• Recording(s) that you LOVE that others HATE

    From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 10 18:07:49 2022
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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 12 03:45:21 2022
    Much easier to list recordings I hate that others love......

    Pachelbel's Canon
    Bruckner
    Most Mahler especially conducted by Bernstein
    A lot of other works conducted by Bernstein
    Quite a lot of Mozart, excluding later works
    Old S...L...O...W... recordings of Bach
    All Krystian Zimerman I can think of
    Pompous high energy recordings of Sibelius, including several highly rated ones Alban Berg Quartet in just about anything
    Boring Renaissance music
    English cathedral choirs with their bland plummy emotionless vocalisations
    12 tone music
    Bagpipes...
    I could go on......

    It's not that others hate middle and late period Stravinsky, but I prefer later to the early ballets.

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Mon Dec 12 03:32:01 2022
    On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:07:51 PM UTC+11, gggg gggg wrote:
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    Mussorgsky/Ravel. Pictures at an Exhibition. Les Siecles, F-X Roth.

    Guess who doesn't like it?

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 12 06:00:06 2022
    Op zondag 11 december 2022 om 03:07:51 UTC+1 schreef gggg gggg:
    ?????????????????

    Milhaud. Piano concertos and Saudades do Brasil.
    Kabalevsky. Piano concertos and music for piano solo.
    Godowsky. Music for piano solo.
    Etc. etc.

    I hate so much that others love (everything before Bach, almost everything after 1950, all operas, all ballet music, ...) that I wouldn't know where to begin.

    Henk

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to hvt...@xs4all.nl on Mon Dec 12 08:28:14 2022
    On Monday, 12 December 2022 at 14:01:27 UTC, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

    Milhaud. Piano concertos and Saudades do Brasil.
    Henk

    Whoa there! Saudades do Brasil is marvellous and I've always liked it. Lots of other nice Milhaud, Poulenc and the other Frenchies.

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 12 08:30:57 2022
    Op maandag 12 december 2022 om 17:28:17 UTC+1 schreef Andy Evans:
    On Monday, 12 December 2022 at 14:01:27 UTC, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

    Milhaud. Piano concertos and Saudades do Brasil.
    Henk

    Whoa there! Saudades do Brasil is marvellous and I've always liked it. Lots of other nice Milhaud, Poulenc and the other Frenchies.

    Good to hear! The Saudades deserve far more attention than they get.

    Henk

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  • From Owen Hartnett@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 13 00:20:29 2022
    Even Bernstein liked the Saudades and played it in his Harvard Lectures.

    -Owen

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  • From sci.space@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Tue Dec 13 05:24:18 2022
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 6:45:24 AM UTC-5, Andy Evans wrote:
    Much easier to list recordings I hate that others love......

    Pachelbel's Canon

    I used to agree with hating the Pachelbel until I hear the Savall version on his CD Ostinato. It removes all the dirge-like qualities usually heard and is fun. I guess most performers ignore that the second movement is a gigue.

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  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to sci.space on Tue Dec 13 06:49:24 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:24:21 AM UTC-5, sci.space wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 6:45:24 AM UTC-5, Andy Evans wrote:
    Much easier to list recordings I hate that others love......

    Pachelbel's Canon
    I used to agree with hating the Pachelbel until I hear the Savall version on his CD Ostinato. It removes all the dirge-like qualities usually heard and is fun. I guess most performers ignore that the second movement is a gigue.

    I gained respect for Pachelbel after hearing this recording of Hexachordum Appolinis (6 sets of variations).

    https://youtu.be/FtMy6HixvNA

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 13 07:17:18 2022
    Op dinsdag 13 december 2022 om 06:20:36 UTC+1 schreef Owen Hartnett:
    Even Bernstein liked the Saudades and played it in his Harvard Lectures.

    -Owen

    Thanks! He also recorded an orchestrated version, so it seems.

    Henk

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  • From Pluted Pup@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Tue Dec 13 12:41:47 2022
    On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:07:49 -0800, gggg gggg wrote:

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    Leonard Pennario - Midnight on the Cliffs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iukN-FFmuHc

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  • From Notsure01@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Wed Dec 14 05:13:14 2022
    On 12/12/22 11:28 AM, Andy Evans wrote:
    On Monday, 12 December 2022 at 14:01:27 UTC, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:

    Milhaud. Piano concertos and Saudades do Brasil.
    Henk

    Whoa there! Saudades do Brasil is marvellous and I've always liked it. Lots of other nice Milhaud, Poulenc and the other Frenchies.

    I agree! I know it is not fashionable but I've always really enjoyed
    20th Century French ballet music - Satie Parade, Poulenc Les Biches, and Milhaud Le Boeuf sur le Toit. (And there's an extremely detailed
    analysis of the melodies purloined for Le Boeuf here: http://daniellathompson.com/Texts/Le_Boeuf/boeuf_chronicles.htm )

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 20 13:48:14 2023
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 6:07:51 PM UTC-8, wrote:
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    Concerning Rite of S., am I the only one who likes Monteux's PCO Living Stereo recording?

    And am I only one who likes WELL-TEMPERED SYNTHESIZER more than SWITCHED ON BACH?

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Mon Feb 20 16:32:38 2023
    On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:07:51 PM UTC+11, gggg gggg wrote:
    ?????????????????

    Anything conducted by Sir Simon Rattle ...

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From Al Eisner@21:1/5 to Andrew Clarke on Tue Feb 21 16:45:02 2023
    On Mon, 20 Feb 2023, Andrew Clarke wrote:

    On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:07:51 PM UTC+11, gggg gggg wrote:
    ?????????????????

    Anything conducted by Sir Simon Rattle ...

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

    Is that an opinion you would have formed sans Hurwitz? No reflection
    on the opinion itself....

    Anyway, you probably know that Rattle is soon coming to a city near you.
    --
    Al Eisner

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to Al Eisner on Tue Feb 21 21:23:33 2023
    On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 11:45:10 AM UTC+11, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Feb 2023, Andrew Clarke wrote:

    On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:07:51 PM UTC+11, gggg gggg wrote:
    ?????????????????

    Anything conducted by Sir Simon Rattle ...

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    Is that an opinion you would have formed sans Hurwitz? No reflection
    on the opinion itself....

    Anyway, you probably know that Rattle is soon coming to a city near you.
    --
    Al Eisner

    Put it thyis wat, Al, I don't read too many positive appreciation of Sir Simon's efforts in this group either. Damning with faint praise is the best I can expect. As for the Tum with the Tam, I no longer take seriously anything he has to say about
    British music-making in any shape or form, at least nobody since the death of Sir Adrian Boult. On the other hand, I was surprised to hear Mr Dallas acknowledging, in his review of the Beethoven Triple Concerto, the virtues of HIP orchestral sound - he
    just doesn't seem to recognise these virtues in any actual HIP orchestra ...
    As for Sir Simon, I don't believe in the league table approach to conductors, so I feel free to enjoy (or otherwise) Sir Simon's efforts, and I generally do enjoy what I've heard and, via the VCH, seen as well.
    I honestly didn't know that Sir Simon and the LSO were coming to Australia: it hasn't been publicised in the one Australian newspaper I read these days. By Australia is meant the three big cities, Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne, so the good citizens of
    Hobart, Adelaide and Perth, not to mention the national capital, will miss out. The city near me is of course Sydney, which will involve a journey of 300km each way, plus an overnight stay in a hotel, which will not be cheap. It's much easier to watch
    him with the Berlin Phil.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    the waste of a good sheep-run.

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  • From James Goodzeit@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Wed Feb 22 06:36:38 2023
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:49:27 AM UTC-5, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:24:21 AM UTC-5, sci.space wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 6:45:24 AM UTC-5, Andy Evans wrote:
    Much easier to list recordings I hate that others love......

    Pachelbel's Canon
    I used to agree with hating the Pachelbel until I hear the Savall version on his CD Ostinato. It removes all the dirge-like qualities usually heard and is fun. I guess most performers ignore that the second movement is a gigue.
    I gained respect for Pachelbel after hearing this recording of Hexachordum Appolinis (6 sets of variations).

    https://youtu.be/FtMy6HixvNA

    In chorus we sang his motet "Jauchzet dem Herrn" which was really good. His chorale preludes and chaconnes for organ are good too.

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  • From Al Eisner@21:1/5 to Andrew Clarke on Wed Feb 22 15:15:45 2023
    On Tue, 21 Feb 2023, Andrew Clarke wrote:

    On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 11:45:10 AM UTC+11, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Feb 2023, Andrew Clarke wrote:

    On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:07:51 PM UTC+11, gggg gggg wrote:
    ?????????????????

    Anything conducted by Sir Simon Rattle ...

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    Is that an opinion you would have formed sans Hurwitz? No reflection
    on the opinion itself....

    Anyway, you probably know that Rattle is soon coming to a city near you.
    --
    Al Eisner

    Put it thyis wat, Al, I don't read too many positive appreciation of Sir Simon's efforts in this group either. Damning with faint praise is the best I can expect. As for the Tum with the Tam, I no longer take seriously anything he has to say about
    British music-making in any shape or form, at least nobody since the death of Sir Adrian Boult. On the other hand, I was surprised to hear Mr Dallas acknowledging, in his review of the Beethoven Triple Concerto, the virtues of HIP orchestral sound - he
    just doesn't seem to recognise these virtues in any actual HIP orchestra ...
    As for Sir Simon, I don't believe in the league table approach to conductors, so I feel free to enjoy (or otherwise) Sir Simon's efforts, and I generally do enjoy what I've heard and, via the VCH, seen as well.
    I honestly didn't know that Sir Simon and the LSO were coming to Australia: it hasn't been publicised in the one Australian newspaper I read these days. By Australia is meant the three big cities, Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne, so the good citizens of
    Hobart, Adelaide and Perth, not to mention the national capital, will miss out. The city near me is of course Sydney, which will involve a journey of 300km each way, plus an overnight stay in a hotel, which will not be cheap. It's much easier to watch
    him with the Berlin Phil.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    the waste of a good sheep-run.

    I have to admit that "near" was somewhat facetious.

    DH, by the way, recently gave very high praise to a John Wilson CD of
    English string music (including the RVW Tallis Fantasia), while admitting
    he had been rather negative about Wilson's ealier work.
    --
    Al Eisner

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to Al Eisner on Wed Feb 22 20:13:00 2023
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:15:53 AM UTC+11, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Feb 2023, Andrew Clarke wrote:

    On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 11:45:10 AM UTC+11, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Feb 2023, Andrew Clarke wrote:

    On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:07:51 PM UTC+11, gggg gggg wrote:
    ?????????????????

    Anything conducted by Sir Simon Rattle ...

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    Is that an opinion you would have formed sans Hurwitz? No reflection
    on the opinion itself....

    Anyway, you probably know that Rattle is soon coming to a city near you. >> --
    Al Eisner

    Put it thyis wat, Al, I don't read too many positive appreciation of Sir Simon's efforts in this group either. Damning with faint praise is the best I can expect. As for the Tum with the Tam, I no longer take seriously anything he has to say about
    British music-making in any shape or form, at least nobody since the death of Sir Adrian Boult. On the other hand, I was surprised to hear Mr Dallas acknowledging, in his review of the Beethoven Triple Concerto, the virtues of HIP orchestral sound - he
    just doesn't seem to recognise these virtues in any actual HIP orchestra ...
    As for Sir Simon, I don't believe in the league table approach to conductors, so I feel free to enjoy (or otherwise) Sir Simon's efforts, and I generally do enjoy what I've heard and, via the VCH, seen as well.
    I honestly didn't know that Sir Simon and the LSO were coming to Australia: it hasn't been publicised in the one Australian newspaper I read these days. By Australia is meant the three big cities, Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne, so the good citizens
    of Hobart, Adelaide and Perth, not to mention the national capital, will miss out. The city near me is of course Sydney, which will involve a journey of 300km each way, plus an overnight stay in a hotel, which will not be cheap. It's much easier to watch
    him with the Berlin Phil.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    the waste of a good sheep-run.
    I have to admit that "near" was somewhat facetious.

    DH, by the way, recently gave very high praise to a John Wilson CD of English string music (including the RVW Tallis Fantasia), while admitting
    he had been rather negative about Wilson's ealier work.
    --
    Al Eisner

    Don't be too hard on yourseld, Al - 300 km on good roads is not regarded as any great distance in Australia. I've known Canberrans on very moderate incomes buy tickets for a stadium concert in Sydney, pile into their cars and stay overnight in a suburban
    motel. If it's a special show, the same people will drive to Melbourne and back, about 660 km each way. And yes, a few Canberrans subscribe to the Australian Opera.

    I've given up driving on medical grounds, so we no longer drive interstate, but flying is still possible if you pick the cheaper flights: it's reputed that the planes actually cruise for thirty minutes after takeoff/before landing. The slowest bit is
    getting through security at the airport. There's an hourly road coach service to Sydney and back, but I'm told they pack 'em in like sardines. So we take the train, which takes much longer but is much more comfortable., and the scenery's more interesting
    too. It's quite pleasant listening to "King Arthur" on headphones with the Southern tablelands rolling past.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Andrew Clarke on Thu Feb 23 00:55:39 2023
    On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 8:13:03 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:15:53 AM UTC+11, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Feb 2023, Andrew Clarke wrote:

    On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 11:45:10 AM UTC+11, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Feb 2023, Andrew Clarke wrote:

    On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:07:51 PM UTC+11, gggg gggg wrote: >>>> ?????????????????

    Anything conducted by Sir Simon Rattle ...

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    Is that an opinion you would have formed sans Hurwitz? No reflection
    on the opinion itself....

    Anyway, you probably know that Rattle is soon coming to a city near you.
    --
    Al Eisner

    Put it thyis wat, Al, I don't read too many positive appreciation of Sir Simon's efforts in this group either. Damning with faint praise is the best I can expect. As for the Tum with the Tam, I no longer take seriously anything he has to say about
    British music-making in any shape or form, at least nobody since the death of Sir Adrian Boult. On the other hand, I was surprised to hear Mr Dallas acknowledging, in his review of the Beethoven Triple Concerto, the virtues of HIP orchestral sound - he
    just doesn't seem to recognise these virtues in any actual HIP orchestra ...
    As for Sir Simon, I don't believe in the league table approach to conductors, so I feel free to enjoy (or otherwise) Sir Simon's efforts, and I generally do enjoy what I've heard and, via the VCH, seen as well.
    I honestly didn't know that Sir Simon and the LSO were coming to Australia: it hasn't been publicised in the one Australian newspaper I read these days. By Australia is meant the three big cities, Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne, so the good
    citizens of Hobart, Adelaide and Perth, not to mention the national capital, will miss out. The city near me is of course Sydney, which will involve a journey of 300km each way, plus an overnight stay in a hotel, which will not be cheap. It's much easier
    to watch him with the Berlin Phil.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    the waste of a good sheep-run.
    I have to admit that "near" was somewhat facetious.

    DH, by the way, recently gave very high praise to a John Wilson CD of English string music (including the RVW Tallis Fantasia), while admitting he had been rather negative about Wilson's ealier work.
    --
    Al Eisner
    Don't be too hard on yourseld, Al - 300 km on good roads is not regarded as any great distance in Australia. I've known Canberrans on very moderate incomes buy tickets for a stadium concert in Sydney, pile into their cars and stay overnight in a
    suburban motel. If it's a special show, the same people will drive to Melbourne and back, about 660 km each way. And yes, a few Canberrans subscribe to the Australian Opera.

    I've given up driving on medical grounds, so we no longer drive interstate, but flying is still possible if you pick the cheaper flights: it's reputed that the planes actually cruise for thirty minutes after takeoff/before landing. The slowest bit is
    getting through security at the airport...

    Is security at airport anything like THIS?

    (Y. upload):

    "Holeproof Underdaks Underwear (Airport Metal Detector) - 1994 Australian TV Commercial"

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to Andrew Clarke on Thu Feb 23 00:48:45 2023
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 3:13:03 PM UTC+11, Andrew Clarke wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:15:53 AM UTC+11, Al Eisner wrote:

    DH, by the way, recently gave very high praise to a John Wilson CD of English string music (including the RVW Tallis Fantasia), while admitting he had been rather negative about Wilson's ealier work.
    --

    I dis listen to part of this review, which began with some rather DWFP remarks about the Brits being able to write some very good music for strings.

    I keep going back to the Tum's comment that The Gramophone contains "rave review after rave review" of Sir Simon Rattle's recordings, which I suspect is not true, although as I have never subscribed to that magazine, I cannot disprove it. It does remind
    me of Goebbel's (?) dictum that if you keep on repeating the same untruth long enough, people will believe it.

    I have just watched Big D's survey of recordings of Beethoven's symphonies 1 and 2, in which he justified his non-inclusion of recordings by HIP orchestras by arguing that as modern instrument ensembles have learnt all they need to learn about tempi and
    orchestral colour from the HIP people, but do it much better, because they have better musicians and better instruments. The echoes of straws being clutched is still ringing (very faintly) in my ears ...

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Andrew Clarke on Thu Feb 23 00:58:13 2023
    On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 8:13:03 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:15:53 AM UTC+11, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Feb 2023, Andrew Clarke wrote:

    On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 11:45:10 AM UTC+11, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Feb 2023, Andrew Clarke wrote:

    On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:07:51 PM UTC+11, wrote:
    ?????????????????

    Anything conducted by Sir Simon Rattle ...

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    Is that an opinion you would have formed sans Hurwitz? No reflection
    on the opinion itself....

    Anyway, you probably know that Rattle is soon coming to a city near you.
    --
    Al Eisner

    Put it thyis wat, Al, I don't read too many positive appreciation of Sir Simon's efforts in this group either. Damning with faint praise is the best I can expect. As for the Tum with the Tam, I no longer take seriously anything he has to say about
    British music-making in any shape or form, at least nobody since the death of Sir Adrian Boult. On the other hand, I was surprised to hear Mr Dallas acknowledging, in his review of the Beethoven Triple Concerto, the virtues of HIP orchestral sound - he
    just doesn't seem to recognise these virtues in any actual HIP orchestra ...
    As for Sir Simon, I don't believe in the league table approach to conductors, so I feel free to enjoy (or otherwise) Sir Simon's efforts, and I generally do enjoy what I've heard and, via the VCH, seen as well.
    I honestly didn't know that Sir Simon and the LSO were coming to Australia: it hasn't been publicised in the one Australian newspaper I read these days. By Australia is meant the three big cities, Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne, so the good
    citizens of Hobart, Adelaide and Perth, not to mention the national capital, will miss out. The city near me is of course Sydney, which will involve a journey of 300km each way, plus an overnight stay in a hotel, which will not be cheap. It's much easier
    to watch him with the Berlin Phil.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    the waste of a good sheep-run.
    I have to admit that "near" was somewhat facetious.

    DH, by the way, recently gave very high praise to a John Wilson CD of English string music (including the RVW Tallis Fantasia), while admitting he had been rather negative about Wilson's ealier work.
    --
    Al Eisner
    Don't be too hard on yourseld, Al - 300 km on good roads is not regarded as any great distance in Australia. I've known Canberrans on very moderate incomes buy tickets for a stadium concert in Sydney, pile into their cars and stay overnight in a
    suburban motel. If it's a special show, the same people will drive to Melbourne and back, about 660 km each way. And yes, a few Canberrans subscribe to the Australian Opera.

    I've given up driving on medical grounds, so we no longer drive interstate, but flying is still possible if you pick the cheaper flights: it's reputed that the planes actually cruise for thirty minutes after takeoff/before landing. The slowest bit is
    getting through security at the airport...

    I'm very sensitive to drafts.

    Is security at the airport anything like THIS?

    (Y. upload):

    "Holeproof Underdaks Underwear (Airport Metal Detector) - 1994 Australian TV Commercial"

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Andrew Clarke on Thu Feb 23 01:30:27 2023
    On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 8:13:03 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:15:53 AM UTC+11, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Feb 2023, Andrew Clarke wrote:

    On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 11:45:10 AM UTC+11, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Feb 2023, Andrew Clarke wrote:

    On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:07:51 PM UTC+11, gggg gggg wrote: >>>> ?????????????????

    Anything conducted by Sir Simon Rattle ...

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    Is that an opinion you would have formed sans Hurwitz? No reflection
    on the opinion itself....

    Anyway, you probably know that Rattle is soon coming to a city near you.
    --
    Al Eisner

    Put it thyis wat, Al, I don't read too many positive appreciation of Sir Simon's efforts in this group either. Damning with faint praise is the best I can expect. As for the Tum with the Tam, I no longer take seriously anything he has to say about
    British music-making in any shape or form, at least nobody since the death of Sir Adrian Boult. On the other hand, I was surprised to hear Mr Dallas acknowledging, in his review of the Beethoven Triple Concerto, the virtues of HIP orchestral sound - he
    just doesn't seem to recognise these virtues in any actual HIP orchestra ...
    As for Sir Simon, I don't believe in the league table approach to conductors, so I feel free to enjoy (or otherwise) Sir Simon's efforts, and I generally do enjoy what I've heard and, via the VCH, seen as well.
    I honestly didn't know that Sir Simon and the LSO were coming to Australia: it hasn't been publicised in the one Australian newspaper I read these days. By Australia is meant the three big cities, Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne, so the good
    citizens of Hobart, Adelaide and Perth, not to mention the national capital, will miss out. The city near me is of course Sydney, which will involve a journey of 300km each way, plus an overnight stay in a hotel, which will not be cheap. It's much easier
    to watch him with the Berlin Phil.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    the waste of a good sheep-run.
    I have to admit that "near" was somewhat facetious.

    DH, by the way, recently gave very high praise to a John Wilson CD of English string music (including the RVW Tallis Fantasia), while admitting he had been rather negative about Wilson's ealier work.
    --
    Al Eisner
    Don't be too hard on yourseld, Al - 300 km on good roads is not regarded as any great distance in Australia. I've known Canberrans on very moderate incomes buy tickets for a stadium concert in Sydney, pile into their cars and stay overnight in a
    suburban motel. If it's a special show, the same people will drive to Melbourne and back, about 660 km each way. And yes, a few Canberrans subscribe to the Australian Opera.

    I've given up driving on medical grounds, so we no longer drive interstate, but flying is still possible if you pick the cheaper flights: it's reputed that the planes actually cruise for thirty minutes after takeoff/before landing. The slowest bit is
    getting through security at the airport...

    I'm very sensitive to drafts.

    Concerning security at the airport, would I have to go through THIS?:

    (Y. upload):

    "Holeproof Underdaks Underwear (Airport Metal Detector) - 1994 Australian TV Commercial"

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Thu Feb 23 01:28:30 2023
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 12:58:16 AM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 8:13:03 PM UTC-8, Andrew Clarke wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:15:53 AM UTC+11, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Feb 2023, Andrew Clarke wrote:

    On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 11:45:10 AM UTC+11, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Feb 2023, Andrew Clarke wrote:

    On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:07:51 PM UTC+11, wrote:
    ?????????????????

    Anything conducted by Sir Simon Rattle ...

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    Is that an opinion you would have formed sans Hurwitz? No reflection >> on the opinion itself....

    Anyway, you probably know that Rattle is soon coming to a city near you.
    --
    Al Eisner

    Put it thyis wat, Al, I don't read too many positive appreciation of Sir Simon's efforts in this group either. Damning with faint praise is the best I can expect. As for the Tum with the Tam, I no longer take seriously anything he has to say
    about British music-making in any shape or form, at least nobody since the death of Sir Adrian Boult. On the other hand, I was surprised to hear Mr Dallas acknowledging, in his review of the Beethoven Triple Concerto, the virtues of HIP orchestral sound -
    he just doesn't seem to recognise these virtues in any actual HIP orchestra ...
    As for Sir Simon, I don't believe in the league table approach to conductors, so I feel free to enjoy (or otherwise) Sir Simon's efforts, and I generally do enjoy what I've heard and, via the VCH, seen as well.
    I honestly didn't know that Sir Simon and the LSO were coming to Australia: it hasn't been publicised in the one Australian newspaper I read these days. By Australia is meant the three big cities, Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne, so the good
    citizens of Hobart, Adelaide and Perth, not to mention the national capital, will miss out. The city near me is of course Sydney, which will involve a journey of 300km each way, plus an overnight stay in a hotel, which will not be cheap. It's much easier
    to watch him with the Berlin Phil.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    the waste of a good sheep-run.
    I have to admit that "near" was somewhat facetious.

    DH, by the way, recently gave very high praise to a John Wilson CD of English string music (including the RVW Tallis Fantasia), while admitting
    he had been rather negative about Wilson's ealier work.
    --
    Al Eisner
    Don't be too hard on yourseld, Al - 300 km on good roads is not regarded as any great distance in Australia. I've known Canberrans on very moderate incomes buy tickets for a stadium concert in Sydney, pile into their cars and stay overnight in a
    suburban motel. If it's a special show, the same people will drive to Melbourne and back, about 660 km each way. And yes, a few Canberrans subscribe to the Australian Opera.

    I've given up driving on medical grounds, so we no longer drive interstate, but flying is still possible if you pick the cheaper flights: it's reputed that the planes actually cruise for thirty minutes after takeoff/before landing. The slowest bit is
    getting through security at the airport...

    I'm very sensitive to drafts.

    Concerning security at the airpot, would I have to go through THIS?:

    (Y. upload):

    "Holeproof Underdaks Underwear (Airport Metal Detector) - 1994 Australian TV Commercial"

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to Andrew Clarke on Thu Feb 23 03:10:45 2023
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:48:48 AM UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:

    modern instrument ensembles have learnt all they need to learn about tempi and orchestral colour from the HIP people, but do it much better, because they have better musicians and better instruments. The echoes of straws being clutched is still ringing (
    very faintly) in my ears ...

    Often these are the same people, playing different gigs.

    Dare I ask who Mr Tum is?

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to Herman on Thu Feb 23 08:28:11 2023
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:10:47 PM UTC+11, Herman wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:48:48 AM UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:

    modern instrument ensembles have learnt all they need to learn about tempi and orchestral colour from the HIP people, but do it much better, because they have better musicians and better instruments. The echoes of straws being clutched is still
    ringing (very faintly) in my ears ...

    Often these are the same people, playing different gigs.

    Dare I ask who Mr Tum is?

    The Tum with the Tam-Tam is a portly though animated gentleman whose YouTube presentations on musical subjects occasionally feature a large instrument of percussion suspended in a frame ...

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to Andrew Clarke on Thu Feb 23 09:13:23 2023
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 5:28:14 PM UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:


    Oh, so he's the same as "Big Dave". That's a lot of monikers...

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  • From MickeyBoy@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Thu Feb 23 14:07:53 2023
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 8:07:51 PM UTC-6, gggg gggg wrote:
    ?????????????????

    Feeling dumb now - how would I start a new conversation?

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to Herman on Thu Feb 23 14:55:31 2023
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:13:26 AM UTC+11, Herman wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 5:28:14 PM UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:


    Oh, so he's the same as "Big Dave". That's a lot of monikers...

    Well, there's quite a lot of Dave. You forgot "Mr Dallas" (You're from Big D, I Can Guess).

    More from the Alma Mahler Songbook:

    Eugene, the Youth with a Wonderful Horn
    Kinder Totin' Frieda, She's a Fabulous Breeder

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From Notsure01@21:1/5 to Andrew Clarke on Thu Feb 23 18:30:14 2023
    On 2/23/23 5:55 PM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:13:26 AM UTC+11, Herman wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 5:28:14 PM UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote: >>>

    Oh, so he's the same as "Big Dave". That's a lot of monikers...

    Well, there's quite a lot of Dave. You forgot "Mr Dallas" (You're from Big D, I Can Guess).

    More from the Alma Mahler Songbook:

    Eugene, the Youth with a Wonderful Horn
    Kinder Totin' Frieda, She's a Fabulous Breeder

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

    Thanks! A fellow RMCR humorist - Owen and I (???) were getting lonely -
    RMCR is driving us to drink and we hadn't even thanked them (apologies
    to W. C. Fields, but Alma deserves none...)

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  • From Al Eisner@21:1/5 to Andrew Clarke on Thu Feb 23 21:59:18 2023
    On Wed, 22 Feb 2023, Andrew Clarke wrote:

    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:15:53 AM UTC+11, Al Eisner wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Feb 2023, Andrew Clarke wrote:

    On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 11:45:10 AM UTC+11, Al Eisner wrote: >>>> On Mon, 20 Feb 2023, Andrew Clarke wrote:

    On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:07:51 PM UTC+11, gggg gggg wrote: >>>>>> ?????????????????

    Anything conducted by Sir Simon Rattle ...

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    Is that an opinion you would have formed sans Hurwitz? No reflection
    on the opinion itself....

    Anyway, you probably know that Rattle is soon coming to a city near you. >>>> --
    Al Eisner

    Put it thyis wat, Al, I don't read too many positive appreciation of Sir Simon's efforts in this group either. Damning with faint praise is the best I can expect. As for the Tum with the Tam, I no longer take seriously anything he has to say about
    British music-making in any shape or form, at least nobody since the death of Sir Adrian Boult. On the other hand, I was surprised to hear Mr Dallas acknowledging, in his review of the Beethoven Triple Concerto, the virtues of HIP orchestral sound - he
    just doesn't seem to recognise these virtues in any actual HIP orchestra ... >>> As for Sir Simon, I don't believe in the league table approach to conductors, so I feel free to enjoy (or otherwise) Sir Simon's efforts, and I generally do enjoy what I've heard and, via the VCH, seen as well.
    I honestly didn't know that Sir Simon and the LSO were coming to Australia: it hasn't been publicised in the one Australian newspaper I read these days. By Australia is meant the three big cities, Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne, so the good citizens
    of Hobart, Adelaide and Perth, not to mention the national capital, will miss out. The city near me is of course Sydney, which will involve a journey of 300km each way, plus an overnight stay in a hotel, which will not be cheap. It's much easier to watch
    him with the Berlin Phil.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    the waste of a good sheep-run.
    I have to admit that "near" was somewhat facetious.

    DH, by the way, recently gave very high praise to a John Wilson CD of
    English string music (including the RVW Tallis Fantasia), while admitting
    he had been rather negative about Wilson's ealier work.
    --
    Al Eisner

    Don't be too hard on yourseld, Al - 300 km on good roads is not regarded as any great distance in Australia. I've known Canberrans on very moderate incomes buy tickets for a stadium concert in Sydney, pile into their cars and stay overnight in a
    suburban motel. If it's a special show, the same people will drive to Melbourne and back, about 660 km each way. And yes, a few Canberrans subscribe to the Australian Opera.

    I've given up driving on medical grounds, so we no longer drive interstate, but flying is still possible if you pick the cheaper flights: it's reputed that the planes actually cruise for thirty minutes after takeoff/before landing. The slowest bit is
    getting through security at the airport. There's an hourly road coach service to Sydney and back, but I'm told they pack 'em in like sardines. So we take the train, which takes much longer but is much more comfortable., and the scenery's more interesting
    too. It's quite pleasant listening to "King Arthur" on headphones with the Southern tablelands rolling past.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

    Sounds nice - just have to hope the concert you attend isn't anti-cliaactic.
    --
    Al Eisner

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to Al Eisner on Thu Feb 23 23:44:46 2023
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:59:25 PM UTC+11, Al Eisner wrote:

    I've given up driving on medical grounds, so we no longer drive interstate, but flying is still possible if you pick the cheaper flights: it's reputed that the planes actually cruise for thirty minutes after takeoff/before landing. The slowest bit is
    getting through security at the airport. There's an hourly road coach service to Sydney and back, but I'm told they pack 'em in like sardines. So we take the train, which takes much longer but is much more comfortable., and the scenery's more interesting
    too. It's quite pleasant listening to "King Arthur" on headphones with the Southern tablelands rolling past.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    Sounds nice - just have to hope the concert you attend isn't anti-cliaactic. --
    Al Eisner

    Al, We won't be going to any concert, anticlimactic or otherwise. We'd both probably both fall asleep just after the interval. Maybe ABC Classic will broadcast the concerts, I don't know. These days, as I say, it's much easier and cheaper to stream
    performances from Berlin, London, Paris, the Met, etc. The digital economy is a godsend to the elderly, if only because if we fall asleep halfway through, we can restart later ...

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to MickeyBoy on Thu Feb 23 23:18:37 2023
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 9:07:56 AM UTC+11, MickeyBoy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 8:07:51 PM UTC-6, gggg gggg wrote:
    ?????????????????

    Feeling dumb now - how would I start a new conversation?

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 24 00:05:16 2023
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:30:20 AM UTC+11, Notsure01 wrote:
    On 2/23/23 5:55 PM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:13:26 AM UTC+11, Herman wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 5:28:14 PM UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:


    Oh, so he's the same as "Big Dave". That's a lot of monikers...

    Well, there's quite a lot of Dave. You forgot "Mr Dallas" (You're from Big D, I Can Guess).

    More from the Alma Mahler Songbook:

    Eugene, the Youth with a Wonderful Horn
    Kinder Totin' Frieda, She's a Fabulous Breeder

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    Thanks! A fellow RMCR humorist - Owen and I (???) were getting lonely -
    RMCR is driving us to drink and we hadn't even thanked them (apologies
    to W. C. Fields, but Alma deserves none...)

    Well, I hope that you and Owen have booked your tickets for the Philadelphia Orchestra's 2023 season where some of Alma's works are to be performed as part of the Big Cheese's new emphasis on inclusivity. I suspect that these will be drawn from the
    seventeen surviving lieder noted by Wikipedia, rather than the long-forgotten theatre songs, as previously cited, scored for mezzosoprano, C melody saxophone, violin, cornet and piano, later discovered in the basement of what had been Barney's Burlesk
    Theater in Akron, Ohio, where Alma had been putting on the old hot wiggle to assist her husband with the rent on the old shovel and broom. Oral tradition maintains that her performances of 'Stinker Lee' and 'Nobody In Town Can Bake A Jelly Roll Like Mine'
    - her English was never perfect - brought the house down every time.

    I do hope the Philly puts on 'Linda and her Travelling Frankfurter Seller' which I believe was the song being performed by Alma when the police department finally closed the place down.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to Andrew Clarke on Fri Feb 24 03:27:41 2023
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 7:05:19 PM UTC+11, Andrew Clarke wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:30:20 AM UTC+11, Notsure01 wrote:
    On 2/23/23 5:55 PM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:13:26 AM UTC+11, Herman wrote:
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 5:28:14 PM UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:


    Oh, so he's the same as "Big Dave". That's a lot of monikers...

    Well, there's quite a lot of Dave. You forgot "Mr Dallas" (You're from Big D, I Can Guess).

    More from the Alma Mahler Songbook:

    Eugene, the Youth with a Wonderful Horn
    Kinder Totin' Frieda, She's a Fabulous Breeder

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra
    Thanks! A fellow RMCR humorist - Owen and I (???) were getting lonely - RMCR is driving us to drink and we hadn't even thanked them (apologies
    to W. C. Fields, but Alma deserves none...)
    Well, I hope that you and Owen have booked your tickets for the Philadelphia Orchestra's 2023 season where some of Alma's works are to be performed as part of the Big Cheese's new emphasis on inclusivity. I suspect that these will be drawn from the
    seventeen surviving lieder noted by Wikipedia, rather than the long-forgotten theatre songs, as previously cited, scored for mezzosoprano, C melody saxophone, violin, cornet and piano, later discovered in the basement of what had been Barney's Burlesk
    Theater in Akron, Ohio, where Alma had been putting on the old hot wiggle to assist her husband with the rent on the old shovel and broom. Oral tradition maintains that her performances of 'Stinker Lee' and 'Nobody In Town Can Bake A Jelly Roll Like Mine'
    - her English was never perfect - brought the house down every time.

    I do hope the Philly puts on 'Linda and her Travelling Frankfurter Seller' which I believe was the song being performed by Alma when the police department finally closed the place down.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

    Correction: what Alma actually sang was "Nobody in Town can bake a Casserole like mine' which rather missed the point, much to the delight of the audience.

    AC
    C

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  • From Owen Hartnett@21:1/5 to Andrew Clarke on Fri Feb 24 15:35:18 2023
    On 2023-02-24 11:27:41 +0000, Andrew Clarke said:

    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 7:05:19 PM UTC+11, Andrew Clarke wrote:
    On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:30:20 AM UTC+11, Notsure01 wrote:> >
    On 2/23/23 5:55 PM, Andrew Clarke wrote:> > > On Friday, February 24,
    2023 at 4:13:26 AM UTC+11, Herman wrote:> > >> On Thursday, February
    23, 2023 at 5:28:14 PM UTC+1, Andrew Clarke wrote:> > >>>> > >>> > >>
    Oh, so he's the same as "Big Dave". That's a lot of monikers...> > >> >
    Well, there's quite a lot of Dave. You forgot "Mr Dallas" (You're
    from Big D, I Can Guess).> > >> > > More from the Alma Mahler
    Songbook:> > >> > > Eugene, the Youth with a Wonderful Horn> > > Kinder
    Totin' Frieda, She's a Fabulous Breeder> > >> > > Andrew Clarke> > >
    Canberra> > Thanks! A fellow RMCR humorist - Owen and I (???) were
    getting lonely -> > RMCR is driving us to drink and we hadn't even
    thanked them (apologies> > to W. C. Fields, but Alma deserves none...)
    Well, I hope that you and Owen have booked your tickets for the
    Philadelphia Orchestra's 2023 season where some of Alma's works are to
    be performed as part of the Big Cheese's new emphasis on inclusivity. I
    suspect that these will be drawn from the seventeen surviving lieder
    noted by Wikipedia, rather than the long-forgotten theatre songs, as
    previously cited, scored for mezzosoprano, C melody saxophone, violin,
    cornet and piano, later discovered in the basement of what had been
    Barney's Burlesk Theater in Akron, Ohio, where Alma had been putting on
    the old hot wiggle to assist her husband with the rent on the old
    shovel and broom. Oral tradition maintains that her performances of
    'Stinker Lee' and 'Nobody In Town Can Bake A Jelly Roll Like Mine' -
    her English was never perfect - brought the house down every time.>> I
    do hope the Philly puts on 'Linda and her Travelling Frankfurter
    Seller' which I believe was the song being performed by Alma when the
    police department finally closed the place down.>> Andrew Clarke>
    Canberra

    Correction: what Alma actually sang was "Nobody in Town can bake a
    Casserole like mine' which rather missed the point, much to the delight
    of the audience.

    AC
    C

    I do have a soft spot for traditional jazz. Someone in this group
    posted two rips of the Casa Loma Orchestra which are just phenomenal.

    -Owen

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to Owen Hartnett on Fri Feb 24 14:58:47 2023
    On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 7:35:33 AM UTC+11, Owen Hartnett wrote:

    I do have a soft spot for traditional jazz. Someone in this group
    posted two rips of the Casa Loma Orchestra which are just phenomenal.

    -Owen

    Well, "Bim! Bam! Alacazam!", inspired by a big number in Gustav's Third Symphony, has quite a nice slow drag feel to it.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to Andrew Clarke on Fri Feb 24 15:08:15 2023
    On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 9:58:50 AM UTC+11, Andrew Clarke wrote:
    On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 7:35:33 AM UTC+11, Owen Hartnett wrote:

    I do have a soft spot for traditional jazz. Someone in this group
    posted two rips of the Casa Loma Orchestra which are just phenomenal.

    -Owen
    Well, "Bim! Bam! Alacazam!", inspired by a big number in Gustav's Third Symphony, has quite a nice slow drag feel to it.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

    Speaking of drag, Kylie and Danniii Minogue have just opened the Sydney Gay Mardi Gras. Do you think they could give a much-needed boost to the Met? Fiordiligi and Dorabella? Clorinda and Thisbe?

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From Owen Hartnett@21:1/5 to Andrew Clarke on Sat Feb 25 13:05:07 2023
    On 2023-02-24 23:08:15 +0000, Andrew Clarke said:

    On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 9:58:50 AM UTC+11, Andrew Clarke wrote:
    On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 7:35:33 AM UTC+11, Owen Hartnett
    wrote:>> > I do have a soft spot for traditional jazz. Someone in this
    group> > posted two rips of the Casa Loma Orchestra which are just
    phenomenal.> >> > -Owen
    Well, "Bim! Bam! Alacazam!", inspired by a big number in Gustav's Third
    Symphony, has quite a nice slow drag feel to it.>> Andrew Clarke>
    Canberra

    Speaking of drag, Kylie and Danniii Minogue have just opened the Sydney
    Gay Mardi Gras. Do you think they could give a much-needed boost to the
    Met? Fiordiligi and Dorabella? Clorinda and Thisbe?



    The Met could probably stand a bit of loco-motion. They're high on the
    loco already, but slow on the motion.

    -Owen

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  • From Owen Hartnett@21:1/5 to Andrew Clarke on Sat Feb 25 13:01:00 2023
    On 2023-02-24 22:58:47 +0000, Andrew Clarke said:

    On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 7:35:33 AM UTC+11, Owen Hartnett wrote:

    I do have a soft spot for traditional jazz. Someone in this group>
    posted two rips of the Casa Loma Orchestra which are just phenomenal.>>
    -Owen

    Well, "Bim! Bam! Alacazam!", inspired by a big number in Gustav's Third Symphony, has quite a nice slow drag feel to it.


    Fluffy's orchestral sound has always had a big band sway feeling for
    me, especially in his Brahms symphonies. Maybe a new HVK box: Swing
    and Sway with Herbert von K?

    We need someone to do for ragtime what Mahler did for Klezmer.

    -Owen

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to Owen Hartnett on Sat Feb 25 15:59:37 2023
    On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 5:05:20 AM UTC+11, Owen Hartnett wrote:
    On 2023-02-24 23:08:15 +0000, Andrew Clarke said:

    On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 9:58:50 AM UTC+11, Andrew Clarke wrote:
    On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 7:35:33 AM UTC+11, Owen Hartnett
    wrote:>> > I do have a soft spot for traditional jazz. Someone in this
    group> > posted two rips of the Casa Loma Orchestra which are just
    phenomenal.> >> > -Owen
    Well, "Bim! Bam! Alacazam!", inspired by a big number in Gustav's Third >> Symphony, has quite a nice slow drag feel to it.>> Andrew Clarke>
    Canberra

    Speaking of drag, Kylie and Danniii Minogue have just opened the Sydney Gay Mardi Gras. Do you think they could give a much-needed boost to the Met? Fiordiligi and Dorabella? Clorinda and Thisbe?

    The Met could probably stand a bit of loco-motion. They're high on the
    loco already, but slow on the motion.

    -Owen

    They should be so lucky ... Meanwhile, Messrs Stock, Aitken and Waterman, the original producers of Miss Minogue's recordings, are still alive, although Pete Waterman is more interested in very large and very expensive scale model locomotion these days.
    Perhaps the Met could tempt them out of retirement? I'm sure "Lucia di Lammermuir" would benefit from a bit of artificial reverb and some tinkly bells doubling the melody at strategic moments ...

    The Met's streaming site still largely consists of cinema films and radio broadcasts of yesteryear, which is understandable as the material is readily available and of course there's some wonderful singing, even if the productions can look dated. And of
    course, there's a celebration of the Met's African-American talent. But there remains a certain museum-like quality ...

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From number_six@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 28 18:11:31 2023
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 6:01:27 AM UTC-8, HT wrote:
    Op zondag 11 december 2022 om 03:07:51 UTC+1 schreef gggg gggg:
    ?????????????????

    Milhaud. Piano concertos and Saudades do Brasil.
    Kabalevsky. Piano concertos and music for piano solo.
    Godowsky. Music for piano solo.
    Etc. etc.

    I hate so much that others love (everything before Bach, almost everything after 1950, all operas, all ballet music, ...) that I wouldn't know where to begin.

    Henk

    What's an exception to your 1950 line of demarcation?
    Last great work prior to 1950?

    Oscar once described a similar (but somewhat later) line where his interest in jazz was concerned.

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