On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 5:15:08 PM UTC-8, Bozo wrote:

On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 11:31:17 AM UTC-6, dk wrote:
I had a hunch something was rotten! ;-)

But, I thought that was in Denmark, not Hoallnd ?

Since that was written the rot has spread
all over Europe, and even across the pond.

Chris Columbus' ships carried it. By now
it is embedded in most salami in the US.

dk

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On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 2:41:12 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

And only one woman pianist on the menu?

Riaskoff invited since 1987-8 Argerich, Davidovich, Grimaud,
Kravitchenko, the Labêques, de Larrocha, Pires, Rana, Tipo,
Uchida, Virsaladze, Wang, Zilberstein - circa 1:9.

I've no idea why Amsterdam isn't more popular with woman
pianists. Although, is there anyone really missing? Besides
Yeol Eum Son, Claire Huangci, Fliter?

Add HJ Lim, Ayako Uehara, Aimi Kobayashi, Hiromi Uehara.
The latter's 2022 European Tour skipped Amsterdam.

Perhaps the question to ask is rather why Amsterdam
concert promoters appear to be less interested in
bringing in women pianists -- especially since so
many of them are Asian. Could it be Herman
whispering something into their ears?

I also heard rumors through the piano grapevine
that the Concertgebouw provides only Steinways
on stage, which could discourage or even prevent
Yamaha/Bosendoerfer artists from performin there
(e.g. Lisitsa or HJ Lim) unless they schlepp in their
instruments. Can any of the locals verify is this is
true?

dk

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Op zaterdag 17 december 2022 om 17:31:04 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:

On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 2:41:12 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

And only one woman pianist on the menu?

Riaskoff invited since 1987-8 Argerich, Davidovich, Grimaud,
Kravitchenko, the Labêques, de Larrocha, Pires, Rana, Tipo,
Uchida, Virsaladze, Wang, Zilberstein - circa 1:9.

I've no idea why Amsterdam isn't more popular with woman
pianists. Although, is there anyone really missing? Besides
Yeol Eum Son, Claire Huangci, Fliter?

Add HJ Lim, Ayako Uehara, Aimi Kobayashi, Hiromi Uehara.
The latter's 2022 European Tour skipped Amsterdam.

Perhaps the question to ask is rather why Amsterdam
concert promoters appear to be less interested in
bringing in women pianists -- especially since so
many of them are Asian. Could it be Herman
whispering something into their ears?

I also heard rumors through the piano grapevine
that the Concertgebouw provides only Steinways
on stage, which could discourage or even prevent
Yamaha/Bosendoerfer artists from performin there
(e.g. Lisitsa or HJ Lim) unless they schlepp in their
instruments. Can any of the locals verify is this is
true?

dk

So it seems. Het Concertgebouw is said to provide several D-Steinways. Performers may hire or bring their own instrument.

Henk

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Perhaps the question to ask is rather why Amsterdam
concert promoters appear to be less interested in
bringing in women pianists -- especially since so
many of them are Asian. Could it be Herman
whispering something into their ears?

Riaskoff's Meesterpianisten series didn't survive Covid. No one has taken over yet. There are no ears for Herman to whisper in.

Henk

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On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 6:42:52 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

Riaskoff's Meesterpianisten series didn't survive Covid. No one has taken over yet. There are no ears for Herman to whisper in.

Mind my saying that I never 'whispered in Riaskoff's ear'?

You guys are really nasty and evil.

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On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 7:14:28 PM UTC+1, Herman wrote:

On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 6:42:52 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

Riaskoff's Meesterpianisten series didn't survive Covid. No one has taken over yet. There are no ears for Herman to whisper in.

Mind my saying that I never 'whispered in Riaskoff's ear'?

You guys are really nasty and evil.

I will say this one, last time.
I am all for female performers. My mother was a female stage performer, my GF is (obviously) a female performer. I'm always interested in female performers. If anything I would have a prejudice in favour of female performers.

I have nothing against Asian performers; nor do I have (the most godawful nasty and evil slur DK levelled at me) a thing against Jewish performers.
The only thing that can be said is I don't have an immediate interest in very young performers. I can wait.

I don't mention individual performers a lot, I don't believe in 'championing'. However, the one time I mentioned Isabelle Faust, who, as you can tell, is a female violinist, immediately this ass starts a campaign that this is proof I'm an antisemite -
I guess Faust isn't Jewish. Frankly I had never even thought about it.

I used to be on handshake greetings terms with Riaskoff, but this sick idea that I would be telling him whom to invite or not, is infantile and ignorant. These organisers talk with agents. Period.

This evil and sick campaign of DK painting me as someone who has the above prejudices is insufferable. Like Todd said just a day ago, this guy is poisoning this group with his evil shit.

So thanks, Henk, I hope you had a giggle, joining in this evil campaign.

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Op zaterdag 17 december 2022 om 19:34:47 UTC+1 schreef Herman:

So thanks, Henk, I hope you had a giggle, joining in this evil campaign.

Irony is notoriously difficult to spot in a post. Since you mentioned your mother, girlfriend and Todd, I assume you really have problems with DK's posts, and mine. You're a decent guy and wouldn't have involved them otherwise.

To perhaps make the situation a little less 'evil': I don't believe you are a misogynist, racist or whatever else you are not.

What makes me grin (not giggle) sometimes, I must admit, is the fact that you can't leave DK alone. He has always been who he is and won't change - and why should he? He owes us nothing.

Henk

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On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 9:08:19 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

What makes me grin (not giggle) sometimes, I must admit, is the fact that you can't leave DK alone. He has always been who he is and won't change - and why should he? He owes us nothing.

Henk

You're a fool and an evil liar. I despise you for perpetuating these evil memes such as that I would be a racist.....

If you just check the above posts, you will see that it is just you and this monster who are concocting this. I wasn't involved until you started having your evil gossip fun.
And suggesting someone is a racist isn't gossip.
Go fuck yourself you evil old fogey.

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On 2022-12-17 1:08 p.m., HT wrote:

Op zaterdag 17 december 2022 om 19:34:47 UTC+1 schreef Herman:

So thanks, Henk, I hope you had a giggle, joining in this evil campaign.

Irony is notoriously difficult to spot in a post. Since you mentioned your mother, girlfriend and Todd, I assume you really have problems with DK's posts, and mine. You're a decent guy and wouldn't have involved them otherwise.

To perhaps make the situation a little less 'evil': I don't believe you are a misogynist, racist or whatever else you are not.

What makes me grin (not giggle) sometimes, I must admit, is the fact that you can't leave DK alone. He has always been who he is and won't change - and why should he? He owes us nothing.

Henk

Looking for balance, perhaps we should try and persuade TD to return:-)

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Op zaterdag 17 december 2022 om 23:33:27 UTC+1 schreef Graham:

Looking for balance, perhaps we should try and persuade TD to return:-)

<g> I see no need. DK isn't the most diplomatic among us, but in many ways, he is the most constructive: he keeps RMCR alive and kicking - and doesn't expect anything in return (unlike TD).

Henk

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On 12/17/22 3:08 PM, HT wrote:

Op zaterdag 17 december 2022 om 19:34:47 UTC+1 schreef Herman:

So thanks, Henk, I hope you had a giggle, joining in this evil campaign.

Irony is notoriously difficult to spot in a post. Since you mentioned your mother, girlfriend and Todd, I assume you really have problems with DK's posts, and mine. You're a decent guy and wouldn't have involved them otherwise.

To perhaps make the situation a little less 'evil': I don't believe you are a misogynist, racist or whatever else you are not.

What makes me grin (not giggle) sometimes, I must admit, is the fact that you can't leave DK alone. He has always been who he is and won't change - and why should he? He owes us nothing.

Henk

Henk, you are generally one of the most wise and valuable contributors
here so I hesitate to disagree, but something is owed to us - this forum itself. As was shown in the recent posting by mswd of a thread from
2010, toxic exchanges have regularly occurred at RMCR, and it has
survived. What is different now is the loss of so many key contributors
and soon this group might turn into a wasteland like rec.music.opera.

As has been noted previously, civilization will survive our demise - but something special will be lost. I recognize that as a complete amateur I
have little to contribute, but have benefited immeasurably from the
discussions here by discovering new composers, works, and performances,
as well as gaining a greater appreciation for the finer points of interpretation.

Well, here I go again! As pointed out by Todd, I have an unfortunate
habit of lecturing in a heavy-handed way. But I think I have contributed
to the group by starting threads which have induced great participation
- only to be admonished for the possible misuse of the word "effective":

"You may not be sure how effective are transcriptions, however to ask
such a
question one has to be a silly narrow
minded literalist engaging in pointless
hair splitting of performing arts".

Or when I ask folks to share their thoughts about transcriptions:

"Why do you care about people's "thoughts"?
Every person hears, listens and experiences
music differently -- such experiences cannot
be shared with others in writing".

And then in his thread we are asked:

" I am interested in hearing
how people listen and in
finding out what they like
and what they don't."

Why would people want to start threads here when they they get this sort
of reaction? And if there are no threads, at some point there is no forum!

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Op zondag 18 december 2022 om 00:20:43 UTC+1 schreef Notsure01:

Why would people want to start threads here when they they get this sort
of reaction? And if there are no threads, at some point there is no forum!

Melmoth's monthly survey shows that quite a few of us start threads, probably because we feel like it. G8 is a clear example of someone who does not expect positive feedback in return for his links and (recently) for his insightful comments.

As young Herman (iirc) noted not long ago, most of us have 5-10 years before we have to stop participating in whatever we are participating in. Groups are out, classical music too. The future of a combination of the two looks bleak to say the least, with
or without DK.

It would be unethical to expect DK to adapt a sociable or empathetic personality. It would be asking him to pretend to be what he is not.

By the way, my deep appreciation for your input and fortitude in this occasionally rough environment.

Henk

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On 12/17/22 6:08 PM, HT wrote:

Op zaterdag 17 december 2022 om 23:33:27 UTC+1 schreef Graham:

Looking for balance, perhaps we should try and persuade TD to return:-)

<g> I see no need. DK isn't the most diplomatic among us, but in many ways, he is the most constructive: he keeps RMCR alive and kicking - and doesn't expect anything in return (unlike TD).

Henk

It's one thing for him to question someone's intelligence or judgment,
but to accuse Herman of prejudice goes much too far - and is not
something to joke about.

I sincerely admire Dan - his vast knowledge of pianists and piano
literature (and of other genres), his taste in performance styles (which
I find I share) and above all his enormous generosity in sharing his discoveries with all of us.

It's also great to be provocative when it stirs up discussion and debate
- and we shouldn't overreact when our opinions are challenged.

But it isn't helpful to call people idiots - particularly those who are
new to this group. I hope he can be persuaded to tone it down - at least
a little bit!

And as for me, it would be great to get opinions as to my contributions
- if it would help RMCR I'll be glad to going back to lurking...

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Peope should have the freedom to post here without being called an antisemite, just for no reason.

For DK that is just a fun charge, but I don't want to be called an antisemite just because I once mentioned Isabelle Faust. When I said I admire expecially the Juilliard's Raphael Hillyer - it was a sign of antisemitism in DK;'s evil and demented mind
to mention a Jewish ALTO player. That's how sick and evil this guy is.
He thinks it's fun, and there are tons of Henks who stand by and chuckle admiringly at this, because they're scared of being the next one.

It's a hateful and calculated charge, just as it's calculated that DK is lying low now, and enjoying the anger and pain he's causing.

I don't want to be called a antisemite or a misogynist or anti-Asian. Where I grew up our neighbours were holocaust survivors, man and wife, they had the Auschwitz numbers inside their arms. It's evil to call people antisemite just for fun, and make a
campaign out of it. I see DK mentioning me iun all kinds of topics, using silly Nazi-ish names, just for fun. I don't freact, but it's clear he's creating a climate of hate and fear, just out of boredom. That's evil.

This is a music group. Not a hate group. Or at least that's what it used to be.

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RMCR is a vehicle for DK's deep and hateful racism, period.
He will accuse participants by any means, and on transparantly fictional grounds of antisemitism, and, just for effect, misogyny (not that any of the senescent particpants here care), too.
The complete transparancy of these vile and evil charges is the point.
It's meant to show people that anyone can be the next one.
That's why an gibbering fool like Henk is assisting DK in these evil jokes, and paying him compliments, saying it would "unethical" - yes, you have heard it right - to remind him it is bad to level antisemitism charges at just anyone.
No, it is FUN to call someone in this group a racist, or an antisemite, as you long as it's not you. That's Henk, who even brings in the word unethical to save his sick and evil skin.

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On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 3:08:06 PM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

Op zaterdag 17 december 2022 om 23:33:27 UTC+1 schreef Graham:

Looking for balance, perhaps we should try and persuade TD to return:-)

<g> I see no need. DK isn't the most diplomatic among us, but in many ways,
he is the most constructive: he keeps RMCR alive and kicking - and doesn't expect anything in return (unlike TD).

Thanks, this is very gracious of you!

I hope however to see a couple of things happen:

1) The group should be chartered and moderated.

2) Anonymous posting should not be allowed.

3) All the metronomes must be rounded up,
walked to the nearest parking lot, blindfolded,
shot and burned. ;-)

dk

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On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 1:29:16 AM UTC+1, Notsure01 wrote:

It's one thing for him to question someone's intelligence or judgment,
but to accuse Herman of prejudice goes much too far - and is not
something to joke about.

I was not accused of being prejudiced towards one thing or another (piano or harpsichord); I was flat out accused of antisemitism. And for greater sticking effect (this is all clearly calculated) misogyny and Anti-Asian feelings were added to it.

That's a whole different ball game. It's evil. Pure evil.

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