• DIABELLI...

    From MELMOTH@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 13 17:55:08 2022
    I listened for you, Friends of RMCR, some interpretations from my
    gigantic collection of discs of this absolute masterpiece that are the
    Diabelli of the Great Deaf...


    Is it *Richter* who puts on his big shoes here?... Yes, strangely
    enough, and the opening of his Diabelli is heavy and pompous... A
    severe observation...

    We do not know if the feeling of nervousness and of flying over the
    text is linked to the extreme speed of the tempo chosen by *Stephen Kovacevich*; the fact remains that these Diabelli seem noisily
    rushed...

    *Piotr Anderszewski* makes his point: so many highlighted details, exaggerations, egocentric affectations !... The Variations 21 to 23 are
    even in bad taste: these Diabelli are furiously lacking in Beethoven
    !...
    Force of the moment, accuracy of the trajectory: the variations are
    limpid, elegant under the fingers of *Laurent Cabasso* ; a Beethoven
    under control, that a zest of humor and some fluctuations of mood would
    prevent from any academism, risk of this scrupulous reading...

    Of course, the sound recording dates back 50 years... But what a
    miracle! *Rudolf Serkin* advances in the Diabellis, as if in wonder,
    revealing in each variation an impromptu, an etching, where tiny
    rhythmic oscillations have the fragility of a candle flame. One
    praises, in this master of rubato, the urgency, the joy, the
    naturalness, and, more simply, the sense of discourse that brings out
    the hollows and the unspoken... Authority and reverie; a human
    Beethoven, terribly human...

    *Maurizio Pollini* 's Diabellide Variations are immediately animated by
    a visionary spirit... They sing, dance, vibrate, each one more finely
    than the other, marvelously characterized, and the ensemble rises to unsuspected heights, with a finale like a call from heaven... The
    Italian pianist conceives the series as a great, powerfully unified
    whole, delivered with a single impetus and a single breath, interior, imperious, vital... One is struck by the art of the attacks, the
    density of the sound, the listening to the inner voices - that of the
    composer? - which distinguishes him from his colleagues... Diabelli
    freed from all earthly contingencies, and a definition of grace...

    But there is also, of course, Arrau...Brendel (3 times...The first
    [Vox] by far the best)...Yudina (1961 Scribendum) and many others...

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 13 09:40:59 2022
    you know what's going to happen....

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  • From MELMOTH@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 13 18:53:24 2022
    Herman a formulé ce mardi :
    you know what's going to happen....

    No...What ?!...

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to MELMOTH on Tue Dec 13 10:20:58 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 5:53:30 PM UTC, MELMOTH wrote:
    Herman a formulé ce mardi :
    you know what's going to happen....
    No...What ?!...


    This

    https://open.spotify.com/album/0w1RVxaySWYbaeuO0vCNgD

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 13 10:22:09 2022
    Op dinsdag 13 december 2022 om 17:55:13 UTC+1 schreef MELMOTH:
    I listened for you, Friends of RMCR, some interpretations from my
    gigantic collection of discs of this absolute masterpiece that are the Diabelli of the Great Deaf...

    Thanks!

    We do not know if the feeling of nervousness and of flying over the
    text is linked to the extreme speed of the tempo chosen by *Stephen Kovacevich*; the fact remains that these Diabelli seem noisily
    rushed...

    Agreed.

    *Piotr Anderszewski* makes his point: so many highlighted details, exaggerations, egocentric affectations !... The Variations 21 to 23 are
    even in bad taste: these Diabelli are furiously lacking in Beethoven
    !...

    Anderszewski is one of my favorite Diabelli performers, as is Anda.

    Force of the moment, accuracy of the trajectory: the variations are
    limpid, elegant under the fingers of *Laurent Cabasso* ; a Beethoven
    under control, that a zest of humor and some fluctuations of mood would prevent from any academism, risk of this scrupulous reading...

    Unknown. I have to give him a listen.

    Of course, the sound recording dates back 50 years... But what a
    miracle! *Rudolf Serkin* advances in the Diabellis, as if in wonder, revealing in each variation an impromptu, an etching, where tiny
    rhythmic oscillations have the fragility of a candle flame. One
    praises, in this master of rubato, the urgency, the joy, the
    naturalness, and, more simply, the sense of discourse that brings out
    the hollows and the unspoken... Authority and reverie; a human
    Beethoven, terribly human...

    One either likes Serkin, or ...

    *Maurizio Pollini* 's Diabellide Variations are immediately animated by
    a visionary spirit... They sing, dance, vibrate, each one more finely
    than the other, marvelously characterized, and the ensemble rises to unsuspected heights, with a finale like a call from heaven... The
    Italian pianist conceives the series as a great, powerfully unified
    whole, delivered with a single impetus and a single breath, interior, imperious, vital... One is struck by the art of the attacks, the
    density of the sound, the listening to the inner voices - that of the composer? - which distinguishes him from his colleagues... Diabelli
    freed from all earthly contingencies, and a definition of grace...

    This must have been young Pollini.

    But there is also, of course, Arrau...Brendel (3 times...The first
    [Vox] by far the best)...Yudina (1961 Scribendum) and many others...

    Arrau and Yudina lack a sense of humour. Brendel on Vox was great, whatever he performed. There are many good ones among the "many others": Katchen, Richter-Haaser ...

    Henk

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 13 13:03:58 2022
    Op dinsdag 13 december 2022 om 21:59:32 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:22:11 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

    There are many good ones among the
    "many others": Katchen, Richter-Haaser ...
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nXyWTaIzLvQ_DEwx6md6sNfDAHDq-BMnk

    Agreed. It's one of Ugorski's better recordings.

    Henk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to MELMOTH on Tue Dec 13 12:58:38 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:53:30 AM UTC-8, MELMOTH wrote:
    Herman a formulé ce mardi :
    you know what's going to happen....
    No...What ?!...

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nXyWTaIzLvQ_DEwx6md6sNfDAHDq-BMnk

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to hvt...@xs4all.nl on Tue Dec 13 12:59:29 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:22:11 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

    There are many good ones among the
    "many others": Katchen, Richter-Haaser ...

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nXyWTaIzLvQ_DEwx6md6sNfDAHDq-BMnk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to MELMOTH on Tue Dec 13 13:23:34 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:55:13 AM UTC-8, MELMOTH wrote:

    I listened for you, Friends of RMCR, some interpretations
    from my gigantic collection of discs of this absolute
    masterpiece that are the Diabelli of the Great Deaf...

    Why do you listen "for us"? Do you think the ears of
    the foiks in this ng are less capable than yours? Or
    do you think one needs to listen through several
    pairs of cans and speakers in order to hear all
    the voices?

    I ask the question .......

    dk

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  • From MELMOTH@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 13 23:44:14 2022
    Dan Koren avait prétendu :
    Why do you listen "for us"? Do you think the ears of
    the foiks in this ng are less capable than yours? Or
    do you think one needs to listen through several
    pairs of cans and speakers in order to hear all
    the voices?

    Oscar Wide said that humor was the politeness of despair...
    You are obviously not desperate, my poor koko...

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to MELMOTH on Tue Dec 13 19:06:11 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 2:44:20 PM UTC-8, MELMOTH wrote:
    Dan Koren avait prétendu :

    Why do you listen "for us"? Do you think the ears of
    the foiks in this ng are less capable than yours? Or
    do you think one needs to listen through several
    pairs of cans and speakers in order to hear all
    the voices?

    Oscar Wide said that humor
    was the politeness of despair...

    Smart guy. One of my favorite
    writers. Also one of my English
    teachers, alongside Fielding,
    Melville, Conrad, Shaw and
    Huxley.

    You are obviously not desperate,
    my poor koko...

    Why would I be? I couldn't care
    less if you run out of escargots,
    LPs or headphones.

    dk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 14 01:05:17 2022
    I just got out Andrei Vieru’s Diabelli Variations, seems OK.

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  • From M. A.@21:1/5 to MELMOTH on Wed Dec 14 02:04:24 2022
    MELMOTH schrieb am Dienstag, 13. Dezember 2022 um 17:55:13 UTC+1:
    I listened for you, Friends of RMCR, some interpretations from my
    gigantic collection of discs of this absolute masterpiece that are the Diabelli of the Great Deaf...


    Is it *Richter* who puts on his big shoes here?... Yes, strangely
    enough, and the opening of his Diabelli is heavy and pompous... A
    severe observation...

    We do not know if the feeling of nervousness and of flying over the
    text is linked to the extreme speed of the tempo chosen by *Stephen Kovacevich*; the fact remains that these Diabelli seem noisily
    rushed...

    *Piotr Anderszewski* makes his point: so many highlighted details, exaggerations, egocentric affectations !... The Variations 21 to 23 are
    even in bad taste: these Diabelli are furiously lacking in Beethoven
    !...
    Force of the moment, accuracy of the trajectory: the variations are
    limpid, elegant under the fingers of *Laurent Cabasso* ; a Beethoven
    under control, that a zest of humor and some fluctuations of mood would prevent from any academism, risk of this scrupulous reading...

    Of course, the sound recording dates back 50 years... But what a
    miracle! *Rudolf Serkin* advances in the Diabellis, as if in wonder, revealing in each variation an impromptu, an etching, where tiny
    rhythmic oscillations have the fragility of a candle flame. One
    praises, in this master of rubato, the urgency, the joy, the
    naturalness, and, more simply, the sense of discourse that brings out
    the hollows and the unspoken... Authority and reverie; a human
    Beethoven, terribly human...

    *Maurizio Pollini* 's Diabellide Variations are immediately animated by
    a visionary spirit... They sing, dance, vibrate, each one more finely
    than the other, marvelously characterized, and the ensemble rises to unsuspected heights, with a finale like a call from heaven... The
    Italian pianist conceives the series as a great, powerfully unified
    whole, delivered with a single impetus and a single breath, interior, imperious, vital... One is struck by the art of the attacks, the
    density of the sound, the listening to the inner voices - that of the composer? - which distinguishes him from his colleagues... Diabelli
    freed from all earthly contingencies, and a definition of grace...

    But there is also, of course, Arrau...Brendel (3 times...The first
    [Vox] by far the best)...Yudina (1961 Scribendum) and many others...

    You are weird, Melmoth.

    You say you listened to these recordings, and yet, what you pass of as your own conclusions from that exercise is actually the summary of last Sunday's French radio broadcast "La Tribune des Critiques de Disques" where the Diabelli Variations were on the
    program.

    For those who don't listen to French radio France Musique: At "La Tribune" every Sunday between 4pm and 6pm three critics blind listen to, and judge, six interpretations of a given work. The moderator Jérémie Rousseau posts a summary of the episode on
    the website the next Monday. It is this summary of last Sunday's Diabelli Variations episode (https://www.radiofrance.fr/francemusique/podcasts/la-tribune-des-critiques-de-disques/variations-diabelli-de-beethoven-9511939) what Melmoth posted here.

    M.A.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to m...@altschwager.de on Wed Dec 14 03:42:08 2022
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 2:04:27 AM UTC-8, m...@altschwager.de wrote:

    You are weird, Melmoth.

    You say you listened to these recordings, and yet, what you pass of
    as your own conclusions from that exercise is actually the summary
    of last Sunday's French radio broadcast "La Tribune des Critiques de
    Disques" where the Diabelli Variations were on the program.

    Not "weird", just cheating. Why do you
    think he doesn't post under his real name?

    This is oh so French, starting with Georges
    Sand, though she had more understandable
    reasons for not revealing her identity.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Wed Dec 14 03:43:26 2022
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 3:42:11 AM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 2:04:27 AM UTC-8, m...@altschwager.de wrote:

    You are weird, Melmoth.

    You say you listened to these recordings, and yet, what you pass of
    as your own conclusions from that exercise is actually the summary
    of last Sunday's French radio broadcast "La Tribune des Critiques de Disques" where the Diabelli Variations were on the program.

    Not "weird", just cheating. Why do you
    think he doesn't post under his real name?

    This is oh so French, starting with Georges
    Sand, though she had more understandable
    reasons for not revealing her identity.

    It is also clearer now why he says he
    "listens for us".

    dk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to m...@altschwager.de on Wed Dec 14 03:28:17 2022
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 10:04:27 AM UTC, m...@altschwager.de wrote:
    MELMOTH schrieb am Dienstag, 13. Dezember 2022 um 17:55:13 UTC+1:
    I listened for you, Friends of RMCR, some interpretations from my
    gigantic collection of discs of this absolute masterpiece that are the Diabelli of the Great Deaf...


    Is it *Richter* who puts on his big shoes here?... Yes, strangely
    enough, and the opening of his Diabelli is heavy and pompous... A
    severe observation...

    We do not know if the feeling of nervousness and of flying over the
    text is linked to the extreme speed of the tempo chosen by *Stephen Kovacevich*; the fact remains that these Diabelli seem noisily
    rushed...

    *Piotr Anderszewski* makes his point: so many highlighted details, exaggerations, egocentric affectations !... The Variations 21 to 23 are even in bad taste: these Diabelli are furiously lacking in Beethoven
    !...
    Force of the moment, accuracy of the trajectory: the variations are limpid, elegant under the fingers of *Laurent Cabasso* ; a Beethoven
    under control, that a zest of humor and some fluctuations of mood would prevent from any academism, risk of this scrupulous reading...

    Of course, the sound recording dates back 50 years... But what a
    miracle! *Rudolf Serkin* advances in the Diabellis, as if in wonder, revealing in each variation an impromptu, an etching, where tiny
    rhythmic oscillations have the fragility of a candle flame. One
    praises, in this master of rubato, the urgency, the joy, the
    naturalness, and, more simply, the sense of discourse that brings out
    the hollows and the unspoken... Authority and reverie; a human
    Beethoven, terribly human...

    *Maurizio Pollini* 's Diabellide Variations are immediately animated by
    a visionary spirit... They sing, dance, vibrate, each one more finely
    than the other, marvelously characterized, and the ensemble rises to unsuspected heights, with a finale like a call from heaven... The
    Italian pianist conceives the series as a great, powerfully unified
    whole, delivered with a single impetus and a single breath, interior, imperious, vital... One is struck by the art of the attacks, the
    density of the sound, the listening to the inner voices - that of the composer? - which distinguishes him from his colleagues... Diabelli
    freed from all earthly contingencies, and a definition of grace...

    But there is also, of course, Arrau...Brendel (3 times...The first
    [Vox] by far the best)...Yudina (1961 Scribendum) and many others...
    You are weird, Melmoth.

    You say you listened to these recordings, and yet, what you pass of as your own conclusions from that exercise is actually the summary of last Sunday's French radio broadcast "La Tribune des Critiques de Disques" where the Diabelli Variations were on
    the program.

    For those who don't listen to French radio France Musique: At "La Tribune" every Sunday between 4pm and 6pm three critics blind listen to, and judge, six interpretations of a given work. The moderator Jérémie Rousseau posts a summary of the episode
    on the website the next Monday. It is this summary of last Sunday's Diabelli Variations episode (https://www.radiofrance.fr/francemusique/podcasts/la-tribune-des-critiques-de-disques/variations-diabelli-de-beethoven-9511939) what Melmoth posted here.

    M.A.

    Thanks, I'll listen to it later. Did they talk about Uchida?

    Of their palmarès, I like very much Kovacevich on Onyx, and Pollini -- though I prefer his live recording. I enjoyed Andersiewski in concert about four years ago, I can't remember the recording.

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  • From Trump@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 14 13:13:52 2022
    M. A. a écrit :
    You are weird, Melmoth.

    You say you listened to these recordings, and yet, what you pass of as your own conclusions from that exercise is actually the summary of last Sunday's French radio broadcast "La Tribune des Critiques de Disques" where the Diabelli Variations were on the program.

    Yes...This show is the oldest radio show of the French radio !...
    I will always remember the first time I listened to it !...I was
    preparing the oral exam for the veterinary school entrance exam, and
    the piece compared was Prokofiev's Romeo & Juliet...Ancerl won it with
    flying colors !...The following Sunday, it was Liszt's Sonata... "Won" by...Yvonne Loriod !...Happy memories of the summer 1964 !...

    NB: I was obviously brilliantly accepted at the contest, and flew
    immediately afterwards to Sweden to join my girlfriend, whom I met the
    year before in Torremolinos (Spain)!...

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Trump on Wed Dec 14 05:36:40 2022
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 4:14:01 AM UTC-8, Trump wrote:
    M. A. a écrit :
    You are weird, Melmoth.

    You say you listened to these recordings, and yet, what you pass of as your
    own conclusions from that exercise is actually the summary of last Sunday's
    French radio broadcast "La Tribune des Critiques de Disques" where the Diabelli Variations were on the program.
    Yes...This show is the oldest radio show of the French radio !...
    I will always remember the first time I listened to it !...I was
    preparing the oral exam for the veterinary school entrance exam, and
    the piece compared was Prokofiev's Romeo & Juliet...Ancerl won it with flying colors !...The following Sunday, it was Liszt's Sonata... "Won" by...Yvonne Loriod !...Happy memories of the summer 1964 !...

    NB: I was obviously brilliantly accepted at the contest, and flew immediately afterwards to Sweden to join my girlfriend, whom I
    met the year before in Torremolinos (Spain)!...

    And you waited until 2015 to run for POTUS ?!?

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to MELMOTH on Thu Dec 15 03:36:02 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:55:13 AM UTC-8, MELMOTH wrote:
    I listened for you, Friends of RMCR, some interpretations from my
    gigantic collection of discs of this absolute masterpiece that are the Diabelli of the Great Deaf...

    Is it *Richter* who puts on his big shoes here?... Yes, strangely
    enough, and the opening of his Diabelli is heavy and pompous... A
    severe observation...

    We do not know if the feeling of nervousness and of flying over the
    text is linked to the extreme speed of the tempo chosen by *Stephen Kovacevich*; the fact remains that these Diabelli seem noisily
    rushed...

    *Piotr Anderszewski* makes his point: so many highlighted details, exaggerations, egocentric affectations !... The Variations 21 to 23 are
    even in bad taste: these Diabelli are furiously lacking in Beethoven
    !...
    Force of the moment, accuracy of the trajectory: the variations are
    limpid, elegant under the fingers of *Laurent Cabasso* ; a Beethoven
    under control, that a zest of humor and some fluctuations of mood would prevent from any academism, risk of this scrupulous reading...

    Of course, the sound recording dates back 50 years... But what a
    miracle! *Rudolf Serkin* advances in the Diabellis, as if in wonder, revealing in each variation an impromptu, an etching, where tiny
    rhythmic oscillations have the fragility of a candle flame. One
    praises, in this master of rubato, the urgency, the joy, the
    naturalness, and, more simply, the sense of discourse that brings out
    the hollows and the unspoken... Authority and reverie; a human
    Beethoven, terribly human...

    *Maurizio Pollini* 's Diabellide Variations are immediately animated by
    a visionary spirit... They sing, dance, vibrate, each one more finely
    than the other, marvelously characterized, and the ensemble rises to unsuspected heights, with a finale like a call from heaven... The
    Italian pianist conceives the series as a great, powerfully unified
    whole, delivered with a single impetus and a single breath, interior, imperious, vital... One is struck by the art of the attacks, the
    density of the sound, the listening to the inner voices - that of the composer? - which distinguishes him from his colleagues... Diabelli
    freed from all earthly contingencies, and a definition of grace...

    But there is also, of course, Arrau...Brendel (3 times...The first
    [Vox] by far the best)...Yudina (1961 Scribendum) and many others...

    Since you listened "for us", why not upload the recordings you
    heard on our behalf so everyone can share your experiences,
    instead of having to read your turgid prose?

    dk

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