - I retract it all - he's just given rave to a Mahler 7 I love
    I'm sure you can get pills for that!
    Yeah, what' does it matter?
    You love the Lille Mahler; so do you feel beter about it yet when this crazy guy gives this recording the thumbs up?

    Absolutely....

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to Graham on Thu Dec 22 12:39:29 2022
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 9:27:51 PM UTC+1, Graham wrote:


    Oh God - I retract it all - he's just given rave to a Mahler 7 I love
    I'm sure you can get pills for that!

    Yeah, what' does it matter?
    You love the Lille Mahler; so do you feel beter about it yet when this crazy guy gives this recording the thumbs up?

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