https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/27/jaron-lanier-tech-threat-humanity-twitter-social-media
dk
On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 10:37:30 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/27/jaron-lanier-tech-threat-humanity-twitter-social-media
dk
Fake news, lies, disinformation....... Everywhere in the USA, China and Russia for a start, and it goes on from there.
I once trained and worked briefly as a journalist, so I'm very choosy about where I get my news. Currently a mixture of Al Jazeera, Euronews and the BBC. I like to have a few different sources. No twitter ever.
On 11/28/2022 11:08 AM, Andy Evans wrote:
On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 10:37:30 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/27/jaron-lanier-tech-threat-humanity-twitter-social-media
dk
Fake news, lies, disinformation....... Everywhere in the USA, China and Russia for a start, and it goes on from there.
I once trained and worked briefly as a journalist, so I'm very choosy about where I get my news. Currently a mixture of Al Jazeera, Euronews and the BBC. I like to have a few different sources. No twitter ever.
So like most people, I suppose, you primarily listen to news sources that you know will share your biases. Big deal.
Incidentally, it is a mistake to think that the web is a cause
rather than a symptom. It faithfully mirrors our contemporary
Western condition.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/27/jaron-lanier-tech-threat-humanity-twitter-social-media
What will happen to all those
beautiful xxxpsichords?
dk
I don't know about Britain after the Brexit, but the media in the EU are doing no better than in the US, China and Russia. They promote what is politically correct here in the West.
Al Jazeera is certainly worth following.
Incidentally, it is a mistake to think that the web is a cause rather than a symptom. It faithfully mirrors our contemporary Western condition. Not the Web, but we are (self)destructive. >> Henk
In article <9fe55b0f-5372-4c32...@googlegroups.com>,
HT <hvt...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Incidentally, it is a mistake to think that the web is a causeA cause-symptom breakdown misses the point. It's the main vector
rather than a symptom. It faithfully mirrors our contemporary
Western condition.
for ending democracy, a system for concentrating power into fewer
& fewer hands, together with machine learning results to manipulate
& control a widening swath of voters. Talk radio was nothing.
On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 18:05:52 UTC, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
I don't know about Britain after the Brexit, but the media in the EU
are doing no better than in the US, China and Russia. They promote what
is politically correct here in the West.> Al Jazeera is certainly worth
following.>> Incidentally, it is a mistake to think that the web is a
cause rather than a symptom. It faithfully mirrors our contemporary
Western condition. Not the Web, but we are (self)destructive. >> Henk
Good points. As a psychologist specialising in performance and the
media I'm all too aware of spin. There is, as you say, a political
problem with countries that are members of NATO. My wife is Serbian and
had access to a lot more information during the Balkan war than that
which appeared on the BBC. I checked the BBC news against the Nato
press office releases and in many cases they were identical - the BBC
had just copied the wording like "Milosovic defiant" which started with
Jamie Shea early in the morning and was then on the lunchtime BBC news.
A clear NATO bias. So I don't trust the BBC completely, and it's not my primary source. That would be Al Jazeera and Euronews which agree most
of the time.
I can't speak for the WSJ since I don't follow US news. I have a friend
who is very politically aware and Spanish speaking and he accesses a
lot of news in Spanish, which is useful. Like most of us I try and
establish "trusted sources" which are as evidence-based as possible,
just as science is evidence based. Obviously you look for bias, as in
NATO above, and weight your analysis accordingly. News sources that
disagree with accepted science, for example, are not likely to be trustworthy.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/27/jaron-lanier-tech-threat-humanity-twitter-social-media
What will happen to all those
beautiful xxxpsichords?
dk
On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 10:37:30 UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/27/jaron-lanier-tech-threat-humanity-twitter-social-media
dk
Fake news, lies, disinformation....... Everywhere in the USA, China and Russia for a start, and it goes on from there.
I once trained and worked briefly as a journalist, so I'm very choosy about where I get my news. Currently a mixture of Al Jazeera, Euronews and the BBC. I like to have a few different sources. No twitter ever.
I have plenty of sympathy for citizens in Russia and China who can't get reliable news. A lot less for those who get their "information" from conservative talk radio in the USA. And with the likes of Trump on Twitter, you can add that platform to thelist of disinformation.
On 2022-11-28 18:44:26 +0000, Andy Evans said:
On Monday, 28 November 2022 at 18:05:52 UTC, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
I don't know about Britain after the Brexit, but the media in the EU
are doing no better than in the US, China and Russia. They promote
what is politically correct here in the West.> Al Jazeera is
certainly worth following.>> Incidentally, it is a mistake to think
that the web is a cause rather than a symptom. It faithfully mirrors
our contemporary Western condition. Not the Web, but we are
(self)destructive. >> Henk
Good points. As a psychologist specialising in performance and the
media I'm all too aware of spin. There is, as you say, a political
problem with countries that are members of NATO. My wife is Serbian
and had access to a lot more information during the Balkan war than
that which appeared on the BBC. I checked the BBC news against the
Nato press office releases and in many cases they were identical - the
BBC had just copied the wording like "Milosovic defiant" which started
with Jamie Shea early in the morning and was then on the lunchtime BBC
news. A clear NATO bias. So I don't trust the BBC completely, and it's
not my primary source. That would be Al Jazeera and Euronews which
agree most of the time.
I can't speak for the WSJ since I don't follow US news. I have a
friend who is very politically aware and Spanish speaking and he
accesses a lot of news in Spanish, which is useful. Like most of us I
try and establish "trusted sources" which are as evidence-based as
possible, just as science is evidence based. Obviously you look for
bias, as in NATO above, and weight your analysis accordingly. News
sources that disagree with accepted science, for example, are not
likely to be trustworthy.
Why do you think you need to trust any news source? Paragons of news
sources are caught in downright lies nearly everyday, yet they go on,
and people go on as if nothing happened. The NYT got pulitzer prizes
for reporting on the Trump-Russia connection which never existed.
I like my news biased, that way I know the motivation of the writer and
can filter (or not) depending on how many lies are in his/her report. I
don't believe in censorship -- at all. That is why I still use net
news, where anybody can post anything. I can tailor out the rants
myself, thank you, and I don't need an organization of fact-checkers,
who know even less than I do, to tell me what is truth and what is not.
In the USA, one of the paragons of news sources was Walter Cronkite.
After his reports turned negative, LBJ said "If I've lost Cronkite, I've
lost the country!" So Cronkite was passing along government
misinformation, helping an immoral Vietnam war keep going despite
ongoing unrest, but he's a hero because he changed his mind? He either
just realized he was wrong, or more likely, anticipated that the wind
was changing.
Why should anyone believe any source of news today? The public is being
so manipulated and turned to hate -- not by Trump but by the press. I
read Matt Taibbi and Glenn Greenwald, I don't necessarily "trust" them,
but they do report on censorship and things that people try to move me
away from. Here's a recent article from Taibbi to make my point: https://taibbi.substack.com/p/youtube-censors-reality-boosts-disinformation?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
-Owen
I'm happy you found the two years of
Twitter without Trump to be free of
disinformation.
Now if we can only get rid of talk radio,
there'd no longer be any more disagreement!
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