There is no shortage of excellent versions of
Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
however sounds truly special to my weary ears:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0
Enjoy!
dk
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:29:26 PM UTC-8, George wrote:
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:49:43 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
There is no shortage of excellent versions of
Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
however sounds truly special to my weary ears:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0
Richter/Wislocki?
Nope, Richter's approach
to the work was different.
As I said so many times
already, I am not looking
for answers to quizzes. I
am interested in hearing
how people listen and in
finding out what they like
and what they don't.
If you want to treat this
as a quiz, have at it, but
this is not my goal. You
didn't even say if you
liked it!
Did you like it? If so,
why? If not, why?
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:49:43 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
There is no shortage of excellent versions of
Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
however sounds truly special to my weary ears:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0
Richter/Wislocki?
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:18:25 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:29:26 PM UTC-8, George wrote:
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:49:43 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
There is no shortage of excellent versions of
Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
however sounds truly special to my weary ears:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0
Richter/Wislocki?
Nope, Richter's approach
to the work was different.
As I said so many times
already, I am not looking
for answers to quizzes. I
am interested in hearing
how people listen and in
finding out what they like
and what they don't.
If you want to treat this
as a quiz, have at it, but
this is not my goal. You
didn't even say if you
liked it!
Did you like it? If so,
why? If not, why?
If one listens carefully one
doesn't fail to notice this is
a broader, more inflected
reading than Richter's.
As I said so many times
already, I am not looking
for answers to quizzes. I
am interested in hearing
how people listen and in
finding out what they like
and what they don't.
Why do you care about people's "thoughts"?
Every person hears, listens and experiences
music differently -- such experiences cannot
be shared with others in writing. As my friend
Clara likes to say, "talking about music is like
dancing about architecture".
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:29:26 PM UTC-8, George wrote:
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:49:43 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote: >>>
There is no shortage of excellent versions of
Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
however sounds truly special to my weary ears:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0
Richter/Wislocki?
Nope, Richter's approach
to the work was different.
As I said so many times
already, I am not looking
for answers to quizzes. I
am interested in hearing
how people listen and in
finding out what they like
and what they don't.
If you want to treat this
as a quiz, have at it, but
this is not my goal. You
didn't even say if you
liked it!
Did you like it? If so,
why? If not, why?
Thanks!
dk
Op 2022-12-16 om 06:18 schreef Dan Koren:
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:29:26 PM UTC-8, George wrote:
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:49:43 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
There is no shortage of excellent versions of
Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
however sounds truly special to my weary ears:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0
Richter/Wislocki?
Nope, Richter's approach
to the work was different.
As I said so many times
already, I am not looking
for answers to quizzes. I
am interested in hearing
how people listen and in
finding out what they like
and what they don't.
If you want to treat this
as a quiz, have at it, but
this is not my goal. You
didn't even say if you
liked it!
Did you like it? If so,
why? If not, why?
Thanks!
Why should people listen to
all quizzes you post and to
all Youtube videos behind
all the URLs you post? Why
should people give their
opinions and thoughts
while you don't care
about people's "thoughts"?
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:48:55 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:
Op 2022-12-16 om 06:18 schreef Dan Koren:
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:29:26 PM UTC-8, George wrote:
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:49:43 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
There is no shortage of excellent versions of
Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
however sounds truly special to my weary ears:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0
Richter/Wislocki?
Nope, Richter's approach
to the work was different.
As I said so many times
already, I am not looking
for answers to quizzes. I
am interested in hearing
how people listen and in
finding out what they like
and what they don't.
If you want to treat this
as a quiz, have at it, but
this is not my goal. You
didn't even say if you
liked it!
Did you like it? If so,
why? If not, why?
Thanks!
Why should people listen to
all quizzes you post and to
These are not "quizzes", as I
said often, and no one HAS
to listen to anything one is
not interested in hearing.
You clearly cannot read or
connect the words. This ng
is a free open forum. You,
Herman and Melmoth seem
to think it is a classroom
where everybody works
on the same assignment.
all Youtube videos behind
all the URLs you post? Why
should people give their
opinions and thoughts
As I said so often, feel
free to ignore anything
you are not interested
in.
while you don't care
about people's "thoughts"?
Nope. You clearly cannot
read. I don't care about
normative prescriptive
opinions drawn from
shared belief systems.
I am quite interested in
learning how people
listen to music and
understanding what
moves them. This
neither implies nor
required agreement.
If cannot figure all
this out by yourself
you should return to
your kindergarten
-- there is a potty
waiting for you
right there!
dk
Op 2022-12-16 om 12:06 schreef Dan Koren:
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:48:55 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:
Op 2022-12-16 om 06:18 schreef Dan Koren:
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:29:26 PM UTC-8, George wrote:
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:49:43 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
There is no shortage of excellent versions of
Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
however sounds truly special to my weary ears:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0
Richter/Wislocki?
Nope, Richter's approach
to the work was different.
As I said so many times
already, I am not looking
for answers to quizzes. I
am interested in hearing
how people listen and in
finding out what they like
and what they don't.
If you want to treat this
as a quiz, have at it, but
this is not my goal. You
didn't even say if you
liked it!
Did you like it? If so,
why? If not, why?
Thanks!
Why should people listen to
all quizzes you post and to
These are not "quizzes", as I
said often, and no one HAS
to listen to anything one is
not interested in hearing.
You clearly cannot read or
connect the words. This ng
is a free open forum. You,
Herman and Melmoth seem
to think it is a classroom
where everybody works
on the same assignment.
all Youtube videos behind
all the URLs you post? Why
should people give their
opinions and thoughts
As I said so often, feel
free to ignore anything
you are not interested
in.
while you don't care
about people's "thoughts"?
Nope. You clearly cannot
read. I don't care about
normative prescriptive
opinions drawn from
shared belief systems.
I am quite interested in
learning how people
listen to music and
understanding what
moves them. This
neither implies nor
required agreement.
Nonsense. You're only interested in scolding people.
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:49:43 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
There is no shortage of excellent versions of
Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
however sounds truly special to my weary ears:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0
Enjoy!
Op 2022-12-16 om 12:06 schreef Dan Koren:
I am quite interested in
learning how people
listen to music and
understanding what
moves them. This
neither implies nor
required agreement.
Nonsense. You're only interested in scolding people.
Op vrijdag 16 december 2022 om 05:29:26 UTC+1 schreef George:
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:49:43 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
There is no shortage of excellent versions of
Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
however sounds truly special to my weary ears:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0
Since question marks have been placed by the wokeness Santa Clause's Zwarte Piet and mystery pianists, I won't mention her name ... But it's a great live performance, often like no other.Enjoy!
Henk
Op vrijdag 16 december 2022 om 05:29:26 UTC+1 schreef George:
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:49:43 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
There is no shortage of excellent versions of
Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
however sounds truly special to my weary ears:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0
Since question marks have been placed by the
wokeness Santa Clause's Zwarte Piet and mystery
pianists,
I won't mention her name ... But it's a great
live performance, often like no other.
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 5:12:13 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Op vrijdag 16 december 2022 om 05:29:26 UTC+1 schreef George:
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:49:43 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
There is no shortage of excellent versions of
Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
however sounds truly special to my weary ears:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0
Not sure I understand the reference, but thanks
for chiming in anyway. I really appreciate it. As
I don't know Dutch, I have to ask who/what is
Zwarte Piet.
Thanks! Can you put your finger on what you
like in this performance in particular? From
my perspective, the second movement is
almost hypnotic in the way time is bended
and suspended. It is difficult for me to even
imagine how can one pull this off in a solo
performance, and much less so playing
with a full orchestra and another person
conducting.
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 5:12:13 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Op vrijdag 16 december 2022 om 05:29:26 UTC+1 schreef George:
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:49:43 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
There is no shortage of excellent versions of
Rachmaninov's 2nd Piano Concerto. This one
however sounds truly special to my weary ears:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzhzcfqv0ruzrgm/Rachmaninov%20Piano%20Concerto%20no.%202.m4a?dl=0
Since question marks have been placed by theNot sure I understand the reference, but thanks
wokeness Santa Clause's Zwarte Piet and mystery
pianists,
for chiming in anyway. I really appreciate it. As
I don't know Dutch, I have to ask who/what is
Zwarte Piet.
I won't mention her name ... But it's a greatThanks! Can you put your finger on what you
live performance, often like no other.
like in this performance in particular? From
my perspective, the second movement is
almost hypnotic in the way time is bended
and suspended. It is difficult for me to even
imagine how can one pull this off in a solo
performance, and much less so playing
with a full orchestra and another person
conducting.
Thanks!
Not one of my favorite pieces, but I just listened to the whole thing. The stretching-things-out manners are blindingly evident in the first few minutes, and while I had a few moments of feeling "this is perhaps going too far" I didn't from then on. Iliked the way the broadening returned in the third movement, where in context it was quite effective.
I am not of the belief that faster is necessarily better in this piece, and if I have not more more to say, it may be because I don't instantly warm to the choice of rich fluidity over musical variety that is the very nature of these pieces. But seemedlike a winning performance to me.
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:21:57 PM UTC-6, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
Not one of my favorite pieces, but I just listened to
the whole thing. The stretching-things-out manners
are blindingly evident in the first few minutes, and
while I had a few moments of feeling "this is perhaps
going too far" I didn't from then on. I liked the way the
broadening returned in the third movement, where in
context it was quite effective.
I am not of the belief that faster is necessarily better in
this piece, and if I have not more more to say, it may be
because I don't instantly warm to the choice of rich fluidity
over musical variety that is the very nature of these pieces.
But seemed like a winning performance to me.
By the way, returning to the thread, the middle
movement was also completely effective.
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 1:24:19 PM UTC-8, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:21:57 PM UTC-6, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
Not one of my favorite pieces, but I just listened to
the whole thing. The stretching-things-out manners
are blindingly evident in the first few minutes, and
while I had a few moments of feeling "this is perhaps
going too far" I didn't from then on. I liked the way the
broadening returned in the third movement, where in
context it was quite effective.
Neither do I.I am not of the belief that faster is necessarily better in
I find it quite addictive. It makes me feel as dizzythis piece, and if I have not more more to say, it may be
because I don't instantly warm to the choice of rich fluidity
over musical variety that is the very nature of these pieces.
But seemed like a winning performance to me.
as looking down from the top of the CN tower ;-)
The never ending tempo changes could make
sailors throw up! ;-)
By the way, returning to the thread, the middleThanks for listening and for thoughtful comments.
movement was also completely effective.
dk
I'm all for more discussions like this. Schaeffer
could be a dick, but it was always interesting
when he flagged a recording he thought was
interesting.
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 2:04:50 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
Who is/was Schaeffer?
MForever. Michael Schaeffer.
A former double-bass player in German orchestras
who moved to Southern Cal and worked as a tech..
His comments were often superb, but, unfortunately,
his temper was not always the greatest, exacerbated
by the fact that he was German and thus was often
called Nazi by Americans, and the fact that he was a
highly knowledgable former musician. All professional
music people have left this group pushed out by the
know-it-alls.
Who is/was Schaeffer?
Norrington overdoes it a little bit with his strictly no vibrato
"policy", both in his statements and in his performances. I think he
also tends to overdo the "rhetoric" phrasing and he applies the same
basic kind of highly declamatory and detailed phrasing to everything
he conducts.
HOWEVER - I have to say that most I what I have heard from what he did
with the RSO Stuttgart was exceptionally well prepared and played.
Obviously, very great care was taken with regard to phrasing,
articulation, balancing, clarity of textures and intonation. By which
I mean not just playing "in tune" which is a little more difficult
without vibrato, but also non-equalized thirds to bring out the
character of some chords better, e.g. at the end of the first movement
of Tchaikovsky 6, the brass chorale sounds amazing - I have never
heard it sound that good and so colorful. There is a lot of inner
detail which I have never before heard in such relief.
The whole performance is highly interesting. Somewhat odd, in the
complete lack of vibrato and the in some places overdone "baroqeuish" rhetoric phrasing, but from a technical and musical point of view
extremely well done and therefore an interesting "concept"
performance, an interesting "what if" experiment and therefore
definitely worth hearing.
Oh yes, and Norrington's placement of the violins separated left and
right brings out the interesting antiphonal writing in the 4th
movement. You can hear the main theme "sway" from left to right and
back. That effect is lost in all performances which put the violins
all on one side.
BTW, Norrington apparently did not use a smallish orchestra for his
Brahms symphonies. In fact, in some Youtube videos you can even see
that he used doubled woodwinds.
C'mon, Gerard. Be a little more generous. DK is very very
interested..... in his own thoughts.
I
used to think you were exaggerating his toxic qualities, but I stand corrected.
In article <3cfcad45-2e71-4ac2...@googlegroups.com>,
Herman <her...@yahoo.com> wrote:
C'mon, Gerard. Be a little more generous. DK is very veryNot reading his posts anymore, I have to say, even more of the
interested..... in his own thoughts.
obnoxiousness around here originates with DK than I'd realized. I
used to think you were exaggerating his toxic qualities, but I stand corrected.
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 2:04:50 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:professional music people have left this group pushed out by the know-it-alls.
Who is/was Schaeffer?
MForever. Michael Schaeffer.
A former double-bass player in German orchestras who moved to Southern Cal and worked as a tech..
His comments were often superb, but, unfortunately, his temper was not always the greatest, exacerbated by the fact that he was German and thus was often called Nazi by Americans, and the fact that he was a highly knowledgable former musician. All
Alas he died a couple of years ago.
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:46:48 PM UTC-6, Herman wrote:professional music people have left this group pushed out by the know-it-alls. >> Alas he died a couple of years ago.
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 2:04:50 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote: >>>
Who is/was Schaeffer?MForever. Michael Schaeffer.
A former double-bass player in German orchestras who moved to Southern Cal and worked as a tech..
His comments were often superb, but, unfortunately, his temper was not always the greatest, exacerbated by the fact that he was German and thus was often called Nazi by Americans, and the fact that he was a highly knowledgable former musician. All
This is a bit of a cleanup job on Schaeffer, who was just as big a dick as anyone else here ever was, and who could dish "know-it-all" as much as the rest of them. (I'm talking about an attitude, not actual credentials.) To be clear, I enjoyed hiscompany and benefitted from it when he wasn't angering people. Here's a thread where Don Tait notes how a comment by Schaeffer left him enraged for days. The idea that anyone who is still here pushed him out is nonsense. He made his own bed.
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.classical.recordings/c/gi8lpKH4rQI/m/UwPrk3FqFpAJpublic judgments of character.
It is unfortunately ironic that in a thread with no spoken hostility that I've seen people show up to comment on DK's "toxicity". He's the one who posted on-topic material. If you want civility, then recognize that there are appropriate times to post
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:46:48 PM UTC-6, Herman wrote:professional music people have left this group pushed out by the know-it-alls.
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 2:04:50 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
Who is/was Schaeffer?
MForever. Michael Schaeffer.
A former double-bass player in German orchestras who moved to Southern Cal and worked as a tech..
His comments were often superb, but, unfortunately, his temper was not always the greatest, exacerbated by the fact that he was German and thus was often called Nazi by Americans, and the fact that he was a highly knowledgable former musician. All
company and benefitted from it when he wasn't angering people. Here's a thread where Don Tait notes how a comment by Schaeffer left him enraged for days. The idea that anyone who is still here pushed him out is nonsense. He made his own bed.Alas he died a couple of years ago.This is a bit of a cleanup job on Schaeffer, who was just as big a dick as anyone else here ever was, and who could dish "know-it-all" as much as the rest of them. (I'm talking about an attitude, not actual credentials.) To be clear, I enjoyed his
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.classical.recordings/c/gi8lpKH4rQI/m/UwPrk3FqFpAJpublic judgments of character.
It is unfortunately ironic that in a thread with no spoken hostility that I've seen people show up to comment on DK's "toxicity". He's the one who posted on-topic material. If you want civility, then recognize that there are appropriate times to post
I don't have a simple story as to why there are fewer
people here than before,
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 6:51:03 PM UTC-8, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't have a simple story as to why there are fewerSome, if not all of the reasons should be pretty obvious.
people here than before,
On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:57:20 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 6:51:03 PM UTC-8, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
The reason is you're an evil hateful racist, spreading hatred.I don't have a simple story as to why there are fewerSome, if not all of the reasons should be pretty obvious.
people here than before,
Funny, people don't like that.
On 12/17/22 10:57 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 6:51:03 PM UTC-8, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't have a simple story as to why there are fewer
people here than before,
Some, if not all of the reasons should be pretty obvious.
When this ng became active > 3 decades ago, information
about music recordings was far less easily available than
it is today. Just following the main classical music review
magazines and catalogs -- e.g. Fanfare, the Gramophoney,
IRC, High Fidelity, Le Diapason d'Or, etc. took considerable
time and money many could not or would not afford.
Sampling new recordings was also not easy. Some of the
larger record stores in big cities provided a few listening
stations for customers to listen to recently release CDs
(or even LPs), requiring driving time and effort. R.m.c.r.
provided a forum for people to share information and
find out about recordings with much less effort and
with spending as much time as reading reviews or
browsing record stores.
Nowadays most recordings can be sampled on line,
downloaded at will, etc.. live performances can be
watched on Medici, YT, etc.. The practical need to
receive information and recommendations from
others is much diminished.
There are also natural causes: loss of interest,
boredom, deaths, and so on.
Pretty simple stories, don't you think?
Everything you mention is quite true, but was also
valid in 2019 - and just looking at threads from then
shows many names that are now missing.
I'm certainly not blaming you for all,
but does it help to encourage participation to be
called an idiot?
My suggestion is to just tone it down somewhat.
You recently made an analogy relating to use of
screen names - people at parties introduce themselves -
and at parties folks don't generally insult each others...
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 6:51:03 PM UTC-8, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't have a simple story as to why there are fewer
people here than before,
Some, if not all of the reasons should be pretty obvious.
When this ng became active > 3 decades ago, information
about music recordings was far less easily available than
it is today. Just following the main classical music review
magazines and catalogs -- e.g. Fanfare, the Gramophoney,
IRC, High Fidelity, Le Diapason d'Or, etc. took considerable
time and money many could not or would not afford.
Sampling new recordings was also not easy. Some of the
larger record stores in big cities provided a few listening
stations for customers to listen to recently release CDs
(or even LPs), requiring driving time and effort. R.m.c.r.
provided a forum for people to share information and
find out about recordings with much less effort and
with spending as much time as reading reviews or
browsing record stores.
Nowadays most recordings can be sampled on line,
downloaded at will, etc.. live performances can be
watched on Medici, YT, etc.. The practical need to
receive information and recommendations from
others is much diminished.
There are also natural causes: loss of interest,
boredom, deaths, and so on.
Pretty simple stories, don't you think?
dk
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 8:38:51 PM UTC-8, Notsure01 wrote:
On 12/17/22 10:57 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 6:51:03 PM UTC-8, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't have a simple story as to why there are fewer
people here than before,
Some, if not all of the reasons should be pretty obvious.
When this ng became active > 3 decades ago, information
about music recordings was far less easily available than
it is today. Just following the main classical music review
magazines and catalogs -- e.g. Fanfare, the Gramophoney,
IRC, High Fidelity, Le Diapason d'Or, etc. took considerable
time and money many could not or would not afford.
Sampling new recordings was also not easy. Some of the
larger record stores in big cities provided a few listening
stations for customers to listen to recently release CDs
(or even LPs), requiring driving time and effort. R.m.c.r.
provided a forum for people to share information and
find out about recordings with much less effort and
with spending as much time as reading reviews or
browsing record stores.
Nowadays most recordings can be sampled on line,
downloaded at will, etc.. live performances can be
watched on Medici, YT, etc.. The practical need to
receive information and recommendations from
others is much diminished.
There are also natural causes: loss of interest,
boredom, deaths, and so on.
Pretty simple stories, don't you think?
Everything you mention is quite true, but was alsoCOVID ?!?
valid in 2019 - and just looking at threads from then
shows many names that are now missing.
I'm certainly not blaming you for all,You obviously are, just from the way you phrase it.
but does it help to encourage participation to be1) Some people are actually idiots.
called an idiot?
2) I see no reason to "encourage" or "discourage" or
"xyzcourage" anyone to do or not not do anything in
particular. It is a free open group, anyone can come
and go, anyone can say anything they want, etc...
3) IMHO it is a really bad idea to proselytize r.m.c.r.
If you want to normalize behaviors and to
standardize language, we can have the
group moderated. One cannot have it
both ways.
My suggestion is to just tone it down somewhat.My suggestion is to take off your anonymous troll
mask and to tone down your lecturing and your
uncessant condescending pontification.
You recently made an analogy relating to use of
screen names - people at parties introduce themselves -
and at parties folks don't generally insult each others...
Precisely because they are not wearing masks. As
long as you act as an anonymous troll you do not
deserve any respect. Trolls are not decent people.
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 8:57:37 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 8:38:51 PM UTC-8, Notsure01 wrote:
On 12/17/22 10:57 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 6:51:03 PM UTC-8, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't have a simple story as to why there are fewer
people here than before,
Some, if not all of the reasons should be pretty obvious.
When this ng became active > 3 decades ago, information
about music recordings was far less easily available than
it is today. Just following the main classical music review
magazines and catalogs -- e.g. Fanfare, the Gramophoney,
IRC, High Fidelity, Le Diapason d'Or, etc. took considerable
time and money many could not or would not afford.
Sampling new recordings was also not easy. Some of the
larger record stores in big cities provided a few listening
stations for customers to listen to recently release CDs
(or even LPs), requiring driving time and effort. R.m.c.r.
provided a forum for people to share information and
find out about recordings with much less effort and
with spending as much time as reading reviews or
browsing record stores.
Nowadays most recordings can be sampled on line,
downloaded at will, etc.. live performances can be
watched on Medici, YT, etc.. The practical need to
receive information and recommendations from
others is much diminished.
There are also natural causes: loss of interest,
boredom, deaths, and so on.
Pretty simple stories, don't you think?
Everything you mention is quite true, but was alsoCOVID ?!?
valid in 2019 - and just looking at threads from then
shows many names that are now missing.
I'm certainly not blaming you for all,You obviously are, just from the way you phrase it.
but does it help to encourage participation to be1) Some people are actually idiots.
called an idiot?
2) I see no reason to "encourage" or "discourage" or
"xyzcourage" anyone to do or not not do anything in
particular. It is a free open group, anyone can come
and go, anyone can say anything they want, etc...
3) IMHO it is a really bad idea to proselytize r.m.c.r.
If you want to normalize behaviors and to
standardize language, we can have the
group moderated. One cannot have it
both ways.
My suggestion is to just tone it down somewhat.My suggestion is to take off your anonymous troll
mask and to tone down your lecturing and your
uncessant condescending pontification.
You recently made an analogy relating to use of
screen names - people at parties introduce themselves -
and at parties folks don't generally insult each others...
Precisely because they are not wearing masks. AsAnd yet, you constantly play the roll of a troll, Dan... and probably play with yourself as you do it... like I said before, different "strokes" for different folks...
long as you act as an anonymous troll you do not
deserve any respect. Trolls are not decent people.
Can I offer some advice for the sake of peace of mind?
If you have known that for a long period of time, someone has not changed for the better, then chances are greater that in this lifetime, they will not - so why prolong frustrations that bring about harsh feelings? Learn to just let it go.
The "loudest voices in the room" tend to dominate in newsgroups as
well as in real life.
On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:57:20 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 6:51:03 PM UTC-8, mswd...@gmail.com wrote: >>>
I don't have a simple story as to why there are fewerSome, if not all of the reasons should be pretty obvious.
people here than before,
The reason is you're an evil hateful racist, spreading hatred.
Funny, people don't like that.
I really applaud your post, Bob, being aware you two didn't hit it off, so to speak.
Whenever I see a double bassist with a pony tail in the back of the orchestra, I think of MS / MForever.
Funny, people don't like that.
You forgot the smiley, Herman :).
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 10:09:08 AM UTC-6, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:professional music people have left this group pushed out by the know-it-alls. >>> Alas he died a couple of years ago.
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:46:48 PM UTC-6, Herman wrote:
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 2:04:50 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
MForever. Michael Schaeffer.
Who is/was Schaeffer?
A former double-bass player in German orchestras who moved to Southern Cal and worked as a tech..
His comments were often superb, but, unfortunately, his temper was not always the greatest, exacerbated by the fact that he was German and thus was often called Nazi by Americans, and the fact that he was a highly knowledgable former musician. All
company and benefitted from it when he wasn't angering people. Here's a thread where Don Tait notes how a comment by Schaeffer left him enraged for days. The idea that anyone who is still here pushed him out is nonsense. He made his own bed.This is a bit of a cleanup job on Schaeffer, who was just as big a dick as anyone else here ever was, and who could dish "know-it-all" as much as the rest of them. (I'm talking about an attitude, not actual credentials.) To be clear, I enjoyed his
public judgments of character.https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.classical.recordings/c/gi8lpKH4rQI/m/UwPrk3FqFpAJ
It is unfortunately ironic that in a thread with no spoken hostility that I've seen people show up to comment on DK's "toxicity". He's the one who posted on-topic material. If you want civility, then recognize that there are appropriate times to post
I will add that it is perhaps distasteful that I am posting a public judgment of Michael now that he is no longer with us, but it isn't out of malice, just out of a wish to complicate the storyline of how certain (bad-ish) poeple made certain other (good-ish) people leave. I don't buy that. I don't have a simple story as to why there are fewer people here than before, and finding someone to blame would be part of a problem, not a solution. In conclusion, I'm sorry Michael won't have a chance to
Not one of my favorite pieces, but I just listened to the whole thing. The stretching-things-out manners are blindingly evident in the first few minutes, and while I had a few moments of feeling "this is perhaps going too far" I didn't from then on. Iliked the way the broadening returned in the third movement, where in context it was quite effective.
I am not of the belief that faster is necessarily better in this piece, and if I have not more more to say, it may be because I don't instantly warm to the choice of rich fluidity over musical variety that is the very nature of these pieces. But seemedlike a winning performance to me.
But it's certainly a different type of performance from what I am
used to, and worth hearing. (I have no skill in trying to identify
pianists.)
On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 2:17:35 PM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
But it's certainly a different type of performance from what I amIt might be this one...
used to, and worth hearing. (I have no skill in trying to identify pianists.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKrRRph2Tp8
I sensed a sort of malice from him that I do not sense in any of
DK's insults to other partiipants.
In article <alpine.LRH.2.00.2...@iris03.slac.stanford.edu>,
Al Eisner <eis...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
I sensed a sort of malice from him that I do not sense in any ofNarcissism isn't malice per se, but it's not so great.
DK's insults to other partiipants.
On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 5:34:12 AM UTC+1, Herman wrote:
This was not addressed to Todd, and I understand that the malice charge is mainly directed at a current, dominant contriibutor.
Well, I responded to the baffling complacency of:
"I sensed
a sort of malice from him [Schaffer] that I do not sense in any of DK's insults to
other participants. I won't dwell on this, and I might of course be
wrong (but I'm not).
No one here dances as emphatically
and expansively about architecture
as DK.
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