Started sampling some of the discs in the new Gieseking boxed set on Warner, and on some of the 1930's tracks I'm wondering if there are issues with the remastering: an annoying ringing tone. There is a review on Amazon that describes this in moredetail. Anyone else hearing things?
Yes, it is pretty obvious. I am wondering if Warner will redo those problematic tracks.detail. Anyone else hearing things?
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:29:07 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
Started sampling some of the discs in the new Gieseking boxed set on Warner, and on some of the 1930's tracks I'm wondering if there are issues with the remastering: an annoying ringing tone. There is a review on Amazon that describes this in more
Yes, it is pretty obvious. I am wondering if Warner will redo those problematic tracks.detail. Anyone else hearing things?
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:29:07 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
Started sampling some of the discs in the new Gieseking boxed set on Warner, and on some of the 1930's tracks I'm wondering if there are issues with the remastering: an annoying ringing tone. There is a review on Amazon that describes this in more
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 12:18:07 PM UTC-8, Invocation wrote:detail. Anyone else hearing things?
Yes, it is pretty obvious. I am wondering if Warner will redo those problematic tracks.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:29:07 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
Started sampling some of the discs in the new Gieseking boxed set on Warner, and on some of the 1930's tracks I'm wondering if there are issues with the remastering: an annoying ringing tone. There is a review on Amazon that describes this in more
Thanks for confirming. The later material that I've listened to so far sounds fine.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 6:35:31 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:more detail. Anyone else hearing things?
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 12:18:07 PM UTC-8, Invocation wrote:
Yes, it is pretty obvious. I am wondering if Warner will redo those problematic tracks.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:29:07 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
Started sampling some of the discs in the new Gieseking boxed set on Warner, and on some of the 1930's tracks I'm wondering if there are issues with the remastering: an annoying ringing tone. There is a review on Amazon that describes this in
include the mostly acoustical Homochord recordings which APR issued years ago in first-rate transfers.Thanks for confirming. The later material that I've listened to so far sounds fine.Do you remember any specific tracks, pieces obviously afflicted? The box has not been issued yet in the U.S. If it becomes suddenly unavailable for awhile, we will know what happened. The Amazon reviewer cites discs 1, 2 and 6. The first two discs
DHI first became aware of it when listening to Disc 4, track 9 (Mozart, from 1936).
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 4:46:08 PM UTC-8, drh8h wrote:more detail. Anyone else hearing things?
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 6:35:31 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 12:18:07 PM UTC-8, Invocation wrote:
Yes, it is pretty obvious. I am wondering if Warner will redo those problematic tracks.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:29:07 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
Started sampling some of the discs in the new Gieseking boxed set on Warner, and on some of the 1930's tracks I'm wondering if there are issues with the remastering: an annoying ringing tone. There is a review on Amazon that describes this in
include the mostly acoustical Homochord recordings which APR issued years ago in first-rate transfers.Thanks for confirming. The later material that I've listened to so far sounds fine.Do you remember any specific tracks, pieces obviously afflicted? The box has not been issued yet in the U.S. If it becomes suddenly unavailable for awhile, we will know what happened. The Amazon reviewer cites discs 1, 2 and 6. The first two discs
DHI first became aware of it when listening to Disc 4, track 9 (Mozart, from 1936).
On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 6:47:55 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:more detail. Anyone else hearing things?
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 4:46:08 PM UTC-8, drh8h wrote:
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 6:35:31 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 12:18:07 PM UTC-8, Invocation wrote:
Yes, it is pretty obvious. I am wondering if Warner will redo those problematic tracks.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:29:07 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
Started sampling some of the discs in the new Gieseking boxed set on Warner, and on some of the 1930's tracks I'm wondering if there are issues with the remastering: an annoying ringing tone. There is a review on Amazon that describes this in
include the mostly acoustical Homochord recordings which APR issued years ago in first-rate transfers.Thanks for confirming. The later material that I've listened to so far sounds fine.Do you remember any specific tracks, pieces obviously afflicted? The box has not been issued yet in the U.S. If it becomes suddenly unavailable for awhile, we will know what happened. The Amazon reviewer cites discs 1, 2 and 6. The first two discs
Who did the transfers on this set?DHI first became aware of it when listening to Disc 4, track 9 (Mozart, from 1936).
On Thu, 01 Dec 2022 12:18:04 -0800, Invocation wrote:detail. Anyone else hearing things?
Yes, it is pretty obvious. I am wondering if Warner will redo those problematic tracks.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:29:07 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
Started sampling some of the discs in the new Gieseking boxed set on Warner, and on some of the 1930's tracks I'm wondering if there are issues with the remastering: an annoying ringing tone. There is a review on Amazon that describes this in more
Is the ringing sound from Noise Reduction?
On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 10:50:31 AM UTC-5, George wrote:in more detail. Anyone else hearing things?
On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 6:47:55 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 4:46:08 PM UTC-8, drh8h wrote:
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 6:35:31 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 12:18:07 PM UTC-8, Invocation wrote:
Yes, it is pretty obvious. I am wondering if Warner will redo those problematic tracks.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:29:07 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
Started sampling some of the discs in the new Gieseking boxed set on Warner, and on some of the 1930's tracks I'm wondering if there are issues with the remastering: an annoying ringing tone. There is a review on Amazon that describes this
discs include the mostly acoustical Homochord recordings which APR issued years ago in first-rate transfers.Thanks for confirming. The later material that I've listened to so far sounds fine.Do you remember any specific tracks, pieces obviously afflicted? The box has not been issued yet in the U.S. If it becomes suddenly unavailable for awhile, we will know what happened. The Amazon reviewer cites discs 1, 2 and 6. The first two
Art et Son Studio.Who did the transfers on this set?DHI first became aware of it when listening to Disc 4, track 9 (Mozart, from 1936).
The ringing sound is caused by using poor quality 78s discs.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:30:53 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:more detail. Anyone else hearing things?
On Thu, 01 Dec 2022 12:18:04 -0800, Invocation wrote:
Yes, it is pretty obvious. I am wondering if Warner will redo those problematic tracks.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:29:07 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
Started sampling some of the discs in the new Gieseking boxed set on Warner, and on some of the 1930's tracks I'm wondering if there are issues with the remastering: an annoying ringing tone. There is a review on Amazon that describes this in
Is the ringing sound from Noise Reduction?
It really doesn't sound like a problem with the source material to me - unless the source material happens to be a low resolution digital transfer ;) To me it seems if something happened during >the CD mastering phase. I can't believe that a soundengineer would approve a recording sounding this way.
On Sat, 03 Dec 2022 12:48:03 -0800, Invocation wrote:more detail. Anyone else hearing things?
The ringing sound is caused by using poor quality 78s discs.I don't know what the listeners are saying by "ringing" sound.
Are they just complaining about surface noise? But they say
it is a processing sound and 78 surface noise by itself doesn't
sound like ringing to me.
This amazon review doesn't say enough, I can't tell what is
being talked about, why is the Liszt Concerto unacceptable,
Presto saying it is from 1936, not from the early 1920's:
This is an early response based on sampling discs 1, 2, & 6.
Unfortunately there seems to be a fault in the production of
these discs. I'm well aware that these are very old recordings
and are bound to sound poor in comparison to Gieseking's later
recordings, but the issue I'm having both on my computer and on
my hi fi system is a digital ringing at roughly the freqency area
around and above piano middle C. I have made digital transfers of
old material myself and recall this issues as arising from some
lack of synchronisation in the DAC. Unfortunately, I don't have
the knowledge to diagnose the fault precisely. It is, however, a
fault. I've checked other historical recordings on my systems and
my ears, just to be certain that I can isolate it. There is
definitely an issue with this Warner edition. What should I do?
Will Warner recall the discs and replace the faulty ones? Since
I've sampled three discs so far and found the same fault on each
one, I'm not optimistic about the rest.
UPDATE. I started to listen to disc 3, which has the Liszt First
Piano Concerto. The sound of this is simply unacceptable for an
issue by a major company. There is considerable distortion and
that same digital ringing I noted on other discs. All of this
indicates an unbelievably sloppy job by whoever was employed to
do the transfers and a lack of checking further up the chain. I'm
surprised, because other Warner boxes, e.g. the Barbirolli, have
been excellent. I'm returning the set to Amazon and hope that
Warner will do the decent thing and bring all the discs in the
Gieseking set up to their usual high standard.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:30:53 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2022 12:18:04 -0800, Invocation wrote:
Yes, it is pretty obvious. I am wondering if Warner will redo those problematic tracks.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:29:07 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
Started sampling some of the discs in the new Gieseking boxed set on Warner, and on some of the 1930's tracks I'm wondering if there are issues with the remastering: an annoying ringing tone. There is a review on Amazon that describes this in
Is the ringing sound from Noise Reduction?
On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:56:43 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:more detail. Anyone else hearing things?
On Sat, 03 Dec 2022 12:48:03 -0800, Invocation wrote:
The ringing sound is caused by using poor quality 78s discs.I don't know what the listeners are saying by "ringing" sound.
Are they just complaining about surface noise? But they say
it is a processing sound and 78 surface noise by itself doesn't
sound like ringing to me.
This amazon review doesn't say enough, I can't tell what is
being talked about, why is the Liszt Concerto unacceptable,
Presto saying it is from 1936, not from the early 1920's:
This is an early response based on sampling discs 1, 2, & 6.
Unfortunately there seems to be a fault in the production of
these discs. I'm well aware that these are very old recordings
and are bound to sound poor in comparison to Gieseking's later
recordings, but the issue I'm having both on my computer and on
my hi fi system is a digital ringing at roughly the freqency area
around and above piano middle C. I have made digital transfers of
old material myself and recall this issues as arising from some
lack of synchronisation in the DAC. Unfortunately, I don't have
the knowledge to diagnose the fault precisely. It is, however, a
fault. I've checked other historical recordings on my systems and
my ears, just to be certain that I can isolate it. There is
definitely an issue with this Warner edition. What should I do?
Will Warner recall the discs and replace the faulty ones? Since
I've sampled three discs so far and found the same fault on each
one, I'm not optimistic about the rest.
UPDATE. I started to listen to disc 3, which has the Liszt First
Piano Concerto. The sound of this is simply unacceptable for an
issue by a major company. There is considerable distortion and
that same digital ringing I noted on other discs. All of this
indicates an unbelievably sloppy job by whoever was employed to
do the transfers and a lack of checking further up the chain. I'm surprised, because other Warner boxes, e.g. the Barbirolli, have
been excellent. I'm returning the set to Amazon and hope that
Warner will do the decent thing and bring all the discs in the
Gieseking set up to their usual high standard.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:30:53 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2022 12:18:04 -0800, Invocation wrote:
Yes, it is pretty obvious. I am wondering if Warner will redo those problematic tracks.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:29:07 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
Started sampling some of the discs in the new Gieseking boxed set on Warner, and on some of the 1930's tracks I'm wondering if there are issues with the remastering: an annoying ringing tone. There is a review on Amazon that describes this in
not sure why they didn't use all of Seth's work. There is not problem with any of "his" tracks. Gieseking completists need to get the APR because it includes the Brunswick recordings. The Mozart "Turkish" excerpt on disc 6 is similarly afflicted with theI just, finally, received this box yesterday, so haven't listened to much, but sampled some tracks and went through disc 1. Notably, some of the Homocords on that earliest disc are the Seth Winner transfers from the previous outstanding APR issue. I amIs the ringing sound from Noise Reduction?
Dennis H
On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 2:14:46 PM UTC-5, George wrote:this in more detail. Anyone else hearing things?
On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 8:40:53 AM UTC-5, drh8h wrote:
On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:56:43 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2022 12:48:03 -0800, Invocation wrote:
The ringing sound is caused by using poor quality 78s discs.I don't know what the listeners are saying by "ringing" sound.
Are they just complaining about surface noise? But they say
it is a processing sound and 78 surface noise by itself doesn't
sound like ringing to me.
This amazon review doesn't say enough, I can't tell what is
being talked about, why is the Liszt Concerto unacceptable,
Presto saying it is from 1936, not from the early 1920's:
This is an early response based on sampling discs 1, 2, & 6. Unfortunately there seems to be a fault in the production of
these discs. I'm well aware that these are very old recordings
and are bound to sound poor in comparison to Gieseking's later recordings, but the issue I'm having both on my computer and on
my hi fi system is a digital ringing at roughly the freqency area around and above piano middle C. I have made digital transfers of
old material myself and recall this issues as arising from some
lack of synchronisation in the DAC. Unfortunately, I don't have
the knowledge to diagnose the fault precisely. It is, however, a fault. I've checked other historical recordings on my systems and
my ears, just to be certain that I can isolate it. There is
definitely an issue with this Warner edition. What should I do?
Will Warner recall the discs and replace the faulty ones? Since
I've sampled three discs so far and found the same fault on each
one, I'm not optimistic about the rest.
UPDATE. I started to listen to disc 3, which has the Liszt First
Piano Concerto. The sound of this is simply unacceptable for an
issue by a major company. There is considerable distortion and
that same digital ringing I noted on other discs. All of this indicates an unbelievably sloppy job by whoever was employed to
do the transfers and a lack of checking further up the chain. I'm surprised, because other Warner boxes, e.g. the Barbirolli, have
been excellent. I'm returning the set to Amazon and hope that
Warner will do the decent thing and bring all the discs in the Gieseking set up to their usual high standard.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:30:53 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2022 12:18:04 -0800, Invocation wrote:
Yes, it is pretty obvious. I am wondering if Warner will redo those problematic tracks.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:29:07 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
Started sampling some of the discs in the new Gieseking boxed set on Warner, and on some of the 1930's tracks I'm wondering if there are issues with the remastering: an annoying ringing tone. There is a review on Amazon that describes
I am not sure why they didn't use all of Seth's work. There is not problem with any of "his" tracks. Gieseking completists need to get the APR because it includes the Brunswick recordings. The Mozart "Turkish" excerpt on disc 6 is similarly afflictedI just, finally, received this box yesterday, so haven't listened to much, but sampled some tracks and went through disc 1. Notably, some of the Homocords on that earliest disc are the Seth Winner transfers from the previous outstanding APR issue.Is the ringing sound from Noise Reduction?
Maybe the booklet explains why?Dennis HThanks for clarifying the above, Dennis. Could you please confirm that the Warner box does not contain his full first recoriding (1938) of both books of Debussy preludes? The amazon image shows that only Book one (minus one prelude) is included.
mentioned in one of B. H. Haggin's record books. The second book was recorded by Columbia in NYC and is not in this set, as mentioned in the booklet. The easiest way to obtain it right now is to purchase the 2-CD APR set of WG's prewar Debussy recordings.Thanks,The first book is complete: the "Sunken Cathedral" was recorded earlier. Warner presents the records more or less chronologically. If one bought the "set" in the U. S., there was an empty pocket for that piece, which was sold separately. This is
George
On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 8:40:53 AM UTC-5, drh8h wrote:in more detail. Anyone else hearing things?
On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:56:43 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2022 12:48:03 -0800, Invocation wrote:
The ringing sound is caused by using poor quality 78s discs.I don't know what the listeners are saying by "ringing" sound.
Are they just complaining about surface noise? But they say
it is a processing sound and 78 surface noise by itself doesn't
sound like ringing to me.
This amazon review doesn't say enough, I can't tell what is
being talked about, why is the Liszt Concerto unacceptable,
Presto saying it is from 1936, not from the early 1920's:
This is an early response based on sampling discs 1, 2, & 6. Unfortunately there seems to be a fault in the production of
these discs. I'm well aware that these are very old recordings
and are bound to sound poor in comparison to Gieseking's later recordings, but the issue I'm having both on my computer and on
my hi fi system is a digital ringing at roughly the freqency area
around and above piano middle C. I have made digital transfers of
old material myself and recall this issues as arising from some
lack of synchronisation in the DAC. Unfortunately, I don't have
the knowledge to diagnose the fault precisely. It is, however, a
fault. I've checked other historical recordings on my systems and
my ears, just to be certain that I can isolate it. There is
definitely an issue with this Warner edition. What should I do?
Will Warner recall the discs and replace the faulty ones? Since
I've sampled three discs so far and found the same fault on each
one, I'm not optimistic about the rest.
UPDATE. I started to listen to disc 3, which has the Liszt First
Piano Concerto. The sound of this is simply unacceptable for an
issue by a major company. There is considerable distortion and
that same digital ringing I noted on other discs. All of this
indicates an unbelievably sloppy job by whoever was employed to
do the transfers and a lack of checking further up the chain. I'm surprised, because other Warner boxes, e.g. the Barbirolli, have
been excellent. I'm returning the set to Amazon and hope that
Warner will do the decent thing and bring all the discs in the
Gieseking set up to their usual high standard.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:30:53 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2022 12:18:04 -0800, Invocation wrote:
Yes, it is pretty obvious. I am wondering if Warner will redo those problematic tracks.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:29:07 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
Started sampling some of the discs in the new Gieseking boxed set on Warner, and on some of the 1930's tracks I'm wondering if there are issues with the remastering: an annoying ringing tone. There is a review on Amazon that describes this
am not sure why they didn't use all of Seth's work. There is not problem with any of "his" tracks. Gieseking completists need to get the APR because it includes the Brunswick recordings. The Mozart "Turkish" excerpt on disc 6 is similarly afflicted withI just, finally, received this box yesterday, so haven't listened to much, but sampled some tracks and went through disc 1. Notably, some of the Homocords on that earliest disc are the Seth Winner transfers from the previous outstanding APR issue. IIs the ringing sound from Noise Reduction?
the booklet explains why?Dennis HThanks for clarifying the above, Dennis. Could you please confirm that the Warner box does not contain his full first recoriding (1938) of both books of Debussy preludes? The amazon image shows that only Book one (minus one prelude) is included. Maybe
Thanks,
George
On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:56:43 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:more detail. Anyone else hearing things?
On Sat, 03 Dec 2022 12:48:03 -0800, Invocation wrote:
The ringing sound is caused by using poor quality 78s discs.I don't know what the listeners are saying by "ringing" sound.
Are they just complaining about surface noise? But they say
it is a processing sound and 78 surface noise by itself doesn't
sound like ringing to me.
This amazon review doesn't say enough, I can't tell what is
being talked about, why is the Liszt Concerto unacceptable,
Presto saying it is from 1936, not from the early 1920's:
This is an early response based on sampling discs 1, 2, & 6.
Unfortunately there seems to be a fault in the production of
these discs. I'm well aware that these are very old recordings
and are bound to sound poor in comparison to Gieseking's later
recordings, but the issue I'm having both on my computer and on
my hi fi system is a digital ringing at roughly the freqency area
around and above piano middle C. I have made digital transfers of
old material myself and recall this issues as arising from some
lack of synchronisation in the DAC. Unfortunately, I don't have
the knowledge to diagnose the fault precisely. It is, however, a
fault. I've checked other historical recordings on my systems and
my ears, just to be certain that I can isolate it. There is
definitely an issue with this Warner edition. What should I do?
Will Warner recall the discs and replace the faulty ones? Since
I've sampled three discs so far and found the same fault on each
one, I'm not optimistic about the rest.
UPDATE. I started to listen to disc 3, which has the Liszt First
Piano Concerto. The sound of this is simply unacceptable for an
issue by a major company. There is considerable distortion and
that same digital ringing I noted on other discs. All of this
indicates an unbelievably sloppy job by whoever was employed to
do the transfers and a lack of checking further up the chain. I'm surprised, because other Warner boxes, e.g. the Barbirolli, have
been excellent. I'm returning the set to Amazon and hope that
Warner will do the decent thing and bring all the discs in the
Gieseking set up to their usual high standard.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:30:53 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2022 12:18:04 -0800, Invocation wrote:
Yes, it is pretty obvious. I am wondering if Warner will redo those problematic tracks.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:29:07 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
Started sampling some of the discs in the new Gieseking boxed set on Warner, and on some of the 1930's tracks I'm wondering if there are issues with the remastering: an annoying ringing tone. There is a review on Amazon that describes this in
not sure why they didn't use all of Seth's work. There is not problem with any of "his" tracks. Gieseking completists need to get the APR because it includes the Brunswick recordings. The Mozart "Turkish" excerpt on disc 6 is similarly afflicted with theI just, finally, received this box yesterday, so haven't listened to much, but sampled some tracks and went through disc 1. Notably, some of the Homocords on that earliest disc are the Seth Winner transfers from the previous outstanding APR issue. I amIs the ringing sound from Noise Reduction?
Dennis H
On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:56:43 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:more detail. Anyone else hearing things?
On Sat, 03 Dec 2022 12:48:03 -0800, Invocation wrote:
The ringing sound is caused by using poor quality 78s discs.I don't know what the listeners are saying by "ringing" sound.
Are they just complaining about surface noise? But they say
it is a processing sound and 78 surface noise by itself doesn't
sound like ringing to me.
This amazon review doesn't say enough, I can't tell what is
being talked about, why is the Liszt Concerto unacceptable,
Presto saying it is from 1936, not from the early 1920's:
This is an early response based on sampling discs 1, 2, & 6.
Unfortunately there seems to be a fault in the production of
these discs. I'm well aware that these are very old recordings
and are bound to sound poor in comparison to Gieseking's later
recordings, but the issue I'm having both on my computer and on
my hi fi system is a digital ringing at roughly the freqency area
around and above piano middle C. I have made digital transfers of
old material myself and recall this issues as arising from some
lack of synchronisation in the DAC. Unfortunately, I don't have
the knowledge to diagnose the fault precisely. It is, however, a
fault. I've checked other historical recordings on my systems and
my ears, just to be certain that I can isolate it. There is
definitely an issue with this Warner edition. What should I do?
Will Warner recall the discs and replace the faulty ones? Since
I've sampled three discs so far and found the same fault on each
one, I'm not optimistic about the rest.
UPDATE. I started to listen to disc 3, which has the Liszt First
Piano Concerto. The sound of this is simply unacceptable for an
issue by a major company. There is considerable distortion and
that same digital ringing I noted on other discs. All of this
indicates an unbelievably sloppy job by whoever was employed to
do the transfers and a lack of checking further up the chain. I'm surprised, because other Warner boxes, e.g. the Barbirolli, have
been excellent. I'm returning the set to Amazon and hope that
Warner will do the decent thing and bring all the discs in the
Gieseking set up to their usual high standard.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:30:53 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2022 12:18:04 -0800, Invocation wrote:
Yes, it is pretty obvious. I am wondering if Warner will redo those problematic tracks.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:29:07 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
Started sampling some of the discs in the new Gieseking boxed set on Warner, and on some of the 1930's tracks I'm wondering if there are issues with the remastering: an annoying ringing tone. There is a review on Amazon that describes this in
not sure why they didn't use all of Seth's work. There is not problem with any of "his" tracks. Gieseking completists need to get the APR because it includes the Brunswick recordings. The Mozart "Turkish" excerpt on disc 6 is similarly afflicted with theIs the ringing sound from Noise Reduction?
I just, finally, received this box yesterday, so haven't listened to much, but sampled some tracks and went through disc 1. Notably, some of the Homocords on that earliest disc are the Seth Winner transfers from the previous outstanding APR issue. I am
network of collectors and institutions and can track down the best copies from anywhere in the world. I mention this because it has happened before. In the otherwise outstanding Furtwängler complete set, the discs used by Art & Son for the Brahms 1were in dire condition in complete contrast to the rest of the set.
On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 05:40:51 -0800, drh8h wrote:in more detail. Anyone else hearing things?
On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:56:43 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2022 12:48:03 -0800, Invocation wrote:
The ringing sound is caused by using poor quality 78s discs.I don't know what the listeners are saying by "ringing" sound.
Are they just complaining about surface noise? But they say
it is a processing sound and 78 surface noise by itself doesn't
sound like ringing to me.
This amazon review doesn't say enough, I can't tell what is
being talked about, why is the Liszt Concerto unacceptable,
Presto saying it is from 1936, not from the early 1920's:
This is an early response based on sampling discs 1, 2, & 6. Unfortunately there seems to be a fault in the production of
these discs. I'm well aware that these are very old recordings
and are bound to sound poor in comparison to Gieseking's later recordings, but the issue I'm having both on my computer and on
my hi fi system is a digital ringing at roughly the freqency area
around and above piano middle C. I have made digital transfers of
old material myself and recall this issues as arising from some
lack of synchronisation in the DAC. Unfortunately, I don't have
the knowledge to diagnose the fault precisely. It is, however, a
fault. I've checked other historical recordings on my systems and
my ears, just to be certain that I can isolate it. There is
definitely an issue with this Warner edition. What should I do?
Will Warner recall the discs and replace the faulty ones? Since
I've sampled three discs so far and found the same fault on each
one, I'm not optimistic about the rest.
UPDATE. I started to listen to disc 3, which has the Liszt First
Piano Concerto. The sound of this is simply unacceptable for an
issue by a major company. There is considerable distortion and
that same digital ringing I noted on other discs. All of this
indicates an unbelievably sloppy job by whoever was employed to
do the transfers and a lack of checking further up the chain. I'm surprised, because other Warner boxes, e.g. the Barbirolli, have
been excellent. I'm returning the set to Amazon and hope that
Warner will do the decent thing and bring all the discs in the
Gieseking set up to their usual high standard.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:30:53 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2022 12:18:04 -0800, Invocation wrote:
Yes, it is pretty obvious. I am wondering if Warner will redo those problematic tracks.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:29:07 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
Started sampling some of the discs in the new Gieseking boxed set on Warner, and on some of the 1930's tracks I'm wondering if there are issues with the remastering: an annoying ringing tone. There is a review on Amazon that describes this
am not sure why they didn't use all of Seth's work. There is not problem with any of "his" tracks. Gieseking completists need to get the APR because it includes the Brunswick recordings. The Mozart "Turkish" excerpt on disc 6 is similarly afflicted withIs the ringing sound from Noise Reduction?
I just, finally, received this box yesterday, so haven't listened to much, but sampled some tracks and went through disc 1. Notably, some of the Homocords on that earliest disc are the Seth Winner transfers from the previous outstanding APR issue. I
were in dire condition in complete contrast to the rest of the set.network of collectors and institutions and can track down the best copies from anywhere in the world. I mention this because it has happened before. In the otherwise outstanding Furtwängler complete set, the discs used by Art & Son for the Brahms 1
Can you describe the "ringing"? Is it surface noise, is it
noise reduction? Noise reduction can have a whiny sound.
I far prefer surface noise to noise reduction artifacts.
On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 4:04:35 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:this in more detail. Anyone else hearing things?
On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 05:40:51 -0800, drh8h wrote:
On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:56:43 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2022 12:48:03 -0800, Invocation wrote:
The ringing sound is caused by using poor quality 78s discs.I don't know what the listeners are saying by "ringing" sound.
Are they just complaining about surface noise? But they say
it is a processing sound and 78 surface noise by itself doesn't
sound like ringing to me.
This amazon review doesn't say enough, I can't tell what is
being talked about, why is the Liszt Concerto unacceptable,
Presto saying it is from 1936, not from the early 1920's:
This is an early response based on sampling discs 1, 2, & 6. Unfortunately there seems to be a fault in the production of
these discs. I'm well aware that these are very old recordings
and are bound to sound poor in comparison to Gieseking's later recordings, but the issue I'm having both on my computer and on
my hi fi system is a digital ringing at roughly the freqency area around and above piano middle C. I have made digital transfers of
old material myself and recall this issues as arising from some
lack of synchronisation in the DAC. Unfortunately, I don't have
the knowledge to diagnose the fault precisely. It is, however, a
fault. I've checked other historical recordings on my systems and
my ears, just to be certain that I can isolate it. There is
definitely an issue with this Warner edition. What should I do?
Will Warner recall the discs and replace the faulty ones? Since
I've sampled three discs so far and found the same fault on each
one, I'm not optimistic about the rest.
UPDATE. I started to listen to disc 3, which has the Liszt First
Piano Concerto. The sound of this is simply unacceptable for an
issue by a major company. There is considerable distortion and
that same digital ringing I noted on other discs. All of this
indicates an unbelievably sloppy job by whoever was employed to
do the transfers and a lack of checking further up the chain. I'm surprised, because other Warner boxes, e.g. the Barbirolli, have
been excellent. I'm returning the set to Amazon and hope that
Warner will do the decent thing and bring all the discs in the Gieseking set up to their usual high standard.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:30:53 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2022 12:18:04 -0800, Invocation wrote:
Yes, it is pretty obvious. I am wondering if Warner will redo those problematic tracks.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:29:07 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
Started sampling some of the discs in the new Gieseking boxed set on Warner, and on some of the 1930's tracks I'm wondering if there are issues with the remastering: an annoying ringing tone. There is a review on Amazon that describes
I am not sure why they didn't use all of Seth's work. There is not problem with any of "his" tracks. Gieseking completists need to get the APR because it includes the Brunswick recordings. The Mozart "Turkish" excerpt on disc 6 is similarly afflictedIs the ringing sound from Noise Reduction?
I just, finally, received this box yesterday, so haven't listened to much, but sampled some tracks and went through disc 1. Notably, some of the Homocords on that earliest disc are the Seth Winner transfers from the previous outstanding APR issue.
1 were in dire condition in complete contrast to the rest of the set.network of collectors and institutions and can track down the best copies from anywhere in the world. I mention this because it has happened before. In the otherwise outstanding Furtwängler complete set, the discs used by Art & Son for the Brahms
from the musical sound. I am still working my way through the discs, so can't say how much is afflicted. Never throughout an entire disc, and only certain short pieces. So far, the concertos, except the worn out parts of the Liszt, and sonatas are fine.Can you describe the "ringing"? Is it surface noise, is it
noise reduction? Noise reduction can have a whiny sound.
I far prefer surface noise to noise reduction artifacts.
To me it sounds like a metallic resonance. You might think your tweeter was damaged or a piece of metal vibrating. Such noises are not uncommon on distorting or worn piano recordings, but this is subtly different, higher pitched and rather disembodied
results, maybe less so with a treble rolloff. Surface noise is strong on some tracks.
Art & Son usually don't overdo the noise reduction.
We need a technical expert to weigh in.
On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 17:32:59 -0800, drh8h wrote:this in more detail. Anyone else hearing things?
On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 4:04:35 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 05:40:51 -0800, drh8h wrote:
On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:56:43 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2022 12:48:03 -0800, Invocation wrote:
The ringing sound is caused by using poor quality 78s discs.I don't know what the listeners are saying by "ringing" sound.
Are they just complaining about surface noise? But they say
it is a processing sound and 78 surface noise by itself doesn't sound like ringing to me.
This amazon review doesn't say enough, I can't tell what is
being talked about, why is the Liszt Concerto unacceptable,
Presto saying it is from 1936, not from the early 1920's:
This is an early response based on sampling discs 1, 2, & 6. Unfortunately there seems to be a fault in the production of
these discs. I'm well aware that these are very old recordings
and are bound to sound poor in comparison to Gieseking's later recordings, but the issue I'm having both on my computer and on
my hi fi system is a digital ringing at roughly the freqency area around and above piano middle C. I have made digital transfers of old material myself and recall this issues as arising from some
lack of synchronisation in the DAC. Unfortunately, I don't have
the knowledge to diagnose the fault precisely. It is, however, a fault. I've checked other historical recordings on my systems and
my ears, just to be certain that I can isolate it. There is definitely an issue with this Warner edition. What should I do?
Will Warner recall the discs and replace the faulty ones? Since
I've sampled three discs so far and found the same fault on each one, I'm not optimistic about the rest.
UPDATE. I started to listen to disc 3, which has the Liszt First Piano Concerto. The sound of this is simply unacceptable for an issue by a major company. There is considerable distortion and
that same digital ringing I noted on other discs. All of this indicates an unbelievably sloppy job by whoever was employed to
do the transfers and a lack of checking further up the chain. I'm surprised, because other Warner boxes, e.g. the Barbirolli, have been excellent. I'm returning the set to Amazon and hope that
Warner will do the decent thing and bring all the discs in the Gieseking set up to their usual high standard.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:30:53 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2022 12:18:04 -0800, Invocation wrote:
Yes, it is pretty obvious. I am wondering if Warner will redo those problematic tracks.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:29:07 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
Started sampling some of the discs in the new Gieseking boxed set on Warner, and on some of the 1930's tracks I'm wondering if there are issues with the remastering: an annoying ringing tone. There is a review on Amazon that describes
I am not sure why they didn't use all of Seth's work. There is not problem with any of "his" tracks. Gieseking completists need to get the APR because it includes the Brunswick recordings. The Mozart "Turkish" excerpt on disc 6 is similarly afflictedIs the ringing sound from Noise Reduction?
I just, finally, received this box yesterday, so haven't listened to much, but sampled some tracks and went through disc 1. Notably, some of the Homocords on that earliest disc are the Seth Winner transfers from the previous outstanding APR issue.
aBrahms 1 were in dire condition in complete contrast to the rest of the set.
network of collectors and institutions and can track down the best copies from anywhere in the world. I mention this because it has happened before. In the otherwise outstanding Furtwängler complete set, the discs used by Art & Son for the
disembodied from the musical sound. I am still working my way through the discs, so can't say how much is afflicted. Never throughout an entire disc, and only certain short pieces. So far, the concertos, except the worn out parts of the Liszt, andCan you describe the "ringing"? Is it surface noise, is it
noise reduction? Noise reduction can have a whiny sound.
I far prefer surface noise to noise reduction artifacts.
To me it sounds like a metallic resonance. You might think your tweeter was damaged or a piece of metal vibrating. Such noises are not uncommon on distorting or worn piano recordings, but this is subtly different, higher pitched and rather
results, maybe less so with a treble rolloff. Surface noise is strong on some tracks.Anyway, I bought the set. I predict I'll describe it as "that does
sound like ringing but it's hard to describe".
Art & Son usually don't overdo the noise reduction.You can't go by names: Is Sony's Meyer or b-sharp good?
They did a terrible job on Richter's 1960 Columbia live
recordings. Is Ward Marston good? Sony placed his name
on the terrible engineering of the Complete Rachmaninoff set.
Is Keith Hardwick good? EMI placed his name on the 1990
Schnabel set. All three sets and engineering were severely
muffled by noise reduction.
We need a technical expert to weigh in.We don't need the type of experts who always apologizes for
intrusive engineering. We need the types who analyzes and
explains.
(Sorry for the TD derangement syndrome)
On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 17:32:59 -0800, drh8h wrote:this in more detail. Anyone else hearing things?
On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 4:04:35 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 05:40:51 -0800, drh8h wrote:
On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:56:43 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2022 12:48:03 -0800, Invocation wrote:
The ringing sound is caused by using poor quality 78s discs.I don't know what the listeners are saying by "ringing" sound.
Are they just complaining about surface noise? But they say
it is a processing sound and 78 surface noise by itself doesn't
sound like ringing to me.
This amazon review doesn't say enough, I can't tell what is
being talked about, why is the Liszt Concerto unacceptable,
Presto saying it is from 1936, not from the early 1920's:
This is an early response based on sampling discs 1, 2, & 6. Unfortunately there seems to be a fault in the production of
these discs. I'm well aware that these are very old recordings
and are bound to sound poor in comparison to Gieseking's later recordings, but the issue I'm having both on my computer and on
my hi fi system is a digital ringing at roughly the freqency area around and above piano middle C. I have made digital transfers of
old material myself and recall this issues as arising from some
lack of synchronisation in the DAC. Unfortunately, I don't have
the knowledge to diagnose the fault precisely. It is, however, a fault. I've checked other historical recordings on my systems and
my ears, just to be certain that I can isolate it. There is definitely an issue with this Warner edition. What should I do?
Will Warner recall the discs and replace the faulty ones? Since
I've sampled three discs so far and found the same fault on each
one, I'm not optimistic about the rest.
UPDATE. I started to listen to disc 3, which has the Liszt First Piano Concerto. The sound of this is simply unacceptable for an
issue by a major company. There is considerable distortion and
that same digital ringing I noted on other discs. All of this indicates an unbelievably sloppy job by whoever was employed to
do the transfers and a lack of checking further up the chain. I'm surprised, because other Warner boxes, e.g. the Barbirolli, have
been excellent. I'm returning the set to Amazon and hope that
Warner will do the decent thing and bring all the discs in the Gieseking set up to their usual high standard.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:30:53 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2022 12:18:04 -0800, Invocation wrote:
Yes, it is pretty obvious. I am wondering if Warner will redo those problematic tracks.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:29:07 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
Started sampling some of the discs in the new Gieseking boxed set on Warner, and on some of the 1930's tracks I'm wondering if there are issues with the remastering: an annoying ringing tone. There is a review on Amazon that describes
I am not sure why they didn't use all of Seth's work. There is not problem with any of "his" tracks. Gieseking completists need to get the APR because it includes the Brunswick recordings. The Mozart "Turkish" excerpt on disc 6 is similarly afflictedIs the ringing sound from Noise Reduction?
I just, finally, received this box yesterday, so haven't listened to much, but sampled some tracks and went through disc 1. Notably, some of the Homocords on that earliest disc are the Seth Winner transfers from the previous outstanding APR issue.
aBrahms 1 were in dire condition in complete contrast to the rest of the set.
network of collectors and institutions and can track down the best copies from anywhere in the world. I mention this because it has happened before. In the otherwise outstanding Furtwängler complete set, the discs used by Art & Son for the
disembodied from the musical sound. I am still working my way through the discs, so can't say how much is afflicted. Never throughout an entire disc, and only certain short pieces. So far, the concertos, except the worn out parts of the Liszt, andCan you describe the "ringing"? Is it surface noise, is it
noise reduction? Noise reduction can have a whiny sound.
I far prefer surface noise to noise reduction artifacts.
To me it sounds like a metallic resonance. You might think your tweeter was damaged or a piece of metal vibrating. Such noises are not uncommon on distorting or worn piano recordings, but this is subtly different, higher pitched and rather
results, maybe less so with a treble rolloff. Surface noise is strong on some tracks.
Anyway, I bought the set. I predict I'll describe it as "that does
sound like ringing but it's hard to describe".
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 3:00:42 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:this in more detail. Anyone else hearing things?
On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 17:32:59 -0800, drh8h wrote:
On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 4:04:35 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 05:40:51 -0800, drh8h wrote:
On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:56:43 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2022 12:48:03 -0800, Invocation wrote:
The ringing sound is caused by using poor quality 78s discs.I don't know what the listeners are saying by "ringing" sound.
Are they just complaining about surface noise? But they say
it is a processing sound and 78 surface noise by itself doesn't sound like ringing to me.
This amazon review doesn't say enough, I can't tell what is
being talked about, why is the Liszt Concerto unacceptable,
Presto saying it is from 1936, not from the early 1920's:
This is an early response based on sampling discs 1, 2, & 6. Unfortunately there seems to be a fault in the production of
these discs. I'm well aware that these are very old recordings
and are bound to sound poor in comparison to Gieseking's later recordings, but the issue I'm having both on my computer and on
my hi fi system is a digital ringing at roughly the freqency area around and above piano middle C. I have made digital transfers of old material myself and recall this issues as arising from some lack of synchronisation in the DAC. Unfortunately, I don't have
the knowledge to diagnose the fault precisely. It is, however, a fault. I've checked other historical recordings on my systems and my ears, just to be certain that I can isolate it. There is definitely an issue with this Warner edition. What should I do? Will Warner recall the discs and replace the faulty ones? Since I've sampled three discs so far and found the same fault on each one, I'm not optimistic about the rest.
UPDATE. I started to listen to disc 3, which has the Liszt First Piano Concerto. The sound of this is simply unacceptable for an issue by a major company. There is considerable distortion and
that same digital ringing I noted on other discs. All of this indicates an unbelievably sloppy job by whoever was employed to
do the transfers and a lack of checking further up the chain. I'm surprised, because other Warner boxes, e.g. the Barbirolli, have been excellent. I'm returning the set to Amazon and hope that Warner will do the decent thing and bring all the discs in the Gieseking set up to their usual high standard.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:30:53 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2022 12:18:04 -0800, Invocation wrote:
Yes, it is pretty obvious. I am wondering if Warner will redo those problematic tracks.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:29:07 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
Started sampling some of the discs in the new Gieseking boxed set on Warner, and on some of the 1930's tracks I'm wondering if there are issues with the remastering: an annoying ringing tone. There is a review on Amazon that describes
issue. I am not sure why they didn't use all of Seth's work. There is not problem with any of "his" tracks. Gieseking completists need to get the APR because it includes the Brunswick recordings. The Mozart "Turkish" excerpt on disc 6 is similarlyIs the ringing sound from Noise Reduction?
I just, finally, received this box yesterday, so haven't listened to much, but sampled some tracks and went through disc 1. Notably, some of the Homocords on that earliest disc are the Seth Winner transfers from the previous outstanding APR
Brahms 1 were in dire condition in complete contrast to the rest of the set.a
network of collectors and institutions and can track down the best copies from anywhere in the world. I mention this because it has happened before. In the otherwise outstanding Furtwängler complete set, the discs used by Art & Son for the
disembodied from the musical sound. I am still working my way through the discs, so can't say how much is afflicted. Never throughout an entire disc, and only certain short pieces. So far, the concertos, except the worn out parts of the Liszt, andCan you describe the "ringing"? Is it surface noise, is it
noise reduction? Noise reduction can have a whiny sound.
I far prefer surface noise to noise reduction artifacts.
To me it sounds like a metallic resonance. You might think your tweeter was damaged or a piece of metal vibrating. Such noises are not uncommon on distorting or worn piano recordings, but this is subtly different, higher pitched and rather
results, maybe less so with a treble rolloff. Surface noise is strong on some tracks.Anyway, I bought the set. I predict I'll describe it as "that does
sound like ringing but it's hard to describe".
Art & Son usually don't overdo the noise reduction.You can't go by names: Is Sony's Meyer or b-sharp good?
They did a terrible job on Richter's 1960 Columbia live
recordings. Is Ward Marston good? Sony placed his name
on the terrible engineering of the Complete Rachmaninoff set.
Is Keith Hardwick good? EMI placed his name on the 1990
Schnabel set. All three sets and engineering were severely
muffled by noise reduction.
We need a technical expert to weigh in.We don't need the type of experts who always apologizes for
intrusive engineering. We need the types who analyzes and
explains.
(Sorry for the TD derangement syndrome)
Lordy, Ward's Rachmaninoff set for RCA was thirty years ago.
Reports are RCA messed with it.
If you haven't heard his other work, including an ongoing Rach (one cd to go) for Naxos, you are missing a lot of the best.
The Sony crowd is mostly good. They have had a few misses but acceptable, and sometimes better, esp. with lacquer-based Columbias. Keith Hardwick died years, maybe a couple decades, ago. That Schnabel set is even older than the RCA. I don't think Keithhad anything to do with EMI's noise reduction during the cd era. When he retired and started working for Testament and Pearl, the surface noise reassuringly returned.
As for experts, I surely am not one, and if you gathered them all in a room, I doubt there would much agreement even about the weather.
On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 16:05:34 -0800, drh8h wrote:describes this in more detail. Anyone else hearing things?
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 3:00:42 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 17:32:59 -0800, drh8h wrote:
On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 4:04:35 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 05:40:51 -0800, drh8h wrote:
On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:56:43 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2022 12:48:03 -0800, Invocation wrote:
The ringing sound is caused by using poor quality 78s discs.I don't know what the listeners are saying by "ringing" sound. Are they just complaining about surface noise? But they say
it is a processing sound and 78 surface noise by itself doesn't sound like ringing to me.
This amazon review doesn't say enough, I can't tell what is being talked about, why is the Liszt Concerto unacceptable, Presto saying it is from 1936, not from the early 1920's:
This is an early response based on sampling discs 1, 2, & 6. Unfortunately there seems to be a fault in the production of these discs. I'm well aware that these are very old recordings and are bound to sound poor in comparison to Gieseking's later recordings, but the issue I'm having both on my computer and on my hi fi system is a digital ringing at roughly the freqency area
around and above piano middle C. I have made digital transfers of
old material myself and recall this issues as arising from some lack of synchronisation in the DAC. Unfortunately, I don't have the knowledge to diagnose the fault precisely. It is, however, a fault. I've checked other historical recordings on my systems and
my ears, just to be certain that I can isolate it. There is definitely an issue with this Warner edition. What should I do? Will Warner recall the discs and replace the faulty ones? Since I've sampled three discs so far and found the same fault on each one, I'm not optimistic about the rest.
UPDATE. I started to listen to disc 3, which has the Liszt First Piano Concerto. The sound of this is simply unacceptable for an issue by a major company. There is considerable distortion and that same digital ringing I noted on other discs. All of this indicates an unbelievably sloppy job by whoever was employed to do the transfers and a lack of checking further up the chain. I'm
surprised, because other Warner boxes, e.g. the Barbirolli, have been excellent. I'm returning the set to Amazon and hope that Warner will do the decent thing and bring all the discs in the Gieseking set up to their usual high standard.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:30:53 PM UTC-5, Pluted Pup wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2022 12:18:04 -0800, Invocation wrote:
Yes, it is pretty obvious. I am wondering if Warner will redo those problematic tracks.
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:29:07 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Ben Schragadove wrote:
Started sampling some of the discs in the new Gieseking boxed set on Warner, and on some of the 1930's tracks I'm wondering if there are issues with the remastering: an annoying ringing tone. There is a review on Amazon that
issue. I am not sure why they didn't use all of Seth's work. There is not problem with any of "his" tracks. Gieseking completists need to get the APR because it includes the Brunswick recordings. The Mozart "Turkish" excerpt on disc 6 is similarlyIs the ringing sound from Noise Reduction?
I just, finally, received this box yesterday, so haven't listened to much, but sampled some tracks and went through disc 1. Notably, some of the Homocords on that earliest disc are the Seth Winner transfers from the previous outstanding APR
toBrahms 1 were in dire condition in complete contrast to the rest of the set.
a
network of collectors and institutions and can track down the best copies from anywhere in the world. I mention this because it has happened before. In the otherwise outstanding Furtwängler complete set, the discs used by Art & Son for the
disembodied from the musical sound. I am still working my way through the discs, so can't say how much is afflicted. Never throughout an entire disc, and only certain short pieces. So far, the concertos, except the worn out parts of the Liszt, andCan you describe the "ringing"? Is it surface noise, is it
noise reduction? Noise reduction can have a whiny sound.
I far prefer surface noise to noise reduction artifacts.
To me it sounds like a metallic resonance. You might think your tweeter was damaged or a piece of metal vibrating. Such noises are not uncommon on distorting or worn piano recordings, but this is subtly different, higher pitched and rather
differentKeith had anything to do with EMI's noise reduction during the cd era. When he retired and started working for Testament and Pearl, the surface noise reassuringly returned.
results, maybe less so with a treble rolloff. Surface noise is strong on some tracks.Anyway, I bought the set. I predict I'll describe it as "that does
sound like ringing but it's hard to describe".
Art & Son usually don't overdo the noise reduction.You can't go by names: Is Sony's Meyer or b-sharp good?
They did a terrible job on Richter's 1960 Columbia live
recordings. Is Ward Marston good? Sony placed his name
on the terrible engineering of the Complete Rachmaninoff set.
Is Keith Hardwick good? EMI placed his name on the 1990
Schnabel set. All three sets and engineering were severely
muffled by noise reduction.
We need a technical expert to weigh in.We don't need the type of experts who always apologizes for
intrusive engineering. We need the types who analyzes and
explains.
(Sorry for the TD derangement syndrome)
Lordy, Ward's Rachmaninoff set for RCA was thirty years ago.30 years ago but remains the current version. It was reissued
in the early 2000's and removed information from the booklet,
not even including recording dates.
Reports are RCA messed with it.But they libeled Ward Marston by only listing him as
the engineer and not listing the mastering engineer who
did the severe noise reduction.
If you haven't heard his other work, including an ongoing Rach (one cd to go) for Naxos, you are missing a lot of the best.Are the Naxos discs Ward Marston's original masters before
RCA ruined them or are they a different master?
The Sony crowd is mostly good. They have had a few misses but acceptable, and sometimes better, esp. with lacquer-based Columbias. Keith Hardwick died years, maybe a couple decades, ago. That Schnabel set is even older than the RCA. I don't think
He was libeled by EMI, by only including his name as engineer
and not the name of the mastering engineer who applied the
"NoNoise/Cedar".
As for experts, I surely am not one, and if you gathered them all in a room, I doubt there would much agreement even about the weather.We need analysis and explanation from experts, the only
disagreement would be how to use the resulting information.
Mastering information is critical to the sound of a
recording.
….you pay your money and use your ears.
You might get answers from the “experts” if your posts were a bit less filled with wild conjecture
and assumptions. I will answer one question. Ward Marston’s Naxos Rachmaninoff (and anything
else for them) are newly transferred. Naxos has never altered what he has provided them. As far as
your other statements….you pay your money and use your ears. Then perhaps if you ask nicely, some
of the experts won’t be put off by your abrasive attitude and will chime in with more information.
As for experts, I surely am not one,
and if you gathered them all in a
room, I doubt there would much
agreement even about the weather.
On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 6:55:54 PM, vhorowitz wrote:into the digital domain. He did _not_ turn the dials at the mastering stage. That was done by RCA house engineers, who royally screwed the pooch, butchered—butchered!–the music using the CEDAR noise reduction system, and left Marston's sterling work
You might get answers from the “experts” if your posts were a bit less filled with wild conjectureNo, _your_ assumptions!! The Ward Marston Rachmaninov to which Pup refers is the RCA Gold Seal integrale of Rach's recordings for Victor. Previously issued on LPs in 1973, tt was spread over 10 CDs and Mr. Marston only _transferred_ the source material
and assumptions. I will answer one question. Ward Marston’s Naxos Rachmaninoff (and anything
else for them) are newly transferred. Naxos has never altered what he has provided them. As far as
your other statements….you pay your money and use your ears. Then perhaps if you ask nicely, some
of the experts won’t be put off by your abrasive attitude and will chime in with more information.
Thought you'd know that story. Guess I assumed incorrectly.
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 4:05:37 PM UTC-8, drh8h wrote:
As for experts, I surely am not one,
and if you gathered them all in a
room, I doubt there would much
agreement even about the weather.
If all the experts are gathered in one
room the only possible outcome is a
thermonuclear reaction.
dk
On Thu, 26 Jan 2023, Dan Koren wrote:
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 4:05:37 PM UTC-8, drh8h wrote:
As for experts, I surely am not one,
and if you gathered them all in a
room, I doubt there would much
agreement even about the weather.
If all the experts are gathered in one
room the only possible outcome is a
thermonuclear reaction.
Have you informed Lawrence Livermoer Lab of this?
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 3:48:47 PM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jan 2023, Dan Koren wrote:
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 4:05:37 PM UTC-8, drh8h wrote:
As for experts, I surely am not one,
and if you gathered them all in a
room, I doubt there would much
agreement even about the weather.
If all the experts are gathered in one
room the only possible outcome is a
thermonuclear reaction.
Have you informed Lawrence Livermoer Lab of this?
They've known this for a long time.
This is exactly what happened
when they assembled all the
experts at Los Alamos in
1945.
On 2023-01-28 20:11:29 +0000, Dan Koren said:
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 3:48:47 PM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jan 2023, Dan Koren wrote:
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 4:05:37 PM UTC-8, drh8h wrote:
As for experts, I surely am not one,
and if you gathered them all in a
room, I doubt there would much
agreement even about the weather.
If all the experts are gathered in one
room the only possible outcome is a
thermonuclear reaction.
Have you informed Lawrence Livermoer Lab of this?
They've known this for a long time.
This is exactly what happened
when they assembled all the
experts at Los Alamos in
1945.
Uh...the 1945 bombs was the original atomic (fission) bomb. A
thermonuclear reaction is a hydrogen (fusion) bomb. Lawrence Livermore
knows this, but don't tell anyone else (shhhh....)
-Owen
On Sunday, 29 January 2023 at 15:19:12 UTC+11, Owen Hartnett wrote:
On 2023-01-28 20:11:29 +0000, Dan Koren said:
On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 3:48:47 PM UTC-8, Al Eisner wrote:Uh...the 1945 bombs was the original atomic (fission) bomb. A
On Thu, 26 Jan 2023, Dan Koren wrote:
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 4:05:37 PM UTC-8, drh8h wrote:
As for experts, I surely am not one,
and if you gathered them all in a
room, I doubt there would much
agreement even about the weather.
If all the experts are gathered in one
room the only possible outcome is a
thermonuclear reaction.
Have you informed Lawrence Livermoer Lab of this?
They've known this for a long time.
This is exactly what happened
when they assembled all the
experts at Los Alamos in
1945.
thermonuclear reaction is a hydrogen (fusion) bomb. Lawrence Livermore
knows this, but don't tell anyone else (shhhh....)
-Owen
Little Boy was U235, whereas Fat Man was Plutonium. Trinity (U235) was actually more successful than both, and nobody got killed.
Yes, but Trinity, Little boy and Fat Man were fission bombs. Little
Boy was a gun style (shoot a block of uranium into more uranium), where
Fat Man used shaped charges to compress the plutonium. Thermonuclear,
where a fission bomb was used to ignite a nuclear fusion bomb (the
nuclear power the sun uses), and much higher megaton yields, came a few
years after the war.
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