• Re: Tchaikovsky ballets with Slatkin

    From Herman@21:1/5 to Herman on Fri Dec 9 08:55:05 2022
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:51:40 PM UTC+1, Herman wrote:
    Swan Lake is really glorified marching band music ("Hoempa" in Dutch).

    I have a hard time picturing people listening to Swan Lake at home a lot.

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 9 08:51:37 2022
    I have the Slatkin Swan Lake, and it's just fine.
    I remember staring in the orchestra pit at an Amsterdam Carré performance by the full Mariinski, and another guy says Swan Lake is really glorified marching band music ("Hoempa" in Dutch).
    It's not like it's that hard to perform.
    As I recall the Slatkin recording does not include the music that Balanchine used for his short ballet Tchaikovsky Pas de Deux. Some other recordings do.

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  • From Gerard@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 9 17:37:19 2022
    Hurwitz was very enthousiastic lately about Slatikn's recording of Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake. It appears to be his favorite recording.
    Do other people here share that enthousiasm? And how about Slatkin's
    recordings of Sleeping Beauty and The Nutcracker?

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  • From Gerard@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 9 18:40:04 2022
    Op 2022-12-09 om 17:55 schreef Herman:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:51:40 PM UTC+1, Herman wrote:
    Swan Lake is really glorified marching band music ("Hoempa" in Dutch).

    I have a hard time picturing people listening to Swan Lake at home a lot.

    Here at home it's always a "success" - because the first waltz once was
    used in a C&A advertisement. ;-) (op de tekst "o zo heerlijk")

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to Gerard on Fri Dec 9 10:20:11 2022
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:40:08 PM UTC+1, Gerard wrote:
    because the first waltz once was
    used in a C&A advertisement. ;-) (op de tekst "o zo heerlijk")

    really. they should have used the Dance of the Goblets in that case.

    I went to three successive nights of that Mariinsky Swan Lake in that smallish theatre Carre, and that's how Swan Lake shoudl sound, to me. There's something of a wild animal sound in that orchestra in this usic, really unforgettable.

    I have also sat in at many studio rehearsals of Swan Lake, with a studio pianist doing the grind, and the interesting thing is that Swan Lake on piano sounds just like Schumann.

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  • From Owen Hartnett@21:1/5 to Gerard on Fri Dec 9 13:27:13 2022
    On 2022-12-09 17:40:04 +0000, Gerard said:

    Op 2022-12-09 om 17:55 schreef Herman:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:51:40 PM UTC+1, Herman wrote:
    Swan Lake is really glorified marching band music ("Hoempa" in Dutch).

    I have a hard time picturing people listening to Swan Lake at home a lot.

    Here at home it's always a "success" - because the first waltz once was
    used in a C&A advertisement. ;-) (op de tekst "o zo heerlijk")

    The music was kind of an idee fixe in the original Dracula movie with
    Bela Lugosi.

    -Owen

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Gerard on Fri Dec 9 14:12:03 2022
    On Saturday, 10 December 2022 at 03:37:26 UTC+11, Gerard wrote:
    Hurwitz was very enthousiastic lately about Slatikn's recording of Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake. It appears to be his favorite recording.
    Do other people here share that enthousiasm? And how about Slatkin's recordings of Sleeping Beauty and The Nutcracker?

    I bought it as a result but it isn't for me. Very well played however but no magic and it all sounds a bit relentless. I find all 3 suites lacking any real charm, which is an essential ingredient this music must have.
    You can have my copy of the Slatkin, no sweat.

    Best in my opinion to keep with the likes of Fistoulari and and other well known recordings. Ansrmet is very fine too.

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Herman on Fri Dec 9 14:14:37 2022
    On Saturday, 10 December 2022 at 03:55:08 UTC+11, Herman wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:51:40 PM UTC+1, Herman wrote:
    Swan Lake is really glorified marching band music ("Hoempa" in Dutch).

    I have a hard time picturing people listening to Swan Lake at home a lot.

    Nutcracker is the best of the three suites by far, followed by Sleeping Beauty. At least to my ears.

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Gerard on Fri Dec 9 15:47:28 2022
    On Saturday, 10 December 2022 at 10:32:49 UTC+11, Gerard wrote:
    Op 2022-12-09 om 23:12 schreef raymond....gmail.com:
    On Saturday, 10 December 2022 at 03:37:26 UTC+11, Gerard wrote:
    Hurwitz was very enthousiastic lately about Slatikn's recording of
    Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake. It appears to be his favorite recording.
    Do other people here share that enthousiasm? And how about Slatkin's
    recordings of Sleeping Beauty and The Nutcracker?

    I bought it as a result but it isn't for me. Very well played however but no magic and it all sounds a bit relentless. I find all 3 suites lacking any real charm, which is an essential ingredient this music must have.
    You can have my copy of the Slatkin, no sweat.

    Best in my opinion to keep with the likes of Fistoulari and and other well known recordings. Ansrmet is very fine too.

    Ray Hall, Taree
    The recordings (by Slatkin) I could find is a RCA/Sony box with all 3 complete ballets. Relatively cheap. I did not find any suites by Slatkin.
    But that aside: I actually don't "need" other recordings of Tchaikovsky ballets, having a lot of them already including Fistoulari with Swan
    Lake highlights and Ansermet with the not really complete ballets.
    But that video by Hurwitz has made me curious if I had missed something
    very good. I cannot remember having seen ever any review of the
    Tchaikovsky recordings by Slatkin, and surely not an enthusiastic one.
    Maybe Hurwitz stands here alone - it would not be the first time ...

    The Slatkin box has 6 cds, and has far more of the ballet music than I really need.
    In any case, I found Fistoulari in my collection, and also Giulini with some highlights.
    Many people say Dorati/RCO is very good especially in the Sleeping Beauty.

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From Gerard@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 10 00:32:45 2022
    Op 2022-12-09 om 23:12 schreef raymond....@gmail.com:
    On Saturday, 10 December 2022 at 03:37:26 UTC+11, Gerard wrote:
    Hurwitz was very enthousiastic lately about Slatikn's recording of
    Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake. It appears to be his favorite recording.
    Do other people here share that enthousiasm? And how about Slatkin's
    recordings of Sleeping Beauty and The Nutcracker?

    I bought it as a result but it isn't for me. Very well played however but no magic and it all sounds a bit relentless. I find all 3 suites lacking any real charm, which is an essential ingredient this music must have.
    You can have my copy of the Slatkin, no sweat.

    Best in my opinion to keep with the likes of Fistoulari and and other well known recordings. Ansrmet is very fine too.

    Ray Hall, Taree

    The recordings (by Slatkin) I could find is a RCA/Sony box with all 3
    complete ballets. Relatively cheap. I did not find any suites by Slatkin.
    But that aside: I actually don't "need" other recordings of Tchaikovsky ballets, having a lot of them already including Fistoulari with Swan
    Lake highlights and Ansermet with the not really complete ballets.
    But that video by Hurwitz has made me curious if I had missed something
    very good. I cannot remember having seen ever any review of the
    Tchaikovsky recordings by Slatkin, and surely not an enthusiastic one.
    Maybe Hurwitz stands here alone - it would not be the first time ...

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to raymond....@gmail.com on Fri Dec 9 22:08:53 2022
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 11:12:06 PM UTC+1, raymond....@gmail.com wrote: >I find all 3 suites lacking any real charm, which is an essential ingredient this music must have.

    Slatkin's is no "suite", i.e. a highlights compilation. His recordings offer three more or less complete ballets.

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to raymond....@gmail.com on Fri Dec 9 23:53:54 2022
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 12:47:32 AM UTC+1, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:

    Many people say Dorati/RCO is very good especially in the Sleeping Beauty.

    Ray Hall, Taree

    Yeah, many people say a lot of stuff.
    Dorati is a terrific conductor, however the Concertgebouw performance is rather symphonic, with (as I recall) a dollop of engineered concertgebouw acoustic, which is very bad for rhythmic acuity.
    People say a lot of things about the Tchaikovsky ballets, but the problem is it's unclear what they expect. For instance, you talk about getting "more than you need". That's an interesting perspective. Let's say we make a suite of the Beethoven piano
    concertos and turn those five pieces into one concert with some piano high jinks, because we don't want more than we need, and ma, can you get me a beer?

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to raymond....@gmail.com on Sat Dec 10 00:46:41 2022
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 9:23:58 AM UTC+1, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
    At the moment in Taree I play glockendspiel in the Nutcracker (Sugar Plum Fairy, Russian Dances and Marches) in a community band, and without any boasting I prefer playing than listening. The Plum Fairy must not be rushed, and it must be nuanced and
    with an injection of humour added. Slatkin runs a train over this section, even though the St. Louis Glocker will be far better than moi.

    Oh that's fun. As you know Tchaikovsky was very proud of that bit.

    Tchaikovsky was working at a different level with his ballets than he was with his symphonic works, and was obviously having to accomodate choreography. To say it is lower level music is a bit unfair, but to some small extent it is true. I still love
    chunks of this music though, especially at this time of the year.

    Regretfully I have to tell you this is not true, in so far that I disagree.
    I find most of Tchaikovksy's symphonies horrible schlock (I'm not going to say that's 'true') and his Beauty and Nutcracker rise far above the level of the symphonies, in terms of invention and orchestration. The restrictions of 'numbers' were a blessing.
    Stravinsky felt the same way about this. Swan Lake is more or less on the same level.

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Herman on Sat Dec 10 00:23:55 2022
    On Saturday, 10 December 2022 at 18:53:57 UTC+11, Herman wrote:
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 12:47:32 AM UTC+1, raymond....gmail.com wrote:

    Many people say Dorati/RCO is very good especially in the Sleeping Beauty.

    Ray Hall, Taree
    Yeah, many people say a lot of stuff.
    Dorati is a terrific conductor, however the Concertgebouw performance is rather symphonic, with (as I recall) a dollop of engineered concertgebouw acoustic, which is very bad for rhythmic acuity.
    People say a lot of things about the Tchaikovsky ballets, but the problem is it's unclear what they expect. >For instance, you talk about getting "more than you need". That's an interesting perspective. Let's say we >make a suite of the Beethoven piano
    concertos and turn those five pieces into one concert with some piano >high jinks, because we don't want more than we need, and ma, can you get me a beer?

    I'll take a whole Tchaikovsky ballet if it is a live ballet performance or a video, but for home listening I'll stick to highlights, especially the Sleeping Beauty and Nutcracker. I don't listen to Swan Lake as music.

    Besides it isn't really a good analogy to compare using Beethoven's pcs as an example, because obviously they must stand alone as complete works. However I found Slatkin quite charmless even in the places where highlights are usually chosen. At the
    moment in Taree I play glockendspiel in the Nutcracker (Sugar Plum Fairy, Russian Dances and Marches) in a community band, and without any boasting I prefer playing than listening. The Plum Fairy must not be rushed, and it must be nuanced and with an
    injection of humour added. Slatkin runs a train over this section, even though the St. Louis Glocker will be far better than moi.

    Tchaikovsky was working at a different level with his ballets than he was with his symphonic works, and was obviously having to accomodate choreography. To say it is lower level music is a bit unfair, but to some small extent it is true. I still love
    chunks of this music though, especially at this time of the year.

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From Gerard@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 10 12:21:56 2022
    Op 2022-12-10 om 09:23 schreef raymond....@gmail.com:
    On Saturday, 10 December 2022 at 18:53:57 UTC+11, Herman wrote:
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 12:47:32 AM UTC+1, raymond....gmail.com wrote:

    Many people say Dorati/RCO is very good especially in the Sleeping Beauty. >>>
    Ray Hall, Taree
    Yeah, many people say a lot of stuff.
    Dorati is a terrific conductor, however the Concertgebouw performance is rather symphonic, with (as I recall) a dollop of engineered concertgebouw acoustic, which is very bad for rhythmic acuity.
    People say a lot of things about the Tchaikovsky ballets, but the problem is it's unclear what they expect. >For instance, you talk about getting "more than you need". That's an interesting perspective. Let's say we >make a suite of the Beethoven
    piano concertos and turn those five pieces into one concert with some piano >high jinks, because we don't want more than we need, and ma, can you get me a beer?

    I'll take a whole Tchaikovsky ballet if it is a live ballet performance or a video, but for home listening I'll stick to highlights, especially the Sleeping Beauty and Nutcracker. I don't listen to Swan Lake as music.

    Besides it isn't really a good analogy to compare using Beethoven's pcs as an example, because obviously they must stand alone as complete works. However I found Slatkin quite charmless even in the places where highlights are usually chosen. At the
    moment in Taree I play glockendspiel in the Nutcracker (Sugar Plum Fairy, Russian Dances and Marches) in a community band, and without any boasting I prefer playing than listening. The Plum Fairy must not be rushed, and it must be nuanced and with an
    injection of humour added. Slatkin runs a train over this section, even though the St. Louis Glocker will be far better than moi.

    Tchaikovsky was working at a different level with his ballets than he was with his symphonic works, and was obviously having to accomodate choreography. To say it is lower level music is a bit unfair, but to some small extent it is true. I still love
    chunks of this music though, especially at this time of the year.

    Ray Hall, Taree

    I love this music in any form - well, no, in most forms. E.g. as suites
    for orchestra. Occasionally in a piano arrangement.
    As long as it is not played charmless.

    Re Dorati: I remember a discussion here with someone who talked about a recording of Swan Lake by Dorati with the Concertgebouw Orchestra. He
    was very persisting about that, stating that he was listening at it
    "right now".

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to Gerard on Sat Dec 10 09:26:58 2022
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 12:22:01 PM UTC+1, Gerard wrote:


    Re Dorati: I remember a discussion here with someone who talked about a recording of Swan Lake by Dorati with the Concertgebouw Orchestra. He
    was very persisting about that, stating that he was listening at it
    "right now".
    well that cannot have been me. I have Dorati's Minneapolis Swan Lake, which is only right, since Minnesota is the land of a thousand lakes, right?

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  • From Gerard@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 10 19:47:26 2022
    Op 2022-12-10 om 18:26 schreef Herman:
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 12:22:01 PM UTC+1, Gerard wrote:


    Re Dorati: I remember a discussion here with someone who talked about a
    recording of Swan Lake by Dorati with the Concertgebouw Orchestra. He
    was very persisting about that, stating that he was listening at it
    "right now".
    well that cannot have been me. I have Dorati's Minneapolis Swan Lake, which is only right, since Minnesota is the land of a thousand lakes, right?

    Nope. Finland is ;-)

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to Gerard on Sat Dec 10 10:53:11 2022
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 7:47:31 PM UTC+1, Gerard wrote:

    well that cannot have been me. I have Dorati's Minneapolis Swan Lake, which is only right, since Minnesota is the land of a thousand lakes, right?
    Nope. Finland is ;-)

    The Minnesota license plates used to say "10.000 Lakes".

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  • From Gerard@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 10 20:41:00 2022
    Op 2022-12-10 om 19:53 schreef Herman:
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 7:47:31 PM UTC+1, Gerard wrote:

    well that cannot have been me. I have Dorati's Minneapolis Swan Lake, which is only right, since Minnesota is the land of a thousand lakes, right?
    Nope. Finland is ;-)

    The Minnesota license plates used to say "10.000 Lakes".

    OK, always trust license plates. ;-)
    What do they say about Slatkin's Tchaikovsky? 10.000 takes?

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  • From Alex Brown@21:1/5 to Gerard on Sat Dec 10 20:53:42 2022
    On 2022-12-09 16:37, Gerard wrote:

    Hurwitz was very enthousiastic lately  about Slatikn's recording of Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake. It appears to be his favorite recording.
    Do other people here share that enthousiasm? And how about Slatkin's recordings of Sleeping Beauty and The Nutcracker?

    Love the complete ballets, but not these Slatkin recordings which are
    robotic & average to my ears.

    Instead:

    * Swan Lake - Montéal/Dutoit

    * Sleeping Beauty - Russian NO/Pletnev (or Concetgebouw/Dorati if you
    can do slow)

    * Nutcracker - Many great ones but this year it's London SO/Mackerras
    for me!



    --
    - Alex Brown

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Gerard on Sat Dec 10 13:46:00 2022
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:37:26 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:
    Hurwitz was very enthousiastic lately about Slatikn's recording of Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake. It appears to be his favorite recording.
    Do other people here share that enthousiasm? And how about Slatkin's recordings of Sleeping Beauty and The Nutcracker?

    Any reactions to Efrem Kurtz's recordings?

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Gerard on Sat Dec 10 14:27:57 2022
    On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 05:47:31 UTC+11, Gerard wrote:
    Op 2022-12-10 om 18:26 schreef Herman:
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 12:22:01 PM UTC+1, Gerard wrote:


    Re Dorati: I remember a discussion here with someone who talked about a
    recording of Swan Lake by Dorati with the Concertgebouw Orchestra. He
    was very persisting about that, stating that he was listening at it
    "right now".
    well that cannot have been me. I have Dorati's Minneapolis Swan Lake, which is only right, since Minnesota is the land of a thousand lakes, right?
    Nope. Finland is ;-)

    188,000 give or take one or two. I know a Finnish lady in Taree that says Finland is just a giant swamp - with lots of trees.

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sat Dec 10 14:22:05 2022
    On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 08:46:03 UTC+11, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:37:26 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:
    Hurwitz was very enthousiastic lately about Slatikn's recording of Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake. It appears to be his favorite recording.
    Do other people here share that enthousiasm? And how about Slatkin's recordings of Sleeping Beauty and The Nutcracker?
    Any reactions to Efrem Kurtz's recordings?

    They were very good from memory.

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From Gerard@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 11 13:13:59 2022
    Op 2022-12-10 om 23:22 schreef raymond....@gmail.com:
    On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 08:46:03 UTC+11, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:37:26 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:
    Hurwitz was very enthousiastic lately about Slatikn's recording of
    Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake. It appears to be his favorite recording.
    Do other people here share that enthousiasm? And how about Slatkin's
    recordings of Sleeping Beauty and The Nutcracker?
    Any reactions to Efrem Kurtz's recordings?

    They were very good from memory.

    Ray Hall, Taree

    Did he make recordings of the complete ballets? I have some
    highlights/suites with Kurtz.

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  • From Gerard@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 11 13:11:56 2022
    Op 2022-12-10 om 21:53 schreef Alex Brown:
    On 2022-12-09 16:37, Gerard wrote:

    Hurwitz was very enthousiastic lately  about Slatikn's recording of
    Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake. It appears to be his favorite recording.
    Do other people here share that enthousiasm? And how about Slatkin's
    recordings of Sleeping Beauty and The Nutcracker?

    Love the complete ballets, but not these Slatkin recordings which are
    robotic & average to my ears.

    Instead:

    * Swan Lake - Montéal/Dutoit

    * Sleeping Beauty - Russian NO/Pletnev (or Concetgebouw/Dorati if you
    can do slow)

    * Nutcracker - Many great ones but this year it's London SO/Mackerras
    for me!


    Thanks. I have all those, except Slatkin ;-) I will keep it that way.

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to Herman on Sun Dec 11 07:32:52 2022
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 3:51:40 AM UTC+11, Herman wrote:
    I have the Slatkin Swan Lake, and it's just fine.
    I remember staring in the orchestra pit at an Amsterdam Carré performance by the full Mariinski, and another guy says Swan Lake is really glorified marching band music ("Hoempa" in Dutch).

    Glorious! That's "oompah" in British English - can't speak for the Americans here, but I expect a number of them will speak for themselves. It refers to the sound of the lower brass in military or brass bands, and indeed in boy's comics, any enormous
    brass instrument apparently capable of swallowing its owner alive was known as an "oompah".

    It also seems to a term applied to the kind of bierstein-waving, lederhosen-wearing musicians which the Germans bring out for the benefit of tourists in places like Munich.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Gerard on Sun Dec 11 12:31:40 2022
    On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 23:14:05 UTC+11, Gerard wrote:
    Op 2022-12-10 om 23:22 schreef raymond....gmail.com:
    On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 08:46:03 UTC+11, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:37:26 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:
    Hurwitz was very enthousiastic lately about Slatikn's recording of
    Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake. It appears to be his favorite recording.
    Do other people here share that enthousiasm? And how about Slatkin's
    recordings of Sleeping Beauty and The Nutcracker?
    Any reactions to Efrem Kurtz's recordings?

    They were very good from memory.

    Ray Hall, Taree
    Did he make recordings of the complete ballets? I have some
    highlights/suites with Kurtz.

    I don't think so, but he recorded a lot of the highlights circa late 1950s. It wasn't in vogue then to record every bit of something, especially ballets. The medium of vinyl didn't encourage this either. He was well versed as a conductor of ballet.

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From number_six@21:1/5 to Gerard on Sun Dec 11 19:12:44 2022
    On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 4:14:05 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:
    Op 2022-12-10 om 23:22 schreef raymond....@gmail.com:
    On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 08:46:03 UTC+11, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:37:26 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:
    Hurwitz was very enthousiastic lately about Slatikn's recording of
    Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake. It appears to be his favorite recording.
    Do other people here share that enthousiasm? And how about Slatkin's
    recordings of Sleeping Beauty and The Nutcracker?
    Any reactions to Efrem Kurtz's recordings?

    They were very good from memory.

    Ray Hall, Taree
    Did he make recordings of the complete ballets? I have some
    highlights/suites with Kurtz.
    Complete or mostly so -- I recall a 3-lp box on Seraphim
    Kurtz was great

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Gerard on Mon Dec 12 22:41:21 2022
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:37:26 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:
    Hurwitz was very enthousiastic lately about Slatikn's recording of Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake. It appears to be his favorite recording.
    Do other people here share that enthousiasm? And how about Slatkin's recordings of Sleeping Beauty and The Nutcracker?

    Among the most expensive records sold at DISCOG last month was Ansermet's "Royal Ballet Gala Performances":

    https://www.discogs.com/digs/collecting/most-expensive-items-sold-on-discogs-november-2022/?utm_source=Homepage&utm_medium=Discogs&utm_campaign=Collecting_2022_12_09

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Gerard on Wed Dec 14 14:37:07 2022
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:37:26 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:

    Hurwitz was very enthousiastic lately about Slatikn's recording of Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake. It appears to be his favorite recording.
    Do other people here share that enthousiasm? And how about
    Slatkin's recordings of Sleeping Beauty and The Nutcracker?

    Which part(s) is Slatkin dancing?

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Herman on Wed Dec 14 14:38:09 2022
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:51:40 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:

    another guy says Swan Lake is really glorified
    marching band music ("Hoempa" in Dutch).

    Precisely! ;-)

    It's not like it's that hard to perform.

    It is much harder to dance.

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Gerard on Thu Dec 15 03:37:58 2022
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:37:26 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:
    Hurwitz was very enthousiastic lately about Slatikn's recording of Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake. It appears to be his favorite recording.
    Do other people here share that enthousiasm? And how about Slatkin's recordings of Sleeping Beauty and The Nutcracker?

    What is the reason Slatkin battles withTchaikovsky?

    dk

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Gerard on Thu Dec 15 09:29:44 2022
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:37:26 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:
    Hurwitz was very enthousiastic lately about Slatikn's recording of Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake. It appears to be his favorite recording.
    Do other people here share that enthousiasm? And how about Slatkin's recordings of Sleeping Beauty and The Nutcracker?

    Didn't Reiner record a Nutcracker highlights album?

    And didn't Monteux record a Swan Lake highlights album and a Sleeping Beauty highlights album?

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Gerard on Thu Dec 15 09:33:09 2022
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:37:26 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:
    Hurwitz was very enthousiastic lately about Slatikn's recording of Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake. It appears to be his favorite recording.
    Do other people here share that enthousiasm? And how about Slatkin's recordings of Sleeping Beauty and The Nutcracker?

    http://www.classicalmusicguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=37557

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  • From Gerard@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 15 19:28:42 2022
    Op 2022-12-15 om 18:29 schreef gggg gggg:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:37:26 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:
    Hurwitz was very enthousiastic lately about Slatikn's recording of
    Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake. It appears to be his favorite recording.
    Do other people here share that enthousiasm? And how about Slatkin's
    recordings of Sleeping Beauty and The Nutcracker?

    Didn't Reiner record a Nutcracker highlights album?

    And didn't Monteux record a Swan Lake highlights album and a Sleeping Beauty highlights album?

    Yes.

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  • From MELMOTH@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 15 20:02:41 2022
    Il se trouve que Gerard a formul :
    And didn't Monteux record a Swan Lake highlights album and a Sleeping
    Beauty highlights album?

    La Belle au bois dormant (extraits) opus 66
    3/6 et 13 juin 1957 - LSO
    * CD : Decca
    * LP : RCA Victor LSC 2177 (p 1958) / Decca 592 016 (p 1981)

    Le Lac des Cygnes (extraits) opus 20
    Monteux, 1957 (Emi "Grands Chefs du XXe sicle" CZS 5 75477 2)

    [1] Londres, Hinksway Hall, juin 1957 - LSO
    * CD : Emi "Grands Chefs du XXe sicle" CZS 5 75477 2 (p 2003)

    Monteux, 1957 (Philips Philips 6768 339 - coffret 6 LP)

    [2] Londres, 28/29 juin 1962 - LSO
    * CD : Philips "The Early Years" 442 546-2 (p 1994) / 426 975-2 (p 1991 partiel)
    * LP : Philips (p 1963) / 835 142 / 839 812 / 6768 339 (p 1982 -
    coffret)
    Violon solo : Hugh Maguire
    7 Rpertoire n 74

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to Gerard on Thu Dec 15 10:59:18 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:28:46 PM UTC+1, Gerard wrote:
    Op 2022-12-15 om 18:29 schreef gggg gggg:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:37:26 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:
    Hurwitz was very enthousiastic lately about Slatikn's recording of
    Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake. It appears to be his favorite recording.
    Do other people here share that enthousiasm? And how about Slatkin's
    recordings of Sleeping Beauty and The Nutcracker?

    Didn't Reiner record a Nutcracker highlights album?

    And didn't Monteux record a Swan Lake highlights album and a Sleeping Beauty highlights album?
    Yes.

    Pretty much every single recorded conductor made Tchaikovsky ballet albums. Even Karajan did.

    I'm not suggesting they did it for the money... They just wanted to spread happiness...

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Herman on Thu Dec 15 12:23:37 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 10:59:21 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:28:46 PM UTC+1, Gerard wrote:
    Op 2022-12-15 om 18:29 schreef gggg gggg:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:37:26 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:
    Hurwitz was very enthousiastic lately about Slatikn's recording of
    Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake. It appears to be his favorite recording.
    Do other people here share that enthousiasm? And how about Slatkin's
    recordings of Sleeping Beauty and The Nutcracker?

    Didn't Reiner record a Nutcracker highlights album?

    And didn't Monteux record a Swan Lake highlights album and a Sleeping Beauty highlights album?
    Yes.
    Pretty much every single recorded conductor made Tchaikovsky ballet albums. Even Karajan did.

    I'm not suggesting they did it for the money... They just wanted to spread happiness...

    On a par with baroque and HIP harpsichordists? ;-)

    dk

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to MELMOTH on Thu Dec 15 12:24:33 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 11:02:45 AM UTC-8, MELMOTH wrote:
    Il se trouve que Gerard a formulé :
    And didn't Monteux record a Swan Lake highlights album and a Sleeping
    Beauty highlights album?
    La Belle au bois dormant (extraits) · opus 66
    ø 3/6 et 13 juin 1957 - LSO
    * CD : Decca
    * LP : RCA Victor LSC 2177 (p 1958) / Decca 592 016 (p 1981)

    Le Lac des Cygnes (extraits) · opus 20
    Monteux, 1957 (Emi "Grands Chefs du XXe siècle" CZS 5 75477 2)

    [1] ø Londres, Hinksway Hall, juin 1957 - LSO
    * CD : Emi "Grands Chefs du XXe siècle" CZS 5 75477 2 (p 2003)

    Monteux, 1957 (Philips Philips 6768 339 - coffret 6 LP)

    [2] ø Londres, 28/29 juin 1962 - LSO
    * CD : Philips "The Early Years" 442 546-2 (p 1994) / 426 975-2 (p 1991 partiel)
    * LP : Philips (p 1963) / 835 142 / 839 812 / 6768 339 (p 1982 -
    coffret)
    Violon solo : Hugh Maguire
    7 Répertoire n° 74

    Why don't you post a few sound clips? Reading the
    LP numbers doesn't help anyone hear the works.

    dk

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Thu Dec 15 12:44:15 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:29:47 AM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:37:26 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:
    Hurwitz was very enthousiastic lately about Slatikn's recording of Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake. It appears to be his favorite recording.
    Do other people here share that enthousiasm? And how about Slatkin's recordings of Sleeping Beauty and The Nutcracker?
    Didn't Reiner record a Nutcracker highlights album?

    And didn't Monteux record a Swan Lake highlights album and a Sleeping Beauty highlights album?

    And didn't Monteux's Sleeping B. originally come out as a Living Stereo LSC- lp but subsequently as a Victrola lp AND as a London Stereo Treasury lp?

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Thu Dec 15 12:50:17 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:23:40 PM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 10:59:21 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:


    I'm not suggesting they did it for the money... They just wanted to spread happiness...
    On a par with baroque and HIP harpsichordists? ;-)

    dk

    Try to think before typing and spreading your ignorance...
    HIP Baroque is a niche market for the birckenstock folks.
    Not a profit generator, as everything Tchaikovsky is, especially 'fun' works like ballet suites.

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  • From Gerard@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 15 21:54:43 2022
    Op 2022-12-15 om 19:59 schreef Herman:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:28:46 PM UTC+1, Gerard wrote:
    Op 2022-12-15 om 18:29 schreef gggg gggg:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:37:26 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:
    Hurwitz was very enthousiastic lately about Slatikn's recording of
    Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake. It appears to be his favorite recording.
    Do other people here share that enthousiasm? And how about Slatkin's
    recordings of Sleeping Beauty and The Nutcracker?

    Didn't Reiner record a Nutcracker highlights album?

    And didn't Monteux record a Swan Lake highlights album and a Sleeping Beauty highlights album?
    Yes.

    Pretty much every single recorded conductor made Tchaikovsky ballet albums. Even Karajan did.


    Karajan did so more than once. His suites for Decca, with the VPO, are
    quite good. According to what I read here about Slatkin's recordings,
    Karajan really is to be preferred.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Herman on Thu Dec 15 13:21:34 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 12:50:21 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:23:40 PM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 10:59:21 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:

    I'm not suggesting they did it for the money...
    They just wanted to spread happiness...

    On a par with baroque and HIP harpsichordists? ;-)

    Try to think before typing and spreading your ignorance...
    HIP Baroque is a niche market for the birckenstock folks.
    Not a profit generator, as everything Tchaikovsky is,
    especially 'fun' works like ballet suites.

    Try to read and parse before you reply. I was
    clearly referring to "spreading happiness",
    not to making money -- just as you did.

    You proove again and again you are an
    ignorant, illiterate, brainfucked imbecile.

    dk

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 12 21:15:33 2023
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 1:46:03 PM UTC-8, wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:37:26 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:
    Hurwitz was very enthousiastic lately about Slatikn's recording of Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake. It appears to be his favorite recording.
    Do other people here share that enthousiasm? And how about Slatkin's recordings of Sleeping Beauty and The Nutcracker?
    Any reactions to Efrem Kurtz's recordings?

    https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=%22You+simply+haven%27t+heard+Tchaikovsky%27s+ballets+until+you%27ve+heard+Kurtz%22

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