• WAYLTL - December 2022

    From Gerard@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 4 20:36:10 2022
    Brescianello: 3 violin concertos, 3 sinphonias and one ouverture-suite.
    By La Serenissima and Adrian Chandler (on signum classics).

    Chandler's music making is relatively easy-going and not as captivating
    as Chauvin's or Carmignola's in Vivaldi.
    The music itself also is not as captivating as Vivaldi's. It is nice and agreeable
    On the other hand his programming brings more variety per disk than the
    more usual recordings of baroque concertos.

    (The title of this issue - and the text on the spine - is not very
    helpful. "Behind closed doors". It was "inspired" by the situation
    during the coronavirus lock down in 2020.)

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 4 12:54:07 2022
    I don't know what's going on (brain damage?), but I listened to Rachmaninoff PC 2, Anna Fedorova's 2013 performance in the Concertgebouw, with a mediocre visiting German orchestra. I just wanted to hear one bit and wound up listening to the whole dang
    thing (including an awful flute solo at the beginning of mvt 2, sooo relieved the upper strings take care of that melody in the reprise).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEGOihjqO9w&t=401s

    I couldn't help but notice this concert has been watched 36 million times. Hopefully AF is getting royalties for this.

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 4 12:41:10 2022
    I don't know what's going on, but I listened to Rachmaninoff PC 2, Anna Fedorova's 2013 performance in the Concertgebouw, with a visiting German orchestra. I just wanted to hear one bit and wound up listening to the whole dang thing (including the awful
    flute solo at the beginning of mvt 2).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEGOihjqO9w&t=401s

    I couldn't help but notice this concert has been watched 36 million times. Hopefully AF is getting royalties for this.

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 4 13:20:44 2022
    Definitely brain damaged. After Fedorova I listened to another entire performance of the Rach 2, by Evgeni Kissin and the Radio France Orch.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Herman on Sun Dec 4 14:36:24 2022
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 1:20:47 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:

    Definitely brain damaged. After Fedorova I listened to
    another entire performance of the Rach 2, by Evgeni
    Kissin and the Radio France Orch.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guxWcTARtwQ&t=34s

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to Herman on Sun Dec 4 15:09:03 2022
    On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 21:20:47 UTC, Herman wrote:
    Definitely brain damaged. After Fedorova I listened to another entire performance of the Rach 2, by Evgeni Kissin and the Radio France Orch.


    You think you're brain damaged...... I listen a lot to Garage music, the kind they played at raves where everyone got brainless on drugs and danced in a trance-like state for hours. I never actually went to a rave, so it's a way of vicariously attending
    one. Of course I'm very discerning about the tracks I listen to..... I mean, one has standards....

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  • From Oscar@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Sun Dec 4 15:19:57 2022
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 3:09:06 PM, Andy Evans wrote:

    Definitely brain damaged.

    From age 18-20 all I listened to was death metal, and I later worked at a death metal label. I still love a lot of it. A time and a place. P.S. One of the artists on the label was among the first people arrested in the Jan. 6 rebellion.

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Gerard on Sun Dec 4 16:41:52 2022
    On 2022-12-04 12:36 p.m., Gerard wrote:

    Brescianello: 3 violin concertos, 3 sinphonias and one ouverture-suite.
    By La Serenissima and Adrian Chandler (on signum classics).

    Chandler's music making is relatively easy-going and not as captivating
    as Chauvin's or Carmignola's in Vivaldi.
    The music itself also is not as captivating as Vivaldi's. It is nice and agreeable
    On the other hand his programming brings more variety per disk than the
    more usual recordings of baroque concertos.

    (The title of this issue - and the text on the spine - is not very
    helpful. "Behind closed doors". It was "inspired" by the situation
    during the coronavirus lock down in 2020.)



    Yuja Wang "The Berlin Recital", borrowed from the public library.
    I'm glad I didn't buy this CD or attend the recital. Despite the glowing reviews, her playing left me cold.

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  • From Todd M. McComb@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 5 00:49:03 2022
    I'm continuing to listen to some of the late work of Roberto Gerhard,
    as suggested by Nestor (who promptly vanished...) over in the Xenakis thread.... (Alas, still nothing new by Xenakis to report.)

    As noted there, I've enjoyed the chamber album on Neos from Collegium
    Novum Zurich, as well as the 4th Symphony on Lyrita (conducted by
    Colin Davis)....

    But hardly anyone here enjoys dodecaphonic music I guess....

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Todd M. McComb on Sun Dec 4 17:16:45 2022
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 4:49:07 PM UTC-8, Todd M. McComb wrote:

    But hardly anyone here enjoys
    dodecaphonic music I guess....

    12 tones are a bit too much to digest
    at a time, don't you think?

    One can always start with 5 tones and
    keep adding until one finds the best
    match for one's ears. ;-)

    For starters:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlUoaXXG_YY

    dk

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  • From Lawrence Kart@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Sun Dec 4 17:50:35 2022
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:16:48 PM UTC-6, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 4:49:07 PM UTC-8, Todd M. McComb wrote:

    But hardly anyone here enjoys
    dodecaphonic music I guess....
    12 tones are a bit too much to digest
    at a time, don't you think?

    One can always start with 5 tones and
    keep adding until one finds the best
    match for one's ears. ;-)

    For starters:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlUoaXXG_YY

    dk

    Perhaps because I was introduced to it in high school by a friend who played a good deal of Schoenberg (and some Webern) on the piano, dodecaphonic music makes sense/doesn't sound alien to me. Listening in the mid-1950s to some of Robert Craft's
    recordings of that music, particularly Berg's Altenberg Lieder with Bethany Beardslee, opened more doors. On the other hand, I usually have no trouble, or so I tell myself, distinguishing gems from dross in that repertoire.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to ljk...@aol.com on Sun Dec 4 19:52:09 2022
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 5:50:37 PM UTC-8, ljk...@aol.com wrote:
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:16:48 PM UTC-6, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 4:49:07 PM UTC-8, Todd M. McComb wrote:

    But hardly anyone here enjoys
    dodecaphonic music I guess....
    12 tones are a bit too much to digest
    at a time, don't you think?

    One can always start with 5 tones and
    keep adding until one finds the best
    match for one's ears. ;-)

    For starters:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlUoaXXG_YY

    Perhaps because I was introduced to it in high school
    by a friend who played a good deal of Schoenberg (and
    some Webern) on the piano, dodecaphonic music makes
    sense/doesn't sound alien to me. Listening in the mid-1950s
    to some of Robert Craft's recordings of that music, particularly
    Berg's Altenberg Lieder with Bethany Beardslee, opened more
    doors. On the other hand, I usually have no trouble, or so I tell
    myself, distinguishing gems from dross in that repertoire.

    What makes music (or not) to my ears is not the number of
    tones or the formal structure -- it is memorable expression
    and emotion. Here is an example of a great masterpiece
    that does not rely on a formal western tonal system:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQODHMlwg1w

    dk

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 5 12:49:52 2022
    Gustav Leonhardt, Bach WTC book 2, 9-12

    I'm a great fan of the f minor P&F

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  • From number_six@21:1/5 to Herman on Mon Dec 5 16:05:26 2022
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:49:56 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
    Gustav Leonhardt, Bach WTC book 2, 9-12

    I'm a great fan of the f minor P&F

    Just bought Alto box of Harnoncourt /Concentus Musicus Vienna =
    Complete Vanguard and MHS recordings

    Charlie Byrd - Byrdland /More Brazilian Byrd (Collectables)

    La India de Oriente con el Trio la Rosa -
    Yo fui la Callejera (Tumbao)

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  • From number_six@21:1/5 to dan. on Mon Dec 5 15:52:40 2022
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:52:12 PM UTC-8, dan. wrote

    What makes music (or not) to my ears is not the number of
    tones or the formal structure -- it is memorable expression
    and emotion. Here is an example of a great masterpiece
    that does not rely on a formal western tonal system:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQODHMlwg1w

    dk
    Yes, a superb score, atmospheric and unforgettable.
    I think hearing Jefferson Airplane's Chushingura as a kid helped prepare me to appreciate it.

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  • From Todd M. McComb@21:1/5 to ljkart@aol.com on Tue Dec 6 02:05:48 2022
    In article <5781352e-4559-4a19-a281-4219e34676ffn@googlegroups.com>,
    Lawrence Kart <ljkart@aol.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 4:49:07 PM UTC-8, Todd M. McComb wrote:
    But hardly anyone here enjoys dodecaphonic music I guess....

    Perhaps because I was introduced to it in high school by a friend who
    played a good deal of Schoenberg (and some Webern) on the piano,
    dodecaphonic music makes sense/doesn't sound alien to me. Listening in
    the mid-1950s to some of Robert Craft's recordings of that music, >particularly Berg's Altenberg Lieder with Bethany Beardslee, opened more >doors. On the other hand, I usually have no trouble, or so I tell
    myself, distinguishing gems from dross in that repertoire.

    Well, I can only go by what people discuss here....

    The quality of performance of this music seems to have improved
    markedly since the 1990s, particularly in ensemble, such that
    secondary composers such as Gerhard (whom I'd mentioned above...)
    come off much better. So it would probably be interesting to revisit
    more dodecaphonic music from the 60s & 70s.

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 5 17:34:37 2022
    On Tuesday, 6 December 2022 at 11:05:29 UTC+11, number_six wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:49:56 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
    Gustav Leonhardt, Bach WTC book 2, 9-12

    I'm a great fan of the f minor P&F
    Just bought Alto box of Harnoncourt /Concentus Musicus Vienna =
    Complete Vanguard and MHS recordings

    Charlie Byrd - Byrdland /More Brazilian Byrd (Collectables)

    La India de Oriente con el Trio la Rosa -
    Yo fui la Callejera (Tumbao)

    Am in a Dave Brubeck phase, mainly because of the clunky cool style, and because of Paul Desmond on sax. His playing is somewhat similar to another one of my favourite sax players, who typifies the essence of cool jazz, Lee Konitz.

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Todd M. McComb on Mon Dec 5 18:39:35 2022
    On Tuesday, 6 December 2022 at 13:05:53 UTC+11, Todd M. McComb wrote:
    In article <5781352e-4559-4a19...googlegroups.com>,
    Lawrence Kart <ljk...aol.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 4:49:07 PM UTC-8, Todd M. McComb wrote:
    But hardly anyone here enjoys dodecaphonic music I guess....
    Perhaps because I was introduced to it in high school by a friend who >played a good deal of Schoenberg (and some Webern) on the piano, >dodecaphonic music makes sense/doesn't sound alien to me. Listening in
    the mid-1950s to some of Robert Craft's recordings of that music, >particularly Berg's Altenberg Lieder with Bethany Beardslee, opened more >doors. On the other hand, I usually have no trouble, or so I tell
    myself, distinguishing gems from dross in that repertoire.
    Well, I can only go by what people discuss here....

    The quality of performance of this music seems to have improved
    markedly since the 1990s, particularly in ensemble, such that
    secondary composers such as Gerhard (whom I'd mentioned above...)
    come off much better. So it would probably be interesting to revisit
    more dodecaphonic music from the 60s & 70s.

    Benjamin Frankel wrote 8 interesting symphonies, on CPO, and I think he blends 12 tone techniques with a fair degree of approachabiilty. Well worth checking out, and not that far removed from Gerhard time-wise. More akin to Berg than Schoenberg.

    Werner Albert/Queensland SO recorded all 8 symphonies and a few overtures on 4 cds, produced as a set or individually. Frankel also worked as a film composer (Curse of the Werewolf), (battle of the Bulge), etc.

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From Andrew Clarke@21:1/5 to Gerard on Mon Dec 5 21:01:06 2022
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 6:36:17 AM UTC+11, Gerard wrote:
    Brescianello: 3 violin concertos, 3 sinphonias and one ouverture-suite.
    By La Serenissima and Adrian Chandler (on signum classics).

    One of the benefits of Digital Dotage is that things pop up that one didn't know about. You Tube recently offered me this gem:

    Musiques pour la Sainte Chapelle

    Choir & orchestra: Les Arts Florissants
    Musical direction: William Christie

    Marc Antoine CHARPENTIER:
    Magnificat H.77
    Pange lingua H.61
    Litanies Ă  la Vierge H.83
    Te Deum H.146

    < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLN42KI5ErU&t=3493s >

    I do like the cheerful plump soprano on the far left, who is clearly enjoying life. I'm sure there's a part for a French Baroque milkmaid for her somewhere, probably by Lully or Boismortier.

    Andrew Clarke
    Canberra

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  • From Todd M. McComb@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 6 23:03:44 2022
    The latest from contemporary saxophone quartet, Konus Quartett,
    here in a composition by Klaus Lang:

    https://konusquartett.bandcamp.com/album/drei-allmenden

    Lang has music out on a variety of labels lately (e.g. Hat Hut,
    Another Timbre), but I'm noting this in part for the remarks he
    includes with this release (produced by Christian Kobi in Bern):

    "Over the course of music history scores have become increasingly
    prescriptive. The greater the composer's ego, the more they/he saw themself/himself in the role of the artistic genius, and the more
    counterpoint was replaced by emotional expression, the more detailed
    the scores became. All aspects of the music and its execution should
    be precisely determined by the brilliant composer and specified
    with the utmost completeness in the score. At the same time, the
    until then natural collaborative unity of musician and composer was
    slowly dissolved and with the Nazi prohibition of 'degenerate' music
    in the 20th century, the connection between composer and interpreter
    on the one hand completely cut and, on the other, a canon created
    that has been going in circles, remaining unchanged for 70 years.
    By banishing living composers from mainstream musical life into
    small niches, the relics of dead composers, namely their scores,
    have become objects of quasi cult-like veneration within the operation
    of major concert halls, opera houses and conservatoria. The
    introduction, transfer and application of the Protestant principle
    'sola scriptura' from religion to music has led to phenomena such
    as historical performance practice and the Urtext edition: the
    scores were canonised, so to speak, with musicians thereby resembling
    priests and theologians. But is a score really the music? Where is
    the music? Is it in the composer's mind? Is it in the score, in the
    concert space or in the mind of the listener? With all this in mind,
    the music resulting from the collaboration with the Konus Saxophone
    Quartet, as well as other works of mine, are more closely related
    to the scores of the 16th and 17th centuries: many of these scores
    are very simple and clear, but they demand musicians who, through
    their powers of diminution and figuration in performance give the
    notated framework a certain sonic shine or are able to conjure up
    a susurrant soundscape using only a few instances of figured bass
    notation. However it must be noted that the more clearly formed and
    organised the fundamental structure, the more freedom there is for
    the player at any given moment in performance."
    Klaus Lang, 2020

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  • From Al Eisner@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 6 16:01:15 2022
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    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    Handel's Rinaldo, on Harmonia Mundi, with René Jacobs, the Freibuger Barockorchester, and a cast of singers all unknown to me. Wonderful
    music, and a terrific lively instruental performance. I would in
    particular commend the enthusiastic percussionist. The one off-note
    (and it might be just that I am not sufficiently into the style) is
    the relative softness of several virtuoso solo-harpsichord passages,
    such as the lengthy one for the accompanied recitative ending Act 2.

    The singers are all really into the style, albeit with a few making
    an occasional "ugly" sound. What I found most difficult, expecially in
    all the multi-singer recitatives, was the dominance of high voices in
    rather similar ranges. (A video could have clarified this, although
    I think I gradually mostly figured out who was singing.) Most puzzling
    was that the program booklet listed the Goffredo as a tenor, yet he
    had a voice that was usually higher than the countertenor singing
    Eustazio, who in turn was often at a lower pitch than the mezzo Rinaldo. However, the whole performance is on youtube, where the Goffredo is
    listed as another countertenor - that makes more sense, and he (Lawrenee
    Zazzo) was a good one. The excellent sopranos were Inga Kalna and
    Miah Persson, while Vivica Genaux made a fine Rinaldo. Recorded 2002 (?).
    --
    Al Eisner

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  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 7 03:56:40 2022
    2 CDs of French music:

    Daquin - 12 Noels- E. Power Biggs - Obtained through Haydn House, this gem was never made available on CD. Mr. -Paquin has done a beautiful job in transferring it to CD - sounds wonderful - the recording is 60 years old - sounds like it could have been
    recorded yesterday.

    Debussy - Images, Estampes, Children’s Corner, Others (Steven Osborne) Hyperion - Again, superb playing. Mr. Osborne is a great colorist - beautiful Steinway and wonderful engineering by Hyperion. I would place this Images and Children’s Corner
    along side Michelangeli’s legendary, more objective take on these pieces. Wouldn’t want to be without either one.

    When Steven Osborne’s Debussy Etude recording is released, he will have recorded all of the major Debussy works.

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 7 04:52:44 2022
    Op woensdag 7 december 2022 om 12:56:43 UTC+1 schreef JohnGavin:
    even Osborne’s Debussy Etude recording is released, he will have recorded all of the major Debussy works.

    Thanks! I'm looking forward to his version of the etudes.

    Henk

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  • From sci.space@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Wed Dec 7 05:26:15 2022
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 6:56:43 AM UTC-5, JohnGavin wrote:
    2 CDs of French music:

    Daquin - 12 Noels- E. Power Biggs - Obtained through Haydn House, this gem was never made available on CD. Mr. -Paquin has done a beautiful job in transferring it to CD - sounds wonderful - the recording is 60 years old - sounds like it could have been
    recorded yesterday.

    Thoroughly agree with the Biggs performances but disagree with the CD transfer quality. It has flutter that drives me nuts., keep hearing wavering wolf tones. I have both mono and stereo versions of the LPs and they sound much better. This was one of
    the earliest recordings on the Flentrop organ, think the first was Biggs' Sweelinck recording which is a gem.

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 8 12:51:19 2022
    Haydn keyboard sonata in A flat major, XVI-46
    Bavouzet and Sv. Richter.
    The D flat major adagio in this sonata never ceases to amaze me - the moonlit key.

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Gerard on Thu Dec 8 19:29:01 2022
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:36:17 AM UTC-8, Gerard wrote:
    Brescianello: 3 violin concertos, 3 sinphonias and one ouverture-suite.
    By La Serenissima and Adrian Chandler (on signum classics).

    Chandler's music making is relatively easy-going and not as captivating
    as Chauvin's or Carmignola's in Vivaldi.
    The music itself also is not as captivating as Vivaldi's. It is nice and agreeable
    On the other hand his programming brings more variety per disk than the
    more usual recordings of baroque concertos.

    (The title of this issue - and the text on the spine - is not very
    helpful. "Behind closed doors". It was "inspired" by the situation
    during the coronavirus lock down in 2020.)

    Whenever I hear Tosti's LA SERENATA, the following comes to mind:

    (Y. upload):

    "Irene Dunne,1937,"La Serenata". Cenas cinema com Cary Grant"

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to Herman on Fri Dec 9 02:45:24 2022
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 9:51:22 PM UTC+1, Herman wrote:
    Haydn keyboard sonata in A flat major, XVI-46
    Bavouzet and Sv. Richter.
    The D flat major adagio in this sonata never ceases to amaze me - the moonlit key.

    This is the opening piece in a recital in the 1992 Oleg Kagan Musikfest, held in a quaint 500 seat hall in the Bavarian Alps. The Schliersee Farmer's Theatre was built in the late 19th C for amateur performances.

    Even in such a smallish hall the Haydn sounds like an acrobatic feat, holding the attention with just simple, long lines.

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  • From Notsure01@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 9 21:38:34 2022
    I've been trawling my CD collection for works that are - to me at least
    - not mainstream. One work that I found absolutely fascinating years ago
    is Messiaen's Quartet for the End of Time. But despite my appreciation,
    I hadn't listened to it for years.

    I had the P.Serkin Tashi version, but this time I chose the Warner album
    which includes the Turangalîla Symphony: https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7964671--messiaen-turangalila-symphony

    I'm not sure whether my tastes have changed (matured(*)?) or it is just
    a better performance, but the Quatuor is now one of my (many) favourite
    works!

    The performers on this version include Yvonne Loriod, Wolfgang Meyer,
    Christoph Poppen and a work of Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau that I do
    appreciate: his son Manuel Fischer-Dieskau.

    What added to my enjoyment was a video lecture which analyzed the work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaNH6wuQmlM

    Most folks at RMCR are more sophisticated than I, but if there is anyone
    here with an aversion to "modern music" they should definitely listen to
    this piece.

    *(I apologize for my cheap shot about DFD. As the saying goes: "You are
    only young once, but can be immature forever".)

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 10 01:08:58 2022
    On Saturday, 10 December 2022 at 02:38:39 UTC, Notsure01 wrote:
    I've been trawling my CD collection for works that are - to me at least
    - not mainstream. One work that I found absolutely fascinating years ago
    is Messiaen's Quartet for the End of Time. But despite my appreciation,
    I hadn't listened to it for years.

    I like Messiaen too. But for me it's La Nativite and 20 Regards.

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  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Sat Dec 10 01:48:26 2022
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 4:09:01 AM UTC-5, Andy Evans wrote:
    On Saturday, 10 December 2022 at 02:38:39 UTC, Notsure01 wrote:
    I've been trawling my CD collection for works that are - to me at least
    - not mainstream. One work that I found absolutely fascinating years ago is Messiaen's Quartet for the End of Time. But despite my appreciation,
    I hadn't listened to it for years.
    I like Messiaen too. But for me it's La Nativite and 20 Regards.

    Those are my top 2 Messiaen favorites as well. Also L’Ascension and occasionally the Tarangalila Symphony. Slowly getting into Messe de La Pentecost for organ.

    I would say that Messiaen is the 20th century composer who interests me the most.

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  • From Peter@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Sat Dec 10 15:07:54 2022
    My favorite Messiaen? 20 Regards is wonderful, but I think at the top of my list is the Catalogue. Talk about an ideal balance between nature and culture.... And while Saint François has some less interesting stretches, there are others with some of
    the most ecstatic music ever penned. And of course the Quatuor.

    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 1:48:29 AM UTC-8, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 4:09:01 AM UTC-5, Andy Evans wrote:
    On Saturday, 10 December 2022 at 02:38:39 UTC, Notsure01 wrote:
    I've been trawling my CD collection for works that are - to me at least - not mainstream. One work that I found absolutely fascinating years ago is Messiaen's Quartet for the End of Time. But despite my appreciation, I hadn't listened to it for years.
    I like Messiaen too. But for me it's La Nativite and 20 Regards.
    Those are my top 2 Messiaen favorites as well. Also L’Ascension and occasionally the Tarangalila Symphony. Slowly getting into Messe de La Pentecost for organ.

    I would say that Messiaen is the 20th century composer who interests me the most.

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  • From number_six@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Sun Dec 11 20:51:51 2022
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 1:48:29 AM UTC-8, JohnGavin wrote:
    I would say that Messiaen is the 20th century composer who interests me the most.

    An intriguing statement -- not because Messiaen is anything less than a master, but because of the depth and quality of the field.

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  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 11 23:58:03 2022
    On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 11:51:54 PM UTC-5, number_six wrote:
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 1:48:29 AM UTC-8, JohnGavin wrote:
    I would say that Messiaen is the 20th century composer who interests me the most.
    An intriguing statement -- not because Messiaen is anything less than a master, but because of the depth and quality of the field.

    It’s not because Messiaen is a greater genius than Stravinsky, Bartok or others, but because he is the most centered on mysticism and spirituality in a captivating way.

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  • From Todd M. McComb@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 12 23:48:39 2022
    4 albums of medieval music (generally earlier repertory than I spend
    a lot of time on these days...), by Ensemble Labyrinthus in Russia,
    available at "name your price" on Bandcamp:

    https://labyrinthus.bandcamp.com/

    I was surprised by how nicely executed these are... very well sung
    (although that shouldn't be a surprise seeing the participation of
    Marc Mauillon...), idiomatic, colorful.

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  • From Notsure01@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 12 20:59:05 2022
    As a change of pace after Scriabin and Messiaen I've been listening to
    some uncommon Beethoven - the ballet "Creatures of Prometheus." Although
    it is a relatively early work, it is from the time of the first two
    symphonies and although uneven, I found it to be very enjoyable.

    I got to know the work from a Columbia LP of Louis Lane with the
    Cleveland Orchestra and it is a fine performance. I also listened to the version from the Orpheus Chamber Orchestra which was even a bit more lively.

    The Lane performance seems to be unavailable now, but was once in any
    early Sony box of Szell's Beethoven. The Orpheus is available separately
    but is also included in an inexpensive jumbo download collection of
    music for the stage: https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8701869--beethoven-2020-works-for-the-stage-2

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 12 19:41:00 2022
    On Tuesday, 13 December 2022 at 12:59:10 UTC+11, Notsure01 wrote:
    As a change of pace after Scriabin and Messiaen I've been listening to
    some uncommon Beethoven - the ballet "Creatures of Prometheus." Although
    it is a relatively early work, it is from the time of the first two symphonies and although uneven, I found it to be very enjoyable.

    I got to know the work from a Columbia LP of Louis Lane with the
    Cleveland Orchestra and it is a fine performance. I also listened to the version from the Orpheus Chamber Orchestra which was even a bit more lively.

    The Lane performance seems to be unavailable now, but was once in any
    early Sony box of Szell's Beethoven. The Orpheus is available separately
    but is also included in an inexpensive jumbo download collection of
    music for the stage: https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8701869--beethoven-2020-works-for-the-stage-2

    The Szell/Cleveland collection of the LvB overtures, with the three Leonores included, was on an LP I once possessed, and was a great collection. Also had Creatures included. Orchestrally, I have to say I preferred this collection far more than any
    collection of his symphonies. It is on CD but now at black market type prices. They can whistle for it.

    In truth the Szell symphonies are fine too, marred only by the typical close up CBS sound. Strong, direct, and non-fussy readings from Szell.

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to raymond....@gmail.com on Mon Dec 12 23:20:32 2022
    On 12/12/2022 10:41 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, 13 December 2022 at 12:59:10 UTC+11, Notsure01 wrote:
    As a change of pace after Scriabin and Messiaen I've been listening to
    some uncommon Beethoven - the ballet "Creatures of Prometheus." Although
    it is a relatively early work, it is from the time of the first two
    symphonies and although uneven, I found it to be very enjoyable.

    I got to know the work from a Columbia LP of Louis Lane with the
    Cleveland Orchestra and it is a fine performance. I also listened to the
    version from the Orpheus Chamber Orchestra which was even a bit more lively. >>
    The Lane performance seems to be unavailable now, but was once in any
    early Sony box of Szell's Beethoven. The Orpheus is available separately
    but is also included in an inexpensive jumbo download collection of
    music for the stage:
    https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8701869--beethoven-2020-works-for-the-stage-2

    The Szell/Cleveland collection of the LvB overtures, with the three Leonores included, was on an LP I once possessed, and was a great collection. Also had Creatures included. Orchestrally, I have to say I preferred this collection far more than any
    collection of his symphonies. It is on CD but now at black market type prices. They can whistle for it.

    In truth the Szell symphonies are fine too, marred only by the typical close up CBS sound. Strong, direct, and non-fussy readings from Szell.

    Ray Hall, Taree

    Are you sure the Creatures wasn't conducted by Louis Lane?

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  • From Al Eisner@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 12 21:39:50 2022
    Magnus Lindberg: EXPO, Piano Concerto #2, Al Largo (all composed between
    2009 and 2012) on Dacapo. With Alan Gilbert, NYPO, Yefim Bronfman (piano). Program notes by Ilkka Oramo go into considerable detail on the evolution
    and components of Lindberg's music, generally intelligible, which does
    not necessarily mean I can relate them to what I gather on first hearing. Overall, instrumentation and sonority are highly varied, and all of the
    works are easy to listen to.

    EXPO is a celebratory work which opened Gilbert's tenure at the NYPO, and
    is quite attractive. The concerto is also attractive with a very
    active piano part (even a cadenza in the last movement), performed
    impressively by Bronfman. Oramo labels it as "crypto-Ravelian" (influenced
    by the latter's left-hand concerto). I think it deserves a second
    hearing. Lastly, the atmospheric "Al largo", said by the composer to
    depict the open sea, is the most coherent of the works, and aay well
    be a genuine masterpiece. The CD is available at Berkshire, and is well
    worth the price. I intend to investigate more of Lindberg's work.
    (Much of it is on Ondine, currently on a discount at Presto.)
    --
    Al Eisner

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  • From Lawrence Chalmers@21:1/5 to Al Eisner on Wed Dec 14 12:46:24 2022
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 9:40:01 PM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
    Magnus Lindberg: EXPO, Piano Concerto #2, Al Largo (all composed between
    2009 and 2012) on Dacapo. With Alan Gilbert, NYPO, Yefim Bronfman (piano). Program notes by Ilkka Oramo go into considerable detail on the evolution
    and components of Lindberg's music, generally intelligible, which does
    not necessarily mean I can relate them to what I gather on first hearing. Overall, instrumentation and sonority are highly varied, and all of the
    works are easy to listen to.

    EXPO is a celebratory work which opened Gilbert's tenure at the NYPO, and
    is quite attractive. The concerto is also attractive with a very
    active piano part (even a cadenza in the last movement), performed impressively by Bronfman. Oramo labels it as "crypto-Ravelian" (influenced
    by the latter's left-hand concerto). I think it deserves a second
    hearing. Lastly, the atmospheric "Al largo", said by the composer to
    depict the open sea, is the most coherent of the works, and aay well
    be a genuine masterpiece. The CD is available at Berkshire, and is well
    worth the price. I intend to investigate more of Lindberg's work.
    (Much of it is on Ondine, currently on a discount at Presto.)
    --
    Al Eisner

    For the past few weeks I've been listening to the music of Schnittke: his piano sonatas, string quartets, piano concertos and lastly his symphonies
    one per day. This because I find them as well as most of his other music very demanding and intense; grim. I am so taken by this man's music, I intend
    to explore his soundtracks and miscellaneous orchestral output. My initial hearing was the cello concerto no. 1 and 2. I have difficulty imagining
    a live concert of his music because of the challenging nature of the music, much of it imo dark.

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  • From Ed Presson@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 14 14:25:40 2022
    "Al Eisner" wrote in message news:alpine.LRH.2.00.2212122108270.11629@iris02.slac.stanford.edu...

    Magnus Lindberg: EXPO, Piano Concerto #2, Al Largo (all composed between
    2009 and 2012) on Dacapo. With Alan Gilbert, NYPO, Yefim Bronfman (piano). Program notes by Ilkka Oramo go into considerable detail on the evolution
    and components of Lindberg's music, generally intelligible, which does
    not necessarily mean I can relate them to what I gather on first hearing. Overall, instrumentation and sonority are highly varied, and all of the
    works are easy to listen to.

    EXPO is a celebratory work which opened Gilbert's tenure at the NYPO, and
    is quite attractive. The concerto is also attractive with a very
    active piano part (even a cadenza in the last movement), performed
    impressively by Bronfman. Oramo labels it as "crypto-Ravelian" (influenced
    by the latter's left-hand concerto). I think it deserves a second
    hearing. Lastly, the atmospheric "Al largo", said by the composer to
    depict the open sea, is the most coherent of the works, and aay well
    be a genuine masterpiece. The CD is available at Berkshire, and is well
    worth the price. I intend to investigate more of Lindberg's work.
    (Much of it is on Ondine, currently on a discount at Presto.)
    --
    Al Eisner _______________________________________________________________

    I concur; I have this CD (which is excellent) and quite a number of others.

    I started years ago with some of his earlier compositions; I admit it took
    me quite a while
    to get the hang of how to listen to his complex work.

    His music has become more "user-friendly" over the past decade or so. I've been impressed
    with much of his output.

    Ed Presson

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  • From Al Eisner@21:1/5 to Ed Presson on Fri Dec 16 16:53:12 2022
    On Wed, 14 Dec 2022, Ed Presson wrote:

    "Al Eisner" wrote in message news:alpine.LRH.2.00.2212122108270.11629@iris02.slac.stanford.edu...

    Magnus Lindberg: EXPO, Piano Concerto #2, Al Largo (all composed between
    2009 and 2012) on Dacapo. With Alan Gilbert, NYPO, Yefim Bronfman (piano). >> Program notes by Ilkka Oramo go into considerable detail on the evolution
    and components of Lindberg's music, generally intelligible, which does
    not necessarily mean I can relate them to what I gather on first hearing.
    Overall, instrumentation and sonority are highly varied, and all of the
    works are easy to listen to.

    EXPO is a celebratory work which opened Gilbert's tenure at the NYPO, and
    is quite attractive. The concerto is also attractive with a very
    active piano part (even a cadenza in the last movement), performed
    impressively by Bronfman. Oramo labels it as "crypto-Ravelian" (influenced >> by the latter's left-hand concerto). I think it deserves a second
    hearing. Lastly, the atmospheric "Al largo", said by the composer to
    depict the open sea, is the most coherent of the works, and aay well
    be a genuine masterpiece. The CD is available at Berkshire, and is well
    worth the price. I intend to investigate more of Lindberg's work.
    (Much of it is on Ondine, currently on a discount at Presto.)

    I concur; I have this CD (which is excellent) and quite a number of others.

    I started years ago with some of his earlier compositions; I admit it took
    me quite a while
    to get the hang of how to listen to his complex work.

    His music has become more "user-friendly" over the past decade or so. I've been impressed
    with much of his output.

    Ed Presson

    I found some of your older posts on this composer in the archives, and especially this interesting discussion you started back in 2009: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.classical.recordings/c/ZlFq1cOjHTA/m/5-BQFtjsVncJ
    (A genuine exchange with useful responses from some long-gone and missed
    rmcr participants.)

    Plus your working through some of his later music, for example https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.classical.recordings/c/O662EsQSwcE/m/-TOsfpeVAAAJ

    These should provide some good ideas, thanks.
    --
    Al Eisner

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  • From Al Eisner@21:1/5 to Lawrence Chalmers on Fri Dec 16 16:20:53 2022
    On Wed, 14 Dec 2022, Lawrence Chalmers wrote:

    For the past few weeks I've been listening to the music of Schnittke: his piano sonatas, string quartets, piano concertos and lastly his symphonies
    one per day. This because I find them as well as most of his other music very demanding and intense; grim. I am so taken by this man's music, I intend
    to explore his soundtracks and miscellaneous orchestral output. My initial hearing was the cello concerto no. 1 and 2. I have difficulty imagining
    a live concert of his music because of the challenging nature of the music, much of it imo dark.

    If you haven't already heard his piano quintet, do try to listen. (I first heard it on a very good BIS recording.) I consider it a truly great
    work. I've found his chamber music less daunting than the orchestral,
    but perhaos based on too limited a sample, and I've appreciated orchestral works as well.
    --
    Al Eisner

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 16 20:27:29 2022
    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/bsapnrcqplsuqj58z7m4x/h?dl=0&rlkey=oii6u8er93npyhqlgcrb6kj9k

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 20 12:48:13 2022
    ****psichord music by various composers.

    Links have been posted.

    Trying to find any redeeming qualities in
    firewood in order to decide if they are all
    equally bad, or if some should be allowed
    to hang around for another half century.

    dk

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  • From Todd M. McComb@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 21 01:42:20 2022
    The title of this release is also a description:

    "TRANSCENDENTAL" CONCORD SONATA by Charles Ives for two pianos in
    spiral of fifths tuning

    https://johnnyreinhard.bandcamp.com/album/transcendental-concord-sonata-by-charles-ives-for-two-pianos-in-spiral-of-fifths-tuning

    Unfortunately, the brief accompanying discussion doesn't really
    tell us why....

    Might recall Scriabin at times.

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  • From Todd M. McComb@21:1/5 to Todd M. McComb on Wed Dec 21 23:08:12 2022
    In article <tnto9s$e1r$1@hope.eyrie.org>,
    Todd M. McComb <mccomb@medieval.org> wrote:
    "TRANSCENDENTAL" CONCORD SONATA by Charles Ives for two pianos in
    spiral of fifths tuning
    Unfortunately, the brief accompanying discussion doesn't really
    tell us why....

    I'm continuing to find this release to be interesting -- it's an
    older recording from 2016. The sound quality isn't great, not bad
    either, but it'd be a good place for high-def....

    And I thought James Tenney recorded the Concord Sonata, but am
    finding not a trace of that. Am I crazy?

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 21 15:26:49 2022
    Chopin Preludes for Hanukkah.
    Not sure yet what to listen to
    for Christmas.

    dk

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to dan....gmail.com on Wed Dec 21 17:16:15 2022
    On Thursday, 22 December 2022 at 10:26:52 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
    Chopin Preludes for Hanukkah.
    Not sure yet what to listen to
    for Christmas.

    dk

    Sung by the Oak Ridge Physicists (1947 party)
    (to the tune of Deck the Halls)

    Pile research is not for us'uns.
    Fa la la la la, la la la la.
    Leave it to our Argonne cousins.
    Fa la la la la, la la la la.
    Engineering is for we'uns.
    Fa la la la la, la la la la.
    We're a bunch of dirty peons.
    Fa la la la la, la la la la.

    Followed by
    Frosty the Snowman

    ... or whatever else keeps the northern Sami elves in a job.

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From Notsure01@21:1/5 to raymond....@gmail.com on Wed Dec 21 22:01:36 2022
    On 12/21/22 8:16 PM, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, 22 December 2022 at 10:26:52 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
    Chopin Preludes for Hanukkah.
    Not sure yet what to listen to
    for Christmas.

    dk

    Sung by the Oak Ridge Physicists (1947 party)
    (to the tune of Deck the Halls)

    Pile research is not for us'uns.
    Fa la la la la, la la la la.
    Leave it to our Argonne cousins.
    Fa la la la la, la la la la.
    Engineering is for we'uns.
    Fa la la la la, la la la la.
    We're a bunch of dirty peons.
    Fa la la la la, la la la la.

    Followed by
    Frosty the Snowman

    ... or whatever else keeps the northern Sami elves in a job.

    Ray Hall, Taree


    Here's a Hallelujah Chorus that leaves me without words: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRhjWdr-LAA

    Wonder if it is H.I.P?

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 21 19:56:59 2022
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 7:01:41 PM UTC-8, Notsure01 wrote:

    Here's a Hallelujah Chorus that leaves me without words: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRhjWdr-LAA

    Why don't you just borrow their words?

    dk

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 23 04:49:16 2022
    Listening to a LOT of Bach. Just about everything he wrote is pure genius.

    Lots of organ music and it will be Cantatas over Xmas with some solo violin and keyboard stuff.

    I'm maxed out on the Brandenburgs, but I love the 4 Suites.

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 23 05:27:32 2022
    Op vrijdag 23 december 2022 om 13:49:19 UTC+1 schreef Andy Evans:
    Listening to a LOT of Bach. Just about everything he wrote is pure genius.

    Lots of organ music and it will be Cantatas over Xmas with some solo violin and keyboard stuff.

    I'm maxed out on the Brandenburgs, but I love the 4 Suites.

    Listened to a few unpopular pianists I used to like: Pennario, Gimpel, Richter Haaser, Brailowsky, Uninsky, Iturbi ..., and I must admit I still like quite a few of their recordings - Uninsky's perhaps the least.

    Henk

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  • From number_six@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 23 13:42:11 2022
    Destination Nato --- various
    90s sampler - usual nato gang including Beresford, Coxhill, Coe etc

    coming up soon - more vintage Cuban music on Tumbao label

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  • From number_six@21:1/5 to Todd M. McComb on Fri Dec 23 14:02:04 2022
    On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 1:44:39 PM UTC-8, Todd M. McComb wrote:
    In article <e66b1d31-47a0-404c...@googlegroups.com>,
    number_six <cybe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Destination Nato --- various
    90s sampler - usual nato gang including Beresford, Coxhill, Coe etc
    For something newer from Beresford, try the _Kontakte_ trio on
    FMR....

    thanks!

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  • From Todd M. McComb@21:1/5 to cyberiade@hotmail.com on Fri Dec 23 21:44:35 2022
    In article <e66b1d31-47a0-404c-b030-ec2c762f6e1en@googlegroups.com>,
    number_six <cyberiade@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Destination Nato --- various
    90s sampler - usual nato gang including Beresford, Coxhill, Coe etc

    For something newer from Beresford, try the _Kontakte_ trio on
    FMR....

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  • From Todd M. McComb@21:1/5 to cyberiade@hotmail.com on Fri Dec 23 23:42:58 2022
    In article <87a31055-3c1e-4c97-a701-d0f4e34ed141n@googlegroups.com>,
    number_six <cyberiade@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 1:44:39 PM UTC-8, Todd M. McComb wrote:
    In article <e66b1d31-47a0-404c...@googlegroups.com>,
    For something newer from Beresford, try the _Kontakte_ trio on
    FMR....
    thanks!

    Two most recent Beresford releases I've noted are on Shrike Records:

    https://shrikerecords.bandcamp.com/

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 24 17:21:16 2022
    Chopin Piano Concerto no. 2.
    I prefer the second to the first.

    Every recording in my library,
    on YouTube, Amazon Music,
    Apple Music, etc... I boycott
    Spotify.

    dk

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  • From Paul Alsing@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Sat Dec 24 22:25:32 2022
    On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 5:21:18 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

    ... I boycott Spotify.

    ... Why is that?

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Herman on Sat Dec 24 23:37:15 2022
    On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 11:34:23 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
    On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 7:25:35 AM UTC+1, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 5:21:18 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

    ... I boycott Spotify.

    ... Why is that?

    Because he's a youtube salesman.

    Stupid beyond imagination. Spotify
    charges for content while YouTube
    does not -- so what is one selling?

    Your a salesman for imbecility.

    dk

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to pnal...@gmail.com on Sat Dec 24 23:34:21 2022
    On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 7:25:35 AM UTC+1, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 5:21:18 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

    ... I boycott Spotify.

    ... Why is that?

    Because he's a youtube salesman.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to pnal...@gmail.com on Sat Dec 24 23:35:50 2022
    On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 10:25:35 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 5:21:18 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

    ... I boycott Spotify.

    ... Why is that?

    Because of their political
    standing and sponsorship
    of folks like Joe Rogan.

    dk

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Sat Dec 24 23:56:01 2022
    On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 8:37:17 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

    Stupid beyond imagination. Spotify
    charges for content while YouTube
    does not -- so what is one selling?

    Your a salesman for imbecility.

    dk

    Did I mention you're a lying racist piece of shit?

    You have been recommending paying for youtube subscriptions.

    BTW when talking about selling imbecility, it helps to get your English right. It's "you're" rather than "your"

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Herman on Sun Dec 25 05:03:14 2022
    On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 11:56:04 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
    On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 8:37:17 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

    Stupid beyond imagination. Spotify
    charges for content while YouTube
    does not -- so what is one selling?

    Your a salesman for imbecility.

    Did I mention you're a lying racist piece of shit?

    You have been recommending paying for
    youtube subscriptions.

    Nope! I MENTIONED one can avoid ads by
    paying for a Premium subsription. I also
    MENTIONED several ways one can audio
    files can be downloaded from YT using
    free software.

    You really have your brains cooked.

    Have you repaired that mirror?

    dk

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  • From Al Eisner@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 25 12:23:49 2022
    "Echoes of Paris", a 2010 Avie CD from violinist Augustin Hadelich with
    pianist Robert Kulek> It consists of violin sonatas by Poulenc, Debissy,
    and Prokofiev (#2), along with Stravinsky's "Suite after Themes, Fragments
    and Pieces by Pergolesi". I don't recall if I've previously heard
    this Stravinksy "Pulcinella" arrrangement, but it is suitably quirky,
    and comes across well in this perforance. Hadelich's approach to the
    Debussy is what I would call delicate viruosity; it really flows, and
    is an excellent match to this wonderful sonata. He mostly also applies
    that style of virtuosity to the Prokofiev, leaving the stronger
    (but still not overdone) accents to the pianist. This makes for a
    very interesting performance. I'm quite fond of this CD as a whole;
    I consider Hadelich to be one of the finest of today's violinists.

    --
    Al Eisner

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  • From Oscar@21:1/5 to herman on Sun Dec 25 13:07:20 2022
    On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 1:34:23 AM, herman wrote:

    Because he's a youtube salesman.

    LOL!

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to Al Eisner on Sun Dec 25 13:07:06 2022
    On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 9:23:57 PM UTC+1, Al Eisner wrote:


    I consider Hadelich to be one of the finest of today's violinists.

    --
    So do I.

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  • From Peter@21:1/5 to Herman on Sun Dec 25 17:00:26 2022
    On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 1:07:08 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
    On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 9:23:57 PM UTC+1, Al Eisner wrote:


    I consider Hadelich to be one of the finest of today's violinists.

    --
    So do I.

    Me too. I like his "Bohemian Tales", where he convinces me that Dvorak's violin concerto is actually a strong piece. And he plays more Dvorak, Suk and Janacek with Charles Owen.

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  • From Notsure01@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 26 17:11:44 2022
    After trashing Norrington in the Brahms thread, I remembered that I have
    one of his recordings I really liked - the Weber symphonies with the
    London Classical Players.

    I listened again to symphony 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fripUC8e-wU

    This one of the many works which is inexplicably neglected - not
    profound, but tuneful and well orchestrated.

    And unlike in the Brahms, Norrington evinces interesting phrasing.
    Anyone who enjoys the Weber overtures (and Der Freischutz} might enjoy
    the symphonies.

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  • From Lawrence Chalmers@21:1/5 to Peter on Mon Dec 26 13:17:01 2022
    On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 5:00:28 PM UTC-8, Peter wrote:
    On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 1:07:08 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
    On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 9:23:57 PM UTC+1, Al Eisner wrote:


    I consider Hadelich to be one of the finest of today's violinists.

    --
    So do I.
    Me too. I like his "Bohemian Tales", where he convinces me that Dvorak's violin concerto is actually a strong piece. And he plays more Dvorak, Suk and Janacek with Charles Owen.


    The first two sets ( one at a time) of four plus uncollected works of Nancarrow's studies for player piano from the Complete collection on MDG.
    Really ear-stretching music makes me appreciate him as a composer to be able to realize his aims. All that hole punching and the technical aspects of modifying the piano are astonishing!

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 27 23:23:05 2022
    Liszt Ballade No. 2 in B minor, S.171
    All available recordings. Awesome!

    dk

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 30 09:03:24 2022
    Pascal Rogé, Debussy Arpeges Composees. Onyx

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 30 10:27:12 2022
    Orozco and Stanislav Bunin, whatever I could find on YT. I liked in particular Orozco's Chopin Ă©tudes and Bunin's Bach and Poulenc recordings.

    Why have we seen so little of Bunin in the West? Is he one of those Russian pianists who settled in Japan, and have enough concerts over there, like Mejoueva?

    Henk

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  • From Al Eisner@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 31 18:13:38 2022
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    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    The French CD of the Janet Baker Icon box: Berlioz "Les Nuits d'été",
    Ravel "Shéhérezade" (both with Barbirolli/New Philharmonia) and Chausson
    "Počme de l'amour et de la mer" (Previn/London Symphony Orchestra).
    --
    Al Eisner

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Herman on Sat Dec 31 19:53:13 2022
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 9:03:26 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
    Pascal Rogé, Debussy Arpeges Composees. Onyx

    Good -- maybe you'll learn a thing
    or two about piano performance.
    Make it a New Year resolution.

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  • From Herman@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Sat Dec 31 21:19:05 2022
    On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 4:53:16 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 9:03:26 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
    Pascal Rogé, Debussy Arpeges Composees. Onyx
    Good -- maybe you'll learn a thing
    or two about piano performance.
    Make it a New Year resolution.

    mind your own fucking business you racist piece of shit.
    keep your idiotic fascist imperatives to yourself.
    this is a topic for people to post what they're listening to, NOT to tell other people what to do, as is your inveterate habit. You're a piece of shit.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Herman on Sun Jan 1 08:31:20 2023
    On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 9:19:07 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
    On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 4:53:16 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 9:03:26 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
    Pascal Rogé, Debussy Arpeges Composees. Onyx
    Good -- maybe you'll learn a thing
    or two about piano performance.
    Make it a New Year resolution.

    mind your own fucking business
    you racist piece of shit. keep your
    idiotic fascist imperatives to yourself.
    this is a topic for people to post what
    they're listening to, NOT to tell other
    people what to do, as is your inveterate
    habit. You're a piece of shit.

    You have a very twisted notion of
    freedom of speech. There are no
    limitations on the range of topics
    that can be discussed in this ng.

    Happy New Year!

    dk

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