• Bach organ music

    From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 3 09:39:02 2022
    Who are your favourite organists in Bach? And some stand-out performances?

    Some mighty preludes and fugues but also the sonatas, concerti and a lot of choral preludes plus other works.

    I like Peter Hurford, Simon Preston, M-C Alain, Chapuis, Vollenweider.

    Not so sure about Rubsam, Koopman, Isoir, Weinberger, Bowyer, Walcha, Ghielmi, Richter, Dupre, Demessieux, Rogg mostly because I'm not so familiar with their playing. Plus I'm very out of date and unfamiliar with new faces.

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Sat Dec 3 11:05:52 2022
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 5:39:05 PM UTC, Andy Evans wrote:
    Who are your favourite organists in Bach? And some stand-out performances?

    Some mighty preludes and fugues but also the sonatas, concerti and a lot of choral preludes plus other works.

    I like Peter Hurford, Simon Preston, M-C Alain, Chapuis, Vollenweider.

    Not so sure about Rubsam, Koopman, Isoir, Weinberger, Bowyer, Walcha, Ghielmi, Richter, Dupre, Demessieux, Rogg mostly because I'm not so familiar with their playing. Plus I'm very out of date and unfamiliar with new faces.

    Someone asked me in September for some ideas about a single disc of trio sonatas. I said that I think all of these are tasty performances in decent sound on decent organs, and are available as individual discs. They should be on Spotify etc. That'll
    keep you busy.

    Simon Reichert
    Wolfgang Rübsam (Naxos, my favourite, by far)
    Kei Koito
    Rainer Goede
    Hubert Meister
    Christopher Herrick
    Helmut Walcha
    Marie Claire Alain
    Ton Koopman
    Wolfgang Stockmeier
    Daniel Chorzempa

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Sat Dec 3 12:15:08 2022
    On Saturday, 3 December 2022 at 19:05:54 UTC, Mandryka wrote:

    Someone asked me in September for some ideas about a single disc of trio sonatas. I said that I think all of these are tasty performances in decent sound on decent organs, and are available as individual discs. They should be on Spotify etc. That'll
    keep you busy.

    Thanks for that. Rubsam isn't my favourite here - that would go to Hurford, M-C Alain and Hans Vollenweider. But possibly my actual favourite version of these pieces is by Florilegium, an ensemble of instrumentalists who really make these works come
    alive. In this version they come out sounding half way to the Brandenburgs, which is fine with me.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rygm1C1gfy0

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 3 14:50:54 2022
    If you fancy something complete, I think Stockmeier is quite consistently enjoyable - variety of organs and agreeable, easy going performances.

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Sat Dec 3 14:49:23 2022
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 8:15:11 PM UTC, Andy Evans wrote:
    On Saturday, 3 December 2022 at 19:05:54 UTC, Mandryka wrote:

    Someone asked me in September for some ideas about a single disc of trio sonatas. I said that I think all of these are tasty performances in decent sound on decent organs, and are available as individual discs. They should be on Spotify etc. That'll
    keep you busy.
    Thanks for that. Rubsam isn't my favourite here - that would go to Hurford, M-C Alain and Hans Vollenweider. But possibly my actual favourite version of these pieces is by Florilegium, an ensemble of instrumentalists who really make these works come
    alive. In this version they come out sounding half way to the Brandenburgs, which is fine with me.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rygm1C1gfy0

    Well I think there’s some evidence that they were organ transcriptions of preexisting trio sonatas a chamber ensemble of some kind.


    Try the new Benjamin Alard Orgelbuchlein. It’s only just been released, and I haven’t much enjoyed the other CDs in the series, but when I dipped into this one I felt really quite positive.


    For the Leipzig Chorales, I really enjoy Chorzempa - I find myself very moved by the modesty and simplicity of the performances.


    I’d need to think about CU 3, though I have to say that I think Kei Koito is very satisfying, decent organ, decent performances, decent sound. Walcha’s good there too.

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  • From Bob Harper@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Sat Dec 3 16:57:09 2022
    On 12/3/22 9:39 AM, Andy Evans wrote:
    Who are your favourite organists in Bach? And some stand-out performances?

    Some mighty preludes and fugues but also the sonatas, concerti and a lot of choral preludes plus other works.

    I like Peter Hurford, Simon Preston, M-C Alain, Chapuis, Vollenweider.

    Not so sure about Rubsam, Koopman, Isoir, Weinberger, Bowyer, Walcha, Ghielmi, Richter, Dupre, Demessieux, Rogg mostly because I'm not so familiar with their playing. Plus I'm very out of date and unfamiliar with new faces.

    I have always liked Chapuis.

    Bob Harper

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 4 03:51:23 2022
    I've assembled a YT playlist of the trio sonatas for small ensembles. Some nice performances, and a variety of instruments. Recommended

    #1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6r5LnHe3Co House of Time
    #2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvzu9Gh4wpk House of Time
    #3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aDqPN2ylY4 Red Dot Baroque
    #4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KndexWkN5qw Suys Trio
    #5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmmQfCWrBQA Nevermind
    #6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPUaNeC6XB4 House of Time

    The Suys Trio have recorded #4, 5, 6 which are all on YT - there's an index with BWV525

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  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 4 05:03:26 2022
    For organ recordings in general I look for three things. First, obviously the performer, second - the instrument and third the sound engineering. Organs can be tricky to capture well and too many organ recordings, particularly on smaller labels sound
    lifeless. Also reverberation in churches is an issue- not too much or too little but just right is a problem for mike placement.

    I find Simon Preston in the Trio Sonatas and Concerto Transcriptions excellent.

    I may not get much agreement on this next choice, but I’m still very fond of E. Power Biggs in the famous works and the Preludes and Fugues, as well as the Schubler Chorales - most of which was reissued on great sounding Columbia CDs in that short
    period before Sony took over.

    Biggs recorded these on the Flentrop Organ which he gave as a gift to Harvard. It’s the perfect Bach organ IMO. Biggs was obsessed with clarity in both the instrument itself and the way it was captured on recordings.

    I’m a fan of his recordings even now.

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  • From sci.space@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 4 05:53:17 2022
    You have my agreement on Biggs. I have been building up an LP collection, of Biggs mostly through used bins and they are rarely disappointing. My liking is perhaps biased from hearing the Flentrop live dozens of times, just a handful performed by Biggs.
    Biggs brings a sense of delight to Bach without being overly dramatic. He makes the chromatic transitions seem right. I have the full Chapuis CD set and it is OK.

    BTW, the Biggs LPs usually sound a lot better than the CDs/. Some early CD transfers were pretty bad.

    I may not get much agreement on this next choice, but I’m still very fond of E. Power Biggs in the famous works and the Preludes and Fugues, as well as the Schubler Chorales - most of which was reissued on great sounding Columbia CDs in that short
    period before Sony took over.

    Biggs recorded these on the Flentrop Organ which he gave as a gift to Harvard. It’s the perfect Bach organ IMO. Biggs was obsessed with clarity in both the instrument itself and the way it was captured on recordings.

    I’m a fan of his recordings even now.

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 4 08:30:08 2022
    Biggs also recorded the trio sonatas

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  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Sun Dec 4 09:38:16 2022
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:30:12 AM UTC-5, Mandryka wrote:
    Biggs also recorded the trio sonatas

    Yes - you’re probably referring to his recording on his Challis Pedal Harpsichord. A bit difficult to listen to IMO. Very clunky after a while. Something about the pedal mechanism causes lots of noise.

    He did record #1 and 3 on the Flentrop organ but it was not reissued on CD, as with the majority of his recordings.

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Sun Dec 4 10:12:21 2022
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 5:38:18 PM UTC, JohnGavin wrote:
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:30:12 AM UTC-5, Mandryka wrote:
    Biggs also recorded the trio sonatas
    Yes - you’re probably referring to his recording on his Challis Pedal Harpsichord. A bit difficult to listen to IMO. Very clunky after a while. Something about the pedal mechanism causes lots of noise.

    He did record #1 and 3 on the Flentrop organ but it was not reissued on CD, as with the majority of his recordings.

    This recording by David Ponsford is another way of presenting them on harpsichord, I remember thinking it was perfectly OK when it came out. The ideal non organ performance for me would be on stacked clavichords

    https://www.wyastone.co.uk/j-s-bach-six-trio-sonatas-bwv-525-530-arranged-for-two-harpsichords-by-david-ponsford.html

    Re ensemble versions, one I enjoy is the Purcell quartet - not very Bachian as a transcription, but I find its reticence really quite appealing.

    https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7923087--bach-trio-sonatas

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to JohnGavin on Sun Dec 4 15:04:47 2022
    On Sunday, 4 December 2022 at 13:03:28 UTC, JohnGavin wrote:
    I may not get much agreement on this next choice, but I’m still very fond of E. Power Biggs in the famous works and the Preludes and Fugues, as well as the Schubler Chorales - most of which was reissued on great sounding Columbia CDs in that short
    period before Sony took over. I’m a fan of his recordings even now.

    No disagreement from me - I love his playing and the sound he produces.

    I've been liking these organists as well, who were unfamiliar to me - maybe others know them?
    Hans Vollenweider
    Christoph Albrecht
    Iveta Apkalna
    Weinberger
    Herbert Tachezi
    Helmut Tillmanns

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Sun Dec 4 17:25:45 2022
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 3:04:50 PM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:

    I've been liking these organists as well, who were unfamiliar to me - maybe others know them?
    Hans Vollenweider
    Christoph Albrecht
    Iveta Apkalna
    Weinberger
    Herbert Tachezi
    Helmut Tillmanns

    Since César Franck French
    organists rule absolutely! ;-)

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Sun Dec 4 22:04:48 2022
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 9:31:10 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:25:48 AM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

    Since César Franck French
    organists rule absolutely! ;-)

    The best of the French organists
    in Bach are Kei Koito and Bernard
    Coudurier, unless I’m forgetting
    someone.

    Looks like you forgot most of them! ;-)

    dk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Sun Dec 4 21:31:07 2022
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:25:48 AM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 3:04:50 PM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:

    I've been liking these organists as well, who were unfamiliar to me - maybe others know them?
    Hans Vollenweider
    Christoph Albrecht
    Iveta Apkalna
    Weinberger
    Herbert Tachezi
    Helmut Tillmanns
    Since César Franck French
    organists rule absolutely! ;-)

    The best of the French organists in Bach are Kei Koito and Bernard Coudurier, unless I’m forgetting someone.

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Mon Dec 5 01:02:07 2022
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 6:04:51 AM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 9:31:10 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:25:48 AM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

    Since César Franck French
    organists rule absolutely! ;-)

    The best of the French organists
    in Bach are Kei Koito and Bernard
    Coudurier, unless I’m forgetting
    someone.
    Looks like you forgot most of them! ;-)

    dk

    Not most, one. Foccroulle.

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 5 01:42:10 2022
    Trying to think now. There's Isoir and Chapuis and Vernet -- but none of them are very interesting in Bach as far as I can see.

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Mon Dec 5 01:45:13 2022
    On Monday, 5 December 2022 at 01:25:48 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

    Since César Franck French
    organists rule absolutely! ;-)

    Well, a typical Dan comment there..... But it's not so, apart from the fact that Messiaen is a God and many well-known French composers played the organ.

    I've been very disappointed in the recordings of Marcel Dupre, plus the sounds produced aren't as good as others.

    I love M-C Alain. Further than that..... you could make a case for Olivier Latry, Jeanne Demessieux, but after that I run out of ideas.

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Mon Dec 5 03:06:30 2022
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:45:15 AM UTC, Andy Evans wrote:
    On Monday, 5 December 2022 at 01:25:48 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

    Since César Franck French
    organists rule absolutely! ;-)
    Well, a typical Dan comment there..... But it's not so, apart from the fact that Messiaen is a God and many well-known French composers played the organ.

    I've been very disappointed in the recordings of Marcel Dupre, plus the sounds produced aren't as good as others.

    I love M-C Alain. Further than that..... you could make a case for Olivier Latry, Jeanne Demessieux, but after that I run out of ideas.
    Oh yes, I forgot McA, at least in the second complete Bach recordings. I have never heard Latry, Demessieux or Messiaen in Bach, .

    Rogg was Swiss. And it turns out I was wrong to mention Foccroulle, he is Belgian.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Mon Dec 5 03:15:27 2022
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:45:15 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
    On Monday, 5 December 2022 at 01:25:48 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    Since César Franck French
    organists rule absolutely! ;-)

    Well, a typical Dan comment there.....
    But it's not so, apart from the fact
    that Messiaen is a God and many
    well-known French composers
    played the organ.

    And composed for the organ. Most
    of the interesting repertoire written
    for organ after 1850 came from
    France.

    I've been very disappointed in the
    recordings of Marcel Dupre, plus
    the sounds produced aren't as
    good as others.

    I love M-C Alain. Further than that.....
    you could make a case for Olivier
    Latry, Jeanne Demessieux, but
    after that I run out of ideas.

    Pierre Cochereau et Jean Guillou.

    dk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Mon Dec 5 09:04:18 2022
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:15:29 AM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:45:15 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
    On Monday, 5 December 2022 at 01:25:48 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    Since César Franck French
    organists rule absolutely! ;-)

    Well, a typical Dan comment there.....
    But it's not so, apart from the fact
    that Messiaen is a God and many
    well-known French composers
    played the organ.
    And composed for the organ. Most
    of the interesting repertoire written
    for organ after 1850 came from
    France.
    I've been very disappointed in the
    recordings of Marcel Dupre, plus
    the sounds produced aren't as
    good as others.

    I love M-C Alain. Further than that.....
    you could make a case for Olivier
    Latry, Jeanne Demessieux, but
    after that I run out of ideas.
    Pierre Cochereau et Jean Guillou.

    dk
    Guillou? Tu te fous de ma gueule toi!

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  • From raymond.hallbear1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Mon Dec 5 13:11:09 2022
    On Monday, 5 December 2022 at 20:45:15 UTC+11, Andy Evans wrote:
    On Monday, 5 December 2022 at 01:25:48 UTC, dan....gmail.com wrote:

    Since César Franck French
    organists rule absolutely! ;-)
    Well, a typical Dan comment there..... But it's not so, apart from the fact that Messiaen is a God and many well-known French composers played the organ.

    I've been very disappointed in the recordings of Marcel Dupre, plus the sounds produced aren't as good as others.

    I love M-C Alain. Further than that..... you could make a case for Olivier Latry, Jeanne Demessieux, but after that I run out of ideas.

    I always thought that Jennifer Bate (who passed away only 2 years ago and was quite lovely), or Gillian Weir, were near the top of Messiaen exponents on the organ. Or maybe there are others ....

    Ray Hall, Taree

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Tue Dec 6 02:46:48 2022
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:04:21 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:15:29 AM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

    Pierre Cochereau et Jean Guillou.

    Guillou? Tu te fous de ma gueule toi!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtPDs0R7WBo

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 6 02:32:31 2022
    I've come across another fine organist - Ales Barta who records for Supraphon. The recordings are in wonderful sound - very clear and immediate. Some of the best organ sounds I've so far heard in Bach.

    Prelude and Fugue G BWV541
    Ales Barta https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekdpvv8aEew

    Prelude and Fugue Em BWV548
    Ales Barta https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2c_s14pW7o Prelude
    Ales Barta https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c78OL6S_G90 Fugue

    Prelude and Fugue D BWV532
    Ales Barta https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLVyHc2ERNE Fugue

    Prelude and Fugue E BWV566
    Ales Barta https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_VIADUyf8M&list=OLAK5uy_kIH9734o2q4wo4WMhF55ytc0RA_UKqtJc

    Toccata and Fugue Dm BWV565
    Ales Barta https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARBN9_nIAxE

    Passacaglia and Fugue Cm BWV582
    Ales Barta https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqKermOV28E

    6 Concertos BWV 592-597 #1
    Ales Barta https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sXQ490AaEg

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to dan....@gmail.com on Tue Dec 6 04:20:42 2022
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:46:51 AM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:04:21 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:15:29 AM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

    Pierre Cochereau et Jean Guillou.

    Guillou? Tu te fous de ma gueule toi!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtPDs0R7WBo
    The context was Bach, I don't doubt that Guillou can improvise.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Tue Dec 6 04:22:46 2022
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 4:20:45 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:46:51 AM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:04:21 AM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:15:29 AM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

    Pierre Cochereau et Jean Guillou.

    Guillou? Tu te fous de ma gueule toi!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtPDs0R7WBo
    The context was Bach, I don't doubt that Guillou can improvise.

    So what? This is not a court of law!

    dk

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  • From sci.space@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 6 05:20:53 2022
    I forgot Anton Heiller. His Vanguard LP of the Bach-Vivaldi concertos never fails to make me happy. The pure joy of the works shines through. His recordings of the Hindemith sonatas are also special, not sure if they were ever commercially released.

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to sci.space on Tue Dec 6 05:55:09 2022
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:20:56 PM UTC, sci.space wrote:
    I forgot Anton Heiller. His Vanguard LP of the Bach-Vivaldi concertos never fails to make me happy. The pure joy of the works shines through. His recordings of the Hindemith sonatas are also special, not sure if they were ever commercially released.
    This is my favourite bit of Vivaldi/Bach

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE9F39aWU2w&ab_channel=JoskeSiebelink

    Apart from that the recording which Kåre Nordstoge made a couple of years ago is on a very impressive organ -- good low notes!

    https://open.spotify.com/album/3msC4rZIP5wix71I4GobaA

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  • From JohnGavin@21:1/5 to sci.space on Tue Dec 6 08:02:40 2022
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 8:20:56 AM UTC-5, sci.space wrote:
    I forgot Anton Heiller. His Vanguard LP of the Bach-Vivaldi concertos never fails to make me happy. The pure joy of the works shines through. His recordings of the Hindemith sonatas are also special, not sure if they were ever commercially released.

    Anton Heiller’s organ compositions are worth checking out as well. They grow on you with repeated listening.

    Also several of his harpsichord recordings - Rameau, Couperin, Handel Suites.

    He tends to be a better player of German composers than French IMO, but his recording of the 6 Double Concertos of Soler with his wife Erna are very fine.

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