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    From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to Todd M. McComb on Mon Nov 28 11:31:18 2022
    On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 19:15:33 UTC, Todd M. McComb wrote:
    In article <0094b29d-0989-45f7...@googlegroups.com>,
    HT <hvt...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
    I don't feel uncomfortable with my 'cynicism'. I'm uncomfortable with >humanity (as opposed to individual human beings).
    In my world, discomfort with humanity means wanting to limit the
    power of any particular individual (or company, role, etc.) --
    certainly not a shrug as to desire to acquire such power.

    In regard to action on climate change, I share Henk's cynicism with humanity and also the likelihood that some "beneficent" structure will act to force humanity into making changes to their use of fossil fuels and consumerism. The free market has failed
    spectacularly at curbing emissions and consumerism, while voters continue to elect known climate change violators like Trump and Bolsinaro. It's a tough time for democracy.

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 28 12:42:27 2022
    Op maandag 28 november 2022 om 20:15:33 UTC+1 schreef Todd M. McComb:
    In article <0094b29d-0989-45f7...@googlegroups.com>,
    HT <hvt...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
    I don't feel uncomfortable with my 'cynicism'. I'm uncomfortable with >humanity (as opposed to individual human beings).
    In my world, discomfort with humanity means wanting to limit the
    power of any particular individual (or company, role, etc.) --
    certainly not a shrug as to desire to acquire such power.

    I borrow my definition of power from a chairman of a political party who was also director of the radio and television station connected to that party (RIP): real power is the power to restrict the freedom of action of others.

    Henk

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  • From Todd M. McComb@21:1/5 to performanceandmedia@gmail.com on Mon Nov 28 21:05:34 2022
    In article <6735c070-c085-4094-8d75-b743259d9d62n@googlegroups.com>,
    Andy Evans <performanceandmedia@gmail.com> wrote:
    The free market has failed spectacularly at curbing emissions and >consumerism, ....

    The "free market" is a lie & a farce. It doesn't disperse power,
    it concentrates it.

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  • From Dan Koren@21:1/5 to Todd M. McComb on Mon Nov 28 13:29:14 2022
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:05:38 PM UTC-8, Todd M. McComb wrote:
    In article <6735c070-c085-4094...@googlegroups.com>,
    Andy Evans <performan...@gmail.com> wrote:

    The free market has failed spectacularly
    at curbing emissions and consumerism, ....

    The "free market" is a lie & a farce. It doesn't
    disperse power, it concentrates it.

    "Free markets" are pure fiction as long as
    only governments can print money. Crypto
    currencies were imagined to address this
    problem. Most likely they will go the way
    of Dutch tulips. Only Herman will make
    a profit while everyone else loses. ;-)

    dk

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