it’s clear that we need music directors who embrace
and support orchestras’ full missions, not just the
artistic parts of them.
On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 2:33:47 PM UTC-8, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
it’s clear that we need music directors who embrace
and support orchestras’ full missions, not just the
artistic parts of them.
What are orchestras' other missions besides "artistic"?
Cheerleading baseball and soccer games? Has "The
Slipped Disc" slipped itself into wokeness?
dk
On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 2:33:47 PM UTC-8, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
it’s clear that we need music directors who embrace
and support orchestras’ full missions, not just the
artistic parts of them.
What are orchestras' other missions besides "artistic"?
Cheerleading baseball and soccer games? Has "The
Slipped Disc" slipped itself into wokeness?
dk
On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 9:47:50 AM UTC+11, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 2:33:47 PM UTC-8, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
it’s clear that we need music directors who embrace
and support orchestras’ full missions, not just the
artistic parts of them.
What are orchestras' other missions besides "artistic"?
Cheerleading baseball and soccer games? Has "The
Slipped Disc" slipped itself into wokeness?
What's wrong with cheerleaders anyway?
I think that certain works might actually be improved by
their presence. Bruckner symphonies comes to mind here.
On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 9:47:50 AM UTC+11, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 2:33:47 PM UTC-8, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
it’s clear that we need music directors who embrace
and support orchestras’ full missions, not just the
artistic parts of them.
What are orchestras' other missions besides "artistic"?
Cheerleading baseball and soccer games? Has "The
Slipped Disc" slipped itself into wokeness?
Again, it's not Lebrecht speaking, the wokeness is reported
as coming from American orchestras trying to grow their
audiences. The informed comments on this article are an
interesting read, especially those from the City of Cheese.
I should mention that we do have an orchestra here in Canberra,
Yes we all know this. My point however was thet the Slipped
Disc is picking the wokeness vibe. That's contagious.
On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 6:32:24 PM UTC-6, dan....@gmail.com wrote:whether that be a Lenny or a Mirga.
Yes we all know this. My point however was thet the SlippedAnd like most infections, everybody will be immune to it once it has been exhausted by everyone who can make a buck off it (and sound sincere while doing it). That said, if the market for orchestras shrinks, the greater value "sexy" maestros will be,
Disc is picking the wokeness vibe. That's contagious.
On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 3:33:25 PM UTC-8, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 9:47:50 AM UTC+11, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 2:33:47 PM UTC-8, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
it’s clear that we need music directors who embrace
and support orchestras’ full missions, not just the
artistic parts of them.
What are orchestras' other missions besides "artistic"?
Cheerleading baseball and soccer games? Has "The
Slipped Disc" slipped itself into wokeness?
Again, it's not Lebrecht speaking, the wokeness is reportedYes we all know this. My point however was thet the Slipped
as coming from American orchestras trying to grow their
audiences. The informed comments on this article are an
interesting read, especially those from the City of Cheese.
Disc is picking the wokeness vibe. That's contagious.
I should mention that we do have an orchestra here in Canberra,Is there any other reason to see Canberra?
On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 11:32:24 AM UTC+11, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 3:33:25 PM UTC-8, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 9:47:50 AM UTC+11, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 2:33:47 PM UTC-8, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
it’s clear that we need music directors who embrace
and support orchestras’ full missions, not just the
artistic parts of them.
What are orchestras' other missions besides "artistic"?
Cheerleading baseball and soccer games? Has "The
Slipped Disc" slipped itself into wokeness?
Again, it's not Lebrecht speaking, the wokeness is reportedYes we all know this. My point however was thet the Slipped
as coming from American orchestras trying to grow their
audiences. The informed comments on this article are an
interesting read, especially those from the City of Cheese.
Disc is picking the wokeness vibe. That's contagious.
I should mention that we do have an orchestra here in Canberra,Is there any other reason to see Canberra?
My dear Deek, I realise that this is a
city you are most unlikely to visit.
There is an interesting article in Slipped Disc which is likely to be reasonably accurate than usual for that august journal as it was not written by Norman Lebrecht, who might be described as a sort of British David Hurwitz without the scarves and thechutzpah. It is part of a letter from Simon Woods, president of the League of American Orchestras
"Today, as we try to find our way in a society that has dramatically evolved in the last few years around expectations of community, inclusion, and audience building, it’s clear that we need music directors who embrace and support orchestras’ fullmissions, not just the artistic parts of them. At the time of writing, I don’t know of an executive director or board chair of an American orchestra who is not deeply anxious about the future of their audiences. This is not just the normal handwringing
< https://slippedisc.com/2022/12/us-orchestras-are-told-to-change-their-music-director-role/ >There is another difference - I don't think Hurwitz lies or steals
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 2:00:52 PM UTC+11, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
And like most infections, everybody will be immune to it
once it has been exhausted by everyone who can make a
buck off it (and sound sincere while doing it). That said, if
the market for orchestras shrinks, the greater value "sexy"
maestros will be, whether that be a Lenny or a Mirga.
I find interesting that some of our American cousins are
avoiding the issue. What the text clearly says, irrespective
of Lebrecht's motives might or might not be, is that some
US orchestras may well find themselves with players and
an endowment but not much of an audience.
On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 3:33:25 PM UTC-8, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 9:47:50 AM UTC+11, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 2:33:47 PM UTC-8, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
What are orchestras' other missions besides "artistic"?
it’s clear that we need music directors who embrace
and support orchestras’ full missions, not just the
artistic parts of them.
Cheerleading baseball and soccer games? Has "The
Slipped Disc" slipped itself into wokeness?
Again, it's not Lebrecht speaking, the wokeness is reported
as coming from American orchestras trying to grow their
audiences. The informed comments on this article are an
interesting read, especially those from the City of Cheese.
Yes we all know this. My point however was thet the Slipped
Disc is picking the wokeness vibe. That's contagious.
I should mention that we do have an orchestra here in Canberra,
Is there any other reason to see Canberra?
dk
On 12/21/22 4:32 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 3:33:25 PM UTC-8, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 9:47:50 AM UTC+11, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 2:33:47 PM UTC-8, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
What are orchestras' other missions besides "artistic"?
it’s clear that we need music directors who embrace
and support orchestras’ full missions, not just the
artistic parts of them.
Cheerleading baseball and soccer games? Has "The
Slipped Disc" slipped itself into wokeness?
Again, it's not Lebrecht speaking, the wokeness is reported
as coming from American orchestras trying to grow their
audiences. The informed comments on this article are an
interesting read, especially those from the City of Cheese.
Yes we all know this. My point however was thet the Slipped
Disc is picking the wokeness vibe. That's contagious.
I should mention that we do have an orchestra here in Canberra,
Is there any other reason to see Canberra?
dk
A trip out of town to Clonakilla is reason enough. Some of the finest
wine in OZ made there. The Capitol area is....interesting.
Bob Harper
On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 3:18:20 PM UTC+11, Bob Harper wrote:terminal from the inside. We also have the world's most forgettable downtown area called "Civic", famed for its shopping mall ... Oh yes, and Lake Burley Griffin, perhaps the city's best feature.
A trip out of town to Clonakilla is reason enough. Some of the finest
wine in OZ made there. The Capitol area is....interesting.
Bob Harper
Last time I looked, Bob, the Capitol was still in Washington DC. Here, we have the Parliamentary Triangle, which includes Old Parliament House and New Parliament House, the latter being quite striking from the outside while resembling an airport
If you want rugged grandeur, there's always the Big Merino at Goulburn, about an hour's drive away.
Meanwhile, you have some big orchestras with big maestros and big endowments with declining audiences and El Zilcho recording contracts. Might this constitute a problem?
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
On 12/23/22 1:34 PM, Andrew Clarke wrote:terminal from the inside. We also have the world's most forgettable downtown area called "Civic", famed for its shopping mall ... Oh yes, and Lake Burley Griffin, perhaps the city's best feature.
On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 3:18:20 PM UTC+11, Bob Harper wrote:
A trip out of town to Clonakilla is reason enough. Some of the finest
wine in OZ made there. The Capitol area is....interesting.
Bob Harper
Last time I looked, Bob, the Capitol was still in Washington DC. Here, we have the Parliamentary Triangle, which includes Old Parliament House and New Parliament House, the latter being quite striking from the outside while resembling an airport
If you want rugged grandeur, there's always the Big Merino at Goulburn, about an hour's drive away.
Meanwhile, you have some big orchestras with big maestros and big endowments with declining audiences and El Zilcho recording contracts. Might this constitute a problem?
Andrew ClarkeAndrew, I didn't know that's what it's called, so consider me corrected.
Canberra
The Old Parliament House was impressive, at least to us. The new one
wasn't open (at least I don't think so), but I can well imagine that it resembles an airport terminal inside. The contrast between the two says
a great deal.
We did eat at an excellent Hungarian restaurant in the downtown area;
don't recall the name. Still, for us, Clonakilla's the best feature of
the area :).
Bob Harper
On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 12:01:48 PM UTC+11, Bob Harper wrote:terminal from the inside. We also have the world's most forgettable downtown area called "Civic", famed for its shopping mall ... Oh yes, and Lake Burley Griffin, perhaps the city's best feature.
On 12/23/22 1:34 PM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 3:18:20 PM UTC+11, Bob Harper wrote:
A trip out of town to Clonakilla is reason enough. Some of the finest
wine in OZ made there. The Capitol area is....interesting.
Bob Harper
Last time I looked, Bob, the Capitol was still in Washington DC. Here, we have the Parliamentary Triangle, which includes Old Parliament House and New Parliament House, the latter being quite striking from the outside while resembling an airport
the Australian National Gallery, also well worth a visit.If you want rugged grandeur, there's always the Big Merino at Goulburn, about an hour's drive away.Andrew, I didn't know that's what it's called, so consider me corrected.
Meanwhile, you have some big orchestras with big maestros and big endowments with declining audiences and El Zilcho recording contracts. Might this constitute a problem?
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
The Old Parliament House was impressive, at least to us. The new one
wasn't open (at least I don't think so), but I can well imagine that it
resembles an airport terminal inside. The contrast between the two says
a great deal.
We did eat at an excellent Hungarian restaurant in the downtown area;
don't recall the name. Still, for us, Clonakilla's the best feature of
the area :).
Bob Harper
The old building, opened in 1927, was only supposed to be temporary until a more grandiose structure was built, but in the event, it remained the site of Australia's Federal Parliament for sixty years. It's now a museum, as you know. Not far away is
What Americans call 'downtown', we call the CBD (Central Business District) and Canberra's is split in two by a four-lane road (Northbourne Avenue) so you can drive right through it and across Commonwealth Bridge over the lake without even knowing.
Andrew Clarke
still in Canberra
On 12/23/22 6:16 PM, Andrew Clarke wrote:terminal from the inside. We also have the world's most forgettable downtown area called "Civic", famed for its shopping mall ... Oh yes, and Lake Burley Griffin, perhaps the city's best feature.
On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 12:01:48 PM UTC+11, Bob Harper wrote:
On 12/23/22 1:34 PM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 3:18:20 PM UTC+11, Bob Harper wrote:
A trip out of town to Clonakilla is reason enough. Some of the finest >>>> wine in OZ made there. The Capitol area is....interesting.
Bob Harper
Last time I looked, Bob, the Capitol was still in Washington DC. Here, we have the Parliamentary Triangle, which includes Old Parliament House and New Parliament House, the latter being quite striking from the outside while resembling an airport
the Australian National Gallery, also well worth a visit.If you want rugged grandeur, there's always the Big Merino at Goulburn, about an hour's drive away.Andrew, I didn't know that's what it's called, so consider me corrected. >> The Old Parliament House was impressive, at least to us. The new one
Meanwhile, you have some big orchestras with big maestros and big endowments with declining audiences and El Zilcho recording contracts. Might this constitute a problem?
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
wasn't open (at least I don't think so), but I can well imagine that it >> resembles an airport terminal inside. The contrast between the two says >> a great deal.
We did eat at an excellent Hungarian restaurant in the downtown area;
don't recall the name. Still, for us, Clonakilla's the best feature of
the area :).
Bob Harper
The old building, opened in 1927, was only supposed to be temporary until a more grandiose structure was built, but in the event, it remained the site of Australia's Federal Parliament for sixty years. It's now a museum, as you know. Not far away is
What Americans call 'downtown', we call the CBD (Central Business District) and Canberra's is split in two by a four-lane road (Northbourne Avenue) so you can drive right through it and across Commonwealth Bridge over the lake without even knowing.
Andrew ClarkeWell, Canberra does have an....unfinished air about it, sort of like Albuquerque, New Mexico :).
still in Canberra
Bob Harper
On 12/24/22 2:39 AM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 5:03:17 PM UTC+11, Bob Harper wrote:
On 12/23/22 6:16 PM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 12:01:48 PM UTC+11, Bob Harper wrote: >>>>> On 12/23/22 1:34 PM, Andrew Clarke wrote:Well, Canberra does have an....unfinished air about it, sort of like
On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 3:18:20 PM UTC+11, Bob Harper wrote: >>>>>>Andrew, I didn't know that's what it's called, so consider me
A trip out of town to Clonakilla is reason enough. Some of the
finest
wine in OZ made there. The Capitol area is....interesting.
Bob Harper
Last time I looked, Bob, the Capitol was still in Washington DC.
Here, we have the Parliamentary Triangle, which includes Old
Parliament House and New Parliament House, the latter being quite
striking from the outside while resembling an airport terminal
from the inside. We also have the world's most forgettable
downtown area called "Civic", famed for its shopping mall ... Oh
yes, and Lake Burley Griffin, perhaps the city's best feature.
If you want rugged grandeur, there's always the Big Merino at
Goulburn, about an hour's drive away.
Meanwhile, you have some big orchestras with big maestros and big
endowments with declining audiences and El Zilcho recording
contracts. Might this constitute a problem?
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
corrected.
The Old Parliament House was impressive, at least to us. The new one >>>>> wasn't open (at least I don't think so), but I can well imagine
that it
resembles an airport terminal inside. The contrast between the two
says
a great deal.
We did eat at an excellent Hungarian restaurant in the downtown area; >>>>> don't recall the name. Still, for us, Clonakilla's the best feature of >>>>> the area :).
Bob Harper
The old building, opened in 1927, was only supposed to be temporary
until a more grandiose structure was built, but in the event, it
remained the site of Australia's Federal Parliament for sixty years.
It's now a museum, as you know. Not far away is the Australian
National Gallery, also well worth a visit.
What Americans call 'downtown', we call the CBD (Central Business
District) and Canberra's is split in two by a four-lane road
(Northbourne Avenue) so you can drive right through it and across
Commonwealth Bridge over the lake without even knowing.
Andrew Clarke
still in Canberra
Albuquerque, New Mexico :).
Bob Harper
Hmm. I cannot imagine Bugs Bunny failing to take a left hand turn in
Canberra, as he famously did in Albuquerque on several occasions. Nor
does Canberra have the same problems of crime and poverty as
Albuquerque. It's also a much younger settlement - it was sheep
pasture until the 1920s - and much richer, being the home of lots of
lots of civil servants with job security and good salaries. The
overall impression is of well-heeled suburban respectability, with
only one or two areas where petty crime is a problem. It has the
reputation in Australia (and elsewhere) of being a place where it's
safe, comfortable but architecturally undistinguished and very, very
boring. It was said in the 1970s that the busiest place in Canberra
was the local airport on a Friday evening, when everybody who could
afford it "went home" to Sydney or Melbourne, but that has changed
now. Its main attraction is the hilly countryside around it, the
Brindabella Ranges and a couple of national parks. In winter, the
Snowy Mountain ski resorts are not too far away. In summer, the coast
is a couple of hours away, although the roads down the side of the
Great Dividing Range can be narrow, twisting, very steep and full of
traffic at the beginning and end of the school holidays.
Musical life has generally revolved around the School of Music at the
Australian National University, although this is less prosperous than
it used to be, with many students preferring the fleshpots of
Melbourne and Sydney. There is a branch of Musica Viva Australia here,
and so we do get some very distinguished pianists and chamber
ensembles giving recitals here, although I don't remember the McDeek
of that Ilk making an appearance. But for anything grander than that,
you generally need to travel 300km to Sydney.
Andrew Clarke
arrived here to study in 1973 with no intention of staying.
I didn't mean to imply that Cabnberra had the same problems as
Albuquerque, just that it looked unfinished in places, with, for
example, cattle grazing in some open areas of the city when we were
there 5 or so years ago.
Re excitement, I can report that my SIL, a native Sydneysider, referred
to it on one occasion, in all sober seriousness, as Canboring. I suspect that's overstated, but Sydney it ain't.
Bob Harper
On 12/24/22 10:18 AM, Bob Harper wrote:
On 12/24/22 2:39 AM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 5:03:17 PM UTC+11, Bob Harper wrote: >>> On 12/23/22 6:16 PM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 12:01:48 PM UTC+11, Bob Harper wrote: >>>>> On 12/23/22 1:34 PM, Andrew Clarke wrote:Well, Canberra does have an....unfinished air about it, sort of like
On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 3:18:20 PM UTC+11, Bob Harper wrote: >>>>>>Andrew, I didn't know that's what it's called, so consider me
A trip out of town to Clonakilla is reason enough. Some of the >>>>>>> finest
wine in OZ made there. The Capitol area is....interesting.
Bob Harper
Last time I looked, Bob, the Capitol was still in Washington DC. >>>>>> Here, we have the Parliamentary Triangle, which includes Old
Parliament House and New Parliament House, the latter being quite >>>>>> striking from the outside while resembling an airport terminal
from the inside. We also have the world's most forgettable
downtown area called "Civic", famed for its shopping mall ... Oh >>>>>> yes, and Lake Burley Griffin, perhaps the city's best feature.
If you want rugged grandeur, there's always the Big Merino at
Goulburn, about an hour's drive away.
Meanwhile, you have some big orchestras with big maestros and big >>>>>> endowments with declining audiences and El Zilcho recording
contracts. Might this constitute a problem?
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
corrected.
The Old Parliament House was impressive, at least to us. The new one >>>>> wasn't open (at least I don't think so), but I can well imagine
that it
resembles an airport terminal inside. The contrast between the two >>>>> says
a great deal.
We did eat at an excellent Hungarian restaurant in the downtown area; >>>>> don't recall the name. Still, for us, Clonakilla's the best feature of >>>>> the area :).
Bob Harper
The old building, opened in 1927, was only supposed to be temporary >>>> until a more grandiose structure was built, but in the event, it
remained the site of Australia's Federal Parliament for sixty years. >>>> It's now a museum, as you know. Not far away is the Australian
National Gallery, also well worth a visit.
What Americans call 'downtown', we call the CBD (Central Business
District) and Canberra's is split in two by a four-lane road
(Northbourne Avenue) so you can drive right through it and across
Commonwealth Bridge over the lake without even knowing.
Andrew Clarke
still in Canberra
Albuquerque, New Mexico :).
Bob Harper
Hmm. I cannot imagine Bugs Bunny failing to take a left hand turn in
Canberra, as he famously did in Albuquerque on several occasions. Nor
does Canberra have the same problems of crime and poverty as
Albuquerque. It's also a much younger settlement - it was sheep
pasture until the 1920s - and much richer, being the home of lots of
lots of civil servants with job security and good salaries. The
overall impression is of well-heeled suburban respectability, with
only one or two areas where petty crime is a problem. It has the
reputation in Australia (and elsewhere) of being a place where it's
safe, comfortable but architecturally undistinguished and very, very
boring. It was said in the 1970s that the busiest place in Canberra
was the local airport on a Friday evening, when everybody who could
afford it "went home" to Sydney or Melbourne, but that has changed
now. Its main attraction is the hilly countryside around it, the
Brindabella Ranges and a couple of national parks. In winter, the
Snowy Mountain ski resorts are not too far away. In summer, the coast
is a couple of hours away, although the roads down the side of the
Great Dividing Range can be narrow, twisting, very steep and full of
traffic at the beginning and end of the school holidays.
Musical life has generally revolved around the School of Music at the
Australian National University, although this is less prosperous than
it used to be, with many students preferring the fleshpots of
Melbourne and Sydney. There is a branch of Musica Viva Australia here,
and so we do get some very distinguished pianists and chamber
ensembles giving recitals here, although I don't remember the McDeek
of that Ilk making an appearance. But for anything grander than that,
you generally need to travel 300km to Sydney.
Andrew Clarke
arrived here to study in 1973 with no intention of staying.
I didn't mean to imply that Cabnberra had the same problems as Albuquerque, just that it looked unfinished in places, with, for
example, cattle grazing in some open areas of the city when we were
there 5 or so years ago.
Re excitement, I can report that my SIL, a native Sydneysider, referred
to it on one occasion, in all sober seriousness, as Canboring. I suspect that's overstated, but Sydney it ain't.
Bob Harper
I should add that we thoroughly enjoyed our visit.
Bob Harper
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